Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

I'm pretty damn happy with my Switch atm, but I also own other platforms which are capable of playing AAA games, which I guess is the difference.

Nintendo-only is always going to be the worst option if you're looking to have access to as many big third-party releases as possible.

Exactly. I also delve into the exclusive libraries from PlayStation and Xbox, particularly the former but yeah if you're looking to get the best of both worlds, you kind of need another platform alongside your Switch, or at the very least a PC (or Steam Deck I guess) capable of running said games. Nintendo isn't really the all-in-one platform choice it used to be

Except its not. Because the amount of great games people care about, that actually use the PS4's power during that generation...was not a ton. Certainly not compared to previous gens. And some of them were first party Sony anyway. And Persona 5 is on PS3 so power is not even the issue there. And we still got some of those games anyway.

In terms of the BIG games from PS4 that I would want, that is not on Switch there's basically just the "could obviously run on a Switch" Persona 5, Yakuza series, Nier:Automata, Red Dead 2, some of the Capcom games, two Final Fantasy games (are they still Playstation console exclusive), Watch Dogs 2, the last Deus Ex game...not a lot else comes to mind. I'm sure there's others somewhere, especially AA stuff, but I've been to several PAX's, I rarely encounter games that look like they need to run a PS4. That's not nothing on its own, but a dozen games is nothing when compared to the probably hundreds on Switch I'm actively interested in.

And its not just a Nintendo fan thing. PS4 did not have a new Bioshock, or a GTA or an Elder Scrolls, or a Red Faction or any big Valve games or a worthwhile 3D Sonic (Forces was still on Switch, so there's two reasons to not count it :V), or a Mistwalker RPG or...a lot of my favorites from the 360 generation. Quite frankly, the only favorites of mine that kept going that generation that was a big Ps4 game were Red Dead and Deus Ex, IIRC.

Fact is, a lot of the most notable, most popular games nowadays are not because they needed the power of a PS4. Most of the cool stuff is coming to Switch or reasonably could...despite the fact that PS5 has been out for months now. Obviously things will be different in a couple of years, but even then...its not like impressive Ps4 to Switch ports were why I wanted the system or make up remotely a notable part of the library for me. I love Doom 2016, I wanna play the sequel and I'm sure I'll play at least a couple other ports like that, but I largely don't care about that and its such a tiny part of the Switch's library (even ignoring all bad/decades old/particularly obscure games). They were always a neat bonus, and not as vital as people seem to think.

It's fine if people are more invested in big AAA games on PS4 and beyond, but its just becoming absurd to continue to pretend they are the sole key to success in the entirety of gaming. This has been proven wrong, countless times, particularly over the past decade.

Point is, no I do not find it excruciating, I just don't care that much. It'll be neat to play FFVIIR on Ps5, when multiple parts are out. Until then, countless games on Switch I want to play. Not even including the upcoming games that interest me.

I've been pretty happy with Switch for awhile now, I'm already planning trying out Metroid Dread, WarioWare: Get it Together, and Shin Megami Tensei V (Which i was going to get anyways, Because i love playing Shin Magami Tensei Nocturne, Shin Megami Tensei IV, and Apocalypse. regardless on what System SMT V would be on.) this year.
so yeah, as long as Nintendo plans to pump out games for awhile beyond 2023. i'll still support the System for years to come. if not, than i'll just support whatever their next system is for the new games they make for it.

@kkslider5552000
Point is, no I do not find it excruciating, I just don't care that much

I agree. Switch doesn’t get every game, but it gets at least 80% of the games I’m actually interested in. Would it be nice to get that remaining 20% so I don’t have to resort to TV-saddled platforms? Absolutely. In fact, that’s why I’m so excited for Steam Deck. I want Mass Effect Legendary and Monster Hunter World portably.

But at the end of the day, it gets most of what I want already. It really isn’t that big a deal. The last few months have been nonstop with Monster Hunter Rise, Mario Golf, Neo TWEWY, MH Stories 2, Ace Attorney, Tony Hawk, Zelda Skyward Sword, and soon Monkey Ball, WarioWare, Metroid Dread, Cruis’n Blast, Shin Megami Tensei V, Advance Wars and tons of other games, far too many to keep track of. Even next year and beyond is stacking nicely with Splatoon 3, Mario Rabbids, Zelda BotW 2, MH Rise Ultimate, Bayonetta 3, Metroid Prime 4, probably Xenoblade 3, and more. And with Steam Deck now coming to market, that covers all bases. I enjoy the system for what it is rather than constantly focus on what it isn’t.

Switch has been the best primary console I’ve ever owned. And one day, we’ll get a successor that can run the majority of games as technology is finally reaching a point for mobile tech where you can run current gen games scaled down. But it doesn’t have to come tomorrow. There are going to be so many games coming to Switch over the next few years we’re going to have them falling out of our ears. The only thing I’m going to be thinking about over the next few is how I’m going to find the time to play all of those upcoming Switch games, much less anything else.

