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Polvasti

UpsideDownRowlet wrote:

There is nothing wrong with diverse representation in video games. I think its unfortunate that we have a society that politicizes people based on their race, gender, and sexual orientation, but that's sadly how it is. People are mistaken when they say that games with diverse representation place ideology, politics, and agenda over artistic intent, as art is inherently political (e.g. Star Wars opposes imperialism, Pokemon rejects suburbanization, Lord of the Rings supports environmentalism, et cetera. Politics in art is not a problem and never has been.
The crux of the matter lies in the quality of implementation. Any thematic element in a work of art takes skill to weave into the story in a way that feels natural, especially so in a pre-existing series. A lot of people complaining about woke media probably don't want to be discriminatory. Rather, they just don't want to see familiar media change (much in the same way as people resent change in other capacities, like the supposed loss of immersion in Metroid Prime 4, for instance), and poorly implemented political themes can often feel like a substantial change.

Some opportunistic and bigoted grifters have taken advantage of this and created a mass hysteria suggesting that the problem lies in diversity in art, all in the effort of driving up the ad revenue on their cheap videos. I myself have previously fallen victim to this crowd on the internet, but as I learned more in school, I shed those foolish beliefs.

I hope we can all learn to be better at interpreting art and criticizing the true flaws in it.

I just want to quote this message to say it's thoughtful and well-written, and I agree with you 100%.

Polvasti

JaxonH

One thing I learned (and they used to teach this in schools but not anymore- now they tell you what to think rather than how to think) is that until you can make a compelling argument from both sides, demonstrating not only do you understand where all perspectives are coming from but more than that, you can argue your "opponent's" view better than they can, you haven't really fully considered an issue. I lived most of my life never understanding this, and once I did, suddenly I realized how much nuance there was to virtually every debate in existence.

Some positions I changed after learning to argue the other side and realizing it was actually more compelling than my prior beliefs, but even when I didn't change positions, I found that much needed nuance I was missing. Most people just latch onto what they perceive as "their side", declare themselves morally correct, and attack those on the other side with names, insults and condescension.

Even in beliefs I hold most true, I still challenge myself to at least understand why some feel differently and if asked to play devil's advocate, I strive to be able to represent those opposing views better than the ones who hold them.

And that's not easy, but it'll serve as a guard rail against being led astray by emotions, and protect you against becoming radicalized.

It was this very process that led me to my understanding of the current anti-Nintendo climate and what's driving it. I don't agree, but understanding why it's happening helped me realize it's not all just blind hate. Some of it is, as with practically anything, but there are much deeper issues at play.

Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced

kkslider5552000

I feel like I've just naturally thought about both sides of this, as I have been very pro AND anti Nintendo all year. They have continued their winning track record from the Switch 1 generation for the most part very well (in that there were also issues with those year 1 Switch 1 games people forget about) while also being increasingly disappointed with their pricing (finding it to be bad for both consumers and Nintendo).

But I think a key problem is that the internet rewards hyperbole, so I get quickly disinterested in people's takes on both ends.

Non-binary, demiguy, making LPs, still alive

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Lazz

@JaxonH I play Switch Fiction with my son, otherwise I would have taken you up on the offer!

Nick

StuTwo

How come NL is still full of reasonable people who can discuss even occasionally heart felt issues like “normal” human beings who can disagree whilst acknowledging they might not be infallible?

It feels very much not the way of things 2025 but nice all the same.

Except for discussing DK64. That game was always terrible and anyone who disagrees with me on that is going on to my list of “worst people of all time”.

StuTwo

Switch Friend Code: SW-6338-4534-2507

rallydefault

@JaxonH
I agree with everything you've said... except for one. And unfortunately, that one thing really hurts for me to hear from such a reasonable person. Big time. The school thing.

I'm a teacher in a public high school. Never really wanted to reveal that here (maybe I've mentioned that I work "in" education at some point, but never went this far), but your last comment about what is currently being taught in schools stirred me to say this:

What you're saying about schools isn't true. And you need to hear that from someone who actually works in one.

