Topic: The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild

@Monkey_Balls I love Aonumas reaction at 11:21!
I think he meant that Jirard couldn't complete it in a one week time frame.
Haha, coincidentally I linked the video time signature at where the gogs and wheels you mention are shown, before reading your post carefully..

@Haru17 @Octane @Maxz Oh, and one thing I noticed from the third trailer, is that there's going to be at least two types of Shrines. The Sheikah controlled blue, intact and sealed ones that have the monk at the end, and Calamity Ganon corrupted ones that are more brownish and have Ganon's goo all over the place. You can see it at 3:01 in the third trailer.

@Maxz True, but if that's the case, then either the translator did a terrible job (and I mean making stuff up kind of terrible) or Aonuma was talking nonsense.

All I can say regarding my period of playtime with this game: Goodbye non-work life. 100%Ing this game will take me ages.

@Tyranexx That's the spirit! Ironically, the game comes right after my Spring holiday week.

I thought so too but even after watching a few times I still can't be sure.

[@ 1:45]
Jirard: "My job on YouTube has become a unique one over the years. Every week I take one video game and in less than 7 days I do my best to 100% beat it, and complete every aspect about it, and I talk about my journey. With BotW, the journey is obviously going to take me more than 7 days, but when creating such a rich world like Zelda how does it feel to finally reach the end of the journey of creating this game?"
Aonuma: "Well, first of all it's going to be impossible for you to 100% complete Breath of the Wild!"
J: "I like the challenge."
A: "Oh, yes, please! Take on the challenge!"

[@ 7:48]
A: "If you want, you can actually approach the final boss from the get-go."
J: "That's awesome."
Miyamoto: "You might be able to beat the game in one day! Well, maybe not everything."
A: "So, you're trying to do everything? Your goal is not just to beat the final boss?"
J: "I've gotta get every, single thing in this game."
A: "Yeah, that's impossible. Though, you can you go to the final boss. But if you try to beat it, you'll likely be defeated. In order to beat the boss, you'll need to make Link stronger. In order to do that you'll need to explore the world and look for items. After playing long enough you'll be experienced enough to sense when you're ready to battle the final boss. It's almost like choosing your own destiny!"
M: "How you navigate the game is really up to you. You can choose when you want to beat the game or battle the final boss. It's been a long time since we've made a game like this. You can choose how Link gets powered up. You might want to increase your stamina, or you might want to increase your hearts. Aside from that, there's such a diverse world to play in and explore with this game."

[@ 11:20 - Jirard details how he's finished every Zelda game 100%]
A: "Oh man! You may be able to complete it!" (chuckles)

I don't know... the talk of being able to choose when you complete the game - sensing when to battle the boss via experience (rather than being informed via story?) - and how to upgrade Link's abilities (deciding between stamina or hearts) makes me wonder if BotW can actually be completed 100% in one play through (if at all). It seems pretty open ended.

Regarding the shrines with Ganon's goo, maybe they are the four boss dungeons? Oh, and BotW's release date is a day after my birthday. I'm hoping the gaming Gods (well, Amazon) deliver it early...

@Monkey_Balls Hahah, well you'll have another party when it finally arrives!
I ordered from Amazon as well. The delivery takes some time, so the question is do they ship like a day before so it'll arrive on launch day or as close to it as possible, or do they ship at launch day? ;p

@Moshugan I've been using Amazon (UK) for years. They generally ship pre-orders a few days before launch. Most of my pre-orders have arrived 1-2 days before release date. Of course, now I've jinxed it, meaning my BotW order will be delayed somehow...

The real question is: Do I also keep my Switch/BotW pre-order or just stick with the Wii U version? Think I'll be contemplating that one for a while yet.

@Monkey_Balls @Octane

Speaking of slightly iffy translations, the subtitles under Jirard's video don't tell the whole story. For example, Mr. Aonuma's reply to "...how does it feel to finally reach the end of the journey of creating this game?" at 2:13 is (verbatim):

"まず、一週間で全クリは無理です（笑）"

Which should really be translated as:

"First of all, [let me say that] 100% clearing it within a week is impossible (laughs)"

Stick the above sentence into Google Translate if you're curious. It probably won't recognise the "全クリ" bit (a slightly unusual word formed by mixing the character for 'entire/whole' with the first two syllables of the English word 'clear' [à la Pokémon smooshing together 'Pocket' and 'Monsters'] to give an analogous term to what we would call "100%ing something"). However, "一週間で" is completely unambiguous. It means, "within/during a week". I'm not sure whether the translator at the event dropped that part, or whether it was dropped during the subtitling phase, but either way it should really be there. It's very explicitly stated.

