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SwitchForce

@toiletduck then you don't own 300+ games to know that 32GB is a limiting factor. 32GB is for saved or picture storage not your DLC or game updates and eshop games that's on the sd storage. People don't get it 32GB is your saved data location. That's not saved to sd card this is the part people keep forgetting.

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@Agriculture SSD that is a chip already built into the Switch aka storage of 32GB. Are you trying mislead readers. SSD doesn't have to look like a PC storage drive to be SSD. SSD are just chips no longer like moving drive aka HHD.

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toiletduck

@SwitchForce that's the fun part of topics like these: I get to name the features most important for me. I understand perfectly fine where my saves go and I still don't need larger internal memory for that. Why are you always so passive agressive to people with another opinion or other gaming habits than yours?

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Agriculture

SwitchForce wrote:

@Agriculture SSD that is a chip already built into the Switch aka storage of 32GB. Are you trying mislead readers. SSD doesn't have to look like a PC storage drive to be SSD. SSD are just chips no longer like moving drive aka HHD.

Agriculture wrote:

It absolutely needs to have a fast SSD built in, or it will never be able to have ports of the PS5 and Series X games, since they will be built from the ground up to make use of a fast SSD.

So I never said that the Switch doesn't have solid state storage, I only said the Switch Pro/Switch 2 needs solid state storage that is close to as fast as the Series X. It could also do the same as the PS5 does in that the slower storage will be able to run current gen (Switch) games.

That way, you could have an internal storage that is above 2 gb/s that is used for Switch Pro/Switch 2 games, then an SD-card slot where you can install original Switch games. The only problem then is that the internal storage needs to be up gradable like how you can switch out the hard drive in a PS4.

The maximum speed of SD-cards the Switch can use is 104MB/s, and that is far from what will be needed to run Xbox Series X and PS5 games at lower settings. Those games will be made from the ground up to expect there to be faster storage.

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SwitchForce

@Agriculture I'll say this humans can't perceive access speed difference on a SSD or MicroSD. You aren't a machine that can calc in nano speeds to see the difference. You only see fake Benchmarks which have nothing to do with constant everyday 24/7 real life operations day in and day out. But here we think we can tell nano speeds which is just ludicrous to think we can. All transfer devices are limited to electronics atom barrier - the smaller you pack the more congested they become that can't change since more and more data are packed in the lanes. That's what happened and then Heat become the enemy of electronics requiring more cooling and that comes at a Price. Also if you open your case before the warranty or extended warranty is up consider your system Voided. So it's not as simple as open and replace so let's make that clear to owners whom system are still in Warranty-Doing so will void any Warranty you had.

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Agriculture

SwitchForce wrote:

@Agriculture I'll say this humans can't perceive access speed difference on a SSD or MicroSD. You aren't a machine that can calc in nano speeds to see the difference. You only see fake Benchmarks which have nothing to do with constant everyday 24/7 real life operations day in and day out. But here we think we can tell nano speeds which is just ludicrous to think we can. All transfer devices are limited to electronics atom barrier - the smaller you pack the more congested they become that can't change since more and more data are packed in the lanes. That's what happened and then Heat become the enemy of electronics requiring more cooling and that comes at a Price. Also if you open your case before the warranty or extended warranty is up consider your system Voided. So it's not as simple as open and replace so let's make that clear to owners whom system are still in Warranty-Doing so will void any Warranty you had.

I don't think you understand anything. If Nintendo released a Switch 2 which had a fast SSD of 3 gb/s, then games you play from a cartridge would be installed on the console, much like how it works on Xbox Series X and Playstation 5. When you have the game installed, it can pull up assets in real time. If Nintendo delay the release of a Switch 2 until about 2022 it's possible they could even match the PS5 SSD in speed.

It has nothing to do with access speed, instead it has to do with throughput. For example if you tried to load a room with 5 gigabytes of assets on a PS5 it would barely be noticeable and you can fully hide the transition with some short animation, while on the Switch it would take a full minute to enter the room.

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HotGoomba

@Agriculture but would it use micro SD Cards or something similar? And how would that affect the size, because it would be pretty big if it had similar power to the ps5

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Agriculture

HotGoomba wrote:

@Agriculture but would it use micro SD Cards or something similar? And how would that affect the size, because it would be pretty big if it had similar power to the ps5

Much like how it works on PS5, you could probably use micro SD cards to play original Switch games. An nvme-ssd is physically larger than the current Switch internal storage, but they aren't enormous or anything. It's nothing like if you tried to put a 2.5" hard drive. Some of the smaller nvme-ssds are only 3 cm long and 2.2 cm wide.

