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Socar wrote:

Kickstarter games are really starting to give excuses for those who donated money to make those games happen. All of a sudden, the game devs that left companies are worshiped like hell even if they don't show game play footage and if they don't even explain what the heck the game is. This of course I'm referring to Bloodstained. I could

I have no idea that fan art can exist even before the game even shows footage. Sure, you have images but they aren't final. Infact, your lovely Igarashi-san has somehow brainwashed you to pick which model you want for the final game when it should have been drumroll please.... ALL of them!

Why? Because this game got like five million bucks. Why can't we get all the three models instead of just sticking out to the winner? Doesn't that affect your money donation if your vote doesn't win that style?

Seriously if people ranting how cash grabbing Fates is for having split versions of the game is fine to give a damn whether the games are different in their own rights or not, but then looking at bloodstained which does the exact same thing that Fates did is fine to not give a damn because of what logic exactly? This further proves my point that Nintendo gets flak for wrong reasons.

You're not fine spending like what? 80$ for three games that supposedly are the same thing (which they aren't) but you're fine spending that same price for a piece of paper that is just a sketch of an underdeveloped game? Internet logic at its finest.

I was gonna post this on Bloodstained thread but no....its an unpopular opinion so its best to be here instead.

Did you even back the game?

Nicolai wrote:

Alright, I gotta stop getting into arguments with jump. Someone remind me next time.

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Socar

Octane wrote:

@Socar: Pledging on Kickstarter isn't the same as buying a game. The game is often a reward for Kickstarter, but you can also just wait until the game is released and buy it then. Nobody's forcing you to pledge $100 on Kickstarter.

Well then if they aren't the same, then how is it that many of the games you have to donate to make it happen and when it does happen, you have to buy the game again to get the game? You are pretty much paying more than the actual cost of the game. Yeah nobody's forcing you to pledge money on them but to those who decide to do it and just get little out of it isn't rewarding to them now is it?

And getting the games what we want isn't easy anymore so we're forced to rely on Spiritual Successors a lot more than the actual IP. I won't be surprised to see Kojima-San made a spiritual successor to either Metal Gear or Policenauts. Why? Because Konami being all mobile would just ruin those IP's anyway.

^ and no, I didn't back the game since I'm not around US. And even then, I'm not convinced to donate money in it because there is no gameplay footage to convince me alone.

After so long...I'm back. Don't ask why

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Socar wrote:

Kickstarter games are really starting to give excuses for those who donated money to make those games happen. All of a sudden, the game devs that left companies are worshiped like hell even if they don't show game play footage and if they don't even explain what the heck the game is. This of course I'm referring to Bloodstained.

I think Igarashi was quite clear when he said it was a spiritual successor to Castlevania. I mean...that was the entire point of the kickstarter trailer...

Socar wrote:

I have no idea that fan art can exist even before the game even shows footage. Sure, you have images but they aren't final. Infact, your lovely Igarashi-san has somehow brainwashed you to pick which model you want for the final game when it should have been drumroll please.... ALL of them!

Lovely? Brainwashed? So creating a successful series is not enough for people to like Igarashi? Am I to assume that Miyamoto, Sakurai, and Aonuma are just as "evil"? As for the models, well, I have nothing to add to that matter.

Socar wrote:

Why? Because this game got like five million bucks. Why can't we get all the three models instead of just sticking out to the winner? Doesn't that affect your money donation if your vote doesn't win that style?

Seriously if people ranting how cash grabbing Fates is for having split versions of the game is fine to give a damn whether the games are different in their own rights or not, but then looking at bloodstained which does the exact same thing that Fates did is fine to not give a damn because of what logic exactly?

Somehow I doubt that not using all models for a character is the same as splitting a game into three. Just a thought...

Socar wrote:

This further proves my point that Nintendo gets flak for wrong reasons.

No, this proves that your posts are incredibly biased. I mean, I can't even put it politely, and I do apologize for that! But a lot of companies get a lot of flak for the wrong reasons anyway.

Socar wrote:

You're not fine spending like what? 80$ for three games that supposedly are the same thing (which they aren't) but you're fine spending that same price for a piece of paper that is just a sketch of an underdeveloped game? Internet logic at its finest.

You are assuming that the critics of Fates and the fans (of Iragashi) are one and the same, which I cannot confirm or disprove.

Socar wrote:

I was gonna post this on Bloodstained thread but no....its an unpopular opinion so its best to be here instead.

Nothing to argue here.

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LzWinky

The fact that the creator himself is making a sequel is what is making the game big

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Socar wrote:

Well then if they aren't the same, then how is it that many of the games you have to donate to make it happen and when it does happen, you have to buy the game again to get the game? You are pretty much paying more than the actual cost of the game. Yeah nobody's forcing you to pledge money on them but to those who decide to do it and just get little out of it isn't rewarding to them now is it?

