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shaneoh

Indy83 wrote:

But you cats need to pay attention to what is being said, and what is being done....

Hearing and seeing things that aren't there apparently.

Indy83 wrote:

Its not the game people should be upset about.

This is not a spin off. This is an attempt, at the future of mainline metroid.

"We believe that in order to propel the franchises forward, we have to be the ones to constantly challenge the paradigms, challenge the conventional wisdom, challenge what we thought was the essence of the particular franchise, and a particular form of gameplay."

Wow, they don't want their games to stagnate, they want to try new things and see if it works. Oh my, how criminal. I mean it's not as if they ever deviated from the original Super Mario Bros. formula. Can you imagine if they made a 3D Mario game where you don't end the level by touching the flagpole? How awful would that be? Seriously, that would be such a bad choice, one which they could never return from. Almost as bad as a 3D Zelda...

Indy83 wrote:

And its a response to Nintendo being completely baffled as to why people didnt like other M. They think its because people dont like metroid style game design, despite other m literally being an anti metroid in design

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2010/11/reggie_wonders_where...

The code and PR was favourable, so obviously problem was gameplay. Definitely couldn't have been the story, the asthetics, the controls or anything else.

This is such an overreaction.

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DefHalan

Big Wall of text telling me how Metroid is doomed. Don't need to read that for the millionth time.

If people aren't buying Metroid games then Metroid games won't be made. I waited 10 years since the last Star Fox game (a series I hold with the greats: Doom, Pokemon, Zelda) if you want to find out how that feels, then ignore the games. Ignore Federation Force. However, if you want the series to continue, if you want Metroid to be a more frequent release than Star Fox or F-Zero, then support it. Buy the games but make sure to give your feedback. Complaining about a game that hasn't released because it does look like it plays like others in the series will lead to Metroid being shelved. You aren't fighting for the classic gameplay, you are only fighting against the mew game in a series.

You can read into small phrases for "evidence" of your series being "destroyed" but what will ultimately decide the future of a series is sales numbers. Just because a spin-off sells well does not mean that is all they will make from then on, and I think Nintendo has proven that with the number of spin-offs they do and yet still return to the core of the series.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

Indy83

DefHalan wrote:

Big Wall of text telling me how Metroid is doomed. Don't need to read that for the millionth time.

If people aren't buying Metroid games then Metroid games won't be made. I waited 10 years since the last Star Fox game (a series I hold with the greats: Doom, Pokemon, Zelda) if you want to find out how that feels, then ignore the games. Ignore Federation Force. However, if you want the series to continue, if you want Metroid to be a more frequent release than Star Fox or F-Zero, then support it. Buy the games but make sure to give your feedback. Complaining about a game that hasn't released because it does look like it plays like others in the series will lead to Metroid being shelved. You aren't fighting for the classic gameplay, you are only fighting against the mew game in a series.

You can read into small phrases for "evidence" of your series being "destroyed" but what will ultimately decide the future of a series is sales numbers. Just because a spin-off sells well does not mean that is all they will make from then on, and I think Nintendo has proven that with the number of spin-offs they do and yet still return to the core of the series.

Of course you wont read it. And of course you will respond as if you have any semblance of a clue what is in it.

Worst Generation.

Metroid games arent being made.

A poorly done co-op arena shooter is being made, and it just happens to have the metroid name. The names not what makes the game.

Dont you kids do basic literature in school anymore? Shakespeare?

It doesnt matter what name you call a rose, because it is a rose. The name is irrelevant. So you can call a fork a rose all you want. Its still a fork.

If the series I love, no longer does any of the things I love it for, It's not the series I love. Its just a name. Not rocket science.

Yeah, sure thing kid. Say hi to silent hill and castlevania for me. Cause, eventhough those pachinko machines make more money than konamis pooch screwed releases did, they're totally coming back. any second now. Is PT back up yet?

How about now?

Is that new silent hill out?

Any second now.

Metroid is NOT like those other series that get spinoffs. Marios core series is still sucsessful. Zeldas core series, is still successful.

