Topic: Pokémon Sun & Moon - Discussion & Speculation

It's just another way in which The Pokemon Company / Creatures / Game Freak / Charizard Cult / Gardevoir Guild / Celebi Clan is relatively bad at making games.

There is no reason they couldn't have updated XY with compatibility for the ORAS mega evolutions. They already patched that game like eight times anyway.

That was just simple corporate greed.

They're basically a smaller version of Disney, after all.

After you beat oras what exact reason would you have to not sell the games and refund them and then just go back to x/y to battle on?

At that pointing keeping the two games would only be for different music options in battles.

There's a number of reasons why people think its gone.

Yes, they weren't shown off or confirmed making people nervious, but its not the lack of confirmation for it, but what seems to be a lot of confirmation footage against it.

The Z-ring is one suspect as its shown to be for the Z crystal, whether there is a slot for it we don't know, and we don't know if you get it later post game either.

The move select screen lacks a space for mega evolution's button. Through numerous trailers and the treehouse event, there is no mega evolution button even faded out, only the Z move button in all occasions. This assumingly means there is no physical method of mega evolution unless the mechanics were changed or that button gets entirely replaced whenever you're holding a stone on that pokemon.

Then there is theory of them not making any more, since they chose to fancy regional subspecies (alolan forms) instead of giving those pokemon megas. With the increase in number of pokemon, them "killing off" candidates to recieve megas later, and lack of mega evolution influence in other media (there wasn't really much mega evolution in the anime, infact almost all the oras megas made one single cameo in the volcanion movie, and that was it with the season currently ending before gen 7.). In TCG mega evolutions haven't been printed for the upcoming new decks and instead a new mechanic called break is beginning to take its place. With them limiting what megas they can make in the future due to alolas, giving them lame cameos in the anime during their release season with no real recognition, and the lack of confirmation through any of the franchise people think they're just putting them down as a gen 6 thing since they clearly don't have future ideas for them.

This is why people are assuming megas are done like shadow pokemon. We'll have to wait for release to be 100% but with all these theories, links, and suspicious decline in their franchise influence, there's a lot for people to go by to say they're gone.

1- A competitive team depending on a mega evolution exclusive to the ORAS games.
2- Liking to participate in the different beauty contests which weren't featured in X and Y.
3- Disliking the slowdowns of the X/Y games in triple battle sand when using the 3D effect too much.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't get the ORAS games because I didn't feel that they added enough to justify the purchase, but those 3 things are better in those games.

1. If megas from oras were available to x/y, there would be no exclusives, especially with trading.
3. I don't know if that has changed much. I recall seeing frame rate drops in horde battles constantly during shiny hunts.

I think you summed it up perfectly. I think that Z-moves and Alolan forms will replace the Mega Evolutions in generation 7. I mean, they could still exist, but so far we haven't seen anything.

@MegaBeedrill Yeah, I know that, I was discussing why would some people prefer to keep the ORAS games and play them instead of selling them and returning to X and Y like you suggested.

@MegaBeedrill Counter arguments:

-The Z-Ring has a circular slot on the bottom that can easily be for the Key Stone. Even then, ORAS has proven that you don't need a bracelet to hold your keystone as the NPCs have them in various places (glasses, a pin, a giant anchor necklace, etc).
-The move select screen didn't have the Mega Evolution button because none of the footage so far had Pokemon that were holding a Mega Stone. In XY/ORAS, the Mega Evolution button won't be present if none of your Pokemon are holding a Mega Stone.
-The anime is in Kalos, and therefore has Mega Evolutions in general, which did indeed have a large focus. The ORAS Mega Evolutions not getting special focus means nothing. Mega Sceptile and Mega Metagross were present beyond cameos too.
-The TCG introduces new mechanics all the time. Not that big of an indicator.

Now here's the real indicator: merchandise. That's always been the biggest indicator of things when it comes to Pokemon. Mega Evolutions are featured prominently in both recent and upcoming merchandise. If they were to be dropped in Sun/Moon, they'd be suspiciously absent from merchandise, but they're not.

