Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

If anything I find the idea that entertainment isn't art and that art is somehow some higher form of... whatever, more pretentious. Entertainment is an art.

@gcunit Gah, my head is really going to hurt trying to type this. Entertainment isn't an art. Performing is an art. Film making is an art. Painting is an art. But the product they make is either made for purpose e.g a puzzle game is designed to perplex a player so they are entertained playing it or a context outside it's purpose communicating a different expression which is more a piece of art. I'm not willing to say one form is higher than the other as both require adept skill and knowledge (although some modern art seems to buck this trend in my eyes lmao), but fundamentally, their purpose is different. MC Esher's Relativity plays around with the idea of perspective. The eshop game The Bridge draws inspiration from MC Esher to make a puzzle game. One is art, the other is entertainment. Sure, programming is an art (some would argue it is a skill much like drawing or painting), but they have made a piece of entertainment, not art. Maybe...I don't know anymore lol. I'm gonna bow out of this discussion because I'm not clever enough to convey what I mean lol!

@GrailUK Art can be both a process and a product in my book. Mona Lisa is a work of art; Mona Lisa is art. 1-2 Switch is a work of art; 1-2 Switch is art.

@gcunit Ye. Please don't think I am trying to say you are wrong either mate Christ, I'm not that arrogant. Maybe Nintendo games are Dadaist masterpieces protesting against war, poverty and capitalism. It would certainly explain some of their business decisions hahah!

@GrailUK @gcunit I think defining 'art' is a debate that is never going to be resolved on a Nintendo fansite or anywhere else for that matter anytime soon. I personally think everyday entertainment and art are very different concepts and that while the everyday can be beautiful and art can also be beautiful this doesn't mean that the everyday is art. I think everyone can have there own definition of art thats cool but you know its a Sunday afternoon I've just had a lovely meal with my wife and kids and I'm going to lay back and play some Super Mario Party with them I'll leave the philosophical debates to you'll.

@bluemage1989 Ye. Let's just draw a line under it and move on.

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@ReaderRagfish Yeah agreed. The best forms of art doesn't come from trying so hard, it just comes naturally by just creating the best possible product you can get. Games like Dark Souls, Xenogears, Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, Halo 1, Chrono Trigger, and etc fit that bill pretty nicely if you ask me. But if you really really try hard to be art inherently like what Braid does, you'll miss the mark pretty badly (and Braid kinda fails at that whereas Dark Souls succeeds better).

And besides, some works of art commonly used also doubled as entertainment. As an example, Charles Dickens' books may seem like stuffy old books all about doom and gloom like A Tale of Two Cities, but they were actually written as funny books for its time for entertainment. Of course we know of books like those for being more profound and deep, but for the time there was actual humorous qualities that only really stick for people of that time period.

Of course at the end of the day, right now the term "art" is so abstract and arbitrary that before anyone argues if anything is art, the term "art" needs to be defined with hard guidelines.

At this rate I wonder in how many pages from now you guys will have defined the very meaning of life!

Duh, it's 42. Everyone knows that the ultimate answer to the ultimate question of Life, The Universe, and Everything is 42. The real problem is that nobody knows what the question it's self is.

Life only exists to play video games.

Anyone who disagrees is wrong. :^]

No, life is what happens when you're busy making other plans.

@EvilLucario
But my life is Not for gaming entirely.
There are another things i must do like drawing, giving a private lessons, doing my chores, etc.

@FaeKnight Life is what happens when you’re neglecting to play video games 😂

Sometimes you're Partying with Mario. Others you recieve a message on Xbox Live saying "HA, now you'll pay! I hope they kill you, you damn red shell cheating bass!" a few minutes before you get SWATed while playing World of Kefflings online by someone who's salty that you cut them off a couple times that week in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.

No, seriously. That literally just happened to me, the local SWAT team just left. I hadn't even known we had a swat team here until now. I saw red lights through the blinds, and thought it was the pizza I'd ordered. So I was rather surprised when I open the door just as SWAT was about to break it down.

Also, ow... Those battering rams HURT if they hit you by accident. As I was dealing with the police I convinced them to let me check the message I'd recently gotten on Xbox Live since I had a bad feeling about it. The police were not amused by the message since it indicated they'd been crank called by someone that was trying to get me killed.

If this is the reason why we don't have any news from RETRO STUDIOS since Tropical Freeze, I swear I will never forgive Nintendo... The RAREWARE period still sticks in my throat...

@Cobalt I don't get it?

@OorWullie That's his thing, being purposefully obscure and vague so it seems he knows something we don't do. But he won't explain what it is about

@Cobalt Nintendo is shrinking. Maybe it's time to support them instead of launching another smear campaign against them if you want to save the japanese industry. Because Sony clearly showed they don't care about it and only care about big budget western games.

@OorWullie

Klobrille (a guy who got a lot of infos right several times) said that Microsoft has view on several studios (apparently Obsidian Entertainment is close to be bought) BUT he said that there is a TEXAN studio that could be the next one sort of... :/

So, Retro Studio is not the only studio from Texas but when you cross the fact that we have no news from RETRO STUDIOS for a long time, hummmm it's like it smells not really good...

I hope that I'm wrong but it's a possibility that RETRO STUDIO could become a MicroSoft studio in a near future... like RareWare back then...

@Cobalt Thanks for the explanation. A kind request/word of advice: if you would include this info with your initial post, you'll probably come across a lot friendlier.