Metroid had a disastrous mainline entry that was the most expensive game nintendo ever produced and was a gigantic flop.... But they legitimately believe it was the greatest entry in the series they ever made.

Federation forces is an attempt to leverage the power of Nintendo's IP's to increase revenue. They are looking for ways to make money with metroid, because it is a big name with a lot of power behind it, but they are not looking to make a metroid game.

The only reason they would be doubting this path, is the reaction Federation forces got. But even still, they attempted to double down, and basically call dissenters morons who were too stupid to see that federation forces was 'Actually a real metroid game'.

And now, they are very quiet again. Even if they DO attempt to make a new mainline metroid game, its highly likely its going to be another other m, but with just a more palettable story. The tell will be whether or not they talk about new power ups, which are the crux of metroid design.

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Indy83

DefHalan

@shaneoh: Basically what it sounds like. Lol

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

Bolt_Strike

DefHalan wrote:

Big Wall of text telling me how Metroid is doomed. Don't need to read that for the millionth time.

If people aren't buying Metroid games then Metroid games won't be made. I waited 10 years since the last Star Fox game (a series I hold with the greats: Doom, Pokemon, Zelda) if you want to find out how that feels, then ignore the games. Ignore Federation Force. However, if you want the series to continue, if you want Metroid to be a more frequent release than Star Fox or F-Zero, then support it. Buy the games but make sure to give your feedback. Complaining about a game that hasn't released because it does look like it plays like others in the series will lead to Metroid being shelved. You aren't fighting for the classic gameplay, you are only fighting against the mew game in a series.

You can read into small phrases for "evidence" of your series being "destroyed" but what will ultimately decide the future of a series is sales numbers. Just because a spin-off sells well does not mean that is all they will make from then on, and I think Nintendo has proven that with the number of spin-offs they do and yet still return to the core of the series.

The problem is that the only feedback we can really give is sales, ever since Club Nintendo went away there's been no real outlet for these kinds of complaints. So that creates a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Either you support Federation Force which encourages them to make more of them, or you ignore it and let Metroid die. There's no real way to tell them we want a Metroid game that focuses on exploration.

Bolt_Strike

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jump

Bolt_Strike wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

Big Wall of text telling me how Metroid is doomed. Don't need to read that for the millionth time.

If people aren't buying Metroid games then Metroid games won't be made. I waited 10 years since the last Star Fox game (a series I hold with the greats: Doom, Pokemon, Zelda) if you want to find out how that feels, then ignore the games. Ignore Federation Force. However, if you want the series to continue, if you want Metroid to be a more frequent release than Star Fox or F-Zero, then support it. Buy the games but make sure to give your feedback. Complaining about a game that hasn't released because it does look like it plays like others in the series will lead to Metroid being shelved. You aren't fighting for the classic gameplay, you are only fighting against the mew game in a series.

You can read into small phrases for "evidence" of your series being "destroyed" but what will ultimately decide the future of a series is sales numbers. Just because a spin-off sells well does not mean that is all they will make from then on, and I think Nintendo has proven that with the number of spin-offs they do and yet still return to the core of the series.

The problem is that the only feedback we can really give is sales, ever since Club Nintendo went away there's been no real outlet for these kinds of complaints. So that creates a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Either you support Federation Force which encourages them to make more of them, or you ignore it and let Metroid die. There's no real way to tell them we want a Metroid game that focuses on exploration.

Even then you'd have to buy the game to fill out a survey with Club Ninty and since most of the people that are complaining wouldn't buy it they still wouldn't have an outlet to complain.

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Gultigargar

Indy83 wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

Big Wall of text telling me how Metroid is doomed. Don't need to read that for the millionth time.

If people aren't buying Metroid games then Metroid games won't be made. I waited 10 years since the last Star Fox game (a series I hold with the greats: Doom, Pokemon, Zelda) if you want to find out how that feels, then ignore the games. Ignore Federation Force. However, if you want the series to continue, if you want Metroid to be a more frequent release than Star Fox or F-Zero, then support it. Buy the games but make sure to give your feedback. Complaining about a game that hasn't released because it does look like it plays like others in the series will lead to Metroid being shelved. You aren't fighting for the classic gameplay, you are only fighting against the mew game in a series.

