@Franklin Whichever way you look at it, we’ll never eliminate discrimination fully from society. I’m sure society is getting better at it, but it’s an inevitable - partly driven by ignorance/lack of education and partly driven by being hard wired that anyone different should be treated differently.
On a (MUCH) lower level, it’s akin to a kid at school who wears bad clothes because his parents can’t afford what the other kids are wearing being bullied, or the kid who has acne from being teased. As adults, we know it’s wrong, but kids have always been there to pick on those who look, or act different to them.
@scully1888 Absolutely respect what you have to say.
Think following the train of comments it’s easy to see where it strayed off topic.
And you’re right - this has nothing to do with the article. For what it’s worth though, it’s fascinating all the same to have these discussions as it’s broadly lumped under the ‘society and feeling included’ umbrella.
@Franklin Unfortunately, don’t think much will change.
Peaceful protesting = doesn’t work Violent protesting = doesn’t work
When those elected don’t give a damn, I’m not sure what else can be achieved.
Unfortunately, I’ve yet to see anyone influential come at it with the angle of the above cycle (disaster followed by fallout followed by silence/dying down of the situation followed by nothing) and highlight why this is always the case and why those affected allow those governed to get away with doing nothing, but it’s the single biggest issue facing any true efforts to making change.
@BloodNinja Cheers. Much respect and love your way! Think we’re all decent enough here to see that discrimination of any type is abhorrent, even if some of us disagree with how it’s dealt with in society.
@BloodNinja If the fallout from the George Floyd tragedy is to be taken as an example, those higher up have no time in truly dealing with the matter.
They pretend they care, and that ‘lessons will be learned’ but actions speak louder than words. Once the fallout settles, we ultimately see that nothing changes.
@BloodNinja Completely and utterly agree. Treating groups different is WHY there’s a divide. There seems to be a celebration of why these people are different, which does NOTHING for those who hate on these individuals to start with.
Until there’s a concentrated effort made to show why we’re similar and what we have in common as human beings, the problems will always exist.
@scully1888 i don’t have the power to do anything about it. It needs to be taken seriously by those higher up. It isn’t being taken seriously, thus essentially meaning the issues are not being taken seriously.
Take the George Floyd matter as an example. Days of rioting, protests, and for what? No discussions or actions were taken ultimately. The officer was charged, but you know as well as I do, that it’s going to happen again in the future.
As always, it’s a cycle of disastrous even, followed by fallout, followed by a period of the fallout to quieten down, followed by nothing, leading to being in the same position as you started off in.
@Franklin No need to try and be smart. My comments were two-fold, being racism and sexism in society. There are stories on the LGBT movement daily, hence the ‘daily’ part of my comment above.
@Franklin I watch football enough to know that the take a knee movement is still being used regularly, and that black players are still being racially abused online.
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make but putting it bluntly - the take a knee movement isn’t working. Certain black players have stopped doing it as they see it as a token gesture. It’s achieving nothing.
If society wants to combat racism, then more needs to be done than taking a knee before a game of football and to see the ‘Kick it out’ slogan, which is quintessentially a slogan that can be reinterpreted as ‘Stop being racist!’.
@BloodNinja Agreed. If society wanted to tackle discrimination, they’d take serious actions into doing so. Education on the issues should take precedence over token gestures.
As for the LGBT+ movement - all the articles I’ve seen online only seem to stress that a lot of these people are ‘different’, which does nothing in making ignorant individuals see them as human beings instead of rainbow clothed wearing people who don’t identify themselves as any particular gender or anything like that.
Personally feel if you want to remove the stigma, then more needs to be done to show that they’re normal human beings, leading normal lives, who’s lives aren’t defined by their sexuality or who they identify as.
@Franklin What I mean is that it’s a constant. It’s here each and every day.
Taking the knee doesn’t work, as black players are still getting racially abused. If you’re a hateful human being who thinks racism is acceptable, I don’t think seeing players taking the knee is going to make any difference to how you think.
