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TuVictus

They're gonna have to make the open world way more substantial to explore if they're gonna use it again. No more random enemy camps with nothing but a fragile weapon as a reward. I guess shrines would make a come back since they're easy (and kinda lazy) ways to just plop puzzles down in any part of the environment. Otherwise they'd need to redesign the world to have way more and varied natural puzzles embedded into it, and I just don't see that happening, sadly

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Octane

@Dezzy I remember Aonuma talking about being able to tackle dungeons from multiple sides. Maybe they're doing 12-15 large underground dungeons, but each with multiple entrances above ground. That way you can still stumble upon an entrance to the underground, but without having all the separate shrines.

Maybe they could make it so that you need to find other entrances in order to advance in the dungeons. So you go underground, do what you can until you hit a wall, find another entrance and solve the rest of the puzzle from the other side, so it opens up a path or whatever.

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But then once you've done a dungeon, all of the other entrances are effectively pointless.

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Octane

@Dezzy Yeah, but they could make it so that you need to enter at least 8 out of 10 entrances to complete the whole dungeon. So each portion will have its own "shrine-like" puzzle section, but they all connect to a larger dungeon with a proper boss at the end. And they could be themed as well.

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DarthNocturnal

I hope breakable weapons get removed. I disliked how everything felt “disposable“. I'd settle for dulling if they needed a reason to switch weapons around.

Maybe a weapon customization feature, using how cooking works as a base (mix ores and gems together to get weapons of different elements, for example).

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Well, the overabundance of invasive weaponry is a real problem Hyrule has.

Link is doing Hyrule a service by keeping it under control.

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Dezzy

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Well, the overabundance of invasive weaponry is a real problem Hyrule has.

Link is doing Hyrule a service by keeping it under control.

Lol this reminds me of the London police who posted they were removing dangerous weapons from the public, and the picture genuinely contained a spoon (and the knives are mostly regular kitchen knives you can buy in any shop.

Yes, this is genuinely real. The UK is a clown country.

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Good thing that knife sharpener will never hurt anyone again

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Dezzy

Octane wrote:

@Dezzy Yeah, but they could make it so that you need to enter at least 8 out of 10 entrances to complete the whole dungeon. So each portion will have its own "shrine-like" puzzle section, but they all connect to a larger dungeon with a proper boss at the end. And they could be themed as well.

They could also accomplish something like that without them needing to be physically connected. You could just have shrines that are grouped based on their design or colour or something. Then if you finish all of the shrines in a group, it unlocks a final boss arena.

I enjoy when they include kind of orienteering tasks in the larger world. One idea that would be cool is if the shrines are in these groups, each shrine in the group is facing in the direction of the next one. So you'd have to draw a line on your map, and keep following it until you find the next shrine in that group.
That's the sort of thing I love in Zelda.

They did stuff like that occasionally in BotW. There were the 2 shrines at the top of the twin peaks which were sibling shrines. There was also the shrine that you had to find by drawing a line between trees on the mountain (although some people probably just stumbled on it randomly anyway)

The other thing they should do is have a few more dungeons like Hyrule castle. Open and multifaceted, that you can complete in your own time throughout the game.

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iKhan

DarthNocturnal wrote:

I hope breakable weapons get removed. I disliked how everything felt “disposable“. I'd settle for dulling if they needed a reason to switch weapons around.

Maybe a weapon customization feature, using how cooking works as a base (mix ores and gems together to get weapons of different elements, for example).

@DarthNocturnal
I think BOTW would be completely non-functional without weapon durability. They game needs to drive you to pursue exploration and challenge enemies, and they can't do that if you just get a really good weapon you love and use it for the rest of the game.

I think they only way a customization feature could really work to replacement would be if they created a whole new class of collectibles, and customizations were merely upgrades that expired after a certain amount of use.

Many other 3D Zelda games really struggle with the "useless collectible/ money" problem, wherein by the time you are halfway through the game, nothing has any value anymore. BOTW overcomes this by culling rewards over time.

