Why try to use the Kinect 2 to spy on us when you can use phones? Or any other device?
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Why try to use the Kinect 2 to spy on us when you can use phones? Or any other device?
If phones were doing the same thing, then they should be treated exactly the same way. Are there any phones around with this kind of scrutiny? If there is, I'll happily add them to my "avoid like the plague" list.
The only part you were right about was $400 vs. $500, but you still don't get the $60 PS Eye which is another cost if you want "the complete experience".
Even if you don't care about the camera at all, Sony is still supporting it which cists them money. If no one buys the camera, Sony will lose more and more money like usual.
The rest is opinion, which is what you're opinion is based off of.
Also, Microsoft already confirmed that their console has "the edge" over PS4. Sony hardly even knows what they throw in the PS4 consoles, whereas Microsoft does.
All true.
That's a weird argument... Why would I care if Sony loses money on the camera? That's their problem, not mine. The camera was a stupid decision to make in the first place, so I hope they loose money on it and scrap that thing. You'll get the complete experience for $400 as long as you don't care for the camera, if you do, I don't get why you wouldn't just buy a XBO. Personally, I belive buying the camera separate is better. You get a choice. With the XBO you're forced to buy it even if you don't want it, that's b/s.
And honestly, I can't belive people are willing to support that thing concidering all the crap MS has brought up. By supporting it, you'll be supporting all the stupid ideas MS want to bring in to gaming. Doesn't matter if they scrapped the policies (for now), they'll eventually come back if you support them. it's a huge waste of $500 IMO.
We already know the Ps4 is more powerful. So that's not really opinionated. The RAM alone makes a big difference.
You're planning your multiplatform purchases months before the consoles release, rather than waiting till the consoles and games actually release and simply reading reviews.
Ok then.
In that case I don't feel bad about all the bad information and opinions you're getting in this thread.
On a somewhat related note, seeing how idiotic the anti-PS4 'arguments' are is making me feel bad for fanboys of other consoles. I haven't seen this much grasping at straws since sweet tea was half off at the local Chik fil a.
@19Robb92
If you can say PS4 is a stronger machine, so it's not an opinion, then perhaps you could explain the specs? (seriously)
You can go anywhere on the internet, and see people arguing which is better, all coming to one or the other of conclusions.
Kinect 2.0 is factually better. You can't even use the entirety of the Dual Shock 4 without the camera. The PS4 OS doesn't allow splitscreen apps and such like Xbox One.
Those are immediate differences that Xbox One excels at. The specs only matter for how they are used, and why they are used, and Sony generally has mo idea what they're doing at all.
Also, you should care about what kind of money Sony loses on the PS brand, because if Sony doesn't do well as a company, guess what's going to happen to PS4.
@19Robb92
If you can say PS4 is a stronger machine, so it's not an opinion, then perhaps you could explain the specs? (seriously)
You can go anywhere on the internet, and see people arguing which is better, all coming to one or the other of conclusions.
Kinect 2.0 is factually better. You can't even use the entirety of the Dual Shock 4 without the camera. The PS4 OS doesn't allow splitscreen apps and such like Xbox One.
Those are immediate differences that Xbox One excels at. The specs only matter for how they are used, and why they are used, and Sony generally has mo idea what they're doing at all.
Also, you should care about what kind of money Sony loses on the PS brand, because if Sony doesn't do well as a company, guess what's going to happen to PS4.
I'm sure it is, from a technical perspective, but it's not better from a consumer perspective. They force it on you and it's expensive.
Of course you can, the only thing that's related to the camera on the DS4 is the 'blue light'. That doesn't really do anything, no matter if you own the camera or not. So you're wrong.
Also, the split-screen apps are a huge waste of the RAM in the XB One. I just don't get why they didn't go with one simple user interface, instead they had to go with three. MS is doing all kinds of stupid stuff now-a-days.
Sony seems to be on track, MS seems to have fallen off track down to hell and turned their CEO in to the devil.
Why exactly..? I don't own Sony stocks, tbh I wouldn't care if Sony died. As long as I get a great system with great game support I'm happy. And the Ps4 looks to be just that. Their gaming division is the division that's actually making the company money right now, so there's nothing to worry about.
Also, if PS4 is more capable in terms of graphic output, and features, where the hell is that? The Xbox One already seems to have better graphics right of the bat, and that's only if you care.
If the PS4 is stronger than any game console ever, wouldn't that put the price well above the Xbox One? At $400, it seems as though they would be selling it for a $150 loss. Then PS+ is giving away "free games", that they should really be charging for, being in the most dire financial situation of the 3.