When I was browsing the Switch games from playasia, I found something that made me concern about how was the developer supporting Nintendo Switch.
Recently during this year, I found some Switch games only given by code in box with no cartridge inside, even the re-release of Overcooked 1 Special edition by Team17. 😑
It made me nervous to pick some Switch games as if i found treatment like that, I will get the PS4 version instead with game in disc, not code in box.

@Aozz101x Still can't believe we're merely a few months away from playing SMT V, a game I feel like I've been waiting eons to even hear about. Strangely, the wait is harder now more than ever, since it's so close to release I can almost taste it.

In not at all related news, I got a little drunk last night and made Pascal the Dog's theme from SMT I my generic ringtone, which seemed way funnier to me at the time.

SMT V is literally the reason I got a Switch. Honestly surreal we're actually getting the game now after so many years of radiosilence

Many of the games I play are indeed from Nintendo, so it's no wonder that I mostly play my Switch these days. I do have a gaming laptop with Steam, as well. The one game that got me to get a Switch was Super Mario Odyssey. I did get a Switch before SMO released, but when I got the game on launch day and started playing it, man I loved every second of it.

@Ralizah
Speaking of video game sound clips, I've got a 5 second sound sample of "Pac Man Dies" set up to run via .bat script at work whenever the CMM finishes measuring a part. I was gonna do Mario Dies, but it sounded too grim to be going off every 15 minutes.

The power discussion is kind of a "be careful what you wish for" type situation. Yes, it would be nice for Switch to have some extra power to run games like Bowser's Fury and Age of Calamity well but there's a point where too much power would mean much fewer games from Nintendo, we already saw this when Nintendo went to HD graphics in the Wii U era (fortunately in the Switch era, Nintendo realized the importance of ports/remasters/remakes).

@kkslider5552000
Ok, first off, I have to again confess, I really do not understand most of what you say. I don't know if it's your writing style or if your logic is just the total opposite of mine or what, but I just don't really know what you're saying.

You started with "except it's not," which is what I assume a reference to my point that people are gonna find it excruciating? That comment is missing my point completely: Yea, right now, it's not gonna feel that way. 2-3 years from now is when people are gonna start feeling the lack in power.

And you comments about power and games are bonkers. There are tons of games on the PS4/Xbox that were amazing and required power that the Switch OLED will never be able to reach. From the games you listed, your tastes are EXTREMELY different from mine, and I would also argue somewhat niche. You're telling me you have no interest in Horizon Zero Dawn? Spider Man? God of War? Halo? Gears? I mean, come on. I don't love all of those franchises, but millions of consumers certainly do. Your tastes are your tastes, but you're ignoring the insanely popular and award-winning games PS4 and Xbox have (many becoming non-exclusive on the other console and/or PC) that wouldn't have a hope of running on Switch hardware, and that's not getting into the huge AAA stuff that plenty of people on Switch would love to see. I'd snap up the next Call of Duty on Switch in a hot second if I could.

But of course, you do you. But you're just kind of proving my point by saying it's not hard to stomach the gap in power right now... cuz...yea, not right now. But give it a couple years. You'll be singing a different tune.

As stated, if you view the Switch as a secondary console, then it's all good. But if you only have a Switch for whatever reason (and that's more people than we assume, I would wager), it's gonna start to be a bummer in the coming years after the remaining big releases are behind us.

@JaxonH doesn't agree with anything I say and obviously won't utter anything bad about most of what Nintendo does, so I don't value his input whatsoever.

@TheFrenchiestFry

Honestly, I just want something in the ballpark of a portable base PS4. 720p portable resolution with a TPD of 18w or less. It doesn't even have to be on the level of the Steam Deck. Just something with a memory bandwidth of 150 GB/s or better.

The current Switch's anemic 25 GB/s is like trying to empty a ten gallon jug through a sippy straw, it's rough.

Edit: Alright, maybe asking for 150 GB/s or better is asking for way too much. It seems that the Steam Deck is estimated to have 88 GB/s of memory bandwidth. About triple the Switch's performance.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/official-steam-deck-specs-co...

@Grumblevolcano I think what people forget is there are different kinds of power. Memory bandwidth (as Magician mentioned) would be huge in reducing the Switch's lengthy loading times and should not increase development time whatsoever. In fact, it miiight reduce it since they wouldn't need as much insane optimization to keep games loading fast.

A GPU push wouldn't necessarily require extra dev time either. With nearly every game on the system having frame rate or resolution drop issues, they could continue developing titles as they are graphically.

