Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

Oh cool, I was hoping we'd get an announcement for at least 4, nice to see we're getting 0,1, AND 4.

@jhewitt3476 not to jump in on this but I would say that the need for the twins is simply due to the fact that many don't want to game on pc. Most want a box that they just plug up and play, they pop in a disk or use their network account that they have had for the past two gens so they can game with their friends and they go make a sandwich while it installs and then they are good to go.

Anecdotal, but I work for a software company and half the department I'm in buys consoles and games based upon what the other members in the department buy. I'm the only multiconsole gamer here and one of two pc gamers. I don't agree with that myself but convenience drives a lot of what we purchase and why. That hive mentality is partly why console wars are such a thing.

To follow the current line of the thread. I'm happy capcom is in re release mode. I just need all the onimusha games and devil may cry on switch ....oh and viewtful joe. please and thanks!

@jhewitt3476
So, you think PS4 & Xbox1 = The dumb version of PC ?
Actually i don't really like my PS4 machine since i have some Negativity with Sony, but to play The Sims 4, i depend on the console version since i DON'T need to install as complicated as PC version.
I will Not choose the PC version since my PC specs is NOT designed for playing games (Don't tell me to modify my PC specs to play PC games since i DON'T want to play PC games anymore)

And why are you mad with Sony & Microsoft for their consoles ?

@Anti-Matter
not mad at them nor did I say "dumb", I said "dumbed down", I said I judge them, as far as I'm concerned, they have a good product, it plays games very well, as you pointed out, it is optimized for gameplay, but it is a PC first, when i say "they dumbed them down", I'm referring to purposefully restricting it from doing all the other things it is capable of,

a 1976 Porche 911, or a 1974 Pontiac Barracuda big block 426 Hemi, BEAUTIFUL examples of engineering and aesthetics, capable of greatness..........

but what if the designers kept everything the same, but set up the transmission so you cant go past 1st gear ???, really only good for teaching driving in a school zone, but through great marketing and a new name they are sold as something greater than it is allowed to be

keep the gaming capabilities, but unlock it's full abilities

@jhewitt3476
I don't expect my consoles have multi tasking such as typing documents on Microsoft Word or drawing on Corel Draw since the purpose of Video game consoles are just for playing, NOT working as complex as PC does.

Btw, what video games do you have right now ?
If you don't play PS4 / Xbox1, what makes you so against the consoles since they are DIFFERENT products with very DIFFERENT purposes ?

except for my PSX, I'm a solid Nintendo person myself, however, my 12 year old daughter spent about 5 months babysitting to save up for her PS4 and some games, my son-in-law has a 360 (but no XB1), so i have done plenty of examining, I don't walk into a dark alley, without a flashlight and a gun, unlike some people, I don't talk fluff, and I wouldn't try to disrespect the others at this site by doing so either

@jhewitt3476 XBox One and PS4 to a lesser degree are basically Valve's idea of the Steambox. Which isn't a bad thing. A $300-500 gaming PC that runs all the latest games without any setup or hassle. A decent video card alone costs that, without buying the rest of the PC. Nothing wrong with specialized hardware that does what you need it to do for a relative low cost.

I started gaming with the Atari 2600 and NES. Arcade PC Engine was the dream people would give anything for. Moved to PC for a decade or more around the N64 era. I finally got tired of a never-ending cycle of failing/overheating/incompatible components disaster, driver issues, constant BSOD/C2D, or system freezing while screeching through the speakers in a hard lock. Most often that meant another video card failure, so another $400 out the window just in time for some other component to break. When I got into it a high end video card was like $99 (Diamond Stealth FTW!) By the time I got out you were up to $400 to play "upper mid-tier." The final straw was the move to digital and away from physical. It's caught up to console now, but that was a decade later and still isn't as ubiquitous as it is for PC. I was a super PC die-hard for quite some time, but the choice between a $400 box to plug in and put the games on without risking work environments versus, what, my 5th $2000+ rig that I'd spend more of my free time fixing/troubleshooting/tuning than playing games on? No thanks. The console does what I want it to do, and without the need for gaming, the PC money can go into laptops that are more productive in more ways, and/or a powerful workstation that's used for business only without mucking it up with g@m3er hardware and drivers.

