Topic: Metroid Prime 1 Remastered

@Tendo64 That'll do it! Yeah, he's a git lol.

I have to say, I do hope Prime 2 gets the same treatment as this game. I know the original rumour was just a straight port but man, they nailed this game.

I MIGHT get this game this year. Might.

The phazon patches absolutely screwed me a number of times. Hard to know where they are in the heat of battle while you're moving around quickly attacking omega and his minions.

I'm just glad I didn't play through this game as a teenager when it was new as I doubt I would've beaten Omega back then, and I likely would've shelved the game forever and later ignored this remaster due to the bad taste left over.

I'd love it if they let us know either way, because I've been on the hunt for Prime 2 on Gamecube which ain't cheap, and I'd much rather play a remaster with the other control options.

@TheBigBlue
All I know is, Emily Rogers, the one who originally leaked Prime 1 getting Remastered, said all 3 were green lit by Nintendo to be Remastered. And the only person who's said otherwise is Grubb. But I don't trust him as much as I trust Emily Rogers, because he doesn't have the track record she has. He gets no credibility for Prime Remastered as the leak originally came from Emily Rogers. He just repeated what she said first. And his insistence it was coming by the end of 2022 just showcases how he'll present his own speculation as fact. I suspect the whole "the other two games will just be ports" is once again just his speculation being presented as fact, because it makes sense to him

Either way, I just want the games on Switch. But I very seriously doubt Nintendo would want MP2 and MP3 on Switch without being Remastered, nor do I think Sakamoto would want that. They're in the process of growing the Metroid brand again, and the worst thing you can do is throw out bare minimum ports to a newly grown fanbase, after 10-15 years of hype building behind how great these games are. No. They'll want to do everything in their power to put their best foot forward, just like with Prime Remastered.

Graphics may not be a sticking point for core Metroid fans, but if they are to bring in new players on the back of the hype and pedigree of the Prime Trilogy, they'll need to ensure it meets the standards of more modern gamers.

I suspect they'd sooner not release them at all before they'd just release HD ports.

I understand that people want Prime 2 and 3 but they might be setting themselves for disappointment. There's a few reasons to consider why that might not happen at all, like their reception being a bit more divisive than the first Prime as Nintendo could be worried about that affecting the reception of Prime 4. People might also underestimate the time and resources that this remastered version took, so maybe they aren't in development yet if they will be at all.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Metroid fan. It's my favourite Nintendo franchise by far and I even had a Samus Returns cover as my profile picture for years in this site so believe me when I say that I'd love to get remastered versions of those. But at the same time, I think that it's better to be cautious when it comes to expectations and to understand that there's a lot more going on behind the curtains than what many think.

@TheBigBlue A bit late as an answer, but I agree, fission metroids are a huge pain, especially in the final area where they essentially come down to just slowing you down instead of any actual challenge. The fact switching beams is a bit finicky just adds to the frustration of having to deal with them.

@roy130390
I'm prepared for them not to come. And I agree, there are some reasons why they may choose not to release them.

Although I think Prime 2 is the best Metroid game ever made (and by extension my favorite video game of all time, depending on the day you ask me), I also recognize the 2nd and 3rd entries weren't as universally beloved. Don't get me wrong, they're still widely regarded as excellent games, but it seems the community has settled on them not quite reaching the heights of the first Prime. But, there is more variance in opinion, and the ppl who do love Prime 2, they really love it, way more than Prime 1, while the ones who don't, they like it much less.

I can already see the criticisms now. "It's too bland". Or "the beams have ammo" and "I don't like the dark world draining health". Which, I can't really argue with since it's all opinion and preference at the end of the day. But these criticisms were never valid for me.

Prime 2 is more muted than Prime, yes, but that's intentional. The eerie, foggy, spooky atmosphere is only achieved because of the wisely chosen color palate. The beams having Ammo adds tension in the same way limited bullets adds tension in a Resident Evil game. Not to the same extent- ammo refills are pretty generous, but just knowing you could run out is enough to up the ante with tension and suspense. And the threat of dark world is the game's crowning victory. You fear Dark Aether. Heck, the atmosphere makes you fear Light Aether! So Dark Aether is all the more threatening and menacing.

All the reasons people don't like Prime 2, are the very reasons it's my favorite Metroid game of all time (well, that and the incredible boss fights, insanely well thought out puzzles, and central design layout that makes backtracking less tedious).