The camera, and the PS Vita have native capability with the PS4. How much do you think it costs to add features that require another purchase to use?
Business wise, Sony has gotten lost on the video game market and are falling to their doom. Who knows, maybe the iPod stole their Walkman fame, so they had no where else to turn...
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Why try to use the Kinect 2 to spy on us when you can use phones? Or any other device?
If phones were doing the same thing, then they should be treated exactly the same way. Are there any phones around with this kind of scrutiny? If there is, I'll happily add them to my "avoid like the plague" list.
You could always cover the camera with something... Or wear a nice hat made of tinfoil.
Why try to use the Kinect 2 to spy on us when you can use phones? Or any other device?
If phones were doing the same thing, then they should be treated exactly the same way. Are there any phones around with this kind of scrutiny? If there is, I'll happily add them to my "avoid like the plague" list.
You could always cover the camera with something... Or wear a nice hat made of tinfoil.
Also, if PS4 is more capable in terms of graphic output, and features, where the hell is that? The Xbox One already seems to have better graphics right of the bat, and that's only if you care.
If the PS4 is stronger than any game console ever, wouldn't that put the price well above the Xbox One? At $400, it seems as though they would be selling it for a $150 loss. Then PS+ is giving away "free games", that they should really be charging for, being in the most dire financial situation of the 3.
The camera, and the PS Vita have native capability with the PS4. How much do you think it costs to add features that require another purchase to use?
Business wise, Sony has gotten lost on the video game market and are falling to their doom. Who knows, maybe the iPod stole their Walkman fame, so they had no where else to turn...
The Order: 1886 looks more impressive than any XB One game I've seen. We've also seen features like streaming right from the game you're playing and others can just jump in and watch at any time. Also, multitasking etc. are confirmed.
Not really. BluRay players are cheap now-a-day and most of the technology in both systems are pretty old compared to todays PC parts. The only difference is the inclusion of the camera, if the XB One didn't have that, it'd most likely be cheaper (Sony choose to not include the camera due to the steeper price-point).
The PS Eye isn't needed to play the Ps4, not get the a complete experience. It's a crappy ad on that devs won't use anyway (just like with the Ps3). Same with the Vita. If Sony chose to ad those features and they don't pay off, that sucks for them. I don't care. It's great for consumers that own those products to have some options, and people like me can just ignore that stuff.
it sure looks like they're in a far better place than MS right now at least . If Sony's lost, I can't even begin to imagine what MS is.
@19Robb92
I get it. The numbers are bigger, but do you see how they still have the same amount of CPU cores?
You can't get graphical performance from those higher numbers alone. That's why I'm saying that the PS4 is flexible, but not more capable. There's a difference.
Also, according to your graph, the Xbox One has things the PS4 doesn't, which is the embedded memory and bandwidth within that memory. If your graph is up to date, that's something you overlooked.
Even the extra terraflops could be something completely different than what you might thing. More does not always equal better.
It is ultimately how a console is balanced, and it's apparent they are balanced on different sudes of the spectrum.
The way I perceive this, is that PS4 gives flexibility within the hardware, and Xbox One is balancing it's specs to push every component to the limit. There are differences. Either one is equal for the most part, but I can see Xbox One possibly getting some extra textures or polygons.
It would also be interesting to note, that the PS4 can still connect to an SDTV, while the Xbox One cannot. The Wii U can connect to SDTVs, too, but we're here to argue PS4 vs. Xbox One.
@19Robb92
I get it. The numbers are bigger, but do you see how they still have the same amount of CPU cores?
You can't get graphical performance from those higher numbers alone. That's why I'm saying that the PS4 is flexible, but not more capable. There's a difference.
Also, according to your graph, the Xbox One has things the PS4 doesn't, which is the embedded memory and bandwidth within that memory. If your graph is up to date, that's something you overlooked.
Even the extra terraflops could be something completely different than what you might thing. More does not always equal better.
It is ultimately how a console is balanced, and it's apparent they are balanced on different sudes of the spectrum.
The way I perceive this, is that PS4 gives flexibility within the hardware, and Xbox One is balancing it's specs to push every component to the limit. There are differences. Either one is equal for the most part, but I can see Xbox One possibly getting some extra textures or polygons.
It would also be interesting to note, that the PS4 can still connect to an SDTV, while the Xbox One cannot. The Wii U can connect to SDTVs, too, but we're here to argue PS4 vs. Xbox One.
You can by using the GPU.
It might, but it still doesn't change anything.
