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MFD

I wonder how this would control, also I don't see what the hype is about. I've gone through my fair share of mobas, and it's basically a "meh" clone of LoL so far I can see.

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ThatNyteDaez

@LuckyLand ... You mean like Splatoon? xD

Well, it is possible that they might ensure local play will be enabled too, at least for the Switch version. It'd just make more sense, especially where the 1 vs 1 and 3 vs 3 battle modes are concerned. But as far as the 5 v 5, I don't think they could enable that. I believe the Switch's current limit of Local connectivity is up to 8. But they're not to blame for that. Who knows, they might just give us an exclusive 4 vs 4 mode just because of that.

Also, take a look at this video:

Around the 0:48 mark, the screen shows an option to play a "Bot Match" which just might constitute as a single player game mode. Even if there's no campaign or story to work through, it's looking like you may be able to practice against the CPU in some form. So I wouldn't write the game off just yet.

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ThatNyteDaez

@UmniKnight For me, (I can't speak for anyone else) I'm excited at the prospect of a MOBA coming to a Nintendo system at all. And what's more - this doesn't look to be a cheap knock-off as you mentioned it being. I've seen more than a few LoL clones running around and this seems to do the genre a fair amount of justice.

To each their own - if you don't like it, you don't like it. But for the current Switch library, this is going to be an amazing addition.

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MFD

@ThatNyteDaez It has a lot of similarities with LoL, and I've played quite a bit of LoL back in the day (it also makes a lot of sense as it comes from Tencent, who own Riot Games). Prime question here, is how will it control? So far the only mobas that have made it to console, think on that for a bit, are a side-scrolling 2D one call Psychonauts and SMITE, but then look at SMITE and you can see why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKFwn5uuP3w (beware, commentator is obnoxiously loud at first)

Since it comes from mobile, it'll probably control the way mobile does, with a touch-screen. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a handheld only game.

There's a reason why most Moba's are on PC, because a mouse is perfect for the fast-clicking action you need to get things to work. Ask yourself this: Why otherwise are LoL/Dota2/HotS etc not on consoles?

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Azooooz

@UmniKnight That's because they own LoL's company. It's not strange to use some assets of the game.

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ThatNyteDaez

@UmniKnight That's the thing though. With this game and LoL both being MOBA's, it's expected there would be numerous similarities between the two. Arena of Valor is just much more catered to being playable on mobile while LoL is of course PC-centered. But as they're both within the same genre, you can't expect too much to be different. Just like how we have all of the FPS' out there being largely similar to one another at their core, and every racing game to be similar as well, we will get many games around the MOBA's genre that will be mirrored at their core.

Controls were the main thing I also was wondering about. As mentioned earlier in the thread, the game's being ported to Switch should mean we can expect some form of button configuration options, but we may also be able to expect touch screen options too. I mentioned my worry mostly being based off how, similar to Voez being a mobile game initially, it's likely we will have touch screen options but we currently have no idea on if button controls will 100% be implemented. I guess we'll get our answer later...

I imagine the only reason those games haven't been brought to consoles is a combination of Dev's not wanting them brought to consoles, consoles just not being their audience and whatever other kinds of excuses we're typically used to seeing. I'm not all that invested in why certain ports do and don't make the transition over to consoles from PC and vice versa, but I imagine they have their reasons. No matter how crappy they seem to be.

Personally, I never liked the mouse/keyboard control setup. Just feels awkward to me. If I was fine with it, I'd probably be playing LoL just as much as the next casual fan does, but the fact that Arena of Valor is coming to Switch tells me that they have something in mind for us. I don't think they're just going to port it over and be done with it. We've seen that they've taken the time to upgrade the visuals, so I imagine they'll do the same for the controls. At least in the trailer, we didn't see any marker's that the heroes were moving towards. Which is a fairly good sign, I think.

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Azooooz

@ThatNyteDaez The game, on mobile, has a virtual joystick and virtual buttons, so the game will take advantage of Switch's controller's buttons and analog sticks.

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MFD

@ThatNyteDaez I don't see much reason for them to not just go the Voez/Severed route and do it that way. You have not played moba's on PC, but I have, and I can tell you that you need the speed of a mouse for them, SMITE/Psychonauts being exceptions due to how they work (2D-sidescroller and 3rD person fixed camera)

Look at the gameplay. A single miss-click can mean one's annihilation, so I duly wonder what else they can do with this. Arena of Valor is the same as LoL, albeit you (so far I see) cannot zoom out, and I'm guessing one touches those button prompts on the screen. If you incorporate that into buttons, it'll be crucial in how fast the stick has your skill-shots go to the desired location, and how you'll select targets for other abilities etc.

