@EvilLucario What would you say are the downfalls of VC from Nintendo's perspective? Just curious!
I’ve heard it called the ‘Uncle Buck’ problem. Uncle Buck is a fun film but not an essential one. It’s something you’ll have a good hour and a half watching if it’s there and free but it’s not something you’d ever wake up one thinking ‘I really need to watch Uncle Buck’. So the commercial case for making Uncle Buck as an individual film available for sale is weak.
As a grain of sand in a weightier package though it has value. In fact it’s only by packaging it up that you can really justify keeping it available.
The same goes for games. I’ve put a bit of time into games like Solomon’s Key on Switch - games that I wouldn’t even contemplate buying outright (even if we were only talking about a price £1 or less). The subscription model allows Nintendo to plumb the depths and bring games that wouldn’t otherwise be made available.
@StuTwo That’s a pretty on point comparison.
I love the Uncle Buck movie, and now that it’s been mentioned I would like to watch it; But I’m not going to go through the effort to track it down.
That chainsaw, tho 😂
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@EvilLucario That makes sense, thanks for the explanation!
@StuTwo Good analogy. Real talk, though, Uncle Buck is a fantastic movie. RIP John Candy!
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You know id rather have all SNES titles on one cartridge and pay 30 for it
And apart from that, if i paid for one year i probably played all the NES games already and therefore shouldnt have to pay for it again, so the price i pay for NSO should go to the SNES game, thats why there shouldnt be an extra cost to play SNES games
Thats BS
I honestly have no idea what you are saying. You "probably" played all the NES games so you...shouldn't have to pay for them next year? Is that what you're saying?
I mean, if you BOUGHT them, then yea...you don't pay for a game every year that you've already bought. But when you signed up for Online, you didn't buy the games... you subbed to a service that provides access to those games for a recurring fee. You did that, and you should make sure you read, clearly, the stipulations of anything you sign up for/buy.
That being said, MAYBE they will come out with a plan where you can choose what games (NES or SNES or future systems) you'd like to receive for different price ranges. I don't see that happening, though. I think they'll tack on SNES for 5-10 dollars more per year.
A Hat in Time is coming October 18th. Seal the Deal DLC is included, although it'll need to be downloaded separately for the physical version. Amazon physical version is listed at $39.99.
Between this and the side-scrolling Yooka, October is looking to be a good month for platformers on Switch.
@New_Guest In your view of this, does that mean that a person subbing up after SNES were to launch should pay more than a person that subbed up when NES launched? Because that person had not yet "paid for NES games"?
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My only issue with the online services is the same I had with VC. Due to legal logistics it is impossible to offer a full library. So you get the same releases into infinity. However if you liked a rare game or are trying to play something you missed, VC/online service doesn't assist much. Granted I have NSO for online so the games are an extra padding. So I play what I see and keep it moving.
In a perfect utopia where all the rights holders came together and said "here is our entire catalog for purchase" it would be wonderful (and knock a hole in the whole ROM scene) but because that will never happen we are stuck with a bandaid solution. There were a lot of good licensed games in the snes era (and a few in the NES era) but they will never see the light of day again. To me that is the only issue with video games as a medium. They were made to be used at the time and then thrown away, but because gaming is such a cultural touch stone people want to go back and keep playing those games. The medium wasn't (still isn't if you look at licensed games) prepared for that.
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@BougieBeetle@HobbitGamer it is such a great film with a wicked sense of humour. Not “top 10 of all time, keep the poster on your wall and the 5 disc collectors edition blu ray on your shelf” material - there are dozens of films more deserving of that treatment - but it’s more than solid.
I suppose we should be glad it’s not more we’ll known today. If it were we’d have chainsaw Buck Funko Pops and a terrible reboot staring Seth Rogan prepped by Hollywood as the forerunner of a nascent “Buck cinematic universe” pledging to show us just what was happening with Buck’s brother and his wife and what the boyfriend did next...
Anyway - the main point is that if we want those solid B tier games available then they need to make commercial sense and subscription based services are the best bet for that. They also need to be baited with the games that people really want. Making Mario 3 et al available to buy separately could undermine the whole endeavour.
Which isn’t to say I agree with Nintendo’s model - it clearly has downsides as well as upsides - but there is a logic to it and that logic is not inherently anti consumer. The way they’ve communicated the advantages and marketed it has been an utter disaster so far however - which is a real shame.