Memory is always better. You could ask any developer in the business and they'd tell you they'd like to have more RAM in the systems. These consoles pretty much have the same layout, but the Ps4 is better in some aspects. Which makes it better overall.
Hmm, didn't know that. That's pretty nice. Though HD TV's are so cheap now-a-days so I don't see many people putting that feature to good use.
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The PlayStation 4 is something of which I don't know much about. I really like the controller though. It has a more comfortable and easier grip than the DualShock 3. The sticks are more accurate along with better and more assured triggers. The rumble also seems very realistic. Like say on a shooter, when you use a full-auto gun, than the controller may rumble. It will also indicate warnings and tell if your close to finding things. The rumble may even be a bit of a notification method. I've heard the touch pad is kinda stupid, so just to warn you. The "Share" and "Options" buttons may seem a little awkward due to their names, but they will be something to easily get used to.
I am unsure about online features wether or not it will be similar to the PS3. The PS3 had free online pay and online features. I was told here about PS+. It has a cheap price and I believe it expands PlayStation network, but I don't know if this is gonna be the same for the PS4. I do know that it lacks backwards compatibility, so you may miss out on the great PS3 games I've heard about.
The physical appearance of the console and controller is just beautiful. Blue is my favorite color and I really like having it with black as a base color. The console and the controller have real nifty futuristic looks thanks to the blue lights. The console is also big and looks awesome on your entertainment center. The controller really does share the physical awesomeness of the console.
I don't know much about the launch games, so I'm afraid I can't help you there.
Xbox One:
The Xbox One is also really awesome. The HD graphics shown look very amazing and realistic on the games. The sunlight reflections and the humans looked very well detailed and structured. Especially for Call of Duty Ghosts. The humans looked really real. They got the hair, sweat, dirt under fingernails, EVERYTHING! The cars on the new Forza game looked nifty too.
The games at launch that I know of are Call of Duty Ghosts, a new Forza Motorsport game, a new EA football game, and a Halo television series. Call of Duty Ghosts looked graphically amazing. The cinematic graphics look good, and even the gameplay can support such strong animations. The same goes for the other two games. The football players look very real and their animations flow smoothly with their fast movement. The cars on Forza also look awesome and the sunshine on the metal is fantastic looking.
The features are also nifty, though I REALLY don't like two features. Those two features I hate are the lack of backwards compatibility and the paid online. There are a variety of backwards compatible games (From the 360) that could be missed. Paid online for video apps that you already pay for could be a bad choice for saving money. You also have access to NOTHING without the paid online. Nothing of online, not even your own apps that you are a member for.
Good features are like the amazing multitasking. You can watch a movie, talk to a person on Skype, and browse on a corner menu. The Xbox One.also recognizes you, like by the controller your holding. It will also listen your every words with a more accurate Kinect bar. You can also do certain hand motions while you aren't in a game. Like when you are watching a video, you can raise your arms toward the Kinect Sensor, put your fingers in a clutching position and pull back to go to the menu. It is really neat.
Hey look, according to my previous post, it appears that I like the PS4 more. It may save you money and you will probably have a better experience with it.
Ok, so i'm going to try to summarize so this thread can be more sense,
As of right now, ( and this is a summary of my opinion not fact after reading every response ) I believe the PS4 To have stronger compenents, a better priced system, and is more appealing to hardcore gamers ( I am also hardcore but I don't really favor either console yet ) it also has, better hardware ( closer to that of a computer )
People tend to think this means better third party game graphics... However the ps4 uses off the shelf parts, where as the xbox one processor is custom made by them.. so its like buying a car from a shop, or having it custom made, however in this case we don't even know if the custom will perform as well as the off the shelf. Even if it sounds cooler.
People are saying three different things all over the internet and they can't all be true:
1 Is the PS4 will have better graphics for multiplatform games because of the specs
2 the Xbox one will have better graphics for multiplatform games because it is custom made and they can take advantage of more within the system, and also because people think the cloud will be able to do more then just lightening in the long run
And 3, They will have the same graphics for multiplatform games.. and that the differences between the two are being over hyped, and that the differences are actually even less then this generation ( ps3 vs xbox 360 ) so may I get an opinion from you guys what you think, option 1, 2, or 3? Because I'm over Kinect, it may be neat but it won't be a tie breaker imo..
Can I also ask for a chat comparison of this generations console to compare to the chart for the next generation? Thanks to all!
