Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@NeonPizza
I think we're derailing the thread a bit but skimming over your post. A few things. Firstly VR does not and will never replace the home console, portable or PC "forms" of gaming. It can't replicate the local multiplayer experience of Mario Kart/Smash and it will never be as good as the "cinema" experience you can get from a console connected to a decent screen + surround. You're not taking VR on the bus, plane or to a park and so on. Also it's not going to replace the things PCs are good at like competitive shooters and strategy games

But I can definitely see a future hybrid console taking over all those use cases

On the other side of the equation? VR is most definitely a unique experience and something that can't really be replicated without a dedicated VR headset. You can't just drop a tablet screen into a caddy with lenses and call it a day, that relationship between the screen and the lenses is kinda important. Also the resolution and refresh rate requirements for VR are absurd when compared to a portable. And that's before you get into the games needing to be entirely different and the controllers needing to be entirely different

I think we eventually get to the point where portables cannibalise most of the market. But I don't think they'll be able to really compete with proper VR for VR. And similarly I think VR is an important niche that will become a larger part of gaming as it continues to mature. But I don't think it comes even remotely close to replacing any of the traditional gaming forms, which is why it will remain a niche

@NeonPizza
I'll just make this simple point. Even if VR gets to the point where it's becomes like putting on a pair of large sunglasses. And even if (I'd argue when) mobile hardware advances to the point where it's all rendered on device. Basically we're talking end-game VR. Even at that point.... I don't want to close off all my senses on the bus firing up a bit of Smash, I don't really want to replace a full home theatre surround setup with a set of headphones and I don't really want to strap a joycon to the sides of a pair of sunglasses

VR has a place, is novel and will become a larger part of the gaming landscape. But it will always be a niche product. VR is like the Tablet PC of gaming in that sense. For the specific use cases where it works? It works. But for most other things there are other devices that do the task better. With tablet PCs that's Laptops on one side and smartphones on the other. For VR it's 5-10" portable screens at one end and large TVs with proper surround setups at the other. That's just how it is

.... and don't pretend I'm dismissing VR here, I'm not. I've probably put more hours into games on my Quest 2 than I have on any other gaming device this year

@EaglyTheKawaiiShika yeah, let hope TGA 2022 have good anouncement this time, @,Skywake and @Neonpizza, the future of the game industry will be between hybrid consoles such as Nintendo Switch/SteamDeck and VR/AR, most like consoles with the hybrid concept of Nintendo Switch,since VR/AR is still expensive and limited to a specific public,hybrid consoles all gamers can enjoy it, tradicional home console gamers or gamers that love to play more handheld consoles, Nintendo Switch was a stroke of genius for Nintendo/game industry in general, after Nintendo Switch, i can't return to a tradicional home console, is very convinent be able to play console like games like Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild or Bayonetta 3 in the confort of your living room/bedroom or take your Nintendo Switch to play your games in your country house/beach house, Switch allow us gamers a liberty to choose a way how to play your games(we no longer have to play your games on TV only,you can can play your games whenever you like, that the liberty i love on Switch and i hope Nintendo continue with this path).

@Giancarlothomaz I know I was saying it tongue in cheek when posting it. He’s now said it’s gonna be a shorter show which suggests either less on the floor award’s being announced or they couldn’t attract enough adverts of games or whatever as before. Either way I expect little of anything worthwhile to come from it

@FragRed I saw it being reported on that the Game Awards this year is significantly shorter with fewer major game announcements. Probably a case that many new announcements by Microsoft or Sony could be used as fuel against their respective arguments regarding the Activision acquisition so I'd imagine the reveals from both will be:

Microsoft

• Game Pass ads
• Goldeneye shadow drop
• Maybe a Redfall trailer

Sony

• FFXVI info
• Show ends with Death Stranding 2 given the connection between Geoff and Kojima
• PSVR2 ads
• PC ports of existing games

@Grumblevolcano Oh yeah I never thought about that, but that whole thing between the two companies really is going crazy. That’s a reasonable list to what we can expect from both sides. And the rest will be filled with mobile games, whatever Ubisoft are going to crap out and just generic games in general.

