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gcunit

Been off for a few days, so pardon me if this has been raised already...

... but has it been confirmed that Switch can't stream to the dock?

If Switch can stream to the dock, then 2-screen play would very much still be an option (though not a portable option).

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erv

I'm actually looking forward to what they have to say and the thought process behind that.

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Octane

@fascinatura As I said, it's not all about games, though you're dismissing PS4 by saying it didn't get any exclusives apart from NMS this year and by saying that the Xbox One has been churning out exclusives left and right. That's far from true actually. First of all, it's easy to dismiss the Wii U, cause it was pretty expensive, it actually didn't get the games (third party games I mean) and I don't think that many people consider Nintendo titles as system sellers anymore. Look at the most popular franchises; COD, GTA and FIFA. Then there's Fallout, Madden, NBA 2K, etc. And other popular games like Overwatch, Destiny and Star Wars Battlefront. The Wii U got none of that. It got a port of Assassin's Creed 3 & 4, and a late port of Watch_Dogs. When you're missing out on all these popular games, you're missing out on sales as well. Besides, the marketing for Wii U has been piss-poor as well. In hindsight, it's easy to see why it wasn't very popular in the end.

Now, going back to the exclusives. I think you completely forgot about Uncharted 4, Ratchet & Clank and Street Fighter V this year. Their big exclusives are more varied too, from adventure games to puzzle games, narrative driven games and shooters. At least, that's the general message everyone is perceiving. Just a quick Wiki search reveals that the PS4 has 180 exclusive games listed (includes upcoming games, timed and console exclusives). Meanwhile the Xbox One has 50 games listed. That's probably due to the fact that the PS4 is the better selling console at the moment. How did that happen? Well, that's the result if you try to include a $100 mandatory peripheral in your launch bundle that nobody cares about. The initial reveal was pretty bad for Xbox One. Once they lowered the price and dropper the Kinect, the price was equal, but the damage was already done. Sony offered a better deal at launch, got the higher install base and will most likely get the better deals from now on. Even games like Rise of the Tomb Raider made its way onto the PS4. It completely flopped on Xbox One. I don't even want to know how much Microsoft paid for that exclusive deal, and unfortunately it didn't even pay off in the end.

Console launches are more important than some people seem to think; screw them up and you'll have a hard time recovering. The console that offers the best price, the most popular games and has the best marketing will often trump the the competition.

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MumboJumbo

In the next 2 weeks, several major Japanese companies will be posting their Q2 Earnings. I wonder if they are going to mention the Switch at all during their results briefings.

10/27 - Capcom Q2 Earnings
10/27 - Koei Tecmo Q2 Earnings
10/28 - Capcom Q2 Briefing
10/28 - Koei Tecmo Q2 Briefing
10/28 - Konami Q2 Earnings / Q2 Briefing
11/02 - Sega Sammy Q2 Earnings / Q2 Briefing
11/08 - Square Enix Q2 Earnings / Q2 Briefing
11/08 - Bandai Namco Q2 Earnings / Q2 Briefing

The Monster Hunter Direct will occur shortly after Capcom's earnings release, but Nintendo has specifically stated that it's not Switch related.

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Azooooz

Alright, I'll give you my impressions about the Switch. Note: The following is based on what appeared in the video, and my opinions, so don't take my words for it:

First, I've seen the trailer so many times, because I was amazed by the concept, where you play your game at home, and continue on-the-go without any boundaries or interruptions. The problem is the "on-the-go" part, If Nintendo did this part right by improving the battery life of the Switch console, that would be a money-maker for them, as this was the part why many were impressed by the portability of this console. But of course, Nintendo said that Switch is "Home console first before it's portable", so I don't think that the battery life would be 5-7 hours long.

Second, including an Nvidia GPU was a brilliant idea because of the recent success of its latest GPU line-up. However, unless we hear the full specs of the custom Tegra processor, we can't really determine if it's going to be as powerful as the other consoles, and since it's Nintendo we're talking about, we should keep our expectation for "Switch is as powerful as XBone or PS4" very low for now.