PikPi wrote:

I guess shrines would make a come back since they're easy (and kinda lazy) ways to just plop puzzles down in any part of the environment. Otherwise they'd need to redesign the world to have way more and varied natural puzzles embedded into it, and I just don't see that happening, sadly

@PikPi
This sounds absolutely amazing. I really disliked how BOTW had this amazing sense of atmosphere that quickly got stale for the shrines and dungeons, which have traditionally been where atmosphere is at its max.

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Octane

@Dezzy I wouldn't say Hyrule Castle is a ''dungeon''. I just like to see the return of more traditional dungeons. Shrines were neat, but they couldn't iterate on a similar puzzle concept, because you could do them in any order. By having a more structured, and interconnected dungeon design, they could follow up puzzles with more complex ones, and/or introduce new rules.

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iKhan wrote:

DarthNocturnal wrote:

I hope breakable weapons get removed. I disliked how everything felt “disposable“. I'd settle for dulling if they needed a reason to switch weapons around.

Maybe a weapon customization feature, using how cooking works as a base (mix ores and gems together to get weapons of different elements, for example).

@DarthNocturnal
I think BOTW would be completely non-functional without weapon durability. They game needs to drive you to pursue exploration and challenge enemies, and they can't do that if you just get a really good weapon you love and use it for the rest of the game.

I think they only way a customization feature could really work to replacement would be if they created a whole new class of collectibles, and customizations were merely upgrades that expired after a certain amount of use.

Many other 3D Zelda games really struggle with the "useless collectible/ money" problem, wherein by the time you are halfway through the game, nothing has any value anymore. BOTW overcomes this by culling rewards over time.

PikPi wrote:

I guess shrines would make a come back since they're easy (and kinda lazy) ways to just plop puzzles down in any part of the environment. Otherwise they'd need to redesign the world to have way more and varied natural puzzles embedded into it, and I just don't see that happening, sadly

@PikPi
This sounds absolutely amazing. I really disliked how BOTW had this amazing sense of atmosphere that quickly got stale for the shrines and dungeons, which have traditionally been where atmosphere is at its max.

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The shrines were just little appetizers for me. Never really the full course a traditional dungeon is. The Devine beasts were cool and all but they needed more puzzles and items and I wouldve been happy

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Eh, traditional dungeons we’re becoming stale so I was glad they changed it up a bit. I don’t want any returning. Something new and better is what I expect and I think they’ll deliver.

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Dezzy

Octane wrote:

@Dezzy I wouldn't say Hyrule Castle is a ''dungeon''.

It's nearly a dungeon. Stick some puzzles in there and maybe gate-off some of the higher areas to be unlocked slowly, and it'd pretty much count.

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Therad

I think the beasts were fine, but a bit samey. They should have differentiate them a bit more, they all had the moving mechanic.

But don't forget botw had some more organic dungeonesque areas as well. Those were fun.

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Eel

I don’t see any negative to adding interesting locations that enhance the lore and wonder of the land.

Dungeons are just that.

The Lomei mazes were ten times more interesting to me than any random shrine as repetitive as they were. Just because they we’re so weird.

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CanisWolfred

Therad wrote:

...But don't forget botw had some more organic dungeonesque areas as well. Those were fun.

I'd prefer more of those, rather than yet another trap-filled maze separated from the rest of the game world that I have to slog through if I want to progress. Those were elements that I only ever tolerated in the Zelda franchise.

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I feel it would make sense for there to be a compromise between how the Divine Beasts worked and traditional Zelda dungeons. The Divine Beasts were actually really cool for what they were, but they were too similar to each other, and didn't make up for how large the game was compared to previous Zeldas. I feel like there's also a compromise between old Zelda giving you key items that make sense for the temple specifically, and BOTW giving you all the best stuff as random items from enemies or during the tutorial shrines.

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