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Zeldafan79

This is the place to discuss all things no more heroes. Favorite moments, memories or whatever.

So who's excited about the series coming to switch? I know i am!
My first question is does the switch port of the first game include the song heavenly star or did they remove it like the PS3 version? Might be a deal breaker for me if it's gone.

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Losermagnet

I've heard it's gone since it's based on the PS3 version, but I haven't confirmed this myself. I'm hyped that they're on Switch, but I'm gonna hold out to see if they do physical versions (I still have them on Wii, too).

Favorite moment? Hmmmm....the thing that comes immediately to mind is [spoilers for Travis Strikes Again] when Travis enters Shadows of the Damned. I'm a fan of Suda51 and Grasshopper MFG, but I really hated that game. Letting me explore it in a different context felt unique and special, it was a very "Suda51" thing to do.

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Zeldafan79

Wow not alot of people talking about these games. Has the series really become so forgotten and obscure?

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Matt_Barber

I really enjoyed the first two games back in the day but it's been a long time.

TSA wasn't exactly the sequel I was hoping for either, but fingers crossed for the new game.

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Zeldafan79

@Matt_Barber
Well technically TSA wasn't a sequel. More of a spin off to see if people were still interested in a full sequel.

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Gamer83

My favorite moment is probably right at the beginning of NMH 1 when he jumps off the bike, takes out his enemies and shouts 'f*** head' after he lands. I got the game the day it launched back in 2008 and that part always stuck with me. Knew I was in for a crazy ride and been fan of the series since. Really happy Nintendo and Grasshopper decided to bring the first two games to the Switch while we wait for 3.

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Zeldafan79

When i first played them it was near the end of the Wii's lifespan. I wasn't expecting much but i kept seeing all these glowing reviews of the game and decided what the heck. My Wii was collecting dust and i needed a reason to play it again so i gave no more heroes a shot. Really glad i did! I'm a sucker for a good beat em up and i thought it was cool how your character is basically cutting people in half with a lightsaber! The bosses are all pretty unique and interesting too! Oh did i mention you save your game by taking a dump LOL! How many games do you know that have something like that?

Anyway I'm just glad this series will get some well deserved recognition. Alot of people probably haven't even heard of these.

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Losermagnet

@Zeldafan79 Hopefully when NMH 3 is released it renews interest. However, Grasshopper games always seem very niche so perhaps it won't. In any case something else I really enjoy about the series is the mixture of oddball humor and somber moments. The way Holly Summers goes is genuinely sad. Travis may be an otaku, but he has a character arch thats very satisfying to be a part of. Also, shoutout to kicking a dumpster open and having it ejaculate coins. And the first time I got a t shirt that way made me chuckle too.

Have you played any other Suda games? If so, what're your thoughts? I really dig NMH, buy I'd say Killer7 and Flower, Sun, and Rain outrank them on my personal list. And I may be a weird one but I liked TSA more than Desperate Struggle. Gameplay in TSA was pretty rudimentary, buy I thought everything else was great.

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@Losermagnet
I've never played any other Suda games but i do have Killer 7 in my collection. Just haven't gotten around to playing it yet. I only recently picked it up. That's one game I've been meaning to check out. I do plan on getting TSA at some point. Any other Suda games i should look into? I'm not all that familiar with his work outside of no more heroes of course.

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Bankaj

As I'm not a fan of Beat'em'Up genre, I have skipped NMH entirely and only heard of it during the Wii U / Switch era when people starting nominating Travis Touchdown for Smash.

Can anyone shortlist a few points why I should get into this game? (I'm guessing based on above: humor, vulgarity and unique bossfights?)

Bankaj

Losermagnet

@Zeldafan79 Killer7 is, outside of No More Heroes, probably his best game. I would recommend trying that next. Unfortunately, most of Suda's games aren't easily available. They're spread across multiple systems and they're drastically different stylistically, so after that it may be more trouble than it's worth to you. I'll try to give a brief summary. I'm omitting some for the sake of brevity, but I look at the games like this -

Before No More Heroes:

  • The Silver Case (PS4, steam)
  • Flower, Sun, and Rain (DS)
  • The 25th Ward (PS4, steam)
  • Killer7 (GC, PS2, steam)

Prior to NMH Suda directed games that are generally darker and more abstract. They're kind of like visual novels and share themes of killers, government conspiracy, and surrealism. They have well written characters, but the stories are often inscrutable. In spite of that, I find the atmosphere in the games to be wonderful and prefer these games to what came later.

After No More Heroes:

  • Shadows of the Damned (360, PS3)
  • Lollipop Chainsaw (360, PS3)
  • Killer is Dead (360, PS3, steam)

Post No More Heroes, there are several games that Suda is associated with but didn't actually direct (he's listed usually as 'Creative Director' or as a writer). They're okay games clearly born because of the popularity of No More Heroes, but they're much more standard and lack the surrealism. Unfortunately, I feel that when people think of Suda they think of these games and they're not reflective of him as a creator. They're silly, crass, hack n slash games (or 3rd person shooter for Shadows). Having said that, if you like NMH but don't like Killer7 you should try these. Even though I don't like these as much they feature well written characters, are often very funny, and feature music from Akira Yamaoka so they're definately worth considering.

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Losermagnet

@Bankaj Play No More Heroes because there's nothing else quite like it. It's essentially a boss rush game but one in which a nerd kills assassins with a lightsaber. I don't know if I would call it vulgar...certainly Travis (the main character) can be vulgar, and it has crass humor, but I think it balances pretty well when he starts feeling bad for people that didn't have to die.

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Losermagnet

I think it's also worth mentioning that how familiar you are with Suda's games will influence how you experience Travis Strikes Again. It really is a game for Suda fans, not just NMH fans.

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kkslider5552000

I'll be honest, by the end of TSA I was really cynical about everything about it, especially with Suda pulling the "you better buy this if you want the game you actually want" card. Especially since it was his first game as director since the original AFAIK.

I hope NMH3 turns that around, I really loved the first 2 and hope that TSA was just a failed experiment.

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

since it was his first game as director since the original AFAIK.

I believe it to be, but it's tough to know for sure. Referring to Wikipedia, he's listed as 'Executive' or 'Creative' Director on several games....but who knows what that actually means. Take Shadows of the Damned for instance: the game is actually directed by Massimo Guarini.

That's a fair assessment for TSA i reckon. While I really liked it, it's a bit of a head scratcher. It's too dissimilar from the source material I think. Like, Suda had an idea for a game, decided he wanted Travis to be the main character, then said "aw heck I'll have to put No More Heroes in the title now".

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NintendoByNature

I grabbed the 1st game last night and played the first chapter(if you'd call it that) and a job as well. Not bad so far. Wasn't sure what to expect having never played it. Definitely over the top. Kind if feels like bayo with less combos

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Zeldafan79

I probably already can guess the answer but i assume the heavenly star song is gone from the switch version? I used to just sit there in the shop listening to it.

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Beaucine

I started it last night. It's rough around the edges, but it has a singular vision. I suspect Kojima's Death Stranding lifted a few ideas from this, especially the toilet humor and that whole thing where you can rest up between missions by lounging in your house, looking at toys, parsing through menus, and going to the bathroom.

Also, recharging your sword is hilarious, especially if you play with detached joy-cons. Love the meta-commentary there.

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