Next, and the most important one is games, and this is why Switch exists. The Wii U had a rough time having 3rd party AAA games because of the time/cost of the Wii U game development, and many well-known developers have left the Wii U's ship after months of the launch for that reason, and also how difficult it is to port a game to Wii U. The good news is with Nvidia's new APIs for Nintendo Switch, game developing will be less difficult, and we can expect more games to come if the Nintendo Switch is a huge success. The choice of using cartridges is a great choice because not only will this reduce the cost of the Switch, but this will make game portability much easier. We are in the era where DVDs are slowly dying, and most of the users around the world would prefer using compact memory such as USB flash or hard-drive to put the media in.

Finally, accessibility. From the trailer, we saw the control variations of the Switch, from using the Joy-Cons for a full single player experience to sharing the Joy-cons with your friends to use the Switch Pro controller for traditional gaming, And this was the part why the Wii U was enjoyable. More controller options means better gameplay experience, so hats off to Nintendo for that.

And I hope this didn't take you a lot of time...until then, have a nice day.

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Luna_110

@Azooooz
It is an interesting piece, and I share many of your opinions specially the third and fourth points.

I'm still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt with the Switch's battery, though, based on my experience with the Pro Controller's battery. I don't know what it uses, but it is godly. I think I have charged it.... three or four times in two years?
The Gamepad's battery was a disaster, I won't disagree in that, and there are rumors of bad battery life, but maybe they find a way to fix that before launch. Who knows.

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TuVictus

With the news that the Switch won't be sold at a loss, but that they're still listening to what customers expect, I am going to predict $350.

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Octane

@Operative I think they already said that a while ago, didn't they? Most people expect $250-$300 from what I've read, apart from the people that are willing to pay $400+ as long as its a Nintendo system. Still sticking with my original prediction of $299. Can't see it being more expensive than that. Wouldn't even be surprised if it ended up being $250.

Octane

TuVictus

Unless they got a ridiculously absolutely amazing deal on those Tegra's which are at the very least as powerful as a Wii U, I doubt it'll be below $300. But we'll see once we get final specs

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Octane

@Operative The Nvidia Shield Tablet was $199 when it launched three years ago. Assuming this uses the Tegra X2, and Nintendo got a good deal, $299 is definitely possible. $249 might be a stretch, but we don't know. It really depends on how much tech is in the other parts of the system. I don't think it includes a camera, not sure if motion controls are a thing. Those aren't expensive parts, but it may make a difference of a couple of tenners in the end.

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Haruki_NLI

@Octane I can see them getting a good deal. From what Nvidia has said, it's all custom, just based around Tegra, which means efficiency overall. Nvidia tech is something third parties will know ("The Way Its Meant To Be Played" and all that), and the nature of pure custom tech, as worked on by both parties, means that both sides will have found an optimal price/power/energy/production cost balance. It wont need any extra fluff from Tegra like automation, just gaming.

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skywake

Octane wrote:

The Nvidia Shield Tablet was $199 when it launched three years ago. Assuming this uses the Tegra X2, and Nintendo got a good deal, $299 is definitely possible. $249 might be a stretch, but we don't know. It really depends on how much tech is in the other parts of the system.

It actually launched in two SKUs. One with 16GB and WiFi for $299US and the other with 32GB of storage and 4G for $399. And in terms of raw performance it was basically on par with the Wii U. They actually marketed it as being a tablet that was more powerful than the 360/PS3. So yeah, 3 years ago a tablet as powerful as the Wii U was definitely a thing.

But things have progressed in three years. Three years on? They can probably fit 32-64GB in it without going above $299. They can probably at least double that performance. You'd expect more RAM than the 2GB that was in the Shield Tablet. Those things they will be able to do before they even consider the things that they won't need

I don't think it'll have 4G, I don't think it'll have a full 1080p display. We know it won't have an 8" display because we've seen it in the trailers and it's not that big. It probably won't have the dual 5MP cameras. Those things not being included could reduce costs so that they can include the dock, joycons and whatever else is in the box. Also a potential for a tidy margin.

