Topic: Square Enix has lost a customer until they support the switch 2 properly

I have been looking forward to playing Dragon quest 7 on my switch 2, but it's not available as a physical copy. Only a download.
I don't download games. I'm not a collector of games. I'm a player.
Do I blame this on Nintendo for running two machines at the same time that are not compatible with upgrades? Or should I blame it on Square Enix for not supporting the Switch 2?

@zool
Blame both Nintendo and SquareEnix.
Blame Nintendo for providing game key card option that make a lot of greedy 3rd party game companies choosing game key card option to sell their games with minimum expenses but sacrificing the customer satisfaction with scam product.
Blame SquareEnix to choose game key card in selling their games.

I think you need to get over it. There are alot more important things in life then whether a game is downlaod only or not. If you dont like it that much just dont play it or buy it on Nintendo Switch. Its also available on Xbox, PS5 and PC.

@zool If your issue is that the Switch 2 "physical" is a Key Card, you could buy the DQ7 Switch 1 physical which is a true physical release and play via backwards compatibility.

I understand that, but I have looked at a few comparison sites on YouTube and they show that side by side the Switch graphics are not as good as Switch 2 and only run a 30fps
I feel cheated having bought Dragon Quest 3 2d, and invested in the Switch 2.

@Anti-Matter I do blame both, Nintendo more so.

@zool
In situations like this, just buy the Switch 1 physical and play it on your Switch 2. I've done that for a few games now, and it's totally fine. Most of them even get a natural bump on the Switch 2.

In the case of DQVII, a quick Google shows people saying it's still locked at 30fps if you do it this way, but the graphics themselves are a bit improved.

30 fps for an RPG is not bad at all, my friend.

Mmm. Might sound harsh, but sometimes the blunt truth is what's needed.

I had 600 physical Switch games. 9 years I spent amassing them on a shelf, only to realize not a soul on this earth cares. I'm going to die, and they'll just be sold off for pennies in some auction. Complete and utter vanity.

I had to take a long, hard look in the mirror and decide what I truly value. Is it video games, and the experience they bring? Or is it the emotions I attach to having them physically? That's when I realized life is short, I came into this world naked and will return to the dust just the same. In the meantime, let me enjoy the experience rather than latch onto materialism.

The heart is deceitful above all else. I would lie to myself and convince myself it was because I "wouldn't reall own it" because "what if" yada yada. Conveniently ignoring the fact 95% of games I bought required updates, DLC, fixes, expansions, etc anyways. And if I lost it, it's gone forever, while my entire digital library was preserved when I lost my Switch OLED (I'd switched over to digital by that point).

@rallydefault Since I wrote my first post I found out how the key-card works, it not just a code to download the game.
The card
,in the box can be traded In towards a new game just as though it was a physical game card.
That suits me because I play and trade most games.

@zool
Yep, you can trade them. Way better than codes in boxes.

@JaxonH I know we talked about this a few months ago but it still holds true. I remember a few years ago we both were on that anti-digital bandwagon too but yeah like you I came to realize that physical games are nothing nowadays. Its just the self worth people but behind physical items. They figure people measure you by how much you own which yeah society does. Gamer Youtubers play a big role in this with there walls of games and crap but in the end its not like you can take it with you.

People always claim you dont own the game digitally and you cant keep it forever. Well let me say something to that. I have had physical items lost and stolen over the years, I had my entire Metallica CD collection dating from their beginning stolen from my car when it got broken into. A few years ago I had my physical 3DS games stolen from my house after a fire. That same break in I had my Switch stolen, but because my Switch games where digital when I was able to buy a new Switch I was able to get back my entire Switch library at no cost, I cant say that for my physical games.

The fact is the whole you can't keep digital games long term is just a boogeyman created by those who need physical games.

In the end your are paying for the experience of playing the game not a piece of property. Its not like a physical game is going to give you a different experience over a digital one.

@Tasuki @JaxonH
I think you need to be a bit more open-minded as to why some people buy a lot of physical games, guys.

My games are mostly physical, and I keep all my boxes and game cases and stuff in a tub at the bottom of a closet lol I don't care about displaying what I have or who knows what I have.

For me, it's mostly because I LOVE going to retro game stores and shopping that way. I get really good deals on pre-owned stuff, and I play a ton of older games that are only available physically. I buy digital games and game key cards if those are the only ways to buy a game I really want to play, but otherwise, if I can get the games cheaper and have a fun experience along the way? Why the heck not.