You can read into small phrases for "evidence" of your series being "destroyed" but what will ultimately decide the future of a series is sales numbers. Just because a spin-off sells well does not mean that is all they will make from then on, and I think Nintendo has proven that with the number of spin-offs they do and yet still return to the core of the series.

Of course you wont read it. And of course you will respond as if you have any semblance of a clue what is in it.

Worst Generation.

Metroid games arent being made.

A poorly done co-op arena shooter is being made, and it just happens to have the metroid name. The names not what makes the game.

Dont you kids do basic literature in school anymore? Shakespeare?

It doesnt matter what name you call a rose, because it is a rose. The name is irrelevant. So you can call a fork a rose all you want. Its still a fork.

If the series I love, no longer does any of the things I love it for, It's not the series I love. Its just a name. Not rocket science.

Yeah, sure thing kid. Say hi to silent hill and castlevania for me. Cause, eventhough those pachinko machines make more money than konamis pooch screwed releases did, they're totally coming back. any second now. Is PT back up yet?

How about now?

Is that new silent hill out?

Any second now.

Metroid is NOT like those other series that get spinoffs. Marios core series is still sucsessful. Zeldas core series, is still successful.

Metroid had a disastrous mainline entry that was the most expensive game nintendo ever produced and was a gigantic flop.... But they legitimately believe it was the greatest entry in the series they ever made.

Federation forces is an attempt to leverage the power of Nintendo's IP's to increase revenue. They are looking for ways to make money with metroid, because it is a big name with a lot of power behind it, but they are not looking to make a metroid game.

The only reason they would be doubting this path, is the reaction Federation forces got. But even still, they attempted to double down, and basically call dissenters morons who were too stupid to see that federation forces was 'Actually a real metroid game'.

And now, they are very quiet again. Even if they DO attempt to make a new mainline metroid game, its highly likely its going to be another other m, but with just a more palettable story. The tell will be whether or not they talk about new power ups, which are the crux of metroid design.

To be honest, Mario series is not sucsessful with it games lately, with most 2D games being repetitive or taken down for unknown reasons, or simply a lack of content.

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DefHalan

Bolt_Strike wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

Big Wall of text telling me how Metroid is doomed. Don't need to read that for the millionth time.

If people aren't buying Metroid games then Metroid games won't be made. I waited 10 years since the last Star Fox game (a series I hold with the greats: Doom, Pokemon, Zelda) if you want to find out how that feels, then ignore the games. Ignore Federation Force. However, if you want the series to continue, if you want Metroid to be a more frequent release than Star Fox or F-Zero, then support it. Buy the games but make sure to give your feedback. Complaining about a game that hasn't released because it does look like it plays like others in the series will lead to Metroid being shelved. You aren't fighting for the classic gameplay, you are only fighting against the mew game in a series.

You can read into small phrases for "evidence" of your series being "destroyed" but what will ultimately decide the future of a series is sales numbers. Just because a spin-off sells well does not mean that is all they will make from then on, and I think Nintendo has proven that with the number of spin-offs they do and yet still return to the core of the series.

The problem is that the only feedback we can really give is sales, ever since Club Nintendo went away there's been no real outlet for these kinds of complaints. So that creates a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Either you support Federation Force which encourages them to make more of them, or you ignore it and let Metroid die. There's no real way to tell them we want a Metroid game that focuses on exploration.

