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SwitchForce

Eel wrote:

Well, it will once people stop posting here.

I see no reason to forcibly close it.

When that comes then it comes. It only stops when the Super Nintendo Switch or it's name comes out then we can see where this goes. But rumors are rumors that's how it goes.

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sixrings

So part of the reason the switch pro became a rumour was that because third parties wanted to show their games at e3 which would have pro enhancements. Can someone please point me to the games which would have used pro enhancements? Strange brigade? Creed? Monkey ball?

And if there wasn’t any games does that give sufficient proof that there likely was never going to be a switch pro showing nor will there be any time soon?

And if you dedicate $100 to the Nate the Hate podcast is it possible to ask for a refund?

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sixrings

ThanosReXXX

Wow, there's some REALLY smart commenters underneath that NintendoEverything article. At least they know and understand the what's what of Nintendo's statements, instead of trying to mangle them into something that they aren't.

Nintendo/Doug Bowser:

“We are always looking at technology and how technology can enhance gameplay experiences. It’s not technology for technology’s sake. It’s how specifically can technology enhance a gameplay experience. And then where do you apply that technology? Do you want to apply it on current existing hardware or platforms, or do you want to wait for the next platform? And then what’s the right gameplay experience with that? There’s a host of factors that goes into it, and it’s something we’re always looking at.”

And

“when it comes to Switch, the console is redefining what a console life cycle can look like, and the vibrancy of that overall life cycle with a strong cadence of content.”

The tinfoil brigade:

See? DO YOU SEE? I friggin' told you so! Nintendo said it themselves, new hardware is coming, so that MUST be the Switch Pro, and they also said it's coming soon... somewhere between the lines... I'm so happy!

Meanwhile, back in real life, people that simply accept these statements for what they are, understand that this is basic Nintendo rhetoric, and something they usually say, almost every generation, when game journalists ask them what their plans for the future are. Miyamoto has said similar things, Iwata has said similar things and Reggie Fils-Aime has also said more or less the same when he was president, so nothing new under the sun, basically.

But yeah, as one of the smart commenters underneath that article said:

"A shame that statements like this won't stop the daily torrential floods of awful rumor articles."

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'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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NinChocolate

Holding to my prediction of June 25 for Switch upgrade announcement.

NinChocolate

Zeldafan79

Switch pro? I'd buy that for a dollar! Nothing but frustrated fanboys who can't stand that Nintendo has been at the bottom of gamings food chain since N64. They think doing what sony does is the only way they'll succeed so obviously lets make up stories about a switch pro and get everybody frothing at the mouth for Nintendos big uber console comeback!

Sad how many people fell for it. Now we wait for the switch true successor and no it wont be called switch pro. Probably still wont even be up to PS4 standards. I bet they don't even use the switch name. We all know what happened the last time they used the same name. Everyone thought it was an add on for wii.

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"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" Optimus Prime

ThanosReXXX

@Zeldafan79 Ever since the N64? No, my friend, that's not quite right. The GameCube was actually considerably more powerful than the PS2, and almost as powerful as the original Xbox, and it was even superior to that in some ways. To be specific, in terms of certain kinds of graphics processing, such as transparencies and so on.

The only, and might I add, typically Nintendo thing they subsequently did, is to instantly gimp it, out of their almost insane fear for piracy, by coming up with these weird mini DVDs, which were also more expensive to produce. Companies/developers/publishers didn't like that, and so slowly but surely, third party support began to crumble and fade into something awfully close to nothingness.

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'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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Zeldafan79

@ThanosReXXX

Yeah and tell me which console during the gamecube and PS2 era sold better? If that's not bottom of the gaming food chain i don't know what is. I just remember the first time people really started rolling their eyes at Nintendo and saying kiddie console was the N64. Still using carts in 1996 when the rest of the world moved to discs, Then there's the Gamecube mini discs. Using mini discs with half the space of PS2 games. On to Wii with a Non HD console in 2006. Then i don't even have to give you a reason for Wii U.

Aside from their first party stuff which is always great i can't remember the last time Nintendo was a respected game company. Maybe the Snes era.

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link3710

@Zeldafan79 By that definition they were at the top of the food chain during the Wii / DS days considering they outsold literally everything lol.

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Snatcher

@Slowdive Any thing for a sip of water.

Nintendo are like woman, You love them for whats on the inside, not the outside.

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skywake

ThanosReXXX wrote:

Nintendo/Doug Bowser:

“We are always looking at technology and how technology can enhance gameplay experiences. It’s not technology for technology’s sake. It’s how specifically can technology enhance a gameplay experience. And then where do you apply that technology? Do you want to apply it on current existing hardware or platforms, or do you want to wait for the next platform? And then what’s the right gameplay experience with that? There’s a host of factors that goes into it, and it’s something we’re always looking at.”

The tinfoil brigade:

See? DO YOU SEE? I friggin' told you so! Nintendo said it themselves, new hardware is coming, so that MUST be the Switch Pro, and they also said it's coming soon... somewhere between the lines... I'm so happy!

Meanwhile, back in real life, people that simply accept these statements for what they are, understand that this is basic Nintendo rhetoric, and something they usually say, almost every generation, when game journalists ask them what their plans for the future are.

I mean, you're not wrong in saying that it's a nothing statement. But being a nothing statement it says nothing. It doesn't confirm the existence of the Pro and it doesn't confirm that the Pro isn't a thing. Given what has been said and given the position Nintendo finds itself with the Switch? A revision is more likely than not. This statement from Nintendo and, frankly, the lack of announcement at E3 itself doesn't change that.

Frankly if anything it's the people saying it isn't happening who are reading into this statement. Let me quote one of the people from under the NL article who quoted the above statement directly and "translated" its meaning...

