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BongoBongo123

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The Musou series may not be for everyone, but I highly disagree with people stating as fact that it's just boring nonsense and all grind. All of the Warriors games in my eyes have some of the best video game creativity out there. They may not have the highest budget or the best cutscenes, but they do genuinely feel like a lot of love has been put into them and their characters (aside from DW9, that game is atrocious).

I'm really excited for this one, I think it's going to be a blast. It's also worth mentioning that this is the first time, from memory, that Koei is attempting at a canon story from any IP they do not own. It's very interesting to see what they can do with that, given they're working closely with Nintendo to make the game accurate to Breath of the Wild.

It's also interesting to see how they will make a memorable story with a bleak ending. We all know what happens to the champions and Hyrule at the end of the game, but like seen with games like Halo: Reach and Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core, it's not about the outcome, it's about how you tell that story and build it up to the inevitably dark ending.

This gives opportunity to both teams to elaborate on what transpired and have more character development than what was offered in Breath of the Wild. If the trailer is anything to go by, the Warriors team are putting heavy focus on the narrative of the game and are treating it rather seriously, it's not just going to all be wacky 1000v1 fights without substance.

Who knows, maybe they can even reveal some new characters which could be canon in Breath of the Wild 2 when that game arrives. Stranger things have happened, look at Half-Life: Alyx where in a prequel they happened to connect the dots to the ending of Episode 2 with promise to continue the game from there.

Very intrigued by this and looking forward to when they release more information (which happens to be quite soon).

Edit: Oh, and also, this game looks visually stunning. I really never expected a Musou game to look this good. When Hyrule Warriors came out I thought that was the absolute height of what they could do with the series, but this trailer blew me away. I'd argue in some areas it looks even better than Breath of the Wild.

Isn't Persona 5 Scramble a Musou game that is cannon?

I also appreciate Musou games, loved Samurai Warriors Chronicles on 3ds. Think it ran a lot better than Hyrule Warriors Legends.

BongoBongo123

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I mean, afaik a lot of Musou games are canon? Like, at least in a 'multiverse' sense, which is technically canon in many games anyway - and very often in a more concrete sense?

I've never played any version of the original Hyrule Warriors, so I can't comment on that directly except to say that core LoZ canon would seem to make it completely possible for such a game to be canon. But games like FE Warriors would seem no less canon than several games in the main FE series - especially Fates, in which 'crossover DLC' (for lack of a better term) existed. And afaik all the DW games are within their own canon(s) - at least in the same sense that all Final Fantasy games are within their own canons.

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Eel

The original Hyrule Warriors game is accepted to be non-canon to the main Zelda timeline(s). However, the developers did go out of their way to make the game fit comfortably in timeline, specially in the original version of the game.

The main story (even if you use the original DLC characters) only ever references events that happened in the child timeline (skyward sword->ocarina of time->majoras mask->twilight princess), and the Wind Waker locations and characters are specifically mentioned to come from a "different dimension".

So, while it's not official, if the player so desires, they can place it somewhere in the timeline.

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The main story (even if you use the original DLC characters) only ever references events that happened in the child timeline (skyward sword->ocarina of time->majoras mask->twilight princess), and the Wind Waker locations and characters are specifically mentioned to come from a "different dimension".

That seems as close to canon as we could hope for, even if it's 'not quite there'. After all, the child timeline also includes Termina - so parallel worlds are, themselves, a canon concept to that timeline.

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Giancarlothomaz

@jump how a prequel of Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild that use Hyrule Warriors gameplay can't be considered a first party game for Switch, is because Koei Tecmo publish the game in Japan and Nintendo publish the game worldwide? even if Hyrule Warriors:Age of Calamity is a game publish by Koei Tecmo in Japan and worldwide by Nintendo, this game is considered first party, since is a prequel to the game that is gonna become the basis of future Zelda games

@jump well Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild don't specify how is the lifespan of a Rito, we know that Zoras can live for a longer period of time, the same could happen with Rito, can game could say that like Zoras Rito can live up to 100 years or more, Nintendo know that Kass is a beloved character of the franchise, they will problaby find a way to play with Kass or it mentor.

i like HD Rumble.

@BongoBongo123 Persona 5 Phatom Thief Scramble can be considered canon since it continue the Persona 5 story only with Dynasty Warriors gameplay, is a rare situation like Hyrule Warriors:Age of Calamity when a spin-off is considered canon to the franchise they are making.

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i like HD Rumble.

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The Rito probably have normal human-like lifespans, perhaps shorter? Nothing really suggest otherwise in the game.

Also please do avoid posting multiple times in a row.