And Prime 3, I can already hear the criticisms of that too. "It uses grapple lasso too much" and "I don't like the ship". Which, to be fair I suppose I can kinda relate to such complaints. It just never bothered me though.

I think each game offers something unique, and all three of them are worthy of consideration for being among the best video games ever made. Just having one of them feels incomplete. But... as you said, Nintendo may feel the reception to Prime 1 Remastered is as good as it gets, and since its only downhill from there in terms of expected critical reception, better to just forget about the other two.

If so... that will be tragic.

Fired up Super Metroid, just for a bit. I had a save state from a game I started a year or two ago. Wasn't very far. Just got the Super Missile I think.

But after changing controls in the system menu to swap Select and ZL, to toggle weapons easier, it suddenly became playable. Not as fluid as Fusion, but fluid enough that I actually didn't feel actively repelled from it.

That's good. It means once Fusion and Prime Remastered are over, I can move on to Prime 2 and Super Metroid. And hopefully Zero Mission won't be too far off, so I can move on to Prime 3 and Zero Mission. If it still hadnt come by then, I'll just substitute Samus Returns, which I'm halfway through and never beat.

Question is... do I want to play Other M. And if so, on what hardware? Could play on Wii U with a Wiimote but that really makes me not want to play. I hated using the d-pad and swapping to pointing for missiles.

Got the space jump and decided to call it a night. Got quite a few areas to explore tomorrow now that it.

The hint system in Metroid Prime is kind of garbage.

I managed to pass over the charge shot yet the hint system directed me to Phendrana Drifts.

For half an hour I was like...

@Magician The Charge Beam being optional at the time you get it is kind of weird and IDK why they designed it that way since it does seem to be mandatory later on (not sure where because I've never really tried playing through the game up until you need it to progress, but you at least need it before Thardus). I managed to find it by chance my first playthrough, but not everyone is going to and that could lead to a lot of confusion.

Also, why does it hint towards that random Energy Tank in Furnace after you beat the Incinerator Drone? AFAIK that doesn't progress the story. I mean it's great and helpful, but not mandatory whereas the Charge Beam eventually is.

Just made it to Agon Wastes in Prime 2. Goodness the atmosphere is killer in this game. And the upgrade to the scan visor is muah! It's got me scanning everything, and clinging on to every little piece of lore and logbook entry.

One of the dead soldiers left a log talking about how, another solider that night had told them about this galactic bounty hunter that blew up an entire space pirate base by themselves, and they say they find that hard to believe. But if the other soldier wants to believe in fairy tales, Santa Clause or this "Samus" they speak of, go for it.

I know I beat this game before but, that was nearly 20 years ago. I don't remember hardly anything. It feels like a brand new game again, just like Prime Remastered.

Also just got the Power Bombs in Metroid Fusion, and escaped out of an elevator shaft.

@TheBigBlue
That's normal. Nearly every Metroid starts you decked out with abilities you recover throughout the game. Some have to come before others, so some have to come later. In Dread you don't even get the Morph Ball until after like 4 other abilities, several hours into the game, and that's typically an ability you get within the first 5 minutes.

You also don't need every upgrade in the game. Some of them just make combat easier and allow access to more energy tanks and Missile upgrades.

@JaxonH Prime 2 has an atmosphere unlike any other game I’ve ever played. I think the best word I can use to describe it would be “oppressive”. It feels like nearly everything in the game is actively working against you, whereas the other games in the series feel a bit more passive overall. I love Prime 2 for that reason and it would one of my favorite games thanks to the atmosphere alone, but then you have a fantastically designed game on top of it.

@StarPoint
Yes. That's a perfect word to describe it. Prime 2 creates an oppressive atmosphere that gives the player a feeling no other game has come close to matching.

The bleak environments of Aether, the dead soldiers strung upside down by alien slime like substance, the massacre of dead Federation soldiers by their space ship, with data logs recording their thoughts, and fears, in their final hours before they were hunted down. The dark world and how it's atmosphere actively conspires to kill you. The fact you know Dark Samus is running freely about somewhere on the planet. Not just intimidating alien creatures, but dark versions of those creatures as well. The emptiness, the solitude, the trepidation... you could cut the suspense with a knife.