I'm in the trenches every day and have been for 16 years now, and I can tell you that teachers are indeed doing our darndest to still teach kids HOW to think, just as we always have.
That never changed. We do not, do not, do not, do not teach them "what" to think, as you claim. That's a media hook that formed from isolated occurrences and has taken hold over the years during and since Covid, and it's such a shame that schools and teachers are being maligned by such a weighty claim that just isn't true.

Teaching is a profession that has some bad eggs just like any, and the challenges in reaching and teaching modern-day kids and teens who are addicted to social media and their phones are educational challenges unlike any society has seen in the past. Attention spans and reward expectations have fundamentally been altered because of these technologies. But in spite of that, the vast, vast majority of teachers still sticking it out despite all of those challenges and public misconceptions are still teaching how to be inquisitive, reasonable, free-thinking members of society. It takes hard work and a willingness to constantly adapt, but we're trying.

Just had to say that. Thank you if you read it.

rallydefault

JaxonH

Dude... Square Enix is getting roasted by one of it's largest investors who wrote a 100 page report absolutely dunking on Final Fantasy 16, Forspoken and so on. They are not happy.

Here's a vid going over the details

Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced

kkslider5552000

StuTwo wrote:

How come NL is still full of reasonable people who can discuss even occasionally heart felt issues like “normal” human beings who can disagree whilst acknowledging they might not be infallible?

Mods exist and also we're not gonna get money or internet famous from it. That's it, there's nothing else to it. (also this forum isn't popular enough to have issues lol)

Non-binary, demiguy, making LPs, still alive

Megaman Legends 2 Let's Play!:
LeT's PlAy MEGAMAN LEGENDS 2 < Link to LP

FishyS

@rallydefault No one else commented, but I applaud you stepping out and (very eloquently) making that case for schools and teaching. I know this is just a forum on gaming and people don't like to show their full selves and that is fine, but seeing that level of sincerity here sometimes is a breath of fresh air.

As someone who did a little teaching but then fled and moved into a STEM career... I often think about how hard teaching must be nowadays. I mean, it was always hard, but there have been so many new types of challenges in the last few years it's hard to imagine. Teachers who manage it all impress me.

I'm glad we have people like you fighting the good fight.

FishyS

Switch Friend Code: SW-2425-4361-0241

Lazz

@rallydefault well said about teachers, and I applaud you for sharing. I have 3 kids in public education, middle school and high school. We’ve had wonderful experiences with teachers who care. Here’s the thing that the media misses, you aren’t going to change a kid’s opinion on things, even if you were trying to tell them what to think (or most kids won’t change their minds). Though it hasn’t happened with my kids, and likely rarely ever happens…kids are smart and they think for themselves. They learn through experiences, and can differentiate being taught vs being told. They can spot bs from a million miles away.
Thank you for educating our youth, it’s a hard job and under appreciated.

Nick

JaxonH

Wah wah wah WarioWorld on NSO+ right now!

He likes his stacks of 💸 fat, his 🪙 heavy. You know who he is...

Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced

Lazz

I don’t remember seeing anything about WarioWorld and have never played it. Question is, is it good? Well regarded? I was an avid gamer during the gamecube era, how did I miss this?

Nick

Rahmus

rallydefault wrote:

@JaxonH
I agree with everything you've said... except for one. And unfortunately, that one thing really hurts for me to hear from such a reasonable person. Big time. The school thing.

I'm a teacher in a public high school. Never really wanted to reveal that here (maybe I've mentioned that I work "in" education at some point, but never went this far), but your last comment about what is currently being taught in schools stirred me to say this:

What you're saying about schools isn't true. And you need to hear that from someone who actually works in one.

I'm in the trenches every day and have been for 16 years now, and I can tell you that teachers are indeed doing our darndest to still teach kids HOW to think, just as we always have.
That never changed. We do not, do not, do not, do not teach them "what" to think, as you claim. That's a media hook that formed from isolated occurrences and has taken hold over the years during and since Covid, and it's such a shame that schools and teachers are being maligned by such a weighty claim that just isn't true.