@FragRed i think the reason we gonna see might fewer anouncement at TGA, is because Microsoft is currently under market regulation to aprove it buyout of Activision Blizzard, anything they anounce or Sony could be used to as a fuel to aprove or decline the buyout of Activision Blizzard by Microsoft, i saw at VGC that the Federal Trade Commision(FTC) will likely file a lawsuit to block Microsoft buyout of Activision Blizzard and they will go to the court if necessary to apeal agaist FTC decision.

@Giancarlothomaz Yeah, @Grumblevolcano said the same thing. I forgot that drama was still going on. It’s kinda become noise to me now. I fully expect what is shown to be generic mobile games, some crap by Ubisoft etc. Nintendo definitely won’t show up unless so it’ll be a pointless show to many.

"It's like a 2 in 1 console"

Actually, it's like a 3 in 1 console. People always forget the tabletop mode, but I use it all the time, and it's a distinctly different experience than either handheld mode or docked.

Being able to take a handheld, prop it up on an infinitely adjustable kickstand, detach controllers from the side and play it as if it's a tiny portable home console wherever you go... that's the cherry on top. That's what really makes Switch special to me. Handheld and docked is great, and I use both all the time, but that 3rd mode of play really elevates it to become something more.

Yeah rumors suggest that we'll get Street Fighter 6, FFXVI, Diablo IV, and Star Wars Jedi Survivor news there, plus I believe Tekken 8 was already announced to be there. Just those games plus something from Kojima and a Goldeneye shadow drop would make it the most interesting show in years hilariously enough.

@Grumblevolcano That whole ordeal makes me really curious to see what happens to Microsoft's 1st party lineup for next year. As it stands they have Forza, Minecraft Legends, Redfall, and Starfield, plus Xbox releases of AoE II:DE, AoE IV, and Ghostwire Tokyo lined up.

That's their best lineup in a long time, but I could see it hurting their arguments regarding the Activision acquisition. I can see them delaying some of those in order to spread the lineup out as thinly as possible. Starfield to 2024 type delays.

@IceClimbers I think Starfield and Forza Motorsport will be most likely to be delayed. Microsoft has a lot to prove with Starfield given Bethesda has an infamous reputation for really buggy games at launch and Microsoft says they've learned from Halo Infinite so if that's true they'll delay again if need be. Forza Motorsport I feel is a case of timing, Forza Horizon 5 Expansion 2 hasn't even been announced yet and Motorsport always releases a fair amount of time after the Horizon expansions have released.

So my guess for the lineup would be something like:

• January - AoE 2 Definitive Edition
• March - Ghostwire Tokyo
• April - Minecraft Legends
• May - Redfall
• August - AoE 4
• September - Hellblade 2
• October - Forza Motorsport
• November - Starfield, Halo Battle Royale

With the 2nd half of the year not mentioned at all outside of Forza Motorsport and Starfield delays until E3 which is when Microsoft expects the deal to close.

I feel like I have constant analysis paralysis on Switch. Too many great games on my console to the point I never play the vast majority beyond a small period after release.

Like, I beat Xenoblade 3, Nier Automata and Bayonetta 3 these past few months. Great. But I have so much in backlog with Mario Rabbids Sparks of Hope, Persona 5 Royal, Triangle Strategy, 13 Sentinels, Fire Emblem Warriors Three Hopes, still playing Monster Hunter Rise Sunbreak, got Dragon Quest Treasures and Final Fantasy VII Crisis Core out this week, and hundreds of other games I'll never actually get back to.

Sometimes I wanna play something different to spice things up, and can never decide what to play. It's a problem.

I'm actually starting to look forward to retirement (in 35 years time) so I can have more time.

And yet... sometimes I feel like it's never enough. No matter how many great games release I can't keep up with, I always want more, more, more. It's like, being addicted to the adrenaline rush of the announcement and anticipation of coming titles more so than the rush from actually playing them. Idk, it's weird.

@EaglyTheKawaiiShika
Ya, why is that?

5 years worth of great games to play, and yet a single upcoming game seems more hype than any of them, despite the fact it's probably not the best game of the lot.

And then once it releases and the hype fades, it becomes just like all the rest. Just another game lost in backlog. While the next new shiny upcoming release steals all the attention.

I recognize this is illogical. I see it with my own eyes. I don't want to allow my emotions to trump my rational judgement... and yet it continues to do so.

