Topic: Nintendo NX

The key difference being the performance between Nintendo's last failed console and sega's dreamcast.
The GameCube had third party support, abiet not as much as the PS2 or the Xbox due to its Mini-Disc (repeating the N64 Cartridge mistake, which ironically its the hardware these past 2 generations that repeated this, tho so much worse in the Wii U's case...)
The GameCube had massive support from Nintendo themselves (there were alot of great first part games on the GameCube, sure we or most ppl seem to say quality or quantity when it comes to Wii U games but Nintendo did both with the GameCube, and a good marketing campain to boot! something the Wii U has lacked since day one. Someones bound to bring up the doughts the GameCube had, lemme say this, there were more releases in the GameCube's first 24 months from Nintendo than there were for the Wii U, they say they weren't prepared for HD game development, maybe making the Wii Q-HD really would have been worth it as Miyamoto said in one interview after the Wii U launched.
The GameCube as far as I remember didn't have nearly as much doom and gloom surrounding it as the Wii U does and has had.

Actually no, I'm going to end this here, you don't bring the GameCube into a argument with the Wii U, it had much more support from Nintendo themselves and even third parties, much more success and the Wii U right now, makes the GameCube look like one of Nintendo's crowning achievements. I highly doupt Zelda (as much as I love the series and will like this game) will save it, if mk8 and smash couldn't (abiet still a lack of marketing from Nintendo...oops) then Star Fox and Zelda arn;t going to do much. The GameCube sold 21 Mil between 2001-2007, the Wii U is sitting on 9.3 as of Nintendo's last update... thats tragic. I don't blame them for making a new console and lets face it if you do the proper research and know the right people who have played Nintendo since the 80s or 90s you will know from word of mouth and critical response that Nintendo is damaged atm. They need fixing, marketing, modernization aka catching up, and being competitive will help fix that. I love the GameCube and I love the Wii U but sheesh, compare a console that today has a good image to one thats struggling to even match it, its a bad argument, nice try though.

One more thing though, I'm not done here since it seems people think that Nintendo catching up with everyone is a bad idea... lets test this by seeing if it was a bad idea to modernize themselves to things Nintendo made standard in the past.

Lets get started...

Nintendo creates the D-Pad . Result: Everyone adopts it
Nintendo makes shoudler buttons with the SNES: Playstaton adopted it
Nintendo made the analog stick on the N64: Playstation and Xbox adopted and went a step further with dual sticks
Nintendo made the rumble pack for the N64: Dualshock and controllers with rumble suddenly pop up
meanwhile in 1999 the dreamcast launches with internet support
Nintendo gave the gamecube analog triggers: Xbox adopted it very quickly obviously, followed by Dualshock 3 and 4 then Nintendo took them away for the Wii U...

Xbox Live creates a standard for online gaming on consoles. before the fanbase thinks i'm saying paid subscriptions are what Nintendo should follow, HOLD ON think about what I'm saying and think about it real hard, Nintendo Network is leagues behind both XBL AND PSN.

The point here is, Nintendo modernized alot of things themselves in the past, and some of you are going to tell me that if they adopt to things others have done, and they can do it in their own way, that its somehow a bad thing. I don't get what this fanbase wants at times, we all want fun games of course but sheesh. Everyone else adopted from something Nintendo did, why not let Nintendo adopt to things others have done, and have become standard fare in the past decade?

See this is why walls of text aren't a good idea. I made a whole bunch of points in that post. I explained how a the vast majority of the complaints people have about the Wii U are problems with services not hardware. I gave a good case as to why the 3DS should be replaced before the Wii U. I addressed every, single point both of you made one by one. But then I made an off-hand comment about how they can still use the Wii U to at least rebuild their image with great software as they did with the Gamecube.

So obviously all of that is ignored and the response is a wall of text about the differences between the Wii U and the Gamecube. And how because I'm not jumping up and down calling for the Wii U to be replaced immediately I'm somehow against them moving forward. Well done for missing the point entirely but I should have known better. Because this is what happens when you post a wall of text.

Those things I listed will probably not be available for Wii U.
They could theoretical make it happen with updates. Even though I like them to do so, that will most likely not happen.
So the only realistic thing to do is expect they will get it right with the next console.