Only if you believe Club Nintendo was the only place they listened to. Miiverse, Twitter, Facebook. So many places to have your voice heard. Federation Force is not going to be canceled, but that doesn't mean the whole series should stop. As a Star Fox fan, I encourage people to embrace spin-offs because there are plans already for the next Metroid game but you don't want to have to wait 10 years for them

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

sr_388

I just noticed on the Nintendo Website the game said to release August 19, 2016 (US at least). I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure that's not late Spring. But hey, it's a release date!

sr_388

TuVictus

It was a formal delay. And I think Nintendo seems to use miiverse to gauge public opinion along with regular social media channels. Remember when they would talk about how surprised they were with the artwork on miiverse, or just how many people wanted EB on the eShop? They seem to use miiverse as a sort of preliminary "What do people want". If only a little bit. But yes, they should have more formal avenues for suggestions.

But maybe not. After all, Miyamoto gave Sticker Star the story it had because he said many of the Club Nintendo opinions said they didn't care much for Super Paper Mario's story.

TuVictus

Socar

Yellowkoopa wrote:

Bolt_Strike wrote:

The problem is that the only feedback we can really give is sales, ever since Club Nintendo went away there's been no real outlet for these kinds of complaints. So that creates a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Either you support Federation Force which encourages them to make more of them, or you ignore it and let Metroid die. There's no real way to tell them we want a Metroid game that focuses on exploration.

That's exactly the situation with Paper Mario Sticker Star/Color Splash and Splatoon not having voice chat. Shows that Nintendo couldn't be more out of touch with the fan base.

Well what can you expect? Sticker Star sold well...probably more too well than the other Paper games. As much as I would love Nintendo to make a true Paper Mario RPG, I just realized that what they really want to do is to offer new things in the RPG genre and since RPGs are based on old game mechanics (particularly grinding) they just don't want to focus RPGs as much as other genres.

Splatoon sold very well even without voice chat....not a good example here. You could have listed those spin offs last year which honestly doesn't say much.

Man, so much negativity here for this game.... I'm not getting it unless I know that it will have something like Uprising which has a decent chunk of single player. But from what I watched, the game isn't bad or horrible. The only thing that jarring is in the visual department but really...its not saying much since the game looks nice.

From all the impressions I've watched, most of them are saying that the game is decent and it looks like its decent. So I doubt that the actual game is horrible at all.

You guys need to quit bickering that the game is bad because it sure as hell doesn't look bad at all. The worst case scenario would be that this game will end up like Triforce Heroes being forced to play on multiplayer than single player.

First of all, an IP needs to expand further if it needs to exist. If the IP can't expand, then the IP is better off being dead. FE could be on a long hiatus if IS/Nintendo can't come up with something. F-Zero is probably as good as dead. Its a racing game but its good to have spin offs to expand the IP further.

It works for Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Star Fox, Fire Emblem, Mii and Kirby. So why not Metroid, F-Zero, Kid Icarus and many other dormant IP?

If Nintendo can't expand the IP further, then the IP is doomed to begin with. That's what happened to Chibi Robo. Nintendo knew that if they simply milk the same thing over again, there's no point in Chibi Robo at all.

And don't give me that "Oh Mario's being milked with the same thing!" First of all, the level designs are always fresh and creative in millions of ways. Second, new powerups and lastly, its a platformer series. Sure, the 2D ones aren't doing well recently, but with Super Mario Maker out there, its bound to do even better next gen.

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Shinion

Jeez what a meltdown that last page was lol, rouding out with the old but still gold "Nintendo couldn't be more out of touch with their fanbase" hyperbole because someone didn't like a few games.

That was quite something. But then again it's Federation Force so it's not like rationality and perspective are to be expected.

Shinion

Socar

TheLastLugia wrote:

Jeez what a meltdown that last page was lol, rouding out with the old but still gold "Nintendo couldn't be more out of touch with their fanbase" hyperbole because someone didn't like a few games.

That was quite something. But then again it's Federation Force so it's not like rationality and perspective are to be expected.

If this game weren't a Metroid game, I highly doubt that this game would have any attention to it....only reason that it has some attention is because of it having the word Metroid.

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roy130390

DefHalan wrote:

Big Wall of text telling me how Metroid is doomed. Don't need to read that for the millionth time.