@JaxonH It's about Sunbreak, I have the same situation with MK8 Deluxe. The game just keeps giving and in regular intervals such that you get distracted from other games.

If the Booster Course Pass didn't exist I'd likely have beaten MH Rise + Sunbreak (the story content), Triangle Strategy, Blue Lions route of Three Hopes, Live a Live, route B of Nier Automata, FFVII and be a decent way through Persona 5 Royal.

@JaxonH Personally, I have a few games that I go back to all of the time and I collect some modern stuff. I'm usually playing a retro fps, Breath of the Wild, and something new. I collect smaller releases because I love carts. I don't get too hyped about things I'm not going to touch...but I do buy certain games multiple times, especially if they get a late physical release.

@JaxonH
Usually I have only two or three extra games. When it is down to one I buy the next games. Most games I play, I also beat them. There is really no need to burden yourself so much. Feeling a little bit greedy, who can really blame you for that. So many great games worth playing nowadays.

I am sure with enough time and practice you will learn to put your love and attention in one game, instead of looking left and right, if you really want to.

@LikelySatan
Problem for me is, I never know what I'm going to stick with until after playing it a bit. It's hard to predict which games will dig their meat hooks in. Sometimes games I thought I'd play through, I don't, and games I didn't think I'd play through, I do.

@Grumblevolcano
Ya, MH Rise Sunbreak is the game that never ends. Over 800 hrs logged now, MR85, and still going strong. The steady cadence of unlocks keeps you motivated- Furious Rajang at MR50, Valstrax at MR70, Scorned Magnamalo at MR100, Risen Kushala Daora at MR120, Risen Teostra at MR140, and 2 more title updates of monsters that will likely have unlocks at MR160, MR180 and MR200. And then the anomoly quests...

I feel like this is a game I'll play the rest of the generation, and maybe well into next gen, probably lasting until we get another MH on Switch 2.

And ya, having that forever game does steal time from others. I was hard-core into Dragon Quest in the 3DS era. Even modded my 3DS and installed Terry's Wonderland 3D. Was so excited to play that game. And now we have DQ Treasures dropping Friday, but who has time to start another game?! Especially with Final Fantasy the week after. And then next year doesn't relent. Fire Emblem Engage and Persona 4 Golden mid January, both of which are 100 yr hour games (they're long, but not that long lol)

And all I can think about is Final Fantasy, Fire Emblem, Pikmin 4, Zelda Tears of the Kingdom, Kirby, Octopath Traveler II, etc. The hype of all these games coming. Switch did something to me. Even before, it was always exciting thinking of upcoming games. But there's something about upcoming hybrid versions of games that really does a number on me. It feels like the most exciting thing in the world for some reason. Even 6 years going, that honeymoon period never really wore off for me. In fact, it was only strengthened when the OLED released. And that kind of exacerbates the issue. It's exciting seeing games release on Switch.

@Jhena
That seems like a good system to avoid the analysis paralysis and keep focused on what you're playing.

I think the issue is, it constantly feels like I'm missing out if I don't buy the games I'm interested in. So I do. But of course, time is a real limiting factor, so many end up never being played.

It's so hard to not feel excited for upcoming games, even though I know once I have them, they won't seem as appealing (of course there's some exceptions to this- Fire Emblem Engage is day one- I'm a diehard FE fan, Persona 4 Golden is one of my all time fave JRPGs, so even if I'm not playing day one I still want it day one, etc).

It feels like... it feels like for many games, if not most, the payoff of getting them is never as fulfilling as you'd expect after all the hype of waiting for them.

@JaxonH
"Sometimes I wanna play something different to spice things up, and can never decide what to play. It's a problem."

Just ask me and I will be a volunteer to give you some suggestions for never before played before games. 😃
And of course my gaming suggestions will be very very different. 😁

Some of my suggestions:
Epic Chef
Dodgeball Academia
Youtubers Life 2
Kitaria Fables
Moving Out
Doraemon Story of Seasons
Untitled Goose Game
Cooking Mama Cookstar
Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town
Evoland Legendary Edition

@EaglyTheKawaiiShika I own all the Yakuza games, yet not played any yet along with a continuous growing back log of games I keep buying in sales.

@EaglyTheKawaiiShika It's not on the Switch though.