Topic: Gyro Aiming

@JaxonH All in with Xbox Series and Gamepass then, I take it? At least for games not on Switch?

Although with Steam, you also get the benefit of hybrid play.

Never was a fan of Gyro Controls but the one game for me where it was quite excellent was Doom Eternal. Normally I'm not that good at FPS but having Gyro Aiming made me so much better at the game.

I was lucky to get a Series X and PS5 at launch but admittedly I haven't played on them very much so honestly I don't think anyone is missing out on that much atm considering the fact most games can also be purchased on Xbox One/PS4.

@Ralizah
Absolutely. If it's on Switch and has Gyro, I'll stick with Switch. But for games not on Switch, or that don't have gyro (Bioshock Collection) I'll play on Xbox.

It's just so much more convenient to use than PC.

But... you're right about Steamdeck. And that alone will keep my tied to PC and Steam. Still, quite a few games aren't on Steam (Immortals Fenyx Rising which has cross save with Switch, but up until now, no other platform with gyro... that changes now, or Call of Duty Vanguard, or Assassin's Creed Valhalla, etc). These can all now be played with gyro on Xbox.

Even so, Steamdeck offers hybrid play with gyro. Its just that A) Not every game will be compatible with the Deck, B) not every game is on Steam, and C) some games you just feel like playing on the TV, and if you're gonna do that, Xbox is a better experience

So even if it doesn't completely upend me from the Steam ecosystem it's still going to have a pretty sizable impact on my gaming habits moving forward.

Call of Duty Vanguard.

The aiming is soooooo good. I've never experienced gyro this smooth, buttery and stable before, yet still ultra responsive. I'm bewildered.

This game rocks! Been wanting to play CoD again for years, but only just recently got the full series on Steam, EXCEPT Modern Warfare 2 Remastered and Vanguard, which aren't on Steam. So guess where I bought them today? That's right. Good ol' Series X.

And I don't regret it for a second. The game is excellent. The aiming, as already mentioned, is on another level. I had so much fun in that first chapter I was beside myself with glee. THIS is what FPS is supposed to feel like! I was rockin it, too! Headshots left and right, across the train tracks, taking out dudes in driving vehicles, I was a machine! You can't stop the Gyronator!

@WaveBoy
Yes. It's the best gyro I've ever used. It feels like mouse gyro but... smoother? If that makes sense. And without any noticeable drift.

It comes down to the settings, really, but the quality of the gyro is beyond that of any other controller. I read them talking about how other controllers wouldn't meet the standards to do what this one does. And I believe it.

@WaveBoy
I don't use a table.

I sit in a recliner and just hold the controller like I normally do. The gyro can be set to activate when Aiming Down Sights (ADS) which is how I prefer it. Always On is an option though. As is "ADS + Fire" so that if you're firing from the Hip, gyro activates as well.

There is no re-enter button, btw. Because it's mapping analog input, it has no way of knowing what "center" is. Since that's determined by the game, not the controller.

Not that it's needed.

Rumble is also disabled from the game because they didn't want it interfering with the gyroscope. But the team told me they're looking at adding it in an update for users to optionally enable. The controller does offer the option to rumble when you hit max speed though. It depends on the in game sensitivities being maxed out so it has as much speed to work with as possible, and you then adjust sensitivity through the app.

So, Jibb Smart, known in the gyro community as a huge advocate and creator of JoyshockMapper and flick stick, has worked with Epic Games to add flawless native gyro and flickstick to Fortnite.

Whether or not you play this game, this is MASSIVE for gyro aiming and progress.

Switch gamers are already on board. It's PS gamers who need to be convinced.

Between Fortnite and Horizon FB, both online and offline games, that could be enough to create a snowball effect where gamers start demanding it from devs and gyro finally goes mainstream. Similar to how Splatoon 2 and Zelda BotW helped gyro go mainstream on Switch.

The times... they are a changin!

[Swings at air]

Yes!

Connected my spare Nexus to PS5, and it's working on PS4 games! Horizon Zero Dawn, God of War, Uncharted 4, Monster Hunter World... all with excellent gyro aiming!

Man...

LETS. FREAKING. GO!!!

@WaveBoy
I think it looks fine. But I also don't really care one way or the other. It's a tool held in my hands, not a hat I wear as a fashion statement. Not to say I don't like my custom Switch Pro Controller which is super snazzy, but at the end of the day, I don't really care. Dualsense is butt ugly and yet, I still love that controller (battery life aside). Of course, Dualsense only takes advantage of haptics and stuff on native PS5 games, not PS4 or PC games, and I rarely buy native PS5 games due to lack of gyro. Unless it's a full exclusive which either offers native gyro or doesn't utilize aiming as a mechanic (and is a game I'm actually interested in) I buy on Steam or Series X, depending on which is more viable for gyro aiming (that's why Series X with Nexus is so clutch- not all games are on Steam).