As for the LGBT movement, similar sentiments. It’s a shame that people are discriminated against for who they are, but seeing the LGBT flag everywhere is a bit much in my opinion.
Maybe because I’m a heterosexual white male I don’t get it fully, but always been of the opinion to respect and treat others equally. I almost feel that because there’s so much emphasis on the fact that they belong to a ‘different’ group it draws a bigger divide between us and them instead of what should be a case of treat each other the same.
@scully1888 Going to disagree, but constructively - not here to ‘argue’ as I haven’t got the energy for it!
Going to sound like a broken record, but taking the taking a knee movement as an example - players are still getting racially abused online, so I’m genuinely not sure what the movement is achieving. Feel more action and education is needed than what I see as a now token gesture before games.
Even certain black players have stopped taking the knee as they feel the message has been lost. Personally don’t feel there’s a right or wrong here - you’ll believe what you believe and I’ll believe what I believe - but feel it’s now a wasted gesture.
More action is needed if we want to educate spiteful individuals.
@BloodNinja Amen. End of the day, we should accept others for who they are.
I think my issue is that if you’re a decent human being, you don’t need telling that. And if you’re not, then none of these movements will make one iota of difference on how you feel.
Fully accept anyone who’s part of the LGBT+ community, BUT also don’t appreciate seeing the flag, and hearing about the movement every single day. We get it - your sexual orientation is ‘different’ from the decades old heterosexual point of view.
It doesn’t mean we need to hear about it all the time!
@Franklin I think with the take a knee movement in football is that it isn’t achieving anything. It’s now to the point where it feels like just a token gesture. There’s been no other actions beside this, and players are still getting racially abused on Twitter, so it’s clearly not working..
I’m not sure how you’re supposed to change a bigots train of thought, but I don’t think the above is the right way! It’s not really educating those spiteful enough in society to be abusive to others.
Just finished the custom Mii fighter tutorial from YouTube to match the Shantae outfit with the Mii fighter. Looks neat!
Haven’t picked up the other DLC costumes yet, but probably will - have the majority of them up to now, and the OCD nature of my personality will probably go a bit crazy if I end up with most the costumes, but not all.
@scully1888 Extremely well put. Personally feel there’s a balance between allowing people to have their voice, and making it such a big thing that it appears everywhere (see comment above about the constant pushing of LGBT in mainstream media lately)
We should all be decent human beings, but I feel no amount of exposure in the media will eradicate mindless, idiotic racism and sexism.
On the contrary, seeing the constant agenda of LGBT and the ‘take a knee’ movement is making me quite angry. I accept all human beings for who they are, but the constant ‘in your face-ness’ of these movements is getting a bit tiring.
I fully accept that the above makes me sound unaccepting as well…
@BloodNinja I sometimes feel like a bad person because I’m completely fed up of the LGBT movement being pushed onto us in the media. That, and the ‘taking a knee’ movement still used in football (or soccer, depending on where you are) to ‘take a fight’ against discrimination.
The way I see it, if someone is stupid enough to hate an individual due to their skin colour, religion, or sexual orientation, then no amount of exposure in the mainstream media is going to change that. Putting up a pride flag everywhere and seeing constant LGBT articles isn’t going to stop a homophobic person from being homophobic, so I personally don’t know what purpose the mainstream pandering is meant to achieve.
If you’re a decent human being, you accept others because they’re fellow human beings.
@themakyr @themakyr while that might be true in YOUR case, it doesn’t mean it’s not the instance in ALL cases.
Plenty of black kids looked up to the Black Panther character, in the same way that the character of Samus resonated with Kerry in this article.
Y’know - different people take representation of ‘their’ people in the media in different ways, right?
So to say the original comment was bs was, in fact, bs on YOUR part to a large degree, despite how you personally feel about fictional characters giving under represented members of society a reason to feel empowered.
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@MKTerry Was thinking the same whilst reading it. Still sexualisation of the female form, which obviously carried over to games like Tomb Raider.
