@Therad To be fair, ''your average Joe'' isn't the guy that talks about specs of a console. When I friend of mine bought an Xbox One to play FIFA, when he has an expensive gaming rig at home, he told me that he had heard that FIFA looks better on consoles. These people have no idea what they're talking about and just buy what's popular, the things that get the biggest marketing push or whatever is available for the lowest price.
@Octane To be fair to your friend, I've never heard of a FIFA game having been optimised for PC. Maybe it's happened in the last couple of years, I've not kept up on the series, but just a few years ago PC version was basically a port of the previous year's console version.
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@gcunit I think you're thinking of PES 17; Konami screwed another PC port, that looks horrible indeed on PC. FIFA looks great on PC. Just as good as the console version at least. On similar settings you can't see a difference. Must've been a while ago then, because the last few years I haven't heard anyone complaining about the PC version.
@BiasedSonyFan
The Wii U was not a Virtual Boy or Saturn. It was more a Dreamcast or Gamecube. There weren't really a series of huge mistakes that caused the Wii U to become a failure. The Wii U did poorly because it was the wrong product for the market as it was. Nintendo misread what the consumers wanted. They rolled the dice and came up with nothing.
Now you guys can rake over the coals if you want. You can come up with all sorts of things and point at them as the reasons why the Wii U failed. You can point out what Nintendo could have done differently. You might be right, you're probably not. We can't exactly test your different decisions in an alternate universe. But at the end of the day? What you guys are saying here amounts to three things:
Nintendo made a bad decision having the Wii U not sell well Nintendo made a bad decision when third parties moved resources away from the failing Wii U Nintendo made a bad decision moving their resources away from the failing Wii U
I'd argue that the first two weren't decisions Nintendo made. The third one was the right call.
No that's not what it is. If you're going to boil it down that much, it comes down to the Wii U being a poorly thought out concept. It wasn't innovative (it was just a DS/3DS in console form) and it was all risk, little reward. Their decisions with the Wii U's core concept is what resulted in those first two things happening, anyone could've seen that coming.
@Bolt_Strike
People said the same sort of stuff about the DS and the Wii. Nintendo are a company that especially in recent years has taken risks. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't. Using 20:20 hindsight to argue that it was a bad call? Well sure, you can do that now. But that doesn't mean it was a bad call at the time.
I'll put it this way. I thought the PSP Go was a good idea when it was first announced. I thought the no-used-game strategy for the XBOne was a good move. I thought the Kinect and Media functionality would be a hit. I thought the PS4 was kinda boring. I thought the Wii U was a novel concept with little content. I thought the Vita was DoA, I thought the 3DS would do ok despite smartphones.
Going way back I thought the Wii was going to be a smash hit. I thought the DS was yesterday's news because "people these days" carried around phones with snake/tetris. I didn't understand why the 360 existed when PCs were a thing. I thought the PS2 was way too expensive and would flop. I thought the HDD in the original XBox was going to be a big deal in the long run.
Some people would have disagreed with me about all of those thoughts at the time. Sometimes I was right sometimes I wasn't. Though compared to me? Nintendo has a better track record of getting it right. So I'm not going to sit here and judge their tea-leaf reading with the advantage of hindsight.
I wouldn't be surprised if NF has some info about the NX reveal. They were the first ones to tweet about Mario Party: Star Rush and the new amiibo (+ some other stuff I don't remember right now) when the E3 presentation said nothing about them. They have professional staff so I don't think they'd just write that just to get attention. And it's not like Nintendo has never given info away in advance to some trusted partners. Anyone remember Cloud reveal for Smash and how JWittz and Jirard the Completionist got to see the Direct beforehand? They teased a bit before the reveal too. I'm not saying this is a confirmation of anything but I trust them much more than any rumors that have circulated before.
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Nintendo NX To Be 3-4 Times Stronger Than Wii U; Multiple Sources Confirm NVIDIA Pascal Tegra, No 4K Upscaling, HDR – Rumor
September has come and gone, and there still hasn’t been any Nintendo NX reveal. The secrecy surrounding the new console from Nintendo is making fans more and more curious about it, and we may have managed to learn some new details thanks to some of these curious fans asking one informed insider multiple questions.
Not too long ago, Direct Feed Games shared a new video where he answered questions that have been posed on Twitter regarding the Nintendo NX. While he obviously couldn’t answer several questions, some of these answers did reveal some interesting new details. For starters, Direct Feed Gaming revealed that the Nintendo NX will be 3,4 times more powerful than the Wii U in terms of Gigaflops, also adding that developers won’t have to deal with any technical hurdle if they want to port PS4 and Xbox One games to the NX, as the console will support Unreal Engine 4 and other modern game engines. Multiple sources have also confirmed to him that the NX will be powered by an NVIDIA Pascal Tegra, which doesn’t tell us much other than the fact that NVIDIA is going to be involved. Direct Feed Gaming sounds pretty confident in saying this, so it will be interesting to see if the company is indeed involved in the NX as rumors have been saying these past few months.
Direct Feed Gaming has also been asked about possible 4K upscaling and HDR support in the vein of the Xbox One S. According to the insider, it could be technically possible, but he doesn’t believe Nintendo will be going for it. Direct Feed Gaming also doesn’t believe any of the features that have been recently patented by Nintendo will be making it into the NX, as the only “hook” of the console will be its hybrid nature.
