@Whitewatermoose How can you say it needs a certain price when ya don't know what the finalised thing is! We have had a flavour, but we still don't know what we are getting.
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And there's not much point going further back because the Gamecube was, adjusted for inflation, the cheapest home console ever launched. Which means that as a home console the Switch is the new cheapest home console ever. If this pricing is correct. The cheapest console ever? No. The cheapest console you can plug into your TV? Yes.
I just think it's interesting watching the reactions to the Switch as things go on. Nintendo has made a device that is between the two traditional console tiers. Which has bonuses and compromises for both. So as a home console it's not very powerful but as a portable it is. As a home console people think it needs all of the third party AAA games but as a portable people are just hyped for Skyrim and Splatoon. So of course with the price people who think of it as a portable are disappointed and people who think of it as a home console are not surprised at all.
@skywake Wow that is pretty insightful. Many thanks for posting that!
And you are correct about the perception of the platform. It puts Nintendo in a very interesting position as rather than catering for one market they are now catering for two. It makes it more likely to sell more due to its portability and its home console nature. I would be shocked and disappointed in the gaming community if this device does not sell well
Think $249 is a great price for the Switch. It's in that bracket that is affordable, but also gives Nintendo room for movement if the market reacts poorly to it or Sony/Microsoft do big price cuts in the fall. Could easily imagine that Nintendo have planned for a $199 holiday price if it doesn't reach their expectations
Let's not kid ourselves, the Switch needs to be $249. At least in NA. With news today of what to expect for oil prices, massive spike in health insurance cost now starting, and food prices unexpectedly going up.
People will have far less disposable income than what they envisioned. Especially with Gas $2.75 to $4.00/gallon across majority of United States. Some people's budgets could be far tighter than the 2016 budget was.
Switch needs to have a $249 option, without even consdering that PS4 slim and Xbone Slim may hit $229 by E3 and even $199 by holiday 2017.
Why do you think the slim will be a hundred bucks cheaper in a year? I don't think they will lower the msrp that much, unless the scorpio is very competitively priced.
@zitpig, a US gallon is 3.8, not 4.5. For some reason they need their own gallon...
Just to diverge away from the price for a second, I just feel the need to see peoples' thoughts here about something I've noticed elsewhere. Basically in regards to the launch lineup (yay again!) we know we are getting Wii U ports/remasters/whatever, and that's all well-and-good because they're great games, but I'm really fascinated by the reception that the two other big games are getting- those being Mario Switch we saw in the trailer and Zelda BoTW. And yes Zelda is a Wii U game as well and there's been rumours that the Mario game was at one stage too but that's beside the point.
Now what surprises me about these games is how they are being written off already, brushed aside by a few people who are incredibly hard to please, saying things like "well OK there will be Zelda, 3D Mario, Wii U ports, Rabbids whatever and maybe Pikmin 4 too but what else will there be?" and I find that to be... well I mentioned it already.
Just for the people planning to buy this system at launch, or at least in the launch window which will be say by E3 time, how many people at this stage plan to do so but get neither Zelda or Mario? And if so why? BoTW is the first mainline 3D Zelda in well over 5 years, improved in the way fans wanted coming off of the terrible, linear, hand-holds Skyward Sword. 3D Mario is rumoured to be similar, a return to 64 from after the INSULTING 2.5 D 3D World, which again will make it something not seen for years and years and years. But some are dismissing the both of them already as if they were both expected all along and Nintendo systems always launch with both of those big hitters. Which of course is ludicrous.
So can anyone here share some perspective if they are one such person? What would be more exciting from Nintendo for you than these 2? Animal Crossing? Another bleep Donkey Kong? Fire Emblem? I'm genuinely curious.
Though of course I'm suspecting it's just the usual Metroid fan base getting themselves into a frenzy again...
Just to diverge away from the price for a second, I just feel the need to see peoples' thoughts here about something I've noticed elsewhere. Basically in regards to the launch lineup (yay again!) we know we are getting Wii U ports/remasters/whatever, and that's all well-and-good because they're great games, but I'm really fascinated by the reception that the two other big games are getting- those being Mario Switch we saw in the trailer and Zelda BoTW. And yes Zelda is a Wii U game as well and there's been rumours that the Mario game was at one stage too but that's beside the point.
Now what surprises me about these games is how they are being written off already, brushed aside by a few people who are incredibly hard to please, saying things like "well OK there will be Zelda, 3D Mario, Wii U ports, Rabbids whatever and maybe Pikmin 4 too but what else will there be?" and I find that to be... well I mentioned it already.
Just for the people planning to buy this system at launch, or at least in the launch window which will be say by E3 time, how many people at this stage plan to do so but get neither Zelda or Mario? And if so why? BoTW is the first mainline 3D Zelda in well over 5 years, improved in the way fans wanted coming off of the terrible, linear, hand-holds Skyward Sword. 3D Mario is rumoured to be similar, a return to 64 from after the INSULTING 2.5 D 3D World, which again will make it something not seen for years and years and years. But some are dismissing the both of them already as if they were both expected all along and Nintendo systems always launch with both of those big hitters. Which of course is ludicrous.
So can anyone here share some perspective if they are one such person? What would be more exciting from Nintendo for you than these 2? Animal Crossing? Another bleep Donkey Kong? Fire Emblem? I'm genuinely curious.
Though of course I'm suspecting it's just the usual Metroid fan base getting themselves into a frenzy again...
My guess is those people that say they are disappointed by Mario + Zelda in the launch period, are not interested at all in Nintendo or their franchises and are only trying to talk down the switch.
