Paul-B

I took alexsays attitude in posts 123/125 as sarcasm designed to provoke a response, which it did.
I did it myself with Hal, and kind of apologised when realising where it was going.
Having thought about it, I'm going to hang around here, but move on from this experience.

btw has anyone tried any of the Oot high res re-texture mods?
some of them are impressive

hey what can i say, i don't respond well to sarcasm!

i though meh was universally understood, my bad.

and yeah i knew about the hombrew mod

oh and comment 130 as in being neutral, not starting up another fight
(yeah i will wait and see) it originaly pointed to my own comment (122 not 123) but someone delete one, or i made a typo???

Ok then,

I believe (ie my opinion, not necessarily a fact)
that the wii is revolutionary in the sense that it has successfully brought motion control to the console market, whilst bringing gaming to a more casual and family oriented audience.
I never once said the games were. I said DIFFERENT from the mainstream
I would like to see goldeneye brought to the vc service although it probably won’t be.
(my opinion is that it will be, but I am not holding onto that belief for dear life as AlexSays thinks)

SF2 is dated now and shouldn’t be included as wiiware as it isn’t a new game neither is bcr,
Merely rehashes of old games as their title suggests.
I see no reason why bcr cannot be done on wii as it is not particularly technical in gfx,
Only that the file size would most likely be bigger that the wii capacity (this was countered in both snes & n64 with drive addons, given they were only released in japan)

These are my opinions, I am not backing them up with sources as I see no need to.

Revolutionary also means to make an abrupt change,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary
Ie motion control as the main purpose of the console (not take over the world or a government mind) 

As for the argument, comment 122 “um alexsays,
it is my understanding that nintendo said they were/are in talks to bring goldeneye to vc. i have not yet seen an article stating never from either party” (as in maybe they will/maybe they won’t, I’m not arguing that point)
“meh, i guess i will just have to dig out my 64 again” (as in meh.. I’m bored of this . move on)
I myself inflamed the convo with comment 124/126
But only because of the sarcasm in comments 123/125

Make of this what you will, I didn’t come here to make enemies or friends,
Just to put my opinion forward

@Mr. Cheez , thank you for someone finally getting my point

@Cooldued59, I didn't supply any evidence because i wasn't trying to start an argument, that was all alexsays doing in an effort to make himself look cool or whatever. try reading comment 122 & 130 again please

and dito to Wiiloveit

nice to know nintendo sites are no better than pc ones in the "hey lets twist someone's opinion into a fight in an effort to flame"

i'm outa here, too godamn childish for me

lol it was directed at me longtimegamer
just because i said i havn't seen an article that says goldeneye isn't coming to vc he thinks i care or obsess about could be games

ok, see comment 123
i really don't care if it does or doesn't
i still have the original cart, it would just be easier to dl it than get my housebrick (64) out again
it would be nice if it does, but i'm not holding my breath (for legal reasons)

lmao thats not proof mate,
thats a magazine article guessing
not once in the shacknews article does it say NEVER
and the second link is just a copy/paste of the points raised

also you said this site, not vc review

please post proof alexsays

nothing comes up in a wiiware-world search

um alexsays,
it is my understanding that nintendo said they were/are in talks to bring goldeneye to vc. i have not yet seen an article stating never from either party

meh, i guess i will just have to dig out my 64 again

I herby appoint this thread
"longest, most pointless, mines bigger than yours, my specrtum 48k is better than your comodore 64, going off topic" award

btw wiiware-world should start a forum called "I love my wii" (insert "playing with my wii" joke here)

@Twilight Crow
your absolutely right, they have permission from RARE already for their games. and activision are already releasing games for the wii
(cod5/quantum of solace/tony hawks)
so like i said, it's a matter of time and legal bribes..
trust me it will be released. unless michael jackson buys the rights lol

@longtimegamer

no i didn't know about that, although he did the clone wars cartoons twice (hand drawn then cgi)
and he also said he would never release the original star wars on dvd as the remastered versions were in his opinion the film he wanted to make in the first place

@Twilight Crow
but activision cannot claim goldeneye as theirs as it wasn't in the first place.
and why would ninty ask rare for permission of something they don't own anymore?

man this is getting way past sf2 hd and bcr now lmao

@jeremy2 i guess the whole sd debate is because of piracy,
have a look on the net.. you can find heaps of old games without much looking involved.
however them running from sd would be much better as you said.
you do realise you can dump you games to sd from the wii to free up some of that precious hd space. (probably but you never know)

@ longtimegamer
the american comment was meant as sarcastic humor. sorry if i offended.
but yes the whole sf2 thing is because of the arcade scene,
ie. add some extras onto existing boards.
up untill now you could't get extra content for existing games
well gta maybe on ps1
i'm still awaiting super duper street fighter 2.1.5.66 nunchuck edition

@jk
lmao, but res4 was better than ps2 version on wii..... JUST

oh and the capcom defection started with sf2 for mega drive/genesis
when they finally released it 2 years after the snes version, they went to town with 3-4 versions of it

capcom are the george lucas of the game world
"hey look we have sf2 again this time with a new combo move... its yours for just $100"

@blockhead comment 95
that's what i suspected of the license
yet it still doesn't explain the goldeneye issue.
I suspect they will release it at some point, but are trying to make a big issue out of it by saying licenses are causing problems

ok so my point was, the wii can do better than just shiny mario games, not that it can compete with ps3/360!
also the pc can do better than ps3/360, so that nulls that point again
and to be honest cod4 is better than cod5 gfx wise (too dark or cartoony in light levels)
it shows that cod5 on wii is better looking than ff12 on ps2.
i wouldn't buy a wii for online fps, nor a ps3/360 for that matter.
that's why i have my pc

can i just draw everyone's attention to this little know game if you think wii can't do good gfx (yeah i know the edges are rougher than pc/ps3/360 but look at the detail)

http://au.gamespot.com/wii/action/callofduty5/images.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gsimage&tag=images;img;3