I understand no game is flawless. No matter how good a game is, people can find an endless list of complaints if they so desire. And Prime 2 is no exception. But when I play the game, I am so utterly engrossed by its captivating (yet oppressively intimidating, as you put it) atmosphere, combined with its rock solid gameplay, exploration, music, boss battles and puzzles...

All I can think when I'm playing... is how much I love it and can't get enough. It only serves to remind me why this game was always my favorite of the three. It's just. So. Freaking. Good. It makes me feel a way the other Prime games just aren't able to. Not to say I don't still treasure them- all three are among my favorite games ever made. But Prime 2 is on another level.

I haven't tested it myself, but I'm pretty sure you need the Charge Beam before you can use the Super Missiles, and you need to use the Super Missiles at least once to open up the door leading to Thardus. So I don't think you could proceed any further if you still don't have it. For the most part though, yeah, it is optional.

Yeah, that was weird. And not only that, but there's a ton of places you need the Grapple Beam to reach , so most of the game it just teases you that you lost your Grapple Beam and can't go there yet. I did hear someone once point out that the abilities you start out with in Prime 1 were abilities that were in the original Metroid that are also in Prime 1, but the Grapple Beam is the sole exception to that (the Grapple Beam didn't debut until Super), so it's hard to say why they felt the need to include the Grapple Beam so early and withhold it until late game.

It does happen again in Prime 2, where you have a ton of abilities in the beginning that get stolen, but some of them aren't actually usable at that point even though you actually have them. And similarly, the abilities you start out with in Prime 2 before they're taken away are abilities that were in Prime 1 that are also in Prime 2 (and there's also a similar weird exception where the Super Missiles are in both games but you don't start out with them). There's a few differences in how Prime 2 handles the taken abilities. For one, you technically have those abilities in the beginning but can't actually use most of them. Also unlike Prime 1, you don't get most of the taken abilities back early except for one weird exception, the abilities are spread equally throughout the game (this might be why they omitted the Super Missiles from the beginning, they couldn't find a place to fit it without having an uneven number of abilities in one world, so they just made it so Samus never had them at the beginning).

@JaxonH @StarPoint And here I thought I was the only one who liked Prime 2 better than Prime 1. I'll join in on the Prime 2 praise too.

I'm really a sucker for light world/dark world games like this one and ALttP/ALBW. It really gets more mileage out of the map design because of how you explore the two different worlds in different ways. Rooms that were insignificant in one world become significant in the other, and vice versa. You take different paths through each world to get to your destination. Even though the map is basically a copy/paste, because of the those kinds of differences it feels like a different world. And then there's instances where you have to weave back and forth between the two worlds to progress, so it makes you think four dimensionally about the level design. It's just so fun to explore a world like that.

Playing it for the first time, it's crazy that the last Metroid that came out before this one was Super. This feels like such a passion project by the devs, they clearly loved the source material and expanded it so well in every facet. I'm not talking about it much but I'm adoring this game, it's so good!

I cannot stress enough how much i'm enjoying this game...it's my secound metroid game after Dread, which i loved to death ofc. Prime is exactly like that (well except the EMI's ) but in 3D and everything feels so smooth and fleshed out. I also adore the backtracking and the secrets and the fact that this game doesn't hold your hand too much and makes you think by youself to solve the riddles and puzzles. Can't wait for the sequels to be remastered as well ^^

@Bolt_Strike I think overall I prefer Prime 1, but just slightly. Prime 1 just blew my mind the first time I played it, hot off the heels of Super Metroid. To me, the fact that they were able to so seamlessly covert Super’s excellent gameplay into 3D on their first try was extremely impressive to me. It left a huge impact on me which is why I think I prefer it more overall. But I absolutely can see why some prefer Prime 2 over it. It’s a phenomenal game in it’s own right, and I’m sure if I played that one first I’d probably overall say I like it more than the first one. It’s kind of like a Mario Galaxy 1/2 situation, where I think 2 is probably the better game overall, but I just prefer 1 since I played it first and it left a bigger impact on me. But in both scenarios, we’re talking a masterpiece vs. a masterpiece, so in the long run it really doesn’t make much of a difference as to which one I slightly prefer over the other.

@TheBigBlue Oh absolutely. Prime 2 is amazing, and like we’ve been discussing, is better than the first game in a lot of ways. If you enjoyed the first game, chances are you’ll at least find things to appreciate in 2 as well. I’m REALLY hoping that it gets a remaster as well at some point.