PC is great in a lot of ways...but the problem is if you're looking to play AAAs its going to cost a pretty penny to do it right, and the PC itself has to be part of the hobby regardless. That was great when I was a kid or thereabouts. Now that I'm paid to spend all day dealing with problems, the last thing I want to do when I get home is troubleshot more problems. Consoles let me play without the troubleshooting (usually.) And if it fails, it's just a single box to purchase rather than diagnosing parts for a week to identify if it's the $400 GPU, the $175 PSU, or if the MoBo is getting flaky and basically can't be practically replaced since by then the PCI bus is a whole different standard, the socket has changed, and the memory speeds have changed.

I know since "my day" hardware compatibility has improved and the standards no longer change every 14 months (PCI->AGP->AGP Pro->AGP 2->PCIe->PCIe2->PCIe3...every time the GPU broke, which was frequently, you'd have to buy a whole new mobo, CPU, and RAM because the entire thing was incompatible.) I think the younger folks that missed that era have this rosy image of "PCs just snap together!" when that's kind of a new thing (and at some point that will break again. Pray I never buy another gaming PC. If I do, within 4 months all the standards will change, guaranteed. ) There's good about it in terms of DRM-free access, and backward compatibilty. But I kind of like that XBox is becoming "Microsoft's Steam-clone + Steambox".....it's just a tiny quiet, cool gaming PC for the price of a GPU with no troubleshooting. Can't go wrong with that. You don't get the top tier max settings, but you don't pay $2000 either. The only thing missing is multiple competing digital stores.

Nintendo's a pure old school console...well Switch really isn't still....but it's closer. PS4 is kind of in between. It wants to be a PC but it doesn't do the PC thing as well as XBox so it's sort of half way PC and half-way console.

Resident Evil games! Add that motion support like Revelations, and hopefully physical too, though I wouldn't count on it. $19.99 eShop releases I bet. Which hey, whatever. Better than nothing.

As for consoles, there is justification for them. I'm arguing not based on my personal preferences, but on logic and obvious observations. Not everyone likes PC. I don't like PC. Consoles are pick up and play and unlike PC, no errors, fullscreen doesn't work, .dll file missing, resolution incompatibilities, partial controller support, 150-200% price for same level of power (and that's a fact), display errors, less stable ports that crash, etc etc etc.

Now. I personally have grown to see very little value in PS4/X1. I just stopped caring about them entirely. If a gaming system can't come with me I honestly just don't care about it when I have an alternative that can come with me and can still function as a console, with crossplay and crosssave built in on a systemic level. But just because I personally don't care about these systems much anymore, doesn't mean I think they have no value or shouldn't exist. Of course they have value and of course they should exist. Of course they're not the same thing as PC. They are only worse and inferior if you don't mind all the negatives I listed above concerning PC, and value the pros far more than the cons. And for some people that very well may be the case. But that doesn't mean it's an objective fact that other people have to accept as objective truth. It just means that you personally enjoy the benefits PC offers over consoles than you dis-enjoy all the cons that come with it.

I love GPD Win 2, for example. The things that PC-based handheld can do that Switch cannot do is incredible. And if you listed all the things it can do and all the games it can play and access to your Steam library, and can run every Nintendo game ever made up through the Wii and every PS game ever made through PS2, it's like holy crap, Switch is inferior in every single way!!! Except... it's not. The exclusive games, the hybrid functionality and instantaneous switching among 3 different styles of play, the instant sleep mode and waking from sleep mode (which, ok, Win 2 has instant sleep mode also closing lid), the detachable controllers, more comfy layout, kickstand for tabletop, etc etc. Both Win 2 and Switch are awesome, but in no way does one make the other irrelevant.

Likewise, PC can indeed do far more than PS4/X1, but there is still a long list of advantages offered by dedicated consoles, and for many people those advantages outweigh all of the disadvantages brought by PC. Even if it doesn't for me personally (because for me personally, both home consoles and PC are basically irrelevant- Win 2 aside, because handheld PC is rad as heck), I still recognize the value these consoles bring, and if Nintendo ever stops making hybrid systems and goes back to a normal home console, I'm probably going to go back to spending a lot of time playing normal home consoles like PS/Xbox again because I won't have a better alternative anymore.

@subpopz
The Branding image that they offer from the machine.
For example SEGA / NeoGeo / PlayStation / Xbox. When talking about their machine, it talk about being Edgy & Cool by More Actions & Violences. For me, i really hate to see a machine that branded as to be a cool gamer you must play more violence games, even the most controversy. I hate the slogan like that, completely against with my natural feeling.