Look how they use it here, I can only imagine that is how the Switch will use it as well.

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@Azooooz And you know that 100% certain how?

Edit: Also, touch screens are faster than a stick, just saying. I don't see how you could reliably, and thus enjoyably, use a stick to control this game's skillshots and abilities.

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Azooooz

@UmniKnight Well, I didn't say that touch screen is faster or slower than a stick. I'm not sure about it, but giving the game's control layout, it's possible.

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MFD

@Azooooz If they're serious about making this a good experience, then they hopefully will implement those, but again, you'd have to consider whether it works well and feels good to use with a stick vs touch. If it doesn't, then the game will be handheld mode only.

Then there's considering if they even want to invest all the extra effort into putting that in, when they can just copy paste the game as it is, and say "It's handheld only". It would line their pockets far easier, that's a given.

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ThatNyteDaez

@UmniKnight Well, like I said, I sort of agree with you. It might just be that they implement both touch screen and button controls. Or touch screen on it's own. I'm just as skeptical on how it's going to control as you. But you have to keep in mind that LoL, for example was made with the keyboard and mouse controls in mind. And that Arena of Valor was made with the mobile touch screen in mind. Yes, we know this is just a port, but as I mentioned previously, they might just change things around for us, even if it would be beneficial for them not to.

Voez had to remain touch screen purely because the game doesn't look like buttons would be possible. There are times in Voez where you are pressing 4 parts of the screen and sometimes moving them around at the exact same time. No button configuration can work with that. But with Arena of Valor, the only issue I can see with them making it work is targeting. Locking onto a chosen hero you want to target, even when there are others nearby. They may just pull that out entirely for the sake of button controls, making positioning, range and obstacles become much more of a gameplay factor.

"A single miss-click can mean one's annihilation-" Yes, there will be times when that is the case. But that's true for any game. These things happen, especially in high level play, but that comes down to the players and whether or not they've been able to adapt to the game/controls to hand. Not so much the controls themselves.

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Azooooz

@UmniKnight @ThatNyteDaez Gentlemen, that’s why beta exists. They will test and see how can the developers improve MOBA experience on a home console.

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MFD

@Azooooz We will see if they will. Again, I wouldn't put it past them to copy paste it to Switch and say "Handheld only". In fact, that may be the only reason why it's even coming to the Switch, because of that ability! Let me peck your brain with this: Why else, did they not bring it to PS4/Xbox One before then? Who have FAR more people owning a console at this moment? The control scheme we're talking about, that isn't touch-screen, is basically the exact same that works with PS4/Xbox One, UNLESS it somehow uses Joy-Cons, which I just don't see.

@ThatNyteDaez SMITE was also made on PC first. Came to consoles later, yet no other game has followed it (I believe Psychonauts was on consoles first, came to PC later). See my above question about why this game, and indeed all the others, wouldn't have come to PS4/Xbox One yet. It's a massive untapped market, I am 100% sure the developers/publishers would LOVE to get their hands on that money.

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JaxonH

@UmniKnight
There's a lot of reasons.

1 Nintendo could have approached them in their upcoming strategy to take the Chinese market
2 It's a handheld system, has nothing to do with touch, just has to do with being a device centered around portable play, which the game was designed for
3 It's a hot system, and unique, and its catching the interest of a great many mobile developers
4 the target audience could be more suited to their game than PS4/X1 gamers who would likely look down on a "mobile game" on their system, even if it is console quality

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MFD

@EvilLucario I don't mind this being on, but I can't see how this would go with a controller, so I'm guessing it's a handheld only game with touch-controls.

@JaxonH 1 Yeah that will probably have been a part of all this. 2 sigh Have you LOOKED at the game in question, Jaxon? How it plays? Sure people believe the Switch is "more than the sum of it's parts" but we're talking a big business here and their cash cow. They can just as easily just port it over and call it a day, without any changes. 3 Ohh yeah, I've noticed that part. I'm not a fan of mobile ports, so I've not given them any thought. 4 I'm pretty sure the PS4/Xbox One would LOVE something League-like, if only it would control well.

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JaxonH

@UmniKnight
Sure, they could just port it over and call it a day without any changes... but they could also exponentially increase the appeal of the game by adding in controls which, in the big scheme of things, is an infintessimally small addition with an incredibly large potential for return on investment. The sheer number of players who will automatically dismiss it for not having normal controls isn't worth the 40 manhours it would take to translate a digital analog to a real one, and digital buttons to real ones.

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We have seen more mobile games ported to switch and add control schemes then we have seen mobile games not. Fact there's only been one game so far that didn't do it, while every single other game has added them. So not only do you not have any evidence to support your claim, you don't even have precedence on your side

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