I just can't believe some company actually figured out a way to make this work. I never thought it would have been possible, especially since it's using analog input. But, I guess if the mapping algorithm is correct and you can transform it into a perfect 1:1 mouse output, it actually can be done.

Exciting times. I can't wait to see their future revisions. Provised this is successful enough, that is. Their Apex was for KB/M of which there are tens of millions of gamers who use that control scheme. How many are enlightened with respect to gyro? Probably not that many by comparison.

That's why I got two. I'm stocking up just in case. Can't risk them going out of production like Steam Controller.

@NeonPizza the reason that it is not compatible with ps5 games is because sony encrpyted the dualsense for those games. there are two reasons they did that. They (Sony) have in the past licensed rumble from a company called immersion.

Every other developer that uses rumble in there controllers pay licensing fees to immersion. someone has mentionted to me that the dualsense encryption was because mircrosoft wanted to give the m**dle finger to immersion and they developted there own licensed veriosn of rumble (haptic feedback.) the second reason is if they limiot player to experience all the new games with those features like dualsense triggers and haptics, then more developers would start adding these to games.

Those are the two main reasons whe as player do not get to choose wich controller we want to use. I dont know if anyone else has mentioned this, but if you have a good internet connetion then you could use a beloader pro adapter. This adapter strips out the video and audio signal from remote play to reduce lag. So basicly you are not playing the game directly on ps5 but trough remote play sans the video and audio signal. So you would just play on your tv or monitor that is connected to your ps5. that way you can use any controller that is compatible.

Offcourse this is not an ideal solution, but right now this is the only one that works to my knowledge. i also heard someone on the xim forum was working on a software solution that could be used with a raspberry pi.

@Ralizah
We have not one but TWO new gyro options beyond XIM Nexus for consoles now.

Here is the Armor-X Pro. It was designed by a well known gyro enthusiast, and essentially works like XIM Nexus, except it's an attachment for the Xbox controller, isn't quite as good as XIM since it isn't using machine learning smart translators to unwind the analog signal to 1:1 mouse for you- instead it just maps the analog to gyro and gives you tons of settings to tweak it in an app. But it's also less than half the price, and still works rather well according to a number of users.

https://www.amazon.com/Armor-X-Wireless-Accessories-Somatosen...

The second option is not yet on the market, but it is the natural evolution of XIM Nexus... the XIM Matrix. Whereas the Nexus was a dedicated controller with the best gyroscope we've seen to date, which has its own value, the Matrix is an adapter like the old XIM Apex, except it uses the same smart translators Nexus does, and can connect a Keyboard + Mouse, Controller + Mouse, Azeron + Mouse, or map a controller with gyro and use on another other console.

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And btw, it solves the PS5 compatibility issue by essentially building in a workaround using "wired remote play"- it has an ethernet port built in. Simply run an ethernet cable into your modem/router and it takes care of the rest.

Also @NeonPizza you may be interested in the above post.

And as an aside, XIM Nexus is down to $125 from $150 on the XIM website.

https://store.xim.tech/

The creator shared a post recently stating this will be the most advanced Nexus to ever release. They do plan to release a cheaper model down the line, but it'll cut corners to get cost down. Basically assured ppl they're not gonna release a better Nexus.

@JaxonH Thanks for the tag. The Armor-X Pro seems like the most... approachable of these devices to date. My computer has been having bluetooth issues with the PS4 controller, so I've had to use the Series X controller on there. Being able to play it on PC with gyro would be ideal.

@Ralizah
The nice thing is, if you connect a Dualshock 4 via USB, it can go into “PS4 mode” and any game that uses gyro natively (or by Steam Input) can use the device for native gyro rather than analog mapping to mouse. I’m not sure how good the quality of the gyroscope is but it’s something to look into.

@NeonPizza
Not sure I fully understand the question. You talking about Matrix or Armor-X Pro?

I’m pretty sure Matrix works just like Nexus, but for any controller. Meaning you still have rumble and adaptive triggers.. Not that I care too much if it didn’t because I’d much rather have Gyro than rumble, and certainly don’t care about adaptive triggers, but if you do, I don’t think it disables any of that. But the product isn’t out yet either so I can’t say for sure. From what I’ve read it doesn’t disable anything