Again, the reason we haven't seen the Mega Evolutions yet is that they're most likely a post-game only feature. For the record, there's screenshots of Sina and Dexio, who have Mega Rings on them.

@IceClimbers

I'm not quite sure where people are seeing the circle on the mega ring, I don't see it on any image or screenshot (admittedly, didn't watch game explain yet so i'll check there), and I'm very sure if mega stone functionality worked with the Z-ring, the Z-ring toy with the Z-crystals would be compatable and designed idenitically for stones.

Sceptile and Metagross where owned by major characters (why steven was in this anime I have no idea) which is why they were featured so well with dedicated episodes, When you look at X/Y just about every mega evolution had its own episode showing that mega off (mawile, kangaskhan, garchomp, obama, blaziken) where as in oras/XY&Z, the first appearence of the majority of mega evolutions was in a movie, not the anime show, and some of them had an average grand total of 27 seconds screen cast time in mega forme in a 1.5 hour film.

Granted the gen 6 anime was terrihorroawfulbad, but its still a massive pushaway to formes that are susposedly a big deal.

Like I said, if we do see them we might just get a second mega ring on the other arm post game with a mega button replacing the z move button, but we can't confirm either side.

There's a circular space on the other side of the ring thing. In-game.

Not that it necessarily means anything, but it's there.

I always wondered the same thing, and it can only be explained as: Money.

It sort of looks like a clasp to me, but I suppose it could also work for a Mega Stone...maybe.

Since they were mentioned a while back, I would love if the main games incorporated Shadow Pokemon. At the same time, both Coliseum/XD were spinoffs themselves, so it makes sense that these were effectively "dropped".

I'd love to see them come back in either a game set in the same spinoff universe, or incorporated in a slightly more mature plotline in future Pokemon games.

Shadow Pokémon were really not a battle mechanic in the same sense as Megas or Z moves.

It was more like... A narrative-induced status effect.

If they were to return, it would need to be for a really good reason.

Shadow pokemon were brilliant, but I can't see them returning in a main series game along with the ability to kidnap them from their trainers, since that's not "kiddy" enough. A spin-off game such as a sequel to Colosseum and XD could have them, but I'm doubtful since it's been years since they've been used.

@crimsontadpoles Yeah, shadow pokemon were back in the era when games could be really dark like TTYD and rated 3+.

I don't think I have anything special to add to the mega evolution discussion but I still doubt they'd just abandon a game mechanic that involves battling. They've added hold items, double battles, abilities, physical/special split, triple battles, rotation battles and so on but never took anything out as far as I can recall.

They haven't had any special reasons to show mega evolving since they are not the focus. I'm pretty sure they'll add more once they remake Diamond and Pearl since I'd be really surprised if Gen 4 starters don't get the same treatment as Gen 1 and 3 starters. Now that I think about it, it would kind of make sense if Gen 2 starters got megas in Sun & Moon. Gen 1 starters got mega evolutions since it was unavoidable fanservice, Gen 3 got a teaser Mega Blaziken and once the remakes came out, Sceptile and Swampert got mega evolutions as well. They won't release any games that focus on Gen 2 anytime soon so mega evolutions for Meganium, Typhlosion and Feraligatr could come now with a teaser mega from Gen 4. This is some pretty wild guessing though. Don't read more into it.

They might not make more mega evolutions for Sun & Moon but I'm pretty sure the old ones are still available. You can laugh at me all you want if they don't end up being in the game. I don't mind.

It's September 28th in Japan. This means that these games are now 10 years old:

Makes me feel old.

@IceClimbers Eurph. I hate it when things that aren't supposed to be old are suddenly old. Gen 1 has every right to be old, but Gen 4 is just being cheeky.

I guess if it makes you feel any younger, they were just one console generation ago. They were the flagship Pokemon games of the Nintendo DS. Now here we are on the Nintendo 3DS. Just one console after. So there. Not old at all.

Not old.

...

Not... old.

They're so clunky compared to the other ds games though.

Their age shows.

So old.

Imagines the fish from The Spongebob Squarepants Movie who witnessed King Neptune's baldness.

Only instead of saying "Bald...bald...", they're saying "Old...old..."

...It's already been 10 years? T_T