I just picked up Spirt of the North (4 bucks on eshop), Pac Man World 2 (30 bucks on eshop), and Rune Factory 3 Special (40 bucks on eshop) for 40 bucks total at GameStop with their pre-owned sale.

I agree with you that lots of the "physical only! rawr!" people are quick to fearmonger about digital licenses being taken away from you. We haven't really seen that happen to a concerning level, and I don't see it happening in the future by any company that wants to stay in business.

But at the same rate, some people on the "other side" (ugh, I know sorry lol) seem eager to label physical collectors with their own generalizations. Not everybody who buys mostly physical falls into the materialistic/Youtuber buckets.

Thank you for putting this into words so eloquently. On sites like Nintendo Life, it feels like this particular point of view is often drowned under endless complaints about game-key cards, digital-only releases, etc. I don't have anything against collecting as a hobby, but since most buy video games to enjoy the experience and not to have a collector's item that'll last for future generations, the way the collectors tend to dominate this discussion can feel suffocating.

Nintendo so far has an excellent track record of letting us redownload digital purchases, all the way back to the Wii. That's really my only worry, and much like Steam, so far it's not been an issue once for me.

I went mostly digital on Switch 1 because for a handheld device, it's just more convenient anyway. And I have limited space I reserve for books and important objects. Combined with the sad truth that almost every game needs a patch either on day one or within the first month or two, and the whole point of physical from a practical standpoint — plug and play, so to speak — is just moot for me personally.

I wish physical games were still released in better shape, that their boxes were nice and they came with fun manuals, but that's not reality anymore. That's a nice memory to have, but it's not current reality, and it won't come back.

I don't know why folks keep beating a dead horse. If you don't like how Square Enix is handling it then I don't what to tell ya.

@rallydefault Yeah...I'm in serious agreement with your sentiments. Besides...I'm not a hardcore collector. I just buy what I like specifically. Collecting to me is more a hoarders thing. Pardon my bluntness but that's what I see. But at the same time...I'm all for folks having different choices on how they buy their games: physical or digital. Why not have both still? Win-win. Don't take away the other for folks who want physical.

But over time...I'm buying less & less games than I used to. So now...I'm sticking with movies on Blu-ray. You get everything on disk, no patches, & you can find some slap-happy deals from time to time. At some point, I'm gonna have to stop buying games altogether one day.

@DanijoEX-The-Kumiho
Yea, that’s pretty close to my point: let’s just stop labeling and grouping ourselves into one side or the other. People who like physical games aren’t all materialistic, and people who like digital aren’t all putting their heads in the sand.

But I do think the truth needs to be said in the face of misinformation, or else misinformation becomes accepted. @OmnitronVariant’s claim that “almost every game needs a patch” is demonstrably false. A true statement would be that “almost every game has a patch.” Nobody is forcing you to download any patches. You always have the option to not download unless the game is one of a select group where the patch is mandatory, but those games are in a far, far minority.

Doesitplay? is a cool website that can show you if a game has any mandatory patches, if it can be booted entirely offline from the cartridge/disc, etc.

Gonna have to join in on the "you need to get over it" crowd.

The Switch 2 is a tablet and ultimately, digital is the optimal way to go for most developers on the platform. Like it or not, this is what third party support is going to look like. And to be honest with you, this is where gaming as a whole is headed. We already have Digital editions of consoles. The PS5 Pro doesn't even have a disc slot out of the box. It's honestly a miracle to me that Nintendo is even supporting physical media at all, even in the form of game key cards, given that the Switch 2 would benefit the most by scrapping physical cartridges.

What gets me though is that games haven't been complete out of the box in over a decade. Most require day one updates and when you factor in DLC, that's even more reliance on the digital storefront. Boycotting games over not supporting physical editions is a losing battle. You're turning your hobby into an activist chore. Trust me, the sooner you accept digital, that happier you will be.

Although it was very unclear from the first post, it sounds like tthe thread creator just wants the ability to sell/trade games which is an extremely legitimate reason to want physical. The fact that they are perfectly happy with game key cards given the ability to sell and trade is actually refreshing.

In terms of collectors who don't necessarily care about the ability to sell and trade (or buy used), I feel like their pro-physical arguments fall onto 2 camps:

1. For the vibe. Which is a fair personal preference but kind of annoying if they argue it is somehow a universal truth.

2. Made up doomsday scenario of the future where only physical can save games.

@DanijoEX-The-Kumiho
Different people, different perspective.
Collecting stuffs especially for games collector is not just hoarding the stuffs.
Some people really valued the physical games presence more than the convenience of digital games.
It's not just about playing the games with any media, it also about ownership.