Do you think they would have said the same thing if it was infamous + Uncharted? Or Halo + Gears of war?
Or they're just wondering what else there will be at launch, cause you know, the average launch has more than five games available day one. Even the Wii U had around thirty. And that will hopefully be revealed this Friday. Because apart from Skyrim and some Ubisoft rumours, we don't really know what the other companies are cooking up for Nintendo.
@Shinion Well just 1st party games won't cut it, you need 3rd party games of which so far I think only Just Dance 2017 has been confirmed for launch (?)
@Shinion Sorry for going a bit off-topic but when it comes to game design, I can be a bit stubborn...
I wouldn't call Super Mario 3D World insulting. It might not be something many people wanted but it's still a great game. It's not 2.5D either. It's still very much a 3D game even if the player doesn't have full camera control. 2.5D is something like in DKC: Tropical Freeze where the assets are 3D models but the player is limited to move in a 2D plane.
I think they wanted to make a 4 player 3D game and they didn't want to make it split-screen since that restricts the viewable area and makes the players feel disconnected since one can go to the end of the level while someone is still trying to find all secrets. They decided to go with one camera trying to keep everyone close to one another.
I should've been clearer, the conversations I was on about referred specifically to Nintendo's output, as far as what Nintendo could do to convince people to buy one at launch.
It'll be interesting to see if there's a tangible and noticeable decline in interest for those two series though. I'd imagine both the 3D Mario and Zelda games have to at a minimum exceed the sales of their predecessors, being 3D World (IIRC around 5 million) and Skyward Sword (around 3-4 million) even if Nintendo said that BoTW only needs to sell 2 million to be profitable, their targets should be higher than that.
But yeah there's nothing wrong with expecting more than 'just' Mario and Zelda at launch if you're tired of those series but aside from thinking it would be at all logical for Nintendo to fund a Metroid MMO with the budget of Destiny I fail to see what more they could've done to impact the mass market than what rumours are pointing towards.
I don't agree with the sentiment but to play devil's advocate for a second. The Wii U was a platform that got its fair share of Mario and Zelda. It might not have been the Mario and Zeldas people wanted but it had them. New SMB, 3D World, WWHD, TPHD, Mario Maker and BotW on the way. So when some people say "Mario & Zelda isn't enough"? Well people on this forum might think that sounds crazy. But most of us also brought a Wii U. Perhaps we're the crazy ones for thinking Zelda and Mario is all you need.
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This isn't really the place to ask that kind of question: your audience, by and large, is people who have been playing Nintendo consoles nearly religiously for most of their lives. Chances are, you'll find a higher percentage of people in this forum who are "burned out" on certain Nintendo franchises than you would in the general population.
For example, I didn't game on a Nintendo system for about 10 years during high school/college/after, but came back for the Wii U. So, to me, games like NSMBU felt incredibly fresh and amazing because I'd never played the dozens of Mario games that had been released on the GameCube, Wii, GBA, DS, whatever.
Same thing can apply here. Somebody further up this page already said they'd played "lots" of Zelda games this year/recently. That's because you're mostly yelling into an echo chamber here of people who play Nintendo games. But if you take your question to a different site where a huge swath of those people may NEVER have even owned a Nintendo console, you're not going to get that kind of answer: You're going to get, "HECK YEA I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO ZELDA AND THAT'S ALL I NEED" (possibly).
That being said, if the Switch were to launch with ONLY BotW, I would be a happy man. lol
@Tsurii Oh definitely, those people come in all shapes and sizes it seems, they're sooooo unpredictable with their prediction, insights and goofs too. But even among Nintendo fans I was just curious if people expected more than return to from Mario and Zelda in the launch window, in terms of creating a positive vibe that could influence the mass market.
Because there will be an Animal Crossing eventually, a Fire Emblem eventually, Donkey Kong, new Monolith Soft, Retro and Next Level Games projects too. They're game development studios paid to make games now for one platform only and they will release, eventually. But as far as the biggest Nintendo series are concerned I don't see a repeat of the Wii U or even 3DS's first years at all. Puts it into perspective that even the 3DS's best selling game in its launch window (first 6 months) was Ocarina of Time 3D, a remake of a very old game.
@Shinion I think the issue with Nintendo franchises is that they do 'fun' very well, but there's not a lot of 'cool' in there. Splatoon kinda entered the 'cool' zone, but probably only for the younger end of the market and, of course, it didn't come for 3 years after the Wii U launched.
The question for the 12th/13th showing is: what cool launch games are gonna get the 14-25 year olds off their seats and in line to buy a Switch?
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@Shinion I think the issue with Nintendo franchises is that they do 'fun' very well, but there's not a lot of 'cool' in there. Splatoon kinda entered the 'cool' zone, but probably only for the younger end of the market and, of course, it didn't come for 3 years after the Wii U launched.
The question for the 12th/13th showing is: what cool launch games are gonna get the 14-25 year olds off their seats and in line to buy a Switch?
GC has a good point here. It is easy for us to go "Xenoblade, Mario Kart, Splatoon" and get hyped as hell. Even if we are 14-25, we are Nintendian's at heart and were born to love these games. But I know many a gamer who wants the Grand Theft Auto, the Dark Souls. Even Rocket League.
I would say for many they would be satisfied not necessarily "cool" games at launch but cool games within the first year/6 months/soon. If Persona 5 was confirmed (although now dead and buried), I would be barging my way through the queue to get one.
I think it is not easy to say which are the cool games. We all have our different opinion. All we can say is that the more commonly popular games should be there. Heck if Overwatch could work I would say throw that on there as that is a hot item in 2016.
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