The Zelda stories are effective and functional which is what you really want them to do at the end of the day. I do find people who talk about them being super duper stories are often the same people who make comments about Deagonball Z being Shakespearian or Yu Gi Oh being really dark and mature so some people’s scales are just weird.
I think Zelda games have always been more about the characters and general tone of the world. They do those things really well.
The actual stories are generally paper thin (& actually often exactly the same but for the set dressing). The same is true of most games though (outside some RPGs).
The Zelda stories are effective and functional which is what you really want them to do at the end of the day. I do find people who talk about them being super duper stories are often the same people who make comments about Deagonball Z being Shakespearian or Yu Gi Oh being really dark and mature so some people’s scales are just weird.
There are plenty of stories that try to be more that these and end up far less tbh. People just remember the ones that succeeded.
I would still say though that Majora's Mask is a cut above nearly any video game story I've experienced though. That game's story actually earned its reputation, its a great apocalyptic story.
Majora's Mask is pretty much one of the few Zelda games I've played where I actually cared about the characters. I felt like its emphasis on developing side characters you encounter throughout the game (during specific points in their lives thanks to the time looping mechanic) paid off brilliantly. I could actually see that approach working really well with BotW-style games as well. It's so much more interesting to organically learn about their lives than for the game to drag you by the nose through a 'go here to get the thing, to unlock the next area to get the other thing' generic high fantasy narrative that ends up feeling artificial.
BotW is my favorite Zelda game, but MM3D is by far the best I've played to date.
Recently I got interested to play Go Vacation again on Nintendo Switch as I have accumulated more than 50 hours.
I still like to play games which I can walking or swarming around beautiful places to explore with different natural environments and some activities to do based on the place I visited.
I really wish Bandai Namco or any developer still willing to make games like Go Vacation again with better 3D modelling for environments, more customization, more places to visit and more deep robusted gameplay.
@Link-Hero well they lack interesting characters above all (SS is specialy bad in this as even all the antogonists are beyond awfull). Imo both ocarina and Twilight princess have both the best characters and compelling story (Basic but enternating)
@Balta666
I really liked the characters and story in SS. This is definitely the coolest version of Zelda, and I thought Ghirahim was freaky and interesting as a villain, especially when you find out the thing at the end. I agree that Demise was lacking, but you gotta admit he at least looks cool lol
I know it's popular to rag on Zelda's stories or claim lack of story, but as a Zelda player from the very first game, that always makes me scratch my head. Every game has a very clear story, even if most tend toward the simple, and all of the games do a good job of telling their stories, even if it's through the gameplay moreso than cutscenes. Dialogue has also always been a big part of Zelda games and the way they tell their stories.
I do think the Hyrule Historia and trying to attach everything together is a bit of a stretch that probably wasn't intended with the first few games, but it is clear that from Link to the Past forward Nintendo was trying a bit more to create some solid connections between the games. They're definitely doing it now with BotW and BotW2; they've heard loud and clear that video game audiences love diving into lore, so they've pivoted to try and cater toward that.
I know it's popular to rag on Zelda's stories or claim lack of story,
I always find it is more the case that people make the statement that they only play Zelda for the story or they are a high standard of storytelling (like how this thread got on that topic) which results in people either laughing at them or slate Zelda off rather than people going out of their way to slag it off as it’s so bad.
Like I said on the other page I think the Zelda stories are fine but people just don’t know what actual good story telling is which is why they over emphases Zelda stories. C’mon guys, let’s try watching a show that isn’t Japanese cartoons about underage girls cleavage and stop reading children’s book about wizards to see what a good story is! ;p
1. Metroid Dread
2. Pokemon Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl Double Pack
3. Mario Party Superstars
4. Pokemon Legends: Arceus
5. Shin Megami Tensei V
6. Pokemon Brilliant Diamond
7. WarioWare: Get It Together!
8. Doki Doki Literature Club Plus
9. Sonic Colors: Ultimate
10. Advance Wars 1 + 2 Re-Boot Camp
Some takeaways:
If Nintendo doesn't make more 2D Metroid, they won't have the excuse of the previous game underperforming. Unless it just has no legs after the game actually comes out, lol.
SMT V seems to be doing well enough in preorders, which is good to see
Unfortunately, Advance Wars seems to be underperforming everywhere in terms of preorders.
Currently Playing: Metroid Prime 4: Beyond (NS2); Corpse Factory (PC)
@Link-Hero well they lack interesting characters above all (SS is specialy bad in this as even all the antogonists are beyond awfull). Imo both ocarina and Twilight princess have both the best characters and compelling story (Basic but enternating)
I'd take the opposite viewpoint about MM - the couples mask quest give you one of the most moving and mature pieces of character development in a videogame and the Zora band, hurting at the death of their friend, are great characters. The mailman doing his duty until the last, the boastful swordsman hiding cowering on the last day afraid to die.