If people aren't buying Metroid games then Metroid games won't be made. I waited 10 years since the last Star Fox game (a series I hold with the greats: Doom, Pokemon, Zelda) if you want to find out how that feels, then ignore the games. Ignore Federation Force. However, if you want the series to continue, if you want Metroid to be a more frequent release than Star Fox or F-Zero, then support it. Buy the games but make sure to give your feedback. Complaining about a game that hasn't released because it does look like it plays like others in the series will lead to Metroid being shelved. You aren't fighting for the classic gameplay, you are only fighting against the mew game in a series.

You can read into small phrases for "evidence" of your series being "destroyed" but what will ultimately decide the future of a series is sales numbers. Just because a spin-off sells well does not mean that is all they will make from then on, and I think Nintendo has proven that with the number of spin-offs they do and yet still return to the core of the series.

This. I don't know about others, but I'm gonna give Federation Force a chance. These conspiracy theories about Nintendo not wanting money and wanting to destroy every franchise are getting ridiculous. Many games change for the best, others don't,. The truth is, as much as I love, really love Metroid (Super Metroid is my favourite game of all time) the sales of the games weren't as successful as they deserved, so now they are trying new approaches. Other than the dumb selection of the chibi style, I haven't seen any good reason to criticize the game.

It's a shame that people can't take off the nostalgia glasses and give games a fair chance when they transform into something different. I honestly think that most of the gaming community is getting bitter day by day and hating games for the sake of hating. It doesn't matter to me if others consider that I have bad taste in games, low standards or whatever, I'll keep on enjoying games while they write walls of text of why people like me are idiots just because we still find joy instead of living in the past and hating new games because according to them they aren't as good as they were.

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Pokefanmum82

i have this game preordered. I don't have the same rose colored view of this game because while I've played past Metroid games, I'm not a big fangirl of the franchise. And even if I was I'd still give this game a chance because I believe in basing my like or dislike of a game on playing said game and not liking it or liking it. I've always been this way. I'm a big Pokemon fan and the only games I ever missed of those was Leaf Green/FireRed and Ruby/Sapphire but that's only because I never got a GBA and only really starting playing Pokemon again once I got a DS Lite and started from there. Honestly if the game didn't have Metroid in the title I honestly don't think people would hate it as much.

Anyways I can't wait to give this game a try and worst comes to worst & I don't like it, I'll either give it to my son or trade it in for something else.

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shaneoh

Yellowkoopa wrote:

Splatoon not having voice chat. Shows that Nintendo couldn't be more out of touch with the fan base.

Yeah, Splatoon doesn't need voice chat. I'm not spending a third of the match time blocking the obnoxious, mentally deficient fools blasting music/profanities over the mic. I also don't see it being a very constructive tool considering the matches are a bare handful of minutes. So no, they aren't out of touch with the fan base.

Pokefanmum82 wrote:

I believe in basing my like or dislike of a game on playing said game and not liking it or liking it.

Evidently you're a reasonable human being

Bolt_Strike wrote:

The problem is that the only feedback we can really give is sales, ever since Club Nintendo went away there's been no real outlet for these kinds of complaints. So that creates a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Either you support Federation Force which encourages them to make more of them, or you ignore it and let Metroid die. There's no real way to tell them we want a Metroid game that focuses on exploration.

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Shinion

I played two Overwatch matches with voice chat on, the first had someone singing very obnoxiously and the second had someone swearing because of course it did. Then there's a rather large thread on Neogaf discussing how no one uses voice chat anymore, specifically relating to a team-based shooter like Overwatch.

But sure Nintendo are out of touch. Clearly.

Shinion

DefHalan

TheLastLugia wrote:

I played two Overwatch matches with voice chat on, the first had someone singing very obnoxiously and the second had someone swearing because of course it did. Then there's a rather large thread on Neogaf discussing how no one uses voice chat anymore, specifically relating to a team-based shooter like Overwatch.

But sure Nintendo are out of touch. Clearly.

This is why we need a system wide party chat, not specific game voice chat lol, but on the 3DS it might be even less needed.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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