It means trophies, achievements, you get the picture.
Not surprised a neanderthal haven’t heard of it though.

Again you are not reading what I’m writing.
I never said I would like Wii U to be replaced. All I’m saying is what I expect to happen if they did.
But apparently I’m an idiot because the Wii U is perfect!

https://www.google.com/search?q=gaming+reputation+preservation

Maybe you should grow up and not call people names for not getting some weird phrase you just made up on the spot. Just say achievements, like a normal person. Nobody is impressed at how clever you are when you make up nonsense.

As for everything else, I think it's right in the infograph provided by Nintendo themselves at the conference.

The service is quite obviously targeting the Wii U and 3DS, possibly as early as this fall.

I think it's comparable to Xbox Live, which launched on the original Xbox in 2002 for Halo 2 online multiplayer. Microsoft didn't make brand new hardware right then and there to support their new online service. The PS2 had online services too, such as PlayOnline. Valve has been running Steam for years and is only getting into hardware this year. Nobody makes brand new hardware just to launch a new service.

Again, they just announced a deal with a company where that was explicitly one of the main aims. How about we wait for them to actually come through with that before we assume that thing will not change. Consoles aren't static pieces of hardware anymore, they change constantly. I don't expect to get anywhere if you're going to be that stubborn but here are a couple of images for everyone else....

or even more drastic

Also remember when the Wii U launched? How the system moved between menus in seconds? How updates downloaded automatically and downloads could run with the system in standby? How you could move data from one HDD to another or how Wii games could be displayed on the GamePad? What about the way that at launch we could load a game quickly from the gamepad almost instantly or how they could send notifications to us? Well lucky you, because my Wii U at launch was almost broken the software was so bad.....

I haven't once said the Wii U was perfect or insulted you for your points. All I've said is that the things you're complaining about are trivial and can happen without a hardware revision. And that waiting for the NX for these things is pointless because odds are if you are still waiting at that point you'll probably never see it from them. Even more pointless given it makes more sense for the NX to be a portable!

You really expected me to understand what you meant given that:
1. You made up the term and
2. There are no achievements/trophies to "preserve" given they don't even have such a system

And Neanderthal as an insult. Pretty rude really, all evidence points to Neanderthals being just as smart as us. Their sculls and therefore brains were more-or-less the same size as ours. Also some research even points to a lot of people being part-Neanderthal, that we didn't wipe them out we just breed with them. Mostly Europeans. So if you want to call me a Neanderthal? Well I have a French/English heritage so I probably am a bit.

If you want my advice for the future, if you want to mock someone call them Homo erectus. As an added bonus while you're throwing around immature insults you can also giggle about the fact that the name sounds funny. Win win. Or you could just try not being an ass, either way.

I really want NX to launch alongside a 'Nintendo OS'. A unified OS that runs on all Nintendo systems - Wii U, NX and 3DS. It would let you stream games, it would ditch friend codes completely and would have a unified shop/online system, with messages. It could even (partly) run on smartphones and tablets, with message support on those devices, too.

That is speculations.
In this case your opinion is as good as mine, so no need to go all defensive.

Yeah, you are a saint…

I didn’t make up the term.
http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_vs._Wii_U_...

I’m sorry, didn’t think you were going to cry about it.

Let me give you an advise for the future.
Keep an open mind and remember everyone is entitled to their own opinion. There's no need to be condescending.
And please, actually read the post before commenting about it.

@LazerPan
Speculations my pasta. It was quite literally a large part of their announcement. They went at length to make it clear that DeNA was there because of their skill in building that sort of infrastructure. To quote Iwata directly:

So again, I don't know why you're saying "the NX needs to bring this" when that's already on the table. Something that will extend to all of their platforms. Just wait and see what that is before you whine is all I'm saying.

Also wow, me saying your ideas are crap are apparently on par with you trying and failing to say that I'm sub-human. Well done. You can "blabla" me all you want but you're the one who's being a bread stick here. Also that whole "I'm entitled to an option" bit everyone does is bull, it's shorthand for "I'm allowed to be wrong". Technically sure, but your opinion ain't worth jack if you can't defend it. If all you have is a checklist to quote and no reasoning to back it then find another sparring partner

And now a reply to a more civilised post!

