I could totally see them doing a crazy expanded remake of Super Mario 64.
I'm struggling to come up with ways that they could make a "crazy expanded remake" of 64, the DS version seems to be about as complete as they can make it short of just adding more Stars (at which point they might just be better off making a new game instead of a remake).
Mario Sunshine is the really clear choice I'd say.
Mario games sell like hot cakes and it's one of the only big 3D Nintendo games that you can't play on any current console.
Ok, you can actually play it unofficially on the Wii U. But only if you're naughty. An official method would be better.
I don't mind remakes and remasters just as long as there's a reason for it. Like when they brought Metroid Prime and Pikmin to the Wii with pointer controls. Or with the jump to better visuals and re-releasing Wind Waker on the Wii U or Ocarina of Time on the 3DS. So it depends on what the NX can bring to the table.
If it's a portable console or a "hybrid" that's effectively a portable first? Then there are a lot of GC/Wii/Wii U titles that they could revisit. The novelty of being able to carry a copy of Super Mario Galaxy or Metroid Prime? That would be more than enough to justify it. Plus it's not like moving those games over to the 3DS would be an easy task! For a home console? It's a tougher ask. Purely because with every game I think of in the back of my mind I think "yeah, they should do that for the Wii U".
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I wouldn't want a Super Mario Sunshine remaster, though a remake would be fantastic. Especially one with the type of new content found in Super Mario 64 DS (new secret areas, new missions, new playable characters, etc).
Mario Party 1 to 3 would be interesting, though I'm not sure what they'd do about the control stick spinning mini games in the first one. Those are basically why said game has never been rereleased.
Also, there can't be downgraded elements cough ToS Chronicles cough
Just out of curiosity --- what did you find was downgraded in ToS Chronicles? I found everything to be either the same or an improvement, except maybe that the Gamecube controller was much more suited to the battle system than the PS3 controller.
I think when it comes to remakes/remasters I like a bit of each extreme. If they're gonna do a proper remake, I'd like quite a few new things added featurewise, or would like gameplay to be refined (especially if it's been improved on later in the series). Otherwise I'm quite happy with remasters --- some games could just do with porting to the latest console and a bit of a touch-up (e.g. at HD upgrade), perhaps only getting a digital release like the 3D classics.
I don't mind remakes and remasters just as long as there's a reason for it. Like when they brought Metroid Prime and Pikmin to the Wii with pointer controls. Or with the jump to better visuals and re-releasing Wind Waker on the Wii U or Ocarina of Time on the 3DS. So it depends on what the NX can bring to the table.
If it's a portable console or a "hybrid" that's effectively a portable first? Then there are a lot of GC/Wii/Wii U titles that they could revisit. The novelty of being able to carry a copy of Super Mario Galaxy or Metroid Prime? That would be more than enough to justify it. Plus it's not like moving those games over to the 3DS would be an easy task! For a home console? It's a tougher ask. Purely because with every game I think of in the back of my mind I think "yeah, they should do that for the Wii U".
Well by that logic you could remake pretty much any game. I want remakes to actually add new content and fix problems with the originals, like 64 DS or Zero Mission.
Well by that logic you could remake pretty much any game. I want remakes to actually add new content and fix problems with the originals, like 64 DS or Zero Mission.
Well you could read what I said that way but that's not exactly what I meant. It all depends on what constitutes a significant enough visual improvement. Which varies depending on what the original game was, how recent it is and how well it holds up.
Generally I'd say that there's about a 10 year rule. If the game is at least around 10 years old, fondly remembered and the gameplay holds up well? A port purely on the grounds that they can push the visuals on better hardware is fine. So for Nintendo we're starting to get into the Wii era. But with a portable system any home console game is fair enough.
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Well by that logic you could remake pretty much any game. I want remakes to actually add new content and fix problems with the originals, like 64 DS or Zero Mission.
Well you could read what I said that way but that's not exactly what I meant. It all depends on what constitutes a significant enough visual improvement. Which varies depending on what the original game was, how recent it is and how well it holds up.
Generally I'd say that there's about a 10 year rule. If the game is at least around 10 years old, fondly remembered and the gameplay holds up well? A port purely on the grounds that they can push the visuals on better hardware is fine. So for Nintendo we're starting to get into the Wii era. But with a portable system any home console game is fair enough.
Well there's two things that work against that idea, diminishing returns in graphics and VC. So that's not such a good rationale for remaking games at this point. GC and Wii games still look good and they don't really need graphics upgrades, so they can just put them on the eShop and call it a day. It's only if the gameplay needs an upgrade that the game needs an actual remake at this point.
Well there's two things that work against that idea, diminishing returns in graphics and VC. So that's not such a good rationale for remaking games at this point. GC and Wii games still look good and they don't really need graphics upgrades, so they can just put them on the eShop and call it a day. It's only if the gameplay needs an upgrade that the game needs an actual remake at this point.
I think you're blind if you think that standard definition era games couldn't do with upgrading. If they put HD remasters of Twilight Princess and Super Mario Galaxy on the Wii U I'd buy them in an instant. Because those games didn't translate well when we all moved to 1080p screens. Twilight Princess in particular, the textures were very average and style they went for made it look dated pretty much as soon as the game launched.