Teaching is a profession that has some bad eggs just like any, and the challenges in reaching and teaching modern-day kids and teens who are addicted to social media and their phones are educational challenges unlike any society has seen in the past. Attention spans and reward expectations have fundamentally been altered because of these technologies. But in spite of that, the vast, vast majority of teachers still sticking it out despite all of those challenges and public misconceptions are still teaching how to be inquisitive, reasonable, free-thinking members of society. It takes hard work and a willingness to constantly adapt, but we're trying.

Just had to say that. Thank you if you read it.

This is class.

Rahmus

Rahmus

@Lazz It's good - I've read people saying that it's a classic, which it absolutely isn't. It's a solid platformer with its own quirks which make it well worth playing.

It was lambasted at the time for being overly short but, ironically, that might see it stand in better stead these days as you can probably blast through it in a couple of nights.

Rahmus

skywake

Well, those last couple of pages were a bit of a ride weren't they? I feel somewhat compelled to say a few words after that. Although I do note the risk involved in poking a topic that usually causes fire and we somehow managed to get out of without any scratches

I somewhat see both sides of the discussion. I would agree that certainly there are instances where it seems abundantly clear some media has gone out of its way to wave the diversity flag. Where it's very, very clear that the whole thing is a tokenistic, focus-group driven piece of corporate theatre. And you can usually see it from a mile away. That kind of thing usually results in an audible groan from me, I must admit. It's all just political theatre at that point, these people don't actually care at all, they just know the lines

On the other side of the discussion, it seems wild to me that it should even need saying that egalitarianism is a worthy goal. It should really just be a given. We are all better off if our neighbours do well, whatever their race/religion/gender/sex. So when I see someone get in a lather about some piece of media daring to represent a group they are not a part of? Even in the cases where said media is piece of commercial political theatre. I think all that does is highlight the fragility that person than it does anything else

It's like a certain other person of a similar kind of madness getting the secretary of state to make a statement about a font. I think it's fair to say, getting upset about a font does not project the image of strength said political movement likes to pretend it's all about. Crazy times we live in, you can't make this stuff up

[Edited by skywake]

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Lazz

@Rahmus thank you - being short is a benefit today, especially when available time to game is in short supply.

Nick

JaxonH

@rallydefault
Just saw your post. I'm sorry, that wasn't my intention.

But understand, when I make observations in general, that doesn't mean I'm speaking in absolutes. That doesn't mean I'm speaking for you specifically. I don't know anything about your work there so how could I possibly, ya know?

But there are things I'm saddened to see going on in education, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed in the decline of quality since I was a child. That doesn't mean there aren't still good people working in the field. Again, it's not an absolute. If you're proud of your work, that's great. I was never saying every last person in the world is like that. I'd honestly think you of all people would be inclined to agree with the decline we've seen over the past few decades and how schools don't really teach you how to critically think like they did back in the 80's. Or maybe you disagree because of your personal experience and that is a priority. But I can't tell you how many kids I've spoken to who can't even do basic math anymore (I had to help tutor the daughter of my mom's best friend, and she's always been the smartest in the class, because the curriculum just doesn't make sense, the textbooks they're using don't explain things in the best way, and the teacher was completely ill-equipped to help as they followed the curriculum- I showed her how to factor quadratics using the old, tried and true diamond method and instantly she got it), much less perform high level reason, and that's not an accusation against you, it's an accusation against the system.

From what I know having spoken to you all these years, you sound like precisely the kind of person needed in that field. But there's a difference between individuals and the system itself.

[Edited by JaxonH]

Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced

JaxonH

So... NS2 cracked 200k in Japan last week. Metroid Prime 4 floundered as expected, but, the NS2 version alone sold 3x higher than Metroid Prime Remastered when it dropped, and Octopath Traveler 0 [NS2] essentially matched the PS5 version despite being a game key cart and despite selling to an install base of less than half. It basically matched the NS1 version also despite that version being playable from cart and having an install base over 10x higher.

Idk what that means, but it's interesting.

Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced

DannyBoi

Thinking of getting a switch 2. Any idea on how many charges it will take before needing a new battery, and also how many charges it will take before losing 20% of its capacity?

Destiny, justice and retribrution will be mine.

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