100 bucks over 5 years to play 30+ classic games is an EXCELLENT deal. Ask any game collector. To collect/buy physical games, you'd be paying many multiple times that much. You would own the games, yes, but you could easily be paying in the thousands of dollars to establish a big library. 200 dollars and a decade later and probably many more added games later (assuming the service stays up, and that's a whole other discussion), and you're still WAY on the winning end of things if you're hardcore about playing old games.
I guess you are being "clear," sure, but I think you're being spoiled. You're asking for everything for nothing or next to nothing. You WANT a big collection of games to be made available to you for a reasonable price. Yea, awesome - we all want that. I want to win the lottery tonight.
And I agree with you: online should be free. Most of us around here think that. But guess what: Nintendo decided it's not free on their console. So you either pay for it or walk away from it and play for free on a PC or something. It's up to you.
And I agree with you: online should be free. Most of us around here think that. But guess what: Nintendo decided it's not free on their console. So you either pay for it or walk away from it and play for free on a PC or something. It's up to you
Couldn’t agree with this statement more. Everybody here agrees online should be free. But that’s not the way it is, and it hasn’t been that way for years. Complaining about it like it’s the morning’s breaking news isn’t going to solve the issue. Accept it and pay for it, or don’t accept it and don’t pay for it. It truly is up to you.
Most people agree with shouldn’t be paying income taxes. Income tax didn’t exist before the 20th century. It’s a relatively new thing. But every since 1913, we’ve been paying income tax on top of sales tax and property tax. It’s double taxation. Your money gets taxed once when you earn it and again when you spend it. People just accept it as normal, but it wasn’t always like that. Paying income tax to the IRS has only been around for 100 years or so.
But there’s no sense in complaining about it now. That’s just the way it is and it’s not going to change. You don’t have to like it, but if you choose to earn money legitimately you’re going to have to pay the tax. No ifs, ands or buts. It is what it is. Same goes for online subs. It is what it is. That’s just the way it is and it’s not going to change. Wasting breath on what it “should be” is exactly that... wasting breath.
If someone wishes to harness their frustration into something constructive, however, I would advise voting with your wallet, and making your voice heard on official social media accounts. You’re not going to change it, but you can at least make a case for better value.
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Here’s the top 20 in the US
1. Madden NFL 20
2.Fire Emblem: Three Houses
3. Super Mario Maker
4. Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3:The Black Order
5. Minecraft
6. Grand Theft Auto 5
7. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
8. Mortal Kombat 11
9. Mario Kart 8
10. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
11. Marvel’s Spider-Man
12. Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six: Siege
13. Call of Duty: Black Ops IIII
14. Crash Team Racing: Nitro Fueled
15. Red Dead Redemption 2
16. Tom Clancy’s The Division 2
17. MLB 19: The Show
18. New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe
19. NBA 2K19
20. Assasin’s Creed Odyssey
Fire Emblem Three Houses is the biggest launch for the series in US History and already the second best selling title in the series (in the US), just behind Awakening.
Fire Emblem topped U.K. charts for 2 weeks, yet it practically topped the US charts for the entire month. I hear it’s already the second best selling game in the series (3rd if you combine Fates sales into one). But that’s not bad for only being out on the market two weeks. Not to mention, Nintendo confirmed that 63,000 of the 180,000 launch sales for FE Awakening were digital. That’s like 33%. And the percent of digital sales on Switch should be even higher, especially considering the voucher program (particularly in Japan).
And since only physical sales are being counted for Three Houses right now, that bodes extremely well for the total sales. And it should be noted, FETH is still like #11 on Amazon US. The game has kept incredible momentum since launch. Excellent word-of-mouth and high reviews spreading like wild fire. Those sales are going to be evergreen as the 3DS fanbase buys into Switch over the coming year with New model Switch and LiteSwitch + Pokémon/Animal Crossing. And that’s where a large portion of the current fanbase lies. I see this game selling millions of copies for years to come. So happy seeing this franchise doing so well. Hopefully it’ll do 3-4 million lifetime, set a series record and garner an even higher budget for future entries.
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Never said there is no sense talking about it. Only that there’s no sense complaining about it. And nobody else is complaining except you.
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