That said, at this point we're running out of classic games which deserver a remake and haven't got one yet. There are the Final Fantasy games and we're getting them soon. Halo got redone, the N64 era Zeldas got redone, Metroid Prime got redone although maybe they could revisit that on a HD console. Even Okami got a HD remake not that long ago as well as a port to the Wii.
At this point my list of games I'd want to see HD remakes of is pretty short. Zelda Twilight Princess, Super Mario Galaxy and maybe GTA Vice City. That would be the full extent of what I'd want to see remade. So I don't think it's worth lecturing me about wanting everything to be remade, because I really don't. Just the stuff I want to revisit that would do well with a new coat of paint..... and portable versions....
I think you're blind if you think that standard definition era games couldn't do with upgrading. If they put HD remasters of Twilight Princess and Super Mario Galaxy on the Wii U I'd buy them in an instant. Because those games didn't translate well when we all moved to 1080p screens. Twilight Princess in particular, the textures were very average and style they went for made it look dated pretty much as soon as the game launched.
They look fine to me. HD doesn't really add much, it's mainly just slightly more detail and slightly different shading. Not a huge difference in quality. Pretty much anything from 6th gen on, maybe 7th gen for handhelds, is fine as far as graphics go. That's right about where graphics improvements stopped making much of a difference.
@Bolt_Strike:
Basically we agree that there's a period of time at which a remake is worthwhile. The disagreement is that I think that somewhere around this era you could get a lot of mileage from a remake. Even if the only improvements were graphical:
Instead you think that they shouldn't remake any games much newer than this
I think the most important thing about old games is that they still remain playable on current gen consoles. It is a bloody nonsense having to keep 20 massive plastic boxes in your house so you have access to your favourite games. People who own a blu ray player don't have a dvd player and a VHS system for older films. If it takes a remaster to get that game on to a current console then so be it...but I would more than likely settle for just the original.
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@Pahvi
I don't mind remakes of 8 & 16 bit era games either. The problem with those though is that a remake can suck all of the charm out of it. Part of the enjoyment of those classic games is the pixel art and a remake with modern tech usually takes that away. Something which isn't even remotely true for anything rendered in 3D.
There are exceptions obviously... but I'd point to the two extremes in Megaman 9 & 10 and on the other side of things A Link Between Worlds. That's how you "revisit" games of that era. You either do the pretty much the same thing with a bit of the modern extras, fully respecting the source material. Or you go at it from an entirely different angle and make an entirely different game that's really just a modern sequel. Still fully respecting the original.
@GrailUK
I can't speak for everyone obviously but I'd argue it goes deeper than just the ability to play those games. It's definitely a large part of it but it's not everything. For example, I already own all of the three games I singled out earlier that I'd like to see remade. Vice City I can even run at 1080p on my PC with everything turned as high as it can go. But even so, all three I'd run out and get if they were redone with better textures, effects, models and so on. Because they are looking pretty dated.
Nothing wrong with ports/remakes, they are optional and sometimes make a much better way to optionally play a game. I wonder why Nintendo doesn't develop remakes or ports of their best games instead of releasing new mediocre games like Mario Party 10, Animal Crossing Happy Home Designer, Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival, The Legend of Zelda Triforce Heroes or Metroid Prime Federation Force (yep, it's still not out but very likely will be mediocre at the very best). I know Nintendo is focused on NX at the moment, that's why they should develop remakes/ports for 3DS and Wii U AND improve its extremely poor eShop retro library. They don't even have to develop them themselves, they can pay other teams for the "dirty" work as they have been doing through recent years. They are wrong if they think people prefer new mediocre games instead.
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@VanillaLake: Mediocre? I guess that Triforce Heroes didn't receive a lot of praise, but from what I've seen it looks rather interesting. It looks to be more build around the concept of multiplayer than Four Swords Adventures was... But I think that's just the result of trying to force multiplayer in a game that wasn't originally build around the concept, same goes for Federation Force. Mario Party and amiibo Festival are just cash grabs locked behind amiibo.
@skywake: I hear ya chief. I am not adverse to better graphics but I think remasters need to be more than that. Metal gear Twin Snakes is a good example. A clear improvement in graphics but introduced a few extra gameplay features like first person aiming. The three games you mentioned are indeed good candidates but I hope they get something extra than graphics. I think any Zelda would benefit from gyroscope aiming like splatoon.
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I would be really surprised if they didn't rerelease Sm4sh, Mario Kart 8, and Splatoon(as "Definitive Editions") to the NX, among others, and I'd think it'd help the consoles launch if it did.
As far as remasters go, I'm kinda disappointed that Windwaker is all we've gotten so far. Personally I'd love to see more of the GC/Wii's visually impressive titles get an HD update. The ideas of HD remasters of games like the Prime Trilogy, F-Zero GX, Starfox Adventures, Twilight Princess(hopefully that rumor is true), Skyward Sword, the Mario Galaxy games and Xenoblade makes me all giddy
@Bolt_Strike:
Basically we agree that there's a period of time at which a remake is worthwhile. The disagreement is that I think that somewhere around this era you could get a lot of mileage from a remake. Even if the only improvements were graphical:
Instead you think that they shouldn't remake any games much newer than this
Purely on the basis of graphics, yes. But if there's something they can do to improve the gameplay in a newer game, by all means remake it. There's a couple of games at this point that could use an update, so it's not as if I don't want newer games remade, but we don't need HD remasters just for the sake of them being HD.
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