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We know that Hylians are specifically called out by Zora as being short-lived - and we know that Zora's Domain welcomes travellers from Goron City, so the Zora definitely have contact with Gorons. Therefore, it's reasonable to conclude that Gorons also live longer than Hylians - long enough that the Zora don't don't consider it 'short' in the manner they view Hylian lifespans, possibly as long as Zora themselves.

Given the geography, in the absence of other information it's reasonable to assume that the Zora have less contact with Rito or Gerudo, so we don't have information there (as Giancarlothomaz says). My headcanon is that Rito live to about the age of 30, akin to Aarakokra in D&D. xD

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link3710

@Northwind I think the point, when it comes to canon, is that Hyrule Warriors was that the plot (canon or not) was basically designed mostly to service the fanservice. Whereas Age of Calamity's plot is in fact a relevant story likely to be filled with characters who develop as the story progresses in their own right.

That's not to say one is strictly better than the other, I loved Hyrule Warriors and the sheer volume of Zelda love it managed to stuff into a single cartridge. But the developers have a very different goal with this game, (like P5 Scramble as was mentioned), in actually expanding upon the world in meaningful ways rather than just revisiting what was already established.

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That's a valid point, @link3710. (Can't 'heart' comments here in the forums, so you get a useless comment instead to indicate that I see your point.)

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@Giancarlothomaz it being canon or not is completely irrelevant to if the game is first party or not since it is literally defined by who has developed the game.

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Henmii

@Dezzy and @Giancarlothomaz,

That's a pity. And yeah I know the open-world Dynasty warriors wasn't that well received. And yet with Nintendo close I hoped it could work for Age of calamity. But yeah, they have chosen maps instead.

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Solaine

I really wonder how this can be canon at all.
SPOILER(not sure if necessary at this point)
Judging from the few cutscenes we got in the game i always thought the time 100 years ago was Ganon appearing, every champion rushing to their own titan and getting killed inside in the process, all the while Link and Zelda went back to the castle saw it pretty much getting destroyed and then ran away, only memorable musou moment being the battle at hateno fortress which honestly would be a blast to have as a final mission!All in all: not much to fight about, but am i alone with this kind of headcanon or are you people wondering as well?

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Eel

While the individual gameplay details may not be completely logical in how they fit with the canon, we can assume that the plot details and character moments presented will be completely canon.

Simply because that's the main point they made during the presentation.

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link3710

@Solaine Actually, I can probably answer that. There were several rounds of invasions from what we've seen between BotW and the trailer.

The trailer starts with an initial invasion of troops. This takes place before the earliest memories from BotW, since the champions haven't been chosen yet. So we'll have all the battles that led Zelda and the King discovering the four Champions and Link, before leading to them officially being chosen. Keep in mind, the champions weren't even chosen until after the war had already begun. Since Link doesn't have his blue tunic yet, this is before the first memory for certain

After that, the Champions return home to help fight on their individual fronts, while Link and Zelda are traveling between the individual locations. There's probably going to be one fight at each of the four home areas during this part of the game. From there, Link and Zelda end up facing the Yiga clan, likely also to be covered in more depth then the single musou style battle we see bits of.

Next, Link and Zelda return to the castle, where Zelda is studying the remains of Guardians that attacked. We know guardians weren't part of the initial wave of attackers at the castle, so that shows at least one more fight must have occurred by that point.

From there, Link and Zelda journey to the three springs. We can assume there will be battles during this as well. Somehow, the champions are all gathered by this point again (we don't see how), suggesting they'll be party. It's only at this point, after at least a dozen or so battles, that we'll see Calamity Ganon finally take over Hyrule Castle. At some point after this the champions leave and Fort Hateno occurs, though there's likely to be at least another couple unseen battles between. Still, Calamity Ganon's appearance will almost certainly be the start of the end game.

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Well, I wasn't sure just how long before the oldest memories were, @Solaine.... But those certainly might not have covered everything
So, there might have been a lot of fighting before the very oldest memories?

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@link3710 wow, very detailed answer. Thanks a lot, i can picture the games story better now. I didnt quite remember all of the cutscenes anymore
@BruceCM thanks as well

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jump

I was thinking about how Skull Kid went from Ocarina of Time to Majora's Mask and I was wondering if there could be that sort character in this with huge implications for BOTW or BOTW 2 but came across as completely ordinary.

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Eel

Kass finds the Fedora of Ruin, which takes control over him, and he tries to destroy Hyrule.

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@Eel Nah, I reckon Kass learns an evil song on the accordion which opens up the possibility of Link getting an instrument in Hyrule Warriors or BOTW 2. As after all it's not dungeons or story that make a Zelda game, it's trying to remember the sequences for the bloody Ocarina and Wind Waker to work.

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The evil song he learns?...

The Scarecrow Song you made and forgot about.

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