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Agriculture wrote:

HotGoomba wrote:

@Agriculture but would it use micro SD Cards or something similar? And how would that affect the size, because it would be pretty big if it had similar power to the ps5

Much like how it works on PS5, you could probably use micro SD cards to play original Switch games. An nvme-ssd is physically larger than the current Switch internal storage, but they aren't enormous or anything. It's nothing like if you tried to put a 2.5" hard drive. Some of the smaller nvme-ssds are only 3 cm long and 2.2 cm wide.

Ok. But how would the overall power be? Compare it to current systems and next gen systems. And can it, you know, Switch?

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Magician

@HotGoomba

I doesn't matter what Nintendo decides to do. Whether we're talking about a mid-gen refresh or a successor, Nintendo has zero interest in chasing either PS5 or XSX, power wise.

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Agriculture

HotGoomba wrote:

Agriculture wrote:

HotGoomba wrote:

@Agriculture but would it use micro SD Cards or something similar? And how would that affect the size, because it would be pretty big if it had similar power to the ps5

Much like how it works on PS5, you could probably use micro SD cards to play original Switch games. An nvme-ssd is physically larger than the current Switch internal storage, but they aren't enormous or anything. It's nothing like if you tried to put a 2.5" hard drive. Some of the smaller nvme-ssds are only 3 cm long and 2.2 cm wide.

Ok. But how would the overall power be? Compare it to current systems and next gen systems. And can it, you know, Switch?

They're probably working with Nvidia to create a custom chip. As for it's "overall power" who knows? It needs to be able to run PS5 and Series X games at reduced settings. And of course it would be a hybrid console, Nintendo can't give that functionality up, because then the only reason to buy a Nintendo console would be for the exclusives.

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HotGoomba

@Magician I know. I'm just interested in what this guy's saying.

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Agriculture

Magician wrote:

@HotGoomba

I doesn't matter what Nintendo decides to do. Whether we're talking about a mid-gen refresh or a successor, Nintendo has zero interest in chasing either PS5 or XSX, power wise.

They have no interest in matching it, but they have an interest in making those games playable at lower settings. Look at what Microsoft did with the Series S, it's the same general hardware as the Series X except a little less graphical power and memory. That way the Series S will be able to play the same games but at a lower setting.

Playstation 5 games released from launch and onward, and Series X games released starting 2021 (when Microsoft says the Series X will start getting exclusive games) lots of those games will depend on there being a fast SSD. Sooner or later Nintendo will release a new Switch console with more power, and if it has something like 100 mb/s memory then it won't be able to run any PS5/Series S/X games at any settings.

I would rather see Nintendo wait a few years than to release a next gen Switch without a fast SSD.

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SwitchForce

The launch of xbox/psx isn't going to affect the Nintendo system or Gaming community. If so then the announcement of the xbox/psx would slow down slow or deter sales but the opposite is true. A Switch with 1080p(portable)/4K(Docked) just helps improve sales and the price of it will more or less help sales with it. As to the Access time no human can perceive that no matter how much one wants to argue this and has been shown time and time again Benchmarks are a fallacy that can be manipulated to help or deter another.
I would rather Nintendo do their own and not follow those whom have "0" experience in product innovation to decide timeline. I say 4 yrs is more then enough time for a new system considering computer system changes as soon as it's comes out so new becomes old in a blink of a eye.

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SwitchForce wrote:

As to the Access time no human can perceive that no matter how much one wants to argue this and has been shown time and time again Benchmarks are a fallacy that can be manipulated to help or deter another.

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We needed a Pro like yesterday. The Switch is so underpowered it’s scandalous.

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HotGoomba

@scoobdoo To be fair, Nintendo has been focusing on fun over power since the Wii, and only just recently with the Switch did msny people have problems with it.

Also, you're implying underpowered like it can't run anything. I mean sure, ports usually have to be downgraded, but games like Hellblade, Witcher 3, Ori, The Spyro and Crash Trilogy Collections, all look good on Switch. Not PS4 good, but for an "underpowered" portable system, I think that those ports' drawbacks, usually the graphics or frame rate (really only excluding Hellblade and The Ori Games, those look near perfect on Switch somehow) are worth it for most people, including myself.

I mean, Nintendo only needs to make a Pro model not because the current one is weaker than the PS4 and Xbox One, but because the PS5 and Xbox Series is releasing, especially with them going as low as $300.

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SwitchForce

HotGoomba wrote:

I mean, Nintendo only needs to make a Pro model not because the current one is weaker than the PS4 and Xbox One, but because the PS5 and Xbox Series is releasing, especially with them going as low as $300.

This is what people don't like and keep saying Nintendo shouldn't make a newer version because it will rain on their launch releases.

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