DKC4 would be good mate but unfortunately rare are now owned by micro$oft and i'm not sure if they still hold the license (yeah i know nintendo own donkey kong but not sure about the dkc line)
btw rare were at one point know as treasure (gun star heroes on mega drive/genesis)
yohi's island would be a start never mind a new one on vc
I think the whole vc idea could have been done better if they used some of the ideas incorporated into system emulators on pc (plugins to improve the overall look of games)... but thats a whole new topic

another thing to ponder...... if dkc and gun star heroes are on vc whats the excuse for goldeneye not being on (licensing excuses don't wash if you release other games by rare)

oh and who here bought the wii for it's gfx power?
I know I didn't, I bought it for Mario,
My pc quite happily does the ps3/360 thing anyway

hey guys, I love wii... we all do, thats why we are here getting all defensive
we are all getting a little lost within the topic here myself included.
big huggs all round hey, long live ninty.

oh btw FF12 was released right at the end of the ps2 lifespan.
I hope games developers figure that out by the end of the wii lifespan too, they usually do (donkey kong country anyone)

@hal

I was going to post a whole list of explanations and responses to the topics covered in your reply,
but
a. I can't be bothered
b. it is a free world and mind my language... please mate that isnt offensive have you been in a school playground lately
and c. I DON'T CARE ABOUT BC OR SF2 they shouldn't even be considered for wiiware as they are not new titles but rehashes as i stated originaly.
the wii IS revolutionary in the sense that it has used motion control in a mainstream console as its main use and it works.

I am sure that you will completely missunderstand and miss-respond as you have already. it's ok i forgive you for being american lmao

ps kof97 was designed for a 6 button arcade joystick not a game controller so that kind of makes you point completely irrelivant

@wesleyh
comment 38 & 41
i didn't say the games were revolutionary don't put words into my mouth
also, yes all wii games could be ported over to ps3/360 BUT they just wouldn't work without the wiimote
mostly wii games are unique and fun, you could say "family orientated"
oh wait i did already

btw did you get confused half way thru comment 38? read what you put and you will see what i mean lmfao

@hal
quote "@Paul-B: uhh, the PS3 file alone for SF|HD + BC:R is more than the Wii has altogether.. + then theres the content, which is too much! as far as 'revolutionary', strictly graphic-wise, put any Wii title next to FF12 (PS2 has longevity for that reason) ect.."

right plank, first off as the pr guy said they can be put onto disk because of the storage reasons.
yes a wii doesnt have a big hd, that's because it's not trying to be a pc like ps3/360 are
secondly wii gfx are way past ff12 u muppet, what are you smoking.
thirdly have a look at the ps3/360 titles to date
3/4 of them are sequals to ps2/xbox games
so far wii games have been inovative and different from the mainstream.
that's why i bought a wii, because it's not following the money trail.
it is a revolutionary console in every sense, standing high above the others.... check the sales if you dont beleive me.
plus we get sm64 (probably the greatest platformer of all time) on vc.

erm yes motion control has been around for decades, but not incorporated into a consoles main use.
again yes wiiware IS a new idea for a mainstream console.
its main content is new developers getting their games out there.
vc is the old idea, vc is basicaly a "LEGAL" way to play all those old games that have been emulated and dumped onto pc for the last 10+ years. mmmmmmm snes games

end of the day yes i love oldschool nintendo, yes im very impressed with wii, and yes the CONSOLE is revolutionary "

aww, i'm so depressed that i may not be able to play rehashed 15 year old games

oh wait, i have a revolutionary new console that is family orientated and doesn't do the generic game line

btw.... what a load of crap that pr guy spouts
should say "we don't really want nintendo getting money from our game if it's wiiware"

this has been available in aussie land for at least a month (well i got my wii online last month so maybe longer) weird hey, yet we are still waiting for world of goo!! 0_o

@PuppetMasterKuruku OMG you absolute PLANK....
see the title of the website "Virtual console reviews"
it kinda hints at the fact that this is a vc game on wii.

@greatdekutree agreed about banjo kazooie and dk64 (never played the latter on n64
i certainly didnt find the game to run slow however (possibly a pal issue even though aussie wii's are pal 0_o )
but i did notice that mario's jumping is now a bit more spongy (low gravity or something)
otherwise this is a must buy for vc, in fact it was the first game i bought on vc

@calculon... no mate, that's why we bought wii's in the first place.
so we can stay indoors away from the evil sun and play game versions of real life toys..... jenga anyone

seriously though, i bought it day of release in australia and i'm not dissapointed.
yeah the cue rotation is BAD, so is the default camera, and the overreactions of the balls when hit by the cueball (they leave at twice the speed) but it plays a good game of pool.

i had midnight pool on pc and it was nowhere near as good as this

oh and @calculon again i can play the game on my own pool table in the games shed but thats not the point is it mwahahahaha

my advice, if you like pool and network play..... buy it
800 wiipoints is still cheaper than $500 for a real pool table

@ kornpol
physics are a bit dubious at times ie when the cueball hits another ball that ball moves faster than it should.
but otherwise they are spot on for angle shots and so on

well I got it,
plays a fairly decent game of pool,
gfx are good, but the camera is VERY limited...
either right behind the cueball (which is about 1/4 the size of the screen)
or top down.
would have been sooooo much better with a freeform camera.
still for 800 wiipoints its not bad at all
as opposed to $100 for the pool games in the shops.
haven't tried online yet... but it looks promising

It's just been released today in australia, thinking about downloading this rather than midnight pool (that wasn't very good on pc) mainly for the network play.
For some reason however, it costs us aussies 800 wii points.