@JaxonH But that's but your speculation, or do you have any facts to back that up? People buy the Switch for console quality stuff on the go, you can still offer the console quality stuff on a pure handheld, just saying
Do you have any facts backing up your claim? According to Nintendo themselves, the vast majority plays in both modes.
I repeat, there is no business reason to take away the docking. None at all.
@JaxonH@Therad I'm looking at the reasons why it sells, and thinking why they aren't going all in on that, if that's where they're strongest, the prime reason the Switch is bought, why not go all in? They could probably put more resources in improving stuff like battery then, who knows!
Also, that's the people who registered. How many people did not register, and how do they play?
One part of it stands in an oversaturated market that wants power, the other in handheld where Nintendo stands strong. Says enough, to be frank.
Also just to add "Nintendo’s concern internally is that allowing consumers to attach large external drives to the Dock will cause players to see the system as less inherently portable, harming their core branding for the system as a portable home console." http://letsplayvideogames.com/2016/10/report-nintendo-switch-... Tells me how Nintendo looks at the Switch.
This is a classic example of how people react when they don't want to believe something. It doesn't matter how many facts are presented, how much evidence is shown, or how much common sense it makes... person refuses to believe anything other than what they want to believe there's no point in trying to convince them otherwise.
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@JaxonH Ironic, I could say the same of you. But what you don't know, and probably don't believe, is that I'm playing Devil's Advocate to find legitimacy in the dock. I'm merely exploring the outer corners here.
@electrolite77 I've mentioned you the reasons why. They can make it cheaper, and thus more readily accessible for people, they'll avoid comparison with the PS4/Xbox One which they love to do and they'll have no competition whatsoever. Seems like the ideal situation from a business standpoint.
Switch will go cheaper over time anyway. While it sells the price is fine. Making it handheld-only would be making it cheaper at the cost of greatly reducing the functionality. It would make sense if nobody ever used it docked but that patently isn't the case.
I also don't think they care about people comparing the resolution of third-party games on the Switch to the equivalent on PS4 as long as it's selling. Certainly not enough to drop the entire USP of the Switch and throw away their remaining presence in the home Console market.
As for competition, they wouldn't have any less by going handheld-only.
@JaxonH Ironic, I could say the same of you. But what you don't know, and probably don't believe, is that I'm playing Devil's Advocate to find legitimacy in the dock. I'm merely exploring the outer corners here.
Why are you trying to find legitimacy in something that all available statistics show a majority of existing users take advantage of? I genuinely can't think of how you could need any more legitimacy.
Nintendo see the Switch as a home Console and a handheld. Have done since day 1. That has never changed.
@JaxonH Ironic, I could say the same of you. But what you don't know, and probably don't believe, is that I'm playing Devil's Advocate to find legitimacy in the dock. I'm merely exploring the outer corners here.
The dock is hardly expensive though, it's just overpriced. The real price savings would come from not having to have detachable joycons with motion controllers and hd rumble. But they've already painted themselves into a corner by releasing games that make use of all the different configurations of joycons. It would probably be some consumer backlash if you couldn't play all Switch games on all Switches.
@UmniKnight
No you couldn't say the same of me because I actually have evidence on my side.
I form my beliefs based on the evidence I see, whereas you are the complete opposite. You form a belief first, and then accept or reject evidence depending on whether it supports said belief. If I saw evidence that suggested a pure handheld sold better than Switch then I would say ok, that's clearly the better method. But there is no evidence suggesting that. In fact the evidence is exactly opposite of that.
This hybrid system is out selling the 3DS. It's right there! Right there. If handhelds sold more then Switch would be doing worse than 3DS. The fact it's not only doing better but blowing it away, and doing so 7 years after the 3DS launched which even then the handheld market was shrinking... it's irrefutable evidence. Irrefutable.
And the study that shows how many people use the system as a hybrid cannot be dismissed. You can do statistical tests on the sample size and generate a margin of error. Normally distributed populations of data can be predicted with extreme accuracy with only a few thousand samples. It's how politicians and news outlets predict the outcomes of elections with a margin of error of just 2-4%... EVEN IF you assumed the data was biased, it's not going to be off more than a few percent.
The data is irrefutable. The common sense of the matter is irrefutable. If you illuminate either half of the hybrid system you throw away 50% of the demand right then and there. And for what? For what? A $50 lower price tag? If you throw away the handheld aspect it fails miserably. You throw away the console aspect and it will still succeed and do well, but clearly not as well. The more people the system appeals to the more people will buy it. The whole reason the system has caught on like wildfire is specifically because it's a hybrid. Take away either half and it's no longer a hybrid and it's no longer a sensation.