What are you on about? Virtually all Kickstarters allow you to get a copy of the game, the only time when you can back a kickstarter game without getting a copy of the game is when you make a nominal pledge of something like $1-5 which gives normally gives you a credit in the game, all other pledge levels gets you a copy of the game.

Here's the actual Kickstarter page and there's no $80 pledge level at all where you don't get a copy of the game.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/iga/bloodstained-ritual-...

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CreamyDream wrote:

@TingLz: According to Wiki, he also produced and helped create the Castlevania GBA and DS sequels.

Those are all legitimate sequels that are as true to SotN as it could get without being the same exact game. Meaning, SotN has like 6 legitimate sequel games.

So yea, there is still absolutely no shortage of Igarashi Castlevania games out there to play. Even less of a shortage of Metroidvania games.

I think you missed the point. Sure there wasn't a shortage, but imagine wanting a Zelda game but not getting one for awhile.

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LzWinky

Pledge $28 to get the game. Seems pretty straightforward to me...

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Shinion

@TingLz: to be fair, ask people who pledged significantly more than $28 to get their hands on Godus, Mighty No9 and Red Ash amongst others how straightforward it is and you'll be lucky to get a glowing review of Kickstarter and its use for those games in particular. I like Kickstarter a lot, but I don't blame people who have been turned off of it at all by hacks like Peter Molyneux or Inafune. They've damaged the reputation of Kickstarter as well as themselves with their handling of it.

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Shinion

LzWinky

Well there is a risk with Kickstarter just like any investment. To change Socar's point a bit, you are not really buying the game even if it's promised to you

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Socar

TingLz wrote:

I think Igarashi was quite clear when he said it was a spiritual successor to Castlevania. I mean...that was the entire point of the kickstarter trailer...

And yet he didn't show any footage except his amateur acting.

TingLz wrote:

Lovely? Brainwashed? So creating a successful series is not enough for people to like Igarashi? Am I to assume that Miyamoto, Sakurai, and Aonuma are just as "evil"? As for the models, well, I have nothing to add to that matter.

Just because you're a famous game developer/ producer doesn't mean you can joke around and just put an unprofessional trailer that shows nothing but cheap acts. There's a reason why he's famous and he has to reflect projects based on his fame. What trailer he posted for bloodstained was more of his pride rather than him showing his passion about the game that he's making.

I'll state this example again. Remember Sonic Boom? You know who developed that game? Sanzaru games who are known for Sly Cooper trilogy and Big Red Button who had ex employees of Naughty Dog. Despite knowing that, Boom ended up bombing hard. It just shows that they joked around taking their fame for granted.

The devs behind Playtonic knew that paper art alone wasn't enough so they showed footage for the game because the truth is this, actions speak louder than words especially in games.

TingLz wrote:

No, this proves that your posts are incredibly biased. I mean, I can't even put it politely, and I do apologize for that! But a lot of companies get a lot of flak for the wrong reasons anyway.

Meh....I get that all the time. I somehow get depressed that my opinions are counterattacked more than the others. But I'm used to it.

After so long...I'm back. Don't ask why

X:

LzWinky

Socar wrote:

And yet he didn't show any footage except his amateur acting.

That's because he didn't need to show footage. His reputation and "bad acting" were all that he needed. At least he's showing footage now, so it all worked out.

Socar wrote:

Just because you're a famous game developer/ producer doesn't mean you can joke around and just put an unprofessional trailer that shows nothing but cheap acts. There's a reason why he's famous and he has to reflect projects based on his fame. What trailer he posted for bloodstained was more of his pride rather than him showing his passion about the game that he's making.

Actually he appealed fans the perfect way. His fans were aware of the crap Konami did, and he played along with that. His trailer was actually pretty brilliant imo.

Socar wrote:

I'll state this example again. Remember Sonic Boom? You know who developed that game? Sanzaru games who are known for Sly Cooper trilogy and Big Red Button who had ex employees of Naughty Dog. Despite knowing that, Boom ended up bombing hard. It just shows that they joked around taking their fame for granted.

I don't ever recall Sonic Boom's marketing mentioning them...at all. But your point holds that not everyone is perfect.

Socar wrote:

The devs behind Playtonic knew that paper art alone wasn't enough so they showed footage for the game because the truth is this, actions speak louder than words especially in games.

Except they also pitched that they are the former Rare staffers who made Banjo Kazooie and other games from the N64 era. Their fame and reputation helped raise those millions of dollars too. However it was nice to see footage too.

Socar wrote:

Meh....I get that all the time. I somehow get depressed that my opinions are counterattacked more than the others. But I'm used to it.

No offense to you personally, but you contradict yourself a lot in your posts. You claim that other companies are bad, and you jump on them when they make even the smallest mistake. However, you jump down others' throats when they do the same thing with Nintendo. But, this is nothing unique and everyone is biased in some form. I want to be polite here, so I won't delve into this much more.