But why i really likes PS1 & PS2 ? Because the machines are still have some games with more than 40 titles are suitable for me. The games that i got from PS1 & PS2 are mostly Rhythm games from Konami (50%++), Kickboxing games from K-1, 3D Platformer like Crash, Bomberman, Final Fantasy games, Puzzle games, Some quirky games like Bishi Bashi / Ka 2. Moreover, with my PS2 Slim, i can make a Home Arcade from my PS2 & PS1 games with their additional devices to play (Dance Dance Revolution, Para Para Paradise, Beatmania IIDX, Pop'n Music, Guitar Freaks & DrumMania, Street Fighter / K-1 games with Arcade Joy Stick)

But why i start to hate PS3 & PS4 and also PS Vita ? Because their machine have LACK of games i'm looking for, even less than 10 decent games for me. And more Violence games on their machines, just made me so upset & disgust. PSP was much like PS2 library games but even worse, so i skip PSP entirely.

Why do i really like Nintendo machines despite there are Also some rated 18+ games ?
Because Nintendo machine is still being Kiddie, Quirky, Unique , Family gaming & Fun as Kids Toys. That's the Branding image from Nintendo, completely matched with my interest & expectation. The fact that NDS & 3DS has Tons of Kawaii (Cute) + Ujique + Ediucational games that targeted to Kids & Girls such as Style Savvy, Akogare Girls games from Columbia Pictures, Tamagotchi, etc are more than enough for convincing me to buy NDS & 3DS games rather than any PSP / PS Vita games. Whenever i see Nintendo, my mind quickly thinking about Kiddie games, Kawaii & Colorful games.

So, when talking about Branding image, i want Brands that represent about my personality. I will NOT follow the Branding images that completely against with my personality. I don't follow other peoples just because it's Popular in Negative way / Completely Boring for me.

Eh... In the end it's still the games that matter. That's the reason I buy consoles. I do find that first party games, or games funded by the platform holders tend to be better on average than third party games. I'm sure there are reasons for that; and there are definitely exceptions. Anyway, release some good games, and I'll buy the system, as simple as that.

@subpopz I dunno... As someone who plays PC over Xbox/PS whenever possible, I will admit that high maintenance is a big problem with PC gaming, and is perhaps the biggest thing to prevent it being as accessible as console gaming. I reckon a good one in five games that I get on PC need some troubleshooting before I can get them working smoothly.

I'll probably go all in on a gaming PC when I upgrade instead of worrying about PS5. It's a bit more work (emphasis on 'a bit;' in general, consoles have gotten less convenient over time, and PC gaming has only become more user-friendly), but the enormous range of software available (spanning decades), the multiple control options, the ability to mod and emulate, not being held in thrall to the censorious whims of any one storefront... it's just vastly preferable for me. Gaming on home consoles now feels... limiting.

Granted, there are some issues to be worked out (occasionally invasive DRM; poorly optimized games from developers who aren't experienced with PC ports; and, if your gaming PC doubles as your everyday use PC, it's important to manage programs that can dampen the performance of resource-demanding games, etc.), but I feel like I get out what I put into my PC.

Switch and PC both allow me to do things that no other device is capable of, and, for that reason, I find them to be tremendously attractive platforms.

With that said, if you're the sort of person who just wants to kick back, relax, and boot up a game once in a while, it's probably better to stick to home consoles.

Can't wait to play Resi again on Switch. Two great games in Zero and 4 and the original for those interested. It would be nice to see the whole mainline series up to 6 (6 is my favourite in the series) but I'm still happy with the news.

I have a pretty decent PC could probably play a lot of great indies and the best looking AAA games but the reality is I just can't be bothered I use it mostly for writing the occasional document and playing Victoria 1 and 2.

I was looking through the Switch news channel and noticed that the E3 coverage is going to leave the news channel soon (I'd guess about a week from now). The oldest content that's showing up is the Sushi Striker launch trailer on 8th June.

If there's one port I'd really like to see, it's Sonic Generations. I'd buy it in a heartbeat

Yea, sadly I'm finding this to be the case for me too, especially since my daughter was born (almost a month now!).

Switch has been my go-to gaming because of the ease. Sitting down at the PC to do anything more than some quick browsing just isn't in the cards for the foreseeable future.

