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Topic: For the last time, Nintendo will not release a 4k console this year, and not anytime soon.

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TheFrenchiestFry

@SwitchForce You're comparing the PS5 to a hypothetical mid-cycle refresh of an existing system

"If the PS4 was so good why is there a PS5"

Because jumps in technology are bound to necessitate new versions of hardware all the time, and it's not even exclusive to video games, but remember the PS5 took like 7 years to release after the PS4's original debut. The Switch is no position right now where it needs that much of an overhaul. It's doing perfectly fine as is. They're not going into 4K territory for at least like 3 more years until the Switch is succeeded by whatever console Nintendo does next. They were already late to the party with HD gaming

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SwitchForce

@TheFrenchiestFry you didn't get the comparison at all what was made. People said nothing when PS4 was lacking guts but when a Switch wants guts there is a Taboo. When people try to deflect comparison it tells alot that people are scared that something so small can beat something that doesn't move from the table. You already missed the reason why Switch is so successful you tow their lines - why does Nintendo have to follow idiots that think Nintendo should wait for 20xxx. Those are the very reason those on here don't work for Nintendo Innovation department.

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Snatcher

I think nintendo is fine where they stand in terms on console, if nintendo thinks it going to sell well then they will go for it but right now it looks like there making alot of money just on this switch alone.

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sixrings

@Snatcher I agree there doing great right now. But if you wait till the wheels start falling off before you plan your next console you end up repeating what happened in the last years of the wii to the wii u. By the end of the wii so many had jumped ship to ps3 or 360. Nintendo moved far too slow to the HD era. Right now Nintendo’s doing great but what happens when there isn’t any ps5 or Xbox series supply issues and the games start to fully utilize those systems power potential. Are you sure Nintendo will still be doing great then? And if you think Nintendo might find themselves in anyway a tight spot then you have to plan now. Personally I think the pro comes out when botw 2 does to make sure it runs at least at a steady 30fps. Likely March. But I’ve been wrong multiple times before.

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TheFrenchiestFry

@SwitchForce "People said nothing when the PS4 was lacking guts"

It's almost as if the PS4 was the more powerful option out of all the currently released consoles at the time which meant games looked and played best on it for four straight years until the Xbox One X came out and even then there were still games upscaled to work on the hardware refreshes some of them still played better on PS4 Pro than the One X in specific instances

Nobody said the PS4 was lacking guts because the PS4 wasn't lacking guts. It was more powerful than the Xbox One, more powerful than the Xbox One S, more powerful than the Wii U and still more powerful than the Switch

The only consoles that outclassed it in terms of power disparity were the PS4 Pro and the Xbox One X

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Snatcher

@sixrings Oh I think they a plan there the riches company in japan, but They wont put it into action intel crisis and as of now it there is no sign of the switch slowing down on top of nintendo making a Huge amont of money on games like, mario 3d all stars, ACNH, And most likley BOTW2.

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kkslider5552000

@sixrings There's a fatal flaw in your assumption. During the dying days of the Wii era:
-It relied on the PS2's incredible popularity to some extent for pre-HD console games to even continue being made in the first place
-It relied on a casual market that bought only very casual games (and often very few) or were gone because of mobile gaming taking over
-Companies were all in on making lots of HD games (before the Wii came out even tbh)
-Indie gaming was starting to become a serious force, and Wii's small storage space issues became unacceptable in record time
-Nintendo was also having issues getting a successful launch for 3DS

Meanwhile right now:
-Switch has a large audience from casual to hardcore, reflected in a lot of its biggest games
-Ports of decently old games have often sold well
-There are less 3rd party AAA games being released (partially because of trying to be a live service)
-A decent chunk of the most popular 3rd party games even just in the past year or so do not need the power of a PS4
-There is not an entirely separate 2nd Nintendo system competing with the Switch

I mean I agree as much as anyone that the Wii to Wii U transition was terribly planned and they should never make those mistakes again, but its also a way different era now.

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@Snatcher hey I’m not saying I’m smarter than the execs at Nintendo. That said they were responsible for the virtual boy, n64, wii u. I just hope they don’t screw this up.

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StuTwo

I think momentum and perception is incredibly important in this industry.