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Octane

Socar wrote:

Octane wrote:

@Socar: Pledging on Kickstarter isn't the same as buying a game. The game is often a reward for Kickstarter, but you can also just wait until the game is released and buy it then. Nobody's forcing you to pledge $100 on Kickstarter.

Well then if they aren't the same, then how is it that many of the games you have to donate to make it happen and when it does happen, you have to buy the game again to get the game? You are pretty much paying more than the actual cost of the game. Yeah nobody's forcing you to pledge money on them but to those who decide to do it and just get little out of it isn't rewarding to them now is it?

And getting the games what we want isn't easy anymore so we're forced to rely on Spiritual Successors a lot more than the actual IP. I won't be surprised to see Kojima-San made a spiritual successor to either Metal Gear or Policenauts. Why? Because Konami being all mobile would just ruin those IP's anyway.

^ and no, I didn't back the game since I'm not around US. And even then, I'm not convinced to donate money in it because there is no gameplay footage to convince me alone.

I was going to respond, but then I saw your post and it ended with the usual ''third parties are evil'' nonsense. I'm not going to respond to that.

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Octane

DefHalan

Does it bother anyone else when a game is heavily based on User-Generated Content (something like Mario Maker or the Trials games) but there is developer created content that isn't accessible to users to use in their content?

Like what if there was a developer level in Mario Maker that had certain assets that Users couldn't use. Does that bug anyone else?
I am not saying there is something like that in Mario Maker, I wouldn't know since I don't own the game

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

Whydoievenbother

@DefHalan: That would absolutely bother me, unless you obtain those assets by beating the level.

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Whydoievenbother

Although Microsoft and Sony fans are pretty bad, It's time we acknowledge the faults of the Nintendo fan community.
1. We're overly defensive of Nintendo. Whenever someone brings up the Wii U's poor sales or the fact that Amiibo are glorified on-disc DLC, we get hyper defensive and incredibly accusatory towards the other console developers.
2. If it has an existing Nintendo brand in it, we'll buy it. We like to deny this but let's face it: If say Wii Music was called "Super Mario Bros. Orchestra", we all would've ate it up. We enable this sort of behavior too. It's why we have games that jump the shark like "Metroid Prrime Pinball" and "Link's Crossbow Training".
3. We expect too much of Nintendo We often expect really big things of Nintendo, such as the Handheld/Console Hybrid NX, Zelda U with an open world as big as Skyrim's, etc. When we do this, we always forget how unreasonable those things are. Bethesda spent forever building such a massive world for Skyrim. A hybrid console would not only mean splitting the market, but demanding that games work both on the go and in the living room.

"I'll take a potato chip... AND EAT IT!"
Light Yagami, Death Note
"Ah, the Breakfast Club soundtrack! I can't wait 'til I'm old enough to feel ways about stuff!"
Phillip J. Fry, Futurama

Grumblevolcano

@MrMario02: I'd argue in some respects Nintendo fans don't expect enough from Nintendo. In this day and age, cross-buy should be mandatory for example.

Grumblevolcano

Whydoievenbother

@CreamyDream: These don't apply to every Nintendo fans. And I only do those things sometimes. To prove it:
1. Although Amiibo are not as much as on-disc DLC in that they can be used for multiple games, they're still pretty big scams.
2. I refuse to buy Metroid Prime: Federation Force because it's not Metroid. It's a generic FPS with the Metroid brand slapped across it.
3. The idea of a "Hybrid" console NX wouldn't work. Also why would Nintendo make an incredibly risky gamble after their last console did poorly?

P.S. Did you seriously say "Yo"? It's 2016, not 1986.

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"I'll take a potato chip... AND EAT IT!"
Light Yagami, Death Note
"Ah, the Breakfast Club soundtrack! I can't wait 'til I'm old enough to feel ways about stuff!"
Phillip J. Fry, Futurama

Whydoievenbother

@DarthNocturnal I thought that a Hybrid Console would unify the market too, but the more I thought about it, the less appealing it sounded. If the NX is a hybrid, it would mean that there would be some fans who prefer the handheld convenience, and others who prefer the features of the home console. Both sides would demand games be made more to tailor to their preferred portion of the console and the fanboy wars would be never ending (at least until the next console comes out).

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Light Yagami, Death Note
"Ah, the Breakfast Club soundtrack! I can't wait 'til I'm old enough to feel ways about stuff!"
Phillip J. Fry, Futurama

LzWinky

MrMario02 wrote:

1. Although Amiibo are not as much as on-disc DLC in that they can be used for multiple games, they're still pretty big scams.

Aren't most toys "scams" by the offenders' logic?

MrMario02 wrote:

2. I refuse to buy Metroid Prime: Federation Force because it's not Metroid. It's a generic FPS with the Metroid brand slapped across it.

So you played it? How good are the controls?

MrMario02 wrote:

3. The idea of a "Hybrid" console NX wouldn't work. Also why would Nintendo make an incredibly risky gamble after their last console did poorly?

...why not? You have yet to prove anything here aside from making a lot of conjecture.

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