As it often is with rumors, we must take everything that’s been revealed in the video with a grain of salt until an official confirmation comes in. Still, Direct Feed Gaming revealed the Nintendo NX hybrid nature even before Eurogamer did, so he definitely has access to inside information.
The Nintendo NX will launch in all regions during March 2017.
The current president of Nintendo correctly predicted that the Wii U would not sell well. How is that hindsight bias? There were many reasons to believe that the Wii U would struggle commercially when it was released, not after the fact.
People like to pretend that Kimishima was the only sane mind midst a bunch of lunatics when they launched the Wii U. All he said was that the Wii U needed to be marketed right if it ever wanted to surpass the Wii sales. That was going to be a tough sale regardless. He's right about that, but I don't think he was the only one;
"In an internal sales representative meeting, someone projected that we would sell close to 100 million Wii U systems worldwide. The thinking was that because Wii sold well, Wii U would follow suit. I said that, since the Wii had already sold so well, we need to clearly explain the attraction of the Wii U if we are to get beyond that and sell the new system."
@BiasedSonyFan
I was going to make a long post in response but @Octane beat me to it. Basically, he never said that. Or at least not in that sort of context. Basically the point he made was that whatever followed the Wii would underwhelm because the Wii was lightning in a bottle.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
It's interesting. Though it's basically just repeating the original Eurogamer article once more. Which either gives more credence to the Eurogamer article or is just some easy recycling of news.
Tegra Pascal is older than Parker? Would this be in the same ballpark as the Xbox One? Not putting much credit in this rumour, but even if it is ARM based, it's not a major hurdle to porting per se, it's more important that it supports the newer game engines and the documentation for programmers is thorough and intuitive. ARM is ubiquitous nowadays, every code monkey should be bananas about it. It's not a fringe technology like IBM POWER or SPARC.
@MarcelRguez We've had this conversation on other thread a couple weeks ago. It is my understanding that you need a 4K TV to support HDR, but for Nintendo it's not difficult to add the option. So, people with a compatible TV would not be playing in 4K by any means, but the 1080p with HDR should be a very noticeable improvement.
But the XBOne and PS4 use AMD so, in terms of age at least:
PS4/XBOne -> GCN 2 -> About as old as Kepler
Revisions -> GCN 4 -> Basically in-line with Pascal
Not that it means much, you'd expect newer hardware to use newer components. Doesn't say anything about how powerful they are or anything else. At best it tells you something about how power efficient it might be.
@MarcelRguez Yes and no. HDR is a separate feature from 4K, HDR (high dynamic range) refers to the contrast, or a higher contrast of colours in this case. It's ''newer'' tech than 4K, so I've only seen it in 4K TVs yet. Technically 1080p HDR TVs could exist, but I don't think they currently do. The difference between HDR and no HDR is quite noticeable, but it hasn't anything to do with the resolution per se, just that there currently are no 1080p HDR TVs from what I know. However, @Samurai_Goroh is right, even if they don't make 4K games, and I don't expect them to, that's no reason to not include HDR support. Regardless of what resolution the game runs in, HDR is very noticeable. And it's not really an effort to put in, just include an HDMI 2.0 out port (which should be standard by now) and you're essentially set to go. They would have to manually block HDR support if they don't want to support it, which is kinda stupid, hence my remark.
@MarcelRguez It's again a situation where it technically could, but I don't see it happening. I have yet to see a HDR screen on a phone or tablet, cause I haven't even seen regular 1080p HDR screens. I don't think they exist. Even if they made them, I doubt they'll be affordable. Definitely not the thing Nintendo wants to put in their system. They could've opted for a 1080p screen, but rumours point to a 720p screen. So I don't think that a HDR screen is on Nintendo's mind at all.
From the fact that Sony could enable it with a simple software update, should tell you that it doesn't require any extra hardware. So it's indeed just a matter of having the right HDMI port to output the HDR signal. I'm not sure how HDR effects power usage, but if the NX needs to be docked to play on TV, then I don't see the issue. The handheld itself will most definitely not support HDR, so it won't really affect the battery life. Of course, I'm assuming that the dock will have a power cable and not a battery, that kinda depends on what the NX actually is and how it works.
@MarcelRguez It happened with the PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro, so it could and probably will also happen with the NX if Nintendo doesn't reveal the system before that. The question is, who's first?
Personally I think the Wii U was the almost perfect follow on from the Wii if it didn't include the gamepad screen (although I do like it myself).
The Wii U should have focused on the customisable controller options that it had. Whilst the Wii forced motion controls on everyone, the Wii U should have been branded a "play your own way" console emphasising the options of the Wii remote or the pro controller with the option to toggle motion/gyro controls on and off. I think that would have appealed to core and casual gamers more clearly.
But then they introduced the second screen thing which became the main gimmick without a clear reason as to why it was there and it became a marketing mess....
If that is true then that would put the NX at 1.08-1.44 terraflops which would be similar powered to the XboxOne at the minimum, or smack inbetween the Xbox and PS4 at the maximum.
If true I think that would be great news, but a lot of rumours have suggested it would be more in between the Wii U and Xbox in actual power which I find to be a little disappointing but more realistic for the hybrid concept.
@dtjive Wii U would have been better received if they had got it out 2-3 years earlier. It went and bettered PS3 and 360, but only a year before they were succeeded. A couple more years of the Wii U being the best console available would have given the goodness that is it's exclusive games library much more general exposure.
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