@Buizel I thought that it was 4 years with Sun and Moon, but I forgot X and Y were 2013 and not 2012.
As for Gamefreak's past game and its reception, I don't think that'll stop them from releasing Gen 10 this year. Gamefreak made it clear in previous comments that they have no intents on delaying any of their games, and that they're going to find other methods to help aid production. At least from what I recall back a bit after Scarlet and Violet first released.
I also don't think they're putting Z-A in summer just for the Switch 2. Especially given that at this point it's pretty much a given that Z-A is only for the original switch. Just like Black 2 and White 2, or Pokemon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. I think if they're releasing it in the Summer, then that means there's going to be something later in the year.
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@IceClimbers Ahh. So two times. I still feel like there's less of a chance of that happening for Gen 10. The only evidence that really supports it being delayed for a year is the anniversary coming up next year- which Gamefreak could do something else for. Something like making another Kanto game, or making a DLC for Gen 10 that focuses on celebrating the other entries in the series.
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@IceClimbers Ahh. So two times. I still feel like there's less of a chance of that happening for Gen 10. The only evidence that really supports it being delayed for a year is the anniversary coming up next year.
The anniversary and the logic of waiting for Switch 2 (with enough units sold to be worthy of a new Pokemon) and the outcry of gen 9 being put out too fast. And not wanting two Pokemon games in the second half of 2025 eating into each other's sales. And potentially Nintendo having too packed a schedule in Fall so GF and Nintendo not wanting to eat onto each other's sales. There are plenty of reasons even if you think Game Freak may not care about some of them.
@FishyS I mean Gamefreak made it clear they're not going to budge on their release schedule just because of people being upset over the game quality. As for Z-A, it wouldn't really eat into the sales of Gen 10. Especially given that Z-A aims for a different target demographic. PLA didn't eat into Gen 9's sales, and Gen 9 didn't eat into PLA's sales. Z-A is probably going to release in the first half of the year, within May or June if I had to guess.
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Especially given that Z-A aims for a different target demographic. PLA didn't eat into Gen 9's sales, and Gen 9 didn't eat into PLA's sales.
They're both considered mainstream Pokemon games according to GF; I suppose the first Legends game was targeting a slightly older audience but there was a lot of overlap.
As for gen 9 versus PLA, gen 9 was out a full 10 months after PLA. In your hypothetical schedule it would be more like 4-6 months (4 if you believe the leaks). I realize they did that exact thing with Brilliant Diamond and Arceus; it felt weirdly close at the time and probably lowered Arceus sales somewhat but clearly not massively.
Regardless, we'll presumably find out later this week.
@FishyS They are both mainline games, yes. The thing to remember though is that PLA is more for the "hardcore" gaming audience while the main generation games are made for casual players and families.
Also yeah, they did the same thing with BDSP. The thing with BDSP though was that it was confirmed the game was produced because Gamefreak was scared that people wouldn't like PLA over a pure Diamond and Pearl remake.
As for Gen 10, I can see it working out to where Gamefreak teases Generation 10 at the end of the Presents, but doesn't give more info on it until Z-A launches. They did this with PLA and BDSP, where PLA was rarely focused on until after BDSP released.
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@FishyS They are both mainline games, yes. The thing to remember though is that PLA is more for the "hardcore" gaming audience while the main generation games are made for casual players and families.
Ehhh the core Pokemon games aren't really that different, hardcore gamers can still enjoy the core games without much issue (maybe for the 3DS games, you might've been able to make this argument then, but they've done a better job of making the games more hardcore friendly again with the Switch games). There's really not much of a difference in terms of target demographics and design philosophy between the two. The only differences are that LA's gameplay loop was mostly focused on catching (probably because it was a smaller roster of Pokemon, and they've stated that they like to incentivize multiple captures of the same species when the roster is smaller) and that LA is a series of 5 overworld areas instead of one open world (likely because they were still easing into open world and the transition occurred gradually over the course of Gen 8, and with Z-A taking place in Lumiose that difference is highly unlikely to carry over). BDSP and LA worked because it was marketed from the very beginning as two different takes on Sinnoh remakes, and both of them were more in opposition to each other for cannibalization to be a significant concern. Z-A and Gen 10 would be unlikely to have such a distinction.
