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Therad

SLIGEACH_EIRE wrote:

That's why I've said to properly get setup with a Switch you're looking at a lot extra on top of €330. You need a Pro controller, carry case if you're taking it out, screen protector, a memory card, a powerbank battery again if you're travelling, a game(both Wii and Wii U came with a game), etc.

The only thing of those things you listed is game (and in one instance, a memory card), the rest are extras. You don't need those things, it works perfectly fine in all three modes without them.

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Ralizah

SLIGEACH_EIRE wrote:

That's why I've said to properly get setup with a Switch you're looking at a lot extra on top of €330. You need a Pro controller, carry case if you're taking it out, screen protector, a memory card, a powerbank battery again if you're travelling, a game(both Wii and Wii U came with a game), etc.

OK, let's apply this ridiculous logic to the Wii U.

Now, the Wii U, unlike the Switch, is a pure home console, which means you need an HDTV to enjoy it properly. Unlike the Switch, it also only comes with one controller, which means you need to buy a Pro controller for multiplayer with a lot of games. It also needs an external hard drive, since some games are too big to fit in the internal memory. Also, protective armor for the GamePad in case a child uses it.

Looks like the Wii U was secretly a $1000+ console, Slig.

Or we could both just admit that this train of thought is juvenile and stupid.

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SLIGEACH_EIRE

@Therad You need a Pro controller if you want to play 2D games properly. You need a screen protector if you don't want your screen scratched. You need other things depending on where and how long you play for.

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Octane

The screen protector argument is BS. Because you don't need it and none of my touch screen systems (phones, handhelds, GamePad, etc.) came with a screen protector.

The only argument you can make is that you're paying extra for portability if you don't use that feature.

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Ralizah

Oh crud, I've been playing 2D games all this time without a pro controller! Guess I haven't been doing it "properly."

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OorWullie

I'm having zero issues using the Joy-con analogue stick for my 2D games. It surprises me as I've never been able to use analogue for 2D before, but the Joy-con stick is so short it works a treat. I'm able to get high up the leaderboards in Neo Geo games with it so it's good enough for me. The Pro controller D-pad on the other hand is not good and more needs to be said about this. For overhead 2D games it's a nightmare. I really noticed it when playing Shock Troopers. I press up quickly sometimes it shoots diagonal. I press right or left quickly it sometimes shoots diagonal, very frustrating. My Pro controller is now my Splatoon and BOTW controller, everything else I use the Joy-con. I plan on getting a 8bitdo pad and an arcade stick. I'm confident the 8bitdo D pad will be superior to the Pro's. What were Nintendo thinking when designing that.

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Therad

SLIGEACH_EIRE wrote:

@Therad You need a Pro controller if you want to play 2D games properly. You need a screen protector if you don't want your screen scratched. You need other things depending on where and how long you play for.

You are confusing wanting and needing. You have everything in the box you need. Even a screen protector isn't necessary.

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Therad

If we want to talk bs extra cost, paying for online is a good candidate. That is a paywall that shouldn't be tolerated.

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skywake

It's as simple as this. Most end users don't want or need a Pro Controller and a fair chunk of them are only ever going to buy a handful of games. And even those that do buy enough games that they might run out of storage are unlikely to be downloading everything. A lot of users are never going to take their Switch outside of their house and so don't need a case or screen protector.

You can whine all you want about Nintendo not including all of the things you needed in the box. Frankly it hasn't made any difference to you because you can still buy that extra stuff. If they did include all that stuff in the box? Those other users, the ones who don't want or need that stuff, would have had no choice but to pay more. You can add items to your cart, they can't take items out of a SKU.

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Nicolai

@SLIGEACH_EIRE You're looking at a proud 2D platformer player who does it just fine with the joycons. Sure, the D-pad is better, but it's far from a necessity imo.

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Haruki_NLI

@Nicolai Joycon here too.

Thing is @SLIGEACH_EIRE you need to understand the term mandatory purchase.

If it is a mandatory purchase, it means something will not function without it. No Switch game fails if you lack the Pro-Controller. No Switch hardware or software requires a screen protector. Technically, only some games mandate extra storage, the amount and cost of which is down to the individual, if that game even interests them as a purchase in the first place.

You know what is mandatory to play Switch games though?

A console and contents of the box within, A game, some time to play said game. That's all you need.

Hell, dare I say this, to play on my PS4 I'd have to buy a TV. That's a mandatory purchase for the system, if you don't have one too! Let's riot!

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@MegaTen Nice! I can't wait to see what else NI brings to the system. I need more hours in the day and some powerball numbers...why is the Switch so much fun to use?!

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Haruki_NLI

Im not sure if Sony's marketing hold on FIFA18 extends to Switch...as it was just the first game in an add for Switch showing that, Splatoon and another game.

Well played Nintendo.

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Octane

@BLP_Software Marketing rights doesn't mean you won't see any ads of the Switch version at all. It means that a general FIFA ad is preceded by the PlayStation logo. They can still show FIFA in a ''Switch'' ad.

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skywake

BLP_Software wrote:

You know what is mandatory to play Switch games though? A console and contents of the box within, A game, some time to play said game. That's all you need.

Hell, dare I say this, to play on my PS4 I'd have to buy a TV. That's a mandatory purchase for the system, if you don't have one too! Let's riot!

The PS4 not coming with a TV is an awesome example to use to ridicule. But there are better examples of consoles that did not coming with stuff that was required in some way. Just going through the Nintendo systems I've had over the years....

Gameboy:
Came with a carrying case which was nice. Didn't come with a mains power adaptor, they assumed you'd be chewing through batteries. Mine didn't come with a game. Didn't come with a link cable which is baffling in hindsight when you remember the two biggest hits on the system were Tetris and Pokemon.

SNES:
Again, often didn't come with a game. The SKU I got late in the console's life came with a Super Gameboy so I got Super Mario World and Super Mario Kart separately. The video cables it came with were the crappy RF ones which gave it greater compatibility though it surely wouldn't have hurt to also include AV cables. And only one controller in the box which with hindsight is interesting given the SNES Mini comes with two.

DS:
No games, no case. No ability to get free content either unless you physically walked to it. At least it had multiplayer out of the box this time.

Wii:
Only one controller in the box and it couldn't do everything. If you wanted to play classic games from the SNES or N64 you needed a different controller. If you wanted to play later Motion Plus enabled games you needed to buy an extra bit or a new controller. Again, no multiplayer out of the box except for controller sharing in Wii Sports. Yes this was the first Nintendo console to have digital content. However the way it was implemented seriously restricted what games could exist on the platform and how convenient it was to run them.

3DS:
No carrying case bundled and I don't think there has been for any Nintendo system since the Gameboy Pocket. The earlier SKUs did not come with the second analogue stick, you had to buy that separately. The later SKUs in some regions didn't come with a power adaptor. Did we get games with it? Kinda. At least storage was a resolvable issue this time around and has remained so.

Wii U:
Again for Nintendo home consoles, no multiplayer out of the box. Not only that but the game bundled with the system along with a few others needed Wii Remotes to work. Same deal with the Wii games they eventually made available for download. They just assumed you already had WiiMotes which... was probably a fair assumption. At least it came with the best AV cables for the system this time.

Switch:
Out of the box I have the best AV cable, the right power cables and a controller that can play all of the games. Not only that but I can also have multiplayer out of the box both with someone else's system AND just on my own system. I think those things coming with the system by default means way more than a case I won't like and a game I will put on my shelf. The most feature complete console out of the box I have ever got.

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