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@Franklin Whichever way you look at it, we’ll never eliminate discrimination fully from society. I’m sure society is getting better at it, but it’s an inevitable - partly driven by ignorance/lack of education and partly driven by being hard wired that anyone different should be treated differently.
On a (MUCH) lower level, it’s akin to a kid at school who wears bad clothes because his parents can’t afford what the other kids are wearing being bullied, or the kid who has acne from being teased. As adults, we know it’s wrong, but kids have always been there to pick on those who look, or act different to them.
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@scully1888 Absolutely respect what you have to say.
Think following the train of comments it’s easy to see where it strayed off topic.
And you’re right - this has nothing to do with the article. For what it’s worth though, it’s fascinating all the same to have these discussions as it’s broadly lumped under the ‘society and feeling included’ umbrella.
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@Franklin Unfortunately, don’t think much will change.
Peaceful protesting = doesn’t work
Violent protesting = doesn’t work
When those elected don’t give a damn, I’m not sure what else can be achieved.
Unfortunately, I’ve yet to see anyone influential come at it with the angle of the above cycle (disaster followed by fallout followed by silence/dying down of the situation followed by nothing) and highlight why this is always the case and why those affected allow those governed to get away with doing nothing, but it’s the single biggest issue facing any true efforts to making change.
In my opinion, of course.
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@BloodNinja Cheers. Much respect and love your way! Think we’re all decent enough here to see that discrimination of any type is abhorrent, even if some of us disagree with how it’s dealt with in society.
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@BloodNinja If the fallout from the George Floyd tragedy is to be taken as an example, those higher up have no time in truly dealing with the matter.
They pretend they care, and that ‘lessons will be learned’ but actions speak louder than words. Once the fallout settles, we ultimately see that nothing changes.
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@BloodNinja Completely and utterly agree. Treating groups different is WHY there’s a divide. There seems to be a celebration of why these people are different, which does NOTHING for those who hate on these individuals to start with.
Until there’s a concentrated effort made to show why we’re similar and what we have in common as human beings, the problems will always exist.
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@scully1888 i don’t have the power to do anything about it. It needs to be taken seriously by those higher up. It isn’t being taken seriously, thus essentially meaning the issues are not being taken seriously.
Take the George Floyd matter as an example. Days of rioting, protests, and for what? No discussions or actions were taken ultimately. The officer was charged, but you know as well as I do, that it’s going to happen again in the future.
As always, it’s a cycle of disastrous even, followed by fallout, followed by a period of the fallout to quieten down, followed by nothing, leading to being in the same position as you started off in.
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@Franklin No need to try and be smart. My comments were two-fold, being racism and sexism in society. There are stories on the LGBT movement daily, hence the ‘daily’ part of my comment above.
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@Franklin I watch football enough to know that the take a knee movement is still being used regularly, and that black players are still being racially abused online.
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make but putting it bluntly - the take a knee movement isn’t working. Certain black players have stopped doing it as they see it as a token gesture. It’s achieving nothing.
If society wants to combat racism, then more needs to be done than taking a knee before a game of football and to see the ‘Kick it out’ slogan, which is quintessentially a slogan that can be reinterpreted as ‘Stop being racist!’.
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@BloodNinja Agreed. If society wanted to tackle discrimination, they’d take serious actions into doing so. Education on the issues should take precedence over token gestures.
As for the LGBT+ movement - all the articles I’ve seen online only seem to stress that a lot of these people are ‘different’, which does nothing in making ignorant individuals see them as human beings instead of rainbow clothed wearing people who don’t identify themselves as any particular gender or anything like that.
Personally feel if you want to remove the stigma, then more needs to be done to show that they’re normal human beings, leading normal lives, who’s lives aren’t defined by their sexuality or who they identify as.
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@Franklin What I mean is that it’s a constant. It’s here each and every day.
Taking the knee doesn’t work, as black players are still getting racially abused. If you’re a hateful human being who thinks racism is acceptable, I don’t think seeing players taking the knee is going to make any difference to how you think.