Btw, i found from e-shop, the game size of World of Final Fantasy Maxima was JUST 10.1 GB. That's fit enough on 16 GB cart, so i don't want to hear any excuses from SquareEnix to NOT release that game in Physical since SquareEnix CAN release Dragon Quest Builders 1 & 2 in Physical.
And today is 27 October 2018 but still NO Confirmation yet from SquareEnix about Physical release of Nintendo Switch version.

we now know who being working on These cloud games. Ubitus.
https://nintendoeverything.com/meet-ubitus-the-company-behind...

So, how does the game run?

Midoro: To explain it simply, the actual game is running on our company’s servers. All of that picture and sound data is sent to the user’s Nintendo Switch, and then the input on the controller from the user is sent back the same way, and that’s how the game runs.

How did this project originally start off?

Ozan: In April 2018 we released the cloud versions of Phantasy Star Online (SEGA Games) and then in May 2018 we released the cloud version of Resident Evil 7: Biohazard (Capcom), and on the merits of those two games it was decided we would co-develop titles with Ubisoft as well. We also talked with Ubisoft’s CEO, Yves Guillemot, about developing other games, but Assassin’s Creed Odyssey seemed liked the perfect opportunity, and the series is already a favorite with fans. So, we started there.

With the Switch being so different to other platforms, were there any issues with response times or lag?

Midoro: No that wasn’t a problem. We changed the user interface to better suit the Switch, but the game runs on the same basic spec and with the same data exchange as the PC version. On our side too we are working now on optimizing the networks to ensure users have a lag-free experience. The recommended network is 802.11ac 5GHz for Wi-Fi and if possible we would recommend using a LAN adaptor for a wired connection. But we’ve also conducted tests in-house with a 4G wireless connection, and as long as the network is strong there should be no problems playing that way.

Ozan: We’ve set up a robust infrastructure in order to create an environment where players can enjoy the game and we’re committed to preventing any sort of issues.

Midoro: Even for gamers wanting to play at high spec, the servers are equipped to adapt to each network and adjust speed automatically, so as long as you have the appropriate connection speeds, the game can be played at top spec.

The amount of games playable on the cloud is increasing, but what do you think are the merits of cloud-based games?

Ozan: First off, porting a game with such a huge and rich world would obviously take a lot of time and money. Also, getting a port that recreates the same experience as the PC version can be very difficult. In order to deliver that high-end experience, the best option is cloud gaming. Also, with big games the necessary storage data can really build up and updating can take a really long time. With cloud gaming, though, because the updating occurs on the actual server, it takes far less time and effort. For this game, it’s necessary to download the free 44MB launcher, but aside from that nothing more is required to play the most up-to-date version of the game.

Midoro: From a developer’s point of view too, being able to offer the PC build of the game on various platforms is definitely a huge selling point. I think it’s also great that we can shorten that time of porting and get the game to players much faster.

I get the feeling that the amount cloud games might start increasing rapidly.

Midoro: The time might be coming when people can play games in the same way they watch YouTube. Cloud gaming definitely has that potential.

Ozan: Ours is a company that provides technology solutions, but we are all also of a mind-set to improve entertainment value and ensure players enjoy their games as much as possible. Also, there’s the fact that all of our members are gamers… (Laughs)

So you can see things from a gamer’s point of view.

Midoro: Ozan and I, and also the developer and the publisher all have that experience, so we take the gamer’s standpoint very seriously. Also, because every game has distinctive differences, we try our best in the optimization process to put across the unique appeal of each game. On this game too, we are working alongside the Ubisoft development team to ensure we really transmit everything they want.

Ozan: First off, in order to test the network capabilities, the player completes a free twenty-minute network play test. If that goes well, they can proceed to the Nintendo eShop and buy a 730 day usage ticket. The play test can be done as many times as needed, so it’s possible to use it to test the suitability of any network, wherever you are.

Midoro: The save data is also handled by the cloud, so even if the player’s Nintendo Switch breaks they can use their account on another console and continue their game. We’ll also be handling the release of future downloadable content so that players will be able to enjoy the same experience as on other platforms, so please don’t worry about that.

But the fixedness of a console can also be a problem. If you find a part in a game that is choppy, you are at the mercy of the game maker to fix it on the console. On the PC you can downgrade the res or details to gain more frames.

Personally I think PC is the superior platform for a lot of reasons. Except for exclusives, consoles don't have any real advantage.