Nintendo will (obviously) be working on the successor to the Switch and the earliest games for that console will be in an early stage of development right now. It won’t have a 4K screen, it will output in 4K (up scaled from a lower res, probably with DSSL).

The question is about whether Nintendo will launch a mid gen refresh. This will - as others have said - most likely target some easy wins like HDR output, faster loading (possibly using more RAM), more onboard storage and a slightly faster processor that smooths out frame rates slightly for some games. And better battery life.

In some ways you could argue that the 2.0 models launched around the time of the Switch Lite were a silent mid gen refresh.

I kind of suspect that we might see that the ‘Mario edition’ Switch and the Monster Hunter edition turn out to be minor but notable technical revisions under the hood. The first wave of a modest new silent revision of the console.

People will be underwhelmed - it would probably mean that a bigger mid gen refresh is never coming. Personally I can live with that - especially since it means that a true “Switch 2” is a year or two nearer to launch than it might otherwise have been.

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Grumblevolcano

The Monster Hunter Rise Switch is enough evidence we're not getting a new Switch revision anywhere near March 26th. MH World got a PS4 Pro, MH Generations got a New 3DS XL, MH4U got a New 3DS XL (the game was even a launch title for the more powerful revision). If there was a new more powerful revision inbound soon, the MH Rise Switch would've been revealed alongside the new revision rather than being a normal base Switch.

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Anti-Matter

In other words, NO Switch Pro or whatever its name on this year. Period.

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jump

@Anti-Matter I think you're missing the point of this thread. People aren't saying a new version of the Switch isn't happening this year, they are saying a 4k Switch isn't happening this year.

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rallydefault

Perfect world for me:

Big announcements about the Zelda anniversary coming up paired with the reveal of the Switch "Pro" that will launch alongside BotW2 in Fall of 2021. The "Pro" will be an upgraded dock for about 100 bucks, so no repurchasing of a Switch console is necessary for most people. The dock will have a different form factor that allows for better cooling and will, as always, crank up the processing speed. This will allow a docked Switch to more reliably nail 1080p resolutions in demanding games, but will NOT achieve even upscaling to 4k. The Tegra processor itself will receive its final major update/overclock allowing for more processing power in both modes.

I think this is a more realistic projection. Just a little boost that would put the most demanding games (Age of Calamity, DOOM Eternal, etc.) into better FPS territory, and would maybe give the Switch the chance to hang onto some AAA experiences into 2022, at which point the actual successor to the Switch will start to swirl around for sometime in 2023.

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SwitchForce

Grumblevolcano wrote:

The Monster Hunter Rise Switch is enough evidence we're not getting a new Switch revision anywhere near March 26th.

Based on what? Care to show the rest of us how you got to this? Links to verify? I don't about you but if this is all we need then life itself on Planet Earth is dead the next day.

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Grumblevolcano

@SwitchForce Monster Hunter always gets the more powerful revision for special edition systems if there is one. MH4U got a special edition New 3DS XL (was a New 3DS launch title), MH Generations got a special edition New 3DS XL and MH World got a special edition PS4 Pro.

So if there was a new Switch revision launching on March 26th, the MH Rise special edition Switch would've been the new Switch revision (and obviously revealed later because no new Switch revision has been announced yet) but the special edition console is just the normal base Switch so as a result it is very unlikely that a new Switch revision is launching close to March 26th.

If you're wondering what MH Rise special edition Switch, this one:

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/01/nintendo_unveils_mo...

Grumblevolcano

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RR529

@SwitchForce, read the rest of the post you quoted.

Monster Hunter is so huge in Japan that it moves units by itself. They wouldn't have announced a special edition regular Switch (as they just did) if they had a "Switch Pro/New Switch/Switch+, etc, launching around the same time, as it would make more sense for the MonHun console to be the new SKU.

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PlusUltra

@rallydefault. I wonder if old docks could be upgraded too with an even cheaper outer usb attachment or would it draw too much power when switch is also docked.

Still if an old dock could be turned into a pro/fuse dock for cheaper than getting the also cheaper brand new dock that would be cool also.

PlusUltra

rallydefault

@PlusUltra
Yea, I don't know, good question. I'm so fixated on the dock because I know how much difference proper cooling can make in allowing a processor to reach its true potential. When overclocking GPUs and CPUs for a PC, for example, your only limits are the processor and cooling factor, and most people will hit the cooling limits long before they hit the absolute limits of the processing chips.