ThanosReXXX wrote:

Meaning:
No, we're NOT releasing a Switch Pro, we're simply always busy trying to find/invent/manufacture new hardware, and more importantly: new ways to play, as soon as the current generation of consoles is in stores, so we can prepare for the next generation. So, when we say future platform, we explicitly mean the next generation of consoles, NOT an intermediate iteration.

I mean, apparently this @ThanosReXXX guy knows something we don't. They have inside knowledge from Nintendo that a Switch Pro is most definitely not happening. I mean how else could they come to that conclusion? The statement quoted, as you said, is a complete nothing statement

But, putting on my "tinfoil hat" as a person of the "brigade" should rightly do. This statement is kinda interesting

DougBowser wrote:

“As we enter into our fifth year, Nintendo Switch really is redefining what a console life cycle can look like, and the vibrancy of that overall life cycle with a strong cadence of content"

Now the question I have is, what does a traditional console life cycle look like and how can it be changed? Because to me the traditional console lifecycle is what we've always had. A console releases, we get a bunch of new content, we get ports from previous generations taking advantage of new hardware. Then about 5-6 years later we get a new console that becomes the new platform. We get a bunch of new content and ports from previous generations etc, etc.

Now how could that change? I mean we already know how Sony and Microsoft are changing the traditional console cycle. They just extend the existing platform to the new "console cycles" and have "mid-cycle" hardware refreshes. There is no "XBox Two", we have hardware in the "XBox Series", multiple hardware SKUs and even PCs can play games on the "XBox platform". If Nintendo did this? I would call that redefining what a console life cycle looks like. And it starts with a hardware refresh that is not a clean slate i.e. something like a Switch Pro.

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HotGoomba

@skywake Oof, you got Thanos there.

Please, for the love of everything, don't click on the link on my profile.

You've been warned

skywake

Also if we're talking about Nintendo's medium to long term strategy it's probably worth going back to what their medium to long term plan before the Switch was. None of this is new, Nintendo has been openly talking about moving away from the traditional console cycle for a good 7 years now. So while the idea of a "Switch Pro" freaks out people who are somehow used to the traditional cycle, if they take that path it shouldn't come as a shock. If anything it would be surprising having set this up for them to abandon it.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/02/iwata_looking_to_em...

Iwata wrote:

Currently it requires a huge amount of effort to port Wii software to Nintendo 3DS because not only their resolutions but also the methods of software development are entirely different. The same thing happens when we try to port Nintendo 3DS software to Wii U. If the transition of software from platform to platform can be made simpler, this will help solve the problem of game shortages in the launch periods of new platforms. Also, as technological advances took place at such a dramatic rate, and we were forced to choose the best technologies for video games under cost restrictions, each time we developed a new platform, we always ended up developing a system that was completely different from its predecessor.

The only exception was when we went from Nintendo GameCube to Wii. Though the controller changed completely, the actual computer and graphics chips were developed very smoothly as they were very similar to those of Nintendo GameCube, but all the other systems required ground-up effort. However, I think that we no longer need this kind of effort under the current circumstances. In this perspective, while we are only going to be able to start this with the next system, it will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture. It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems.

[....]

I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models.

The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future.

Basically, 2014 Iwata says one platform is the way to go, what we can probably call "Switch OS" at this point. That's a good way forward because platform change as they had been doing it upto that point ties up development resources which decreases software output. Slow development output -> disappointed consumers -> poor sales. If they take that approach they can make as many hardware SKUs as they want because the software library will carry over. So they can potentially have multiple SKUs like a Switch, Switch Pocket, Switch Pro, Switch TV... you get the idea.

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GrailUK

@skywake I think a 20 year partnership with NVidia speaks volumes about the philosophy for Switch too.

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ThanosReXXX

@Zeldafan79 That's just down to marketing, not to power of a system, but re-reading your comment, I see that this is also what you meant, so my bad. Consider my previous comment not written.

@skywake Obviously, I was just being sarcastic. Of course I have no inside knowledge, but the same goes for all the rumor mongers and all the hopefuls. I'm just reading Bowser's statements as a classic Nintendo retort to questions they ALWAYS get, and probably have been getting ever since the NES, so in and of itself, these statements definitely do not contain any hidden meanings or references to any Switch upgrade.

And this statement also doesn't seem to allude to that, looking at it as objectively as possible:
“when it comes to Switch, the console is redefining what a console life cycle can look like, and the vibrancy of that overall life cycle with a strong cadence of content.”

If I read "redefining what a console life cycle can look like", then to me, that simply translates to that the Switch is going to be here for much longer than any of their previous consoles, but not necessarily that they're going to upgrade it to a new model. And currently, there also isn't any essential need for it either, seeing as all current models are still selling like crazy. They're probably going to overtake Wii sales numbers before long, if they keep this up.

So, yeah. Even though I was being kinda sarcastic, that is what I make from these statements, basically. Standard business speak, no promises for anything, other than an extended life cycle for their current console and an obvious statement about them always being busy with new hardware once the current model is out there. A statement that could basically also have come from Microsoft or Sony, for that matter.

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rallydefault

@Slowdive
Why would they take the time to make the score exactly that, though? Especially if it is an impossible score. Just kinda weird they would take the time to do that if everything else on the screen is pretty normal.

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rallydefault

@Slowdive
For sure... maybe it'll be about GBA games coming to NSO? haha

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Grumblevolcano

@rallydefault I feel if we were getting GBA games on NSO, we wouldn't have gotten the Advance Wars 1+2 remake because Advance Wars 1 and 2 would be part of the NSO collection.

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rallydefault

@Grumblevolcano
Yea, I said the same thing to myself when I blew 5 bucks on Mario Bros. lol

So frustrating.

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