Like, I don't think anyone wants or expects Nintendo to go past 1080p targeted game development, which is what most of their titles are. What they want is hardware that can support the graphical quality of titles that are already coming out.

maybe will hear more about the new Detective Pikachu game at tomorrow's Pokemon Presents? we've heard nothing about that game since the reveal of Pokemon Let's Go Pikachu / Eevee.

I don't think anyone is against the idea of a more powerful system. But... it's not happening, and that's just what it is. No sense obsessing about it. Accept it and move on. If games on the system don't meet your level of expectations, play something else.

In a few short years we'll get a successor. Until then, I'm good. I've used this system for 4.5 years just fine, and the sky won't fall using it for another 3.

It's true there are some games that have issues. But I have hundreds of games on my microSD that look and run fine. Great, even. If a game has serious issue I can't overlook then I just won't play it. Too many games that do look good and run well to get in a fluster over those which don't.

So ya. It's not that I don't want a Pro Model. But it's not happening, and having a mental breakdown over it won't change that. I'm perfectly happy with Switch as is. But, if someone isn't, I can respect that. Plenty of other systems to go play instead. Maybe it's time to move on from Nintendo. No sense spending the next 3 years upset about something you have no control over.

(bored)

Browsing the eShop for more things to wishlist, should they ever go on deep discount.

Overboard! and Black Book both seem interesting.

Just some deals I happened across.

eShop sale
Final Fantasy X/X-2 $20 (one of the best JRPG of all time)
Final Fantasy XII $20 (really fun game)
Skyrim $30 (excellent port, with gyro)
Immortals Fenyx Rising $24 (stick to handheld on this one, gyro works well)
Trails of Mana $20 (decent game, decent price)
South Park Stick of Truth $12 (funny game, even better than sequel IMO)
South Park Fractured But Whole $15 (funny game)
Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate $16 (incredible game if you’ve played MH before)
Dragon’s Dogma $15 (solid game)
Wolfenstein 2 $18 (I’d avoid, but it does play smooth with gyro)
Doom $30 (really fun on Switch Lite with gyro)
Doom Eternal $30 (really fun on Switch Lite with gyro)
Mario Rabbids $20 (masterpiece, love it)
Assassin’s Creed III Remastered $15 (good game, with gyro)
Assassins Creed Rebel Collection $20 (amazing on Switch, with gyro)
Metro 2033 Redux $8.74 (excellent port, with gyro, insanely good price)
Metro Last Light Redux $8.74 (excellent port, with gyro, insanely good price)
Saints Row The Third $14 (fun game, with gyro, patch added dynamic Res which helped Framerate a lot)
Saints Row 4 $14 (fun game, with gyro)
Valiant Hearts $5 (well worth this price)
Child of Light + Valiant Hearts $7.50 (both good games, great price)

Switch has gotten a handful of big PS4 games, but before it came out, that wasn't a thing at all. The Ps4 had been out for years. I had no way to play those games. And I just didn't care that much about that many major titles. A few sure, but not a ton. I don't think the PS5 generation will change my perspective.

I'm interested in those Sony exclusives. Not the Xbox exclusives, by all accounts Halo peaked with the Bungie games anyway and I never liked Gears. But that's not even the problem...those are first party games. If Nintendo had a PS5 level console, it would still not get these games. Like...obviously. For someone talking about all those games I'm missing, you sure did only name the most obvious games that have nothing to do with this discussion.

Also COD and Madden outsell them, not to mention games actually on Switch also outsell them(both exclusives and otherwise). The biggest gap in terms of a popular game not on Switch to me has always been GTA5, and that was a 360 game.

I will not. Even if some of those big games that come out on PS5 interest me, its not a huge deal. At some point it might be...a deal at least, but most of what interests me isn't just the same AAA games in the same couple of genres. I like more than shooters and open world action adventure games so I think I'm fine.

Don't pretend you know me. I also have never played a mobile game, have avoided playing my brother's PS4 since he got it in October, the two games I played most this year were JRPGs, one a Switch game from 2017, the other a Japan only GBA game from 2006. I don't play games just because they have the most advanced graphics, or because they have the biggest marketing budget or because they're the most popular or brand new or whatever nonsense. I just play what I want to play. And I want to play far more games on Switch than I do modern games that aren't on the Switch.

@rallydefault So... if you're interested in AAA multiplats and exclusives on other consoles, why not... buy those other consoles?

CoD probably isn't coming to Switch, or a Switch Pro, or Switch 2, or whatever. Ditto with most big AAA multiplats.

Just spend the money you'd have shelled out for a Switch Pro on a Series S + a year of GamePass, or a PS5 Digital Edition + a year of PS Plus, which would also net you access to a ton of high-quality games included by default.

There's nothing wrong with being Nintendo-only this gen like @kkslider5552000 if you're satisfied with that arrangement, but you're clearly not, and it's pretty pointless to keep being upset that Nintendo's priorities differ from your own.