So I think $249-299 with 32GB of storage, 4GB of RAM, the Joycons and somewhere between the Wii U and XBOne. Closer to the XBOne with maybe a bit more storage and a better battery if the cost leans more on the higher end. More of an overclocked portable Wii U with effectively BYO storage if it's super cheap. /2c

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fascinatura

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Octane

@skywake You're right, got it mixed up with the current price. But yeah, doesn't look like it'll have cameras or anything like that. I expect the dock to be fairly simple; power brick and additional cooling. The Joy-Con will have their own batteries, but I don't think they'll require much at all. $299 is definitely possible, and I dont think many are willing to pay a lot more for it.

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erv

The perception Nintendo needs to feed is that the games are pure console quality, yet you can bring them with you.

That's the switch.

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Grumblevolcano

@fascinatura MK8 was confirmed today to have reached the 8 million mark. Pretty impressive attach rate though it further displays the point that Mario Kart must be a Switch launch title.

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TOUGHDUDE94

@Monkey_Balls That looks like Micro USB type c

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Nicolai

Luna_110 wrote:

@Azooooz
I'm still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt with the Switch's battery, though, based on my experience with the Pro Controller's battery. I don't know what it uses, but it is godly. I think I have charged it.... three or four times in two years?
The Gamepad's battery was a disaster, I won't disagree in that, and there are rumors of bad battery life, but maybe they find a way to fix that before launch. Who knows.

The reason the Wii U Pro Controller's battery life is impressive isn't because of battery technology, but because it barely uses any power. It's not really fair to compare it to the Gamepad because the Pro Controller had no gyroscope, giant touch screen, or video input. All it has are buttons, a tiny light, and possibly rumble.

The Switch, on top of that, is going to be pushing out home console performance in addition to these things, in addition to a screen that may or may not be a touch screen, and possibly a gyroscope. Replace the video receiver with a remote connection to the joy-cons. Its gonna guzzle up a lot of power, so hopefully they've got some kind of solution.

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fascinatura

Mario Kart at launch or at least in the first year I feel is pretty important. They might be able to get away with revealing a future MK next year and releasing it in 2018 as long as there are other appealing games for the system during this time.

I feel that MINECRAFT is something they need to make sure comes to the Switch, either . I think it's likely to happen now that Mojang and Nintendo have a relationship after finally getting the game on the U. It's just one of those games that keeps on selling. Minecraft is the top selling VITA game. And if there is significant adoption of the Switch by mobile gamers, I could totally see them buying the full version of Minecraft on the Switch to play on the go.

I wish Nintendo would branch out a little bit with their first party titles. Mario and Zelda are great, but I wish they would ensure other types of games come to the system either through first party development or third party collaborations. There are definitely signs that they are trying to do this — they took a risk with Splatoon and it paid off. W101 didn't do so hot though. Hyrule Warriors worked out. But I think they should collaborate with Western studios! I'm thinking a cutting-edge racing, FPS, or survival horror game. And maybe have their first party studios work on something experimental. Ninty takes risks with their hardware, but I think they need to bring some of that innovation to their software. Why is it that games like Minecraft, Five Nights at Freddy's, and Goat Simulator are so popular? Because the gameplay is open-ended and unpredictable. Meaning, every time you play, it plays out a little differently, and every person that plays the game has a different experience from another. This leads to people sharing (and streaming) personal stories about the game which leads to the game going "viral". Mario Maker was supposed to be that game for Nintendo, and it seemed to somewhat succeed - it definitely got gamers attention and there's a vibrant online community around the game - but it didn't seem to sell many Wii Us. In the end, I think Mario Maker didn't go truly viral because at the end of the day... it was still Mario and still much more constrained than a game like Minecraft. And let's be honest, most of us play Mario for those expertly crafted levels that Nintendo designs.

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