Topic: Pokémon Sun & Moon - Discussion & Speculation

@DefHalan Try Black 2/White 2. It fixed a lot of problems with the original.

@Meowpheel Glad to see a fellow B2W2 fan!

@LegendOfPokemon honestly, I am just going to wait for them to remake Gen 5. I don't really see a reason to try to jump back into Gen 5 when Gen 7 is about to launch, still have Pokemon to catch in Omega Ruby to complete my living Pokedex, and have tons other games to play (got Xenoblade Chronicles with that My Nintendo discount and Xenoblade Chronicles X for my birthday lol)

Black and White were terrible and the worst games in the series. Black and White 2 were far superior and among the best in the series.

Story is the least of BW's problems. In fact, story is probably the only good thing about that game, it was a step backwards for the series in every other way.

Oh I stand corrected.

Then again I just use rare candies.. but legitmately maybe I'm getting it all wrong since people just triple battle grinded levels via that restaurant in X/Y and that counts as "in battle".

I have a few blissey secret bases in Alpha Sapphire, they make a newly hatched egg go from 1 to 80~ in a few minutes.

It was too streamlined and ended up throwing out a lot of series conventions for the sake of a "fresh start" and people didn't want all of those things removed. Not having older Pokemon means you have to like the newer Pokemon, and considering how people tend to respond to newer Pokemon, that's not exactly something you want to rely on. Plus, when you have as many knockoff Pokemon that fill the same roles as older ones as you do in BW, it kind of defeats the purpose of that "fresh start". Then there's the region design, which is horribly linear and all but removes any sense of exploration, which is kind of important in the RPG genre. And while the decrease in HMs is nice, it also removes a lot of the interesting puzzles and the sense of exploration in the game, outright removing them wasn't quite the right way to handle things. Then they tanked the difficulty with smaller rosters and a ton of handholding in the game. The problem is that they wanted to streamline the game and ended up reaching the opposite extreme, the game was TOO simplistic and was clearly meant to pander to casuals while giving the middle finger to long time fans.

By the end of your post, it feels like you switched from talking about black and white and started talking about x and y.

Too bad about the framerate issues.

There's a noticeable delay when returning from a battle.
I guess triple battles couldn't be handles.

Still, game looks and feels nice.

They both suffer from some of the same problems, so that shouldn't be too surprising. Region design and difficulty are still issues in XY.

Thing is that past regions had a lot of optional paths and backtracking. Unova pretty much has you travel in a straight line and forces you down a particular path from start to finish.

@DefHalan I disagree. It s the overleveling problem and makes the game challenging.

@BlatantlyHeroic Some might find it challenging, I find it slows everything down and makes it less fun. If you want a more challenging experience, then there are ways to make any Pokemon game more challenging, Nuzlocke comes to mind. Black and White decided that they wouldn't let players play the way they have been for years. Black and While decided they wanted people to follow a narrow path, which took away a lot of the enjoyment of experimentation and discovery. It took so long to train that if you decided a Pokemon wasn't supporting the team enough and wanted to switch out, you had to waste hours training a new Pokemon. It removed the Pokemon adventure and tried too hard to limit the player.

Yeah, personally, I would prefer the experience share from the X/Y games. Sure, the game could become really easy with all of your team having a good level, but it's not like they forced you to use the item. If people wanted, they could just ignore it and not use it until needed, like when you are training your team forn online matches with other people, which is what I did.

I can't give my opinion about the B/W games, but the experience share from X/Y was just fine as it was.

I dislike the exp share from XY, mostly because it's all or nothing.

You can't set it to work on some pokemon but not others. It's less functional than it was before.

i liked it alot. exp share was so much easier to use and didn't need you to switch a pokemon out which took away from the battle and wasted a turn.

The BW exp system is great because it keeps people from purposefully overleveling, and then complaining that the game is too easy. This is what those people deserve. The only thing better would be having trainer levels scale with yours.

I've never played anything earlier than 6th gen fully, but I never found a massive problem with the EXP share. I found it encourages using whichever Mon is most suited to the battle rather than spending time having to spend time training your weakest Mons. At the same time, I can see why people dislike it too. I don't think it's anywhere near a perfect system but it breaks away from a fairly monotonous element of the game. (The ability to turn it off is good though if you want a more hardcore experience.)

What was wrong with Talonflame?

The Black and White exp system actually encouraged people to rush through the game in my opinion. I play a very slow game in Pokemon, and was punished hard because of that exp system.

I don't mind more trainers having more Pokemon, it adds variety. That doesn't really have anything to do with the exp system.

@Tsurii I'm pretty sure that they'll become my second favorites in the series (after BW of course). The new mechanics, the changes, the pure amount of background and implications within the story... .

@Tsurii Audinos never spawned enough for me and trying to change my team always means slowing down, but in Black and White it was way more slow than any other Pokemon game. To get a pokemon I wanted to try, to a level that felt like I could continue, it took way too long. Hopefully Sun & Moon doesn't have something as terrible as Black and White had. I understand some people liked that system, but it ruined the experience for me and I hope it doesn't ruin Sun and Moon for me