As for Gen 10, I can see it working out to where Gamefreak teases Generation 10 at the end of the Presents, but doesn't give more info on it until Z-A launches. They did this with PLA and BDSP, where PLA was rarely focused on until after BDSP released.
False. BDSP and LA were marketed relatively equally throughout 2021. Both were revealed at the Pokemon Day Presents, then both got a more detailed overview in the August Presents, then they both got new trailers in September and October as well. We've already broken from the pattern that BDSP and LA set here, by that schedule Gen 10 should've been announced alongside Z-A in 2024.
@VoidofLight Gen 4 was four years (DP in 2006, BW in 2010).
As was Gen 3 (2002-06).
Really the 3-year cycle has only been going since gen 5. Tbf, that is a lot of generations in succession, so a good reason to believe they'll do it again...but IDK, I still feel a Legends game and Gen 10 in the same year is a bit too much at once for the reasons I gave previously. I'm tempted to say maybe Gen 10 will be teased before Legends Z-A, but I don't think we'll get much detail until after its launch, and I'm not convinced we'll have a release until 2026.
3pm UK time has passed so that eliminates tomorrow regarding Direct chances. At this point, the only chance left for a February general Direct is if they used Pokemon Day as a big final sendoff for Switch 1 where Pokemon Presents reveals the final Switch 1 Pokemon stuff and then a Direct later on in the day revealed the final Switch 1 non-Pokemon stuff.
@Grumblevolcano Yeah a February Direct seems almost out of the question now. I would've liked to see a Pokemon Presents + Nintendo Direct Mini similar to the partner/indie we got in August, but I don't think that'll happen at this point. Maybe Pokemon Presents, potential Mar10 Day presentation, and Kirby Planet Robobot Deluxe could carry the rest of Switch 1 for now?
@Bolt_Strike I still think if Z-A releases in early Summer and Gen 10 releases in late 2025 there would be no cannibalization, but I guess we'll see in a few days. I wouldn't be surprised if Gen 10 is next year, but I also won't be surprised if Gen 10 is this Winter. We saw how Gamefreak didn't let PLA stop them from dropping Gen 9 in the same year (even though PLA was released in January). Just wouldn't be surprised if it was the same situation here, just with the games being a slight bit closer.
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@Grumblevolcano This pretty much means no Direct, the overview trailers are typically the last trailer for the game and they likely would've saved a trailer for the game for a Direct if there was going to be one. I still think we could get a mini at some point, but I think last June was our last big general Direct for Switch before Switch 2.
Just got an Amazon notification saying the date for the Prime Trilogy book's shipping/release date has been changed from July 31st (obv a placeholder) to July 19th. Wonder if that indicates there's still hope of a Prime 2 and 3 Remaster coming today or tomorrow?
@PikminMarioKirby A Mini would still have XCX even if just a reminder of its existence like LM2 HD's presence in the June 2024 general Direct. It's looking like at most we've got Indie World + Partner Showcase double Direct for March like what happened in August (much like August, March/April is normal timing for Indie World but an April Indie World would probably get overshadowed by all the Switch 2 talk).
The one positive of no February direct is seeing leakers be totally wrong again 😆 I don't want more leaks to be accurate until after Switch 2 is out.
@PikminMarioKirby Shh! Don't say that when NateTheHate is doing a poll for Nintendo news in February!!!! That certainly means there's going to be a surprise Direct Mini tomorrow morning the same hour as the Pokemon Presents! Nintendo would definitely shoot their own partner in the foot in order to prop up their own announcements!
It's amazing to me that people actually think like that. That they actually believe that NateTheHate is teasing a direct for tomorrow, and that Nintendo would really genuinely schedule their news on the same day as Gamefreak- when both are partners, and Nintendo would know TPCi's schedule better than any other gaming company.
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