Ok, so i'm going to try to summarize so this thread can be more sense,
As of right now, ( and this is a summary of my opinion not fact after reading every response ) I believe the PS4 To have stronger compenents, a better priced system, and is more appealing to hardcore gamers ( I am also hardcore but I don't really favor either console yet ) it also has, better hardware ( closer to that of a computer )
People tend to think this means better third party game graphics... However the ps4 uses off the shelf parts, where as the xbox one processor is custom made by them.. so its like buying a car from a shop, or having it custom made, however in this case we don't even know if the custom will perform as well as the off the shelf. Even if it sounds cooler.
People are saying three different things all over the internet and they can't both be true:
1 Is the PS4 stronger because of the specs
2 the Xbox one is stronger because it is custom made and they can take advantage of more within the system, and also because people think the cloud will be able to do more then just lightening in the long run
And 3, They are both the same.. that the differences between the two are being over hyped, and that the differences are actually even less then this generation ( ps3 vs xbox 360 ) so may I get an opinion from you guys what you think, option 1, 2, or 3? Because I'm over Kinect, it may be neat but it won't be a tie breaker imo..
Can I also ask for a chat comparison of this generations console to compare to the chart for the next generation? Thanks to all!
I have heard 2 different stories all over the internet
A quick warning, what I highlighted is balony. The guy who said that doesn't know what he is talking about. He makes up baseless "facts" all the time. There is no evidence supporting what he says. Pretty much every PS4 developer has said that the PS4 is fantastic to develope for. The One hasn't gotten such praise.
Edit: In fact, to really clear up the idea that the One is somehow supposed to to be able to be as strong as PS4, here is a MS dev saying that PS4 is stronger. http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2013/07/xbox_one_developer_con...
Ok, so i'm going to try to summarize so this thread can be more sense,
As of right now, ( and this is a summary of my opinion not fact after reading every response ) I believe the PS4 To have stronger compenents, a better priced system, and is more appealing to hardcore gamers ( I am also hardcore but I don't really favor either console yet ) it also has, better hardware ( closer to that of a computer )
People tend to think this means better third party game graphics... However the ps4 uses off the shelf parts, where as the xbox one processor is custom made by them.. so its like buying a car from a shop, or having it custom made, however in this case we don't even know if the custom will perform as well as the off the shelf. Even if it sounds cooler.
People are saying three different things all over the internet and they can't both be true:
1 Is the PS4 stronger because of the specs
2 the Xbox one is stronger because it is custom made and they can take advantage of more within the system, and also because people think the cloud will be able to do more then just lightening in the long run
And 3, They are both the same.. that the differences between the two are being over hyped, and that the differences are actually even less then this generation ( ps3 vs xbox 360 ) so may I get an opinion from you guys what you think, option 1, 2, or 3? Because I'm over Kinect, it may be neat but it won't be a tie breaker imo..
Can I also ask for a chat comparison of this generations console to compare to the chart for the next generation? Thanks to all!
I have heard 2 different stories all over the internet
A quick warning, what I highlighted is balony. The guy who said that doesn't know what he is talking about. He makes up baseless "facts" all the time. There is no evidence supporting what he says. Pretty much every PS4 developer has said that the PS4 is fantastic to develope for. The One hasn't gotten such praise.
Yeah I understood, I have just heard the same from many and also from Microsoft developers but that doesn't really make anything less of a joke or more of a fact, anyway I would post the picture for the chart comparison for the 360 vs ps3 myself but idk how to post pictures here, Someone with technically knowledge if you could comment on the differences between ps3 and 360 vs the difference of ps4 and xbox one as far as specs go I would really appreciate it as I don't know much about this stuff.
Pretty much, I want to buy whatever console will run the multiplatform game ( the evil within ) the most beautifully, as I live for games such as these..
Edit: I just read your link, and that is weird he would say that... especially when he knew he was being documented, anyway.. the way I look at it is he said " better specs" he also used the wording " on paper " and we all know that doesn't always mean everything.
Also this is a random quote I found on that page that confuses me more...
" Sure they'll both have great looking graphics. Maybe the difference is in performance, frame-rate, multitasking, and how much is going on at once in-game and system, vs. graphics alone. "
Just wait until the games are released. Reviews will compare the console versions immediately anyways.
How a game runs is dependent upon hardware and how a game is developed. Some Wii U ports of PS3/360 games look worse even though the Wii U is technically stronger. If a game is built specifically for the Xbox One and ported to the PS4, it could run and look worse than the Xbox One version.
Unless someone is holding a gun to your head, making you decide now, there's no reason to care at this point. If you have to absolutely make a decision now, there's no technology reason to believe the Xbox One has better hardware. A certain someone might come in here and try to convince you otherwise, but there's no credible, unbiased source that argues against the PS4 having the best hardware this new gen.
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