If Nintendo could come up with a dock that somehow, someway almost "plugs" into the Switch more snugly, creating a tunnel/funnel to allow for a better siphoning/dissipation of heat through a good fan and cooling outlets in the dock itself, they would allow the Tegra chip to be pushed much further than it already is. Speaking realistically, I doubt anything on this particular Tegra chip could reach 4k checkboard fidelity at any kind of respectable FPS, so that's out of the question, but achieving rock solid FPS at 1080p for demanding games would give the Switch much-needed legs if it's gonna last us into 2023. For less demanding games like, say, Stardew Valley, perhaps you could be looking at an upscaled 4k docked option, but for most games not likely.

It would be a cheaper solution, almost like an add on, which Nintendo has been fond of in previous consoles. Nobody would have to repurchase another Switch if they already owned one, and nobody would be excluded from games, theoretically. Though when they did the expansion pack for the N64, I think there were some games that required it. Hopefully they would steer away from that. The reason I think they would is that the handheld mode would only get the final Tegra overclock, which will certainly help, but wouldn't be much outside of the improved dock. I think there's only so much more than can do in handheld mode before melting the innards lol Although, when you think about it, handheld mode is already rendering in a lower resolution (720p), so any final overclocks to the Tegra should have a sort of multiplied effect for properly optimized games in handheld.

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PlusUltra

Not sure I fully understand. However I do understand you informing me of how the switch could do more as is if not for the potential of it overheating and destroying itself from within, eight gates style.(naruto fan reference believe it)

I think i get it now. You are saying better ventilation or new dock design could forgo the need for the cost and need of adding an additional chip since the handheld chip could be pushed a bit further if not for cooling concerns.

Personally i prefer the lower power consumption state of the switch. I was implying an even smaller design and form for a switch dock or switch dock add on like some of those third party docks but I think you are informing me that once you add a chip such a thing is impossible and it would have to be a whole dock so that it would have proper ventilation.

I have a playstation TV. Its pretty cool and about the size of a wallet however it gets pretty hot despite its no fan design and requires its own plug i think. For long-term i would have liked if it kept its low power consumption no or no audible fan i know of design but maybe been. slightly bigger and come with an optional outside replacable fan attachment so that as an option i could alleviate my fear of it overheating.

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rallydefault

@PlusUltra
Yea, that's basically it. Right now the dock doesn't even have a fan, and frankly it kinda stifles the Switch's cooling because you're surrounding it with plastic walls lol. A re-engineering to make the dock more open, with an actual fan of its own, and some sort of more solid connection to the Switch itself to facilitate and direct airflow could probably raise the ceiling for pushing the Tegra chip a bit more.

Now, I'm trying to stay realistic. Every chip does have its limits, and this Tegra chip just isn't gonna output most stuff even at upscaled 4k even if you could liquid cool it lol

But I think a re-engineering of the dock, the addition of a dock fan and more focused cooling could allow for more solid stats when it comes to 1080p gaming. Age of Calamity at a buttery 60fps would be awesome, for instance. Not 4k or anywhere near it, but very nice. Devs could even make the choice to take demanding games like DOOM Eternal only output at 720p in order to get higher frames and preserve more effects.

And yea, the handheld mode can't benefit from a dock improvement, obviously, but any kind of further overclock should produce equally good results because handheld mode can only display up to 720p, not the more demanding 1080p that the dock can produce. Though it does get tricky because the handheld mode is stuck with the cooling it has... so that's kind of a snag. Not insurmountable - they could definitely tinker with fan speeds a bit more just like I can on my PC to make a more aggressive curve, but most people probably don't want their Switch to sound like a miniature vacuum lol

I just think it's perhaps a more realistic path for Nintendo to "tread water" for the next two years until the actual next Switch console. I would think most games that are going to release in 2021 have already been in development for quite some time, so no worries there, but a "pro" dock upgrade could be crucial in securing some AAA titles for 2022 that otherwise would just skip the Switch and not be bothered with attempting technical wizardry under current power. They could even push it as the way to truly experience BotW2, kind of like what they did with Majora's Mask and the New 3DS upgrade.

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