Now, you can believe it or not, but that's what it is. Clearly Nintendo knows more than you do and all their experts and market analysts deemed this the best approach to take. And I don't think UmniKnignt knows better than a multi billion dollar corporation with 30 years experience in the console market on how to stay relevant and appeal to both console and handheld gamers and solve the issue of not having enough first party software to support two platforms at once and how to make a hit platform in today's market...
@electrolite77 "As for competition, they wouldn't have any less by going handheld-only." I'm guessing you mean mobile?
You can say that, but that message of not wanting the system to seem less portable, tells me they wouldn't do anything with their computing device patent either, since that would DEFINITELY make it less portable: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae1552f627634d2e5ecc11a1... And yet that patent device would only enforce the home-console part of the hybrid.
So, that brings us to another discussion: What is that patent for?
@JaxonH I'm not saying I know better than them, but for all their infinite wisdom they also made Wii-U, just saying.
@Agriculture Fair point on the dock, I'm still sad they didn't make better use of all that empty space.
@UmniKnight This hybrid system is out selling the 3DS. It's right there! Right there. If handhelds sold more then Switch would be doing worse than 3DS. The fact it's not only doing better but blowing it away, and doing so 7 years after the 3DS launched which even then the handheld market was shrinking... it's irrefutable evidence. Irrefutable.
You can't just take a number out of context and think it proves anything. All consoles that have ever sold well have done so because of the games you can buy for them. The Switch had both Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey. Nothing on the 3DS even comes close to those games.
Then there's the whole issue of who is buying the consoles. The average person who has bought a Nintendo Switch is way older than 3DS-buyers (http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/average-age-of-switch-owners-skew-higher-than-for-the-3ds-which-is-why-they-continue-to-support-it.454963014/). Older people tend to have much more disposable income, which makes it easier to be an early adopter of the Switch.
@UmniKnight Backup, a good company needs to be able to adapt to the situation at hand. If the data showed that most people were using the Switch as a handheld then Nintendo would think about making a dockless only version of the Switch and if it was the other way maybe Nintendo would consider a docked only version of the Switch. But the data shows that the hybrid nature of the Switch is used the most so Nintendo will stick with their current version and monitor as time progresses.
Time is the key here, the data now may not be the same as the data in a few years and Nintendo's games will affect it. For example, the mainline Pokemon games suit handheld mode more than docked mode.
@Agriculture Didn't the 3DS do really bad until it got a price-cut and a Mario game?
@Grumblevolcano You think we'll see any other games, save for those like Voez and Severed that NEED handheld only for touch-screen, that relegate stuff to either part? It would clash with "hybrid", so I'm sceptical.
@UmniKnight does one half of the Switch really sit in an oversaturated market that only desires power though?
That's the perception but then that was the perception before the Wii launched too and that console cleaned up. Perhaps the actual market for home consoles is much bigger but hidden from view because all of the competition from Sony and Microsoft is over a very small island in a very big ocean.
Perhaps there's a big market out there for the next 'Just Dance' or 'Wii Sports'? (I don't just mean the next instalments - I mean the next series that hits the same demographics) Abandon the home market and you abandon any hope of capturing that audience.
More pointedly Nintendo has sold millions of NES and SNES minis. That alone says that there's a huge underserved audience for a less powerful home console that offers something completely different to the PS4 and Xbox One.
On top of all that - the hybrid play is hugely appealing to indies. It's perhaps the thing that makes people most likely to buy indie games on Switch over the alternatives and could (should) lead to Switch becoming an indie powerhouse - something which benefits it greatly as a handheld too.
@StuTwo I've got a feeling the NES/SNES part points to people growing up with those being quite a few, and now having money and strong nostalgia, which compels them to buy it.
I agree with the indie part. As for the Wii part, that was a time before smartphones, and I don't think we'll see another time like that.
@Agriculture
It's not out of context. If someone wants to make an allegation that the Switch would be better off as a handheld (which first it was console, then when that argument fell apart it changed to handheld... come on) then there is only one thing to do, and that is look at the sales numbers. That is the only context that is relevant. Of course there's a number of factors that will play in but at the end of the day, the general trend is what matters. And right now Switch is super hot, and when you look at the data to see why people bought it, it's clear that it's because of the hybrid nature.
I don't know how else to put it. How about this- any person making the allegations can bring their own evidence to show why they're right... otherwise lets move on.
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