@Inkling
Unified OS probably not. But friend codes are basically dead anyways, when the 3DS is gone that'll be the end of them. The Wii U's way of doing it is pretty decent, it just needs a bit more fine tuning. The ability to pull friends from social media for a start. Some extra features ontop of that wouldn't hurt either. Also I think a webstore is a given. Has to happen.

They have not said a single concrete thing they will work on yet. So it is only specualations at this point.

Saying "I am right" and "you are wrong" is really a mature way to make your argument.

You have not backed up anything except a quote from Iwata saying "will jointly develop a new membership service".
That is vague and we can only speculate what that means.
Also, that I expect the next gaming console to have "better online" can't be wrong. It's an opinion
I compare it with an existing system, so it is my opinion that it should be better next time.

If you go through life with that smug attitude and belief of superiority, you won't get many friends.

I don't see any reason to continue arguing with such an ignorant human being.

Please stop with the arguing and silly insults you two.

@LazerPan
I'm only saying your ideas are crap because I think they're crap. If I didn't think they were I wouldn't be disagreeing with you. Also if there's one thing that is bull it's the idea that because you're entitled to express an opinion means that you are then immune from criticism and even ridicule. I'm not attacking you when I say that I think you are wrong. And of course I think I'm right, if I didn't I would have had the guts to say that I wasn't.

And don't even try to back track, by posting a nitpicky "Wii U faults" in a thread about new hardware the implication is that they should replace the Wii U to resolve those issues. All I said initially is that this sort of strategy is a good way for a business to go bankrupt. That most of the things could and should be addressed in software, hopefully as part of this new "membership service" they're working with DeNA on. I don't think it's a stretch to say that they will improve the Wii U over time as they have and everyone else has for every console over the last decade. I doubt the deal with DeNA will amount to nothing.

Also with the insults you're throwing. I know I'm being sarcastic and a bit cheeky but there's a difference between that and flat out insults. I really don't care, I am Australian it's kinda our thing, but I know there are others who would. So probably best to learn a better way to talk online. Smileys also help to set your tone a bit

@skywake
Saying someone's ideas are crap is not a way to have a constructive argument about anything.

This tread is about Nintendo NX. So when I "nitpick" on Wii U, it's just my way of saying what I expect from NX.

Yeah, but all of your expectations are things that are very heavily implied to be exactly what DeNA is working on right now to launch on current hardware, PC, and mobile well before the NX is even formally revealed.

So really, your copy+pasted list from IGN is probably going to be outdated by the time NX comes around. Also, you've taken it for granted that the NX is a Wii U successor. If you want to be wrong a lot, founding your entire argument on pure speculation is a good start.

Well actually that's one of the main features of any argument or debate. One person states their position, the other person states their disagreement and explains why. If the second person doesn't say "I think that's a load of crap" or something similar then there's no argument.

The NX as opposed to the Wii U. Implying that the NX replaces the Wii U. All while ignoring entirely the decent chance that most of these things will be resolved with the deal they struck with DeNA. All I'm saying is that this list of nitpicks are not the sort of things Nintendo should retire the Wii U for. That companies which are that skittish soon become bankrupt.

Better online was one of the things I said in my original post. Please check your facts before accusing me of not knowing about the deal with DeNA.

Yes, I based my argument on a current list on IGN. It might be outdated in the future, but this is the present.
Like I said above, better online was not all I said. So that list is only to back up one of my arguments.

There is a difference between the other person "states their disagreement and explains why" and say "I think that's a load of crap".
You will come better out in life if you just learn that now

The wheel in the sky keeps on turning

*implying this conversation is going in circles

There's a lot of those on Nintendo Life. I'm guilty of participating in some of them.

It always does, welcome to Nintendolife.

_{Let's stop. Now. Both, Please. -MorphMarron}

Awww c'mon MorphMarron, I was enjoying it.
OT: I believed the NX would replace the Wii U when it was revealed. Now, after observing this thread and other news, I'm inclined to think the NX will replace the 3DS.

_{Let's not poke them, please.- MorphMarron}