SS too had some memorable and interesting side characters even aside from Groose (who is possibly the best Zelda side-character) you have the character in the knights academy who has to do side jobs because his Mum has "issues" and the strange bat-thing who just wants to be friends with everyone.
@Ralizah
I think Advance Wars is doing well enough all things considered. It's just behind Sonic Colors, which releases very soon and will probably be the best selling Sonic game in a long time, given Switch and the game's reputation.
But I never expected AW to do more than around 1 - 1.5m. If even Fire Emblem barely broke 3m, there's just no way AW was going to muster more than half that.
SMTV is actually outpacing a main-line November release Pokémon game. We know sales will be split between the two versions but still. This Pokémon game is an easy 10 million, all day long, at the bare minimum. 5 million per version, and SMTV is ahead of one of them. And release timing isn't skewing it either as they're both November releases. That's... incredible. Do I think SMTV is going to break 5m? Well, no. But this is a very, very good sign.
And Metroid, well. That game is going to smash. That one I do foresee breaking 5 million, at least once the dust settles, after a year or two being on the market.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced
@JaxonH I think AW being #10 is only because there's really not a lot else that's worth preordering atm. It's not even in the top 100 on Amazon for best-selling Switch games. One thing is clear: AW isn't going to have its Awakening moment any time soon.
Unless sales drop off a cliff after release, which is totally possible with a niche product like this, I could see SMT V doing 1.5 - 2 mil, which would be a massive improvement over previous entries. It's not going to hit Persona 5 numbers, but it doesn't need to, either.
Dread is probably going to become the best-selling game in the Metroid series. A deserved victory for the long underappreciated 2D branch of the series.
@Ralizah
I agree it won't have an Awakening moment, but, many Switch games don't make it into the top 100 until just before their release day. Or if they do, it's only after announcement hype and then fall down several hundred spots. Obviously, staying in top 100 like Metroid is a sign of massive sales to come. But only the big, evergreen titles seem to pull that off.
I would love to see SMTV break 2 million. I think 1 mil is a given. But 2 mil would be a feat. It doesn't have the same "teenagers in school" appeal of Persona, but that's ok. Not every game has to be equally popular. SMT has been so incredibly niche up until now, that breaking 2 million would basically launch it into JRPG mainstream circles. It needs to review very well though. 90+ on MC would really give it the gas it needs to burn long term.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced
@Ralizah That top 10 is about what I'd expect, if you swap DDLC with standalone Shining Pearl that's the top 10 I thought it would be. I'd guess Metroid Dread will drop to 4th and AW drops out of the top 10 in the coming weeks as we actually get real info on BDSP and Legends Arceus for the first time in 6 months next week.
@JaxonH SMT V has way more exposure than IV, and IV did 750,000+ on 3DS, so if SMT V can't hit a million copies sold, there's an issue. 1mil seems like the absolute worst case scenario in terms of likely minimum sales projections. The likely sales ceiling is another question altogether.
We'll have a good idea of how it performs a week or two after launch, because non-evergreen games sell the majority of their copies within a game's launch window period.
I'm actually curious about how Great Ace Attorney is doing. It consistently performs well on the Amazon charts and maintains a presence on the eshop's best-selling page, but we've seen no other indication that the game has sold well. The series sells low enough that, if they passed the 1mil sales threshold with this release, there would have been a Capcom Twitter post crowing about it. I think the Jp audience continuing to snub it is dragging down its sales potential.
@Magician
Ya, I think Monkey Ball will do fine. I just saw Banana Blitz HD in the eShop best sellers the other day, provably a sale they were running.
This is the ultimate Monkey Ball experience. It’s the game every single Monkey Ball fan has been clamoring for, for many years now. Not just the first, not just the first and second, but the first three games combined, with optional gyro, with optional jumping, with all original minigames included, with extra character skins and new mode… if Banana Mania doesn’t sell I’ll eat my shorts. And then make every Monkey Ball fan who complained about Banana Blitz not being “what we want” who didn’t then step up and buy Banana Mania eat their shorts as well.
That said, Idk what the reach of Monkey Ball is nowadays. What is “good” for the series? I think 500k on Switch alone would be more than satisfactory. Over 1m combined would also be more than satisfactory. Though I suspect 75% or more of this game’s sales to be on the Nintendo Switch. There’s very little (if any) reason to buy anywhere else, unless you just don’t own a Switch. Maybe trophy junkies will account for some sales elsewhere, and loyalists who just don’t like buying games on Switch, even when they look and run the same and offer extra value via tabletop and handheld. Maybe a few on Steam for long term preservation as well. I would say a few 4k diehards also, but anyone who’s a 4k diehard isn’t buying games on Switch in the first place. But there’s not too many Switch gamers in those other groups, even when combined.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced
@StuTwo
Groose is such a good character! Aesthetics, dialogue, arc. So good. And honestly, a lot of what he says and does is probably pretty close to what most people are thinking (if not saying out loud) during the events of the story.
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