EDIT: With the rest of the quotes, I don't believe there's been anything much left out. There's a bit of natural ambiguity about the time frame even without things getting lost in translation, but it's my belief that after the point that Mr. Miyamoto says "You might be able to clear the game in one day" (and then falls back on the sofa laughing), that becomes the established time frame for the rest of the conversation. Mr. Aonuma clarifies, "but you want to clear everything, not just beat the boss, right?", to which Jirard basically says "yes" and Aonuma replies "in that case it's impossible (smiles)". It's basically clarifying what Mr. Miyamoto's meant in his comment about being able to "clear" the game in a day. Beat the boss? Yes. 100% clear everything? Nope.

Long story short, the game has quite a lot of content (which we knew), and an extremely open ended structure which allows you to "approach" the boss pretty much immediately (which we knew). There's nothing in the interview to suggest that the game is in any way uncompletable (or un-100%-able), and it seems unlikely, given how the game encourages you to explore every aspect of its wide world. Demanding multiple playthroughs of an already gargantuan game seems excessive.

It's a nice interview anyway. I like how Jirard doesn't shy away from making it all soppy and emotional and stuff. Even if he thinks "synonymous" is synonymous with "renowned".

@Maxz That's some really fascinating insight! It does seem strange that the translator would drop such an important time signifier — it seemed like the entire quote was relying on it.

@Haru17 Yeah, it's... pretty poor to be honest. It's quite pivotal to the meaning of the sentence, and I can't believe the translator didn't pick up on it because it's perfectly enunciated, and also one of the most basic, common pieces of information to translate. You might well learn it... within a week of studying the language (ba-dum-tish!). But seriously, you might.

What we get instead is:

"It's going to be impossible for you to 100% complete Breath of the Wild!"

Which sounds like a pretty absolute declaration. I'm not surprised @Monkey_Balls was tempted to take it at face value.

Further muddying the waters is that the word used - "無理/muri" - doesn't necessary mean "literally impossible". It can equally mean, "absurd", "ridiculous" or "unreasonable".

So even within a week, there haven't been any concrete statements made about absolutely impossibility of the task. I suspect it is possible, but as Mr. Aonuma might have put it, probably pretty ridiculous for the average player to attempt.

Then again, people seemingly shot to level 50 in Splatoon almost overnight (it's taken me months and I'm still not there). That was pretty ridiculous, and I even recall one of the developers voicing some concern for the players who did it. So yeah, the ridiculous and the impossible are not the same thing, and among some gamers, doing the ridiculous doesn't even seem that uncommon.

And on that note, I need some sleep. Night night!

I didn't get that for a second, but that's some pretty epic wordplay. Great job

I bet when it says you can fight the boss immediately it means you need like 10 different bits of equipment to even damage him through some elaborate sequence of actions. So you can fight him immediately but you won't yet be able to bounce off the ground with the Hylian Pogo Stick and cling onto the edge of the castle using the Goron Strength Gloves before jump down with slow motion and shooting Calamity Gannon with the Monado Arrows.

@Dezzy You had me until 'Monado arrows.'

I'm sure blue-glowing fantasy weapons go back way further than Star Wars.

But anyway, I hope Link gets the power bracelets / golden gauntlets so he can just chuck those boulders around. Just imagine him playing a more physical version of Dead Man's Volley with a Hinox, or using the gauntlets in conjunction with stasis for some weird, time-bendy physics hijinks.

Probably not much. You forget how bad the special effects were in the original Star Wars. That's the special edition picture you've got there. The original lightsabers looked terrible.

@mjharper Links Awakening lacked the Triforce. And Ganon...and Zelda...

@Dezzy I won't stand for any Star Wars bad mouthing around here!

@Monkey_Balls That would be great if they shipped few days before launch date!! The approximate arrival time is marked "between 7th and 9th" for me (2-4 day delivery).

@Maxz Thanks for the insight!

@Moshugan Thank you for all your investigative... forum-ism on the previous page! It's good to know that dungeons don't seem to be completely off the cards!

@Maxz My pleasure!

@Moshugan My Amazon says February 28th and arriving March 3rd (i have Prime), if it can help