As for the LGBT movement, similar sentiments. It’s a shame that people are discriminated against for who they are, but seeing the LGBT flag everywhere is a bit much in my opinion.
Maybe because I’m a heterosexual white male I don’t get it fully, but always been of the opinion to respect and treat others equally. I almost feel that because there’s so much emphasis on the fact that they belong to a ‘different’ group it draws a bigger divide between us and them instead of what should be a case of treat each other the same.
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@scully1888 Going to disagree, but constructively - not here to ‘argue’ as I haven’t got the energy for it!
Going to sound like a broken record, but taking the taking a knee movement as an example - players are still getting racially abused online, so I’m genuinely not sure what the movement is achieving. Feel more action and education is needed than what I see as a now token gesture before games.
Even certain black players have stopped taking the knee as they feel the message has been lost. Personally don’t feel there’s a right or wrong here - you’ll believe what you believe and I’ll believe what I believe - but feel it’s now a wasted gesture.
More action is needed if we want to educate spiteful individuals.
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@Franklin Think it’s more the fact that it’s constantly being forced down our throats.
As mentioned above, I don’t know what good these movements are doing - if you’re a decent human being, you accept others for who they are.
If you’re not, seeing the pride flag and seeing players take the knee isn’t going to change your opinion.
Might be ignorant but I don’t ‘get’ it or what it’s supposed to change.
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@BloodNinja Amen. End of the day, we should accept others for who they are.
I think my issue is that if you’re a decent human being, you don’t need telling that. And if you’re not, then none of these movements will make one iota of difference on how you feel.
Fully accept anyone who’s part of the LGBT+ community, BUT also don’t appreciate seeing the flag, and hearing about the movement every single day. We get it - your sexual orientation is ‘different’ from the decades old heterosexual point of view.
It doesn’t mean we need to hear about it all the time!
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@Franklin I think with the take a knee movement in football is that it isn’t achieving anything. It’s now to the point where it feels like just a token gesture. There’s been no other actions beside this, and players are still getting racially abused on Twitter, so it’s clearly not working..
I’m not sure how you’re supposed to change a bigots train of thought, but I don’t think the above is the right way! It’s not really educating those spiteful enough in society to be abusive to others.
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Just finished the custom Mii fighter tutorial from YouTube to match the Shantae outfit with the Mii fighter. Looks neat!
Haven’t picked up the other DLC costumes yet, but probably will - have the majority of them up to now, and the OCD nature of my personality will probably go a bit crazy if I end up with most the costumes, but not all.
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@Marioracer I mean, it IS news to a degree. Besides which, it’s a Saturday - not sure what you’re expecting to be posted over the weekend!
Just embrace it for what it is - a quick little two minute read.
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@scully1888 Extremely well put. Personally feel there’s a balance between allowing people to have their voice, and making it such a big thing that it appears everywhere (see comment above about the constant pushing of LGBT in mainstream media lately)
We should all be decent human beings, but I feel no amount of exposure in the media will eradicate mindless, idiotic racism and sexism.
On the contrary, seeing the constant agenda of LGBT and the ‘take a knee’ movement is making me quite angry. I accept all human beings for who they are, but the constant ‘in your face-ness’ of these movements is getting a bit tiring.
I fully accept that the above makes me sound unaccepting as well…
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@BloodNinja I sometimes feel like a bad person because I’m completely fed up of the LGBT movement being pushed onto us in the media. That, and the ‘taking a knee’ movement still used in football (or soccer, depending on where you are) to ‘take a fight’ against discrimination.
The way I see it, if someone is stupid enough to hate an individual due to their skin colour, religion, or sexual orientation, then no amount of exposure in the mainstream media is going to change that. Putting up a pride flag everywhere and seeing constant LGBT articles isn’t going to stop a homophobic person from being homophobic, so I personally don’t know what purpose the mainstream pandering is meant to achieve.
If you’re a decent human being, you accept others because they’re fellow human beings.
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@themakyr @themakyr while that might be true in YOUR case, it doesn’t mean it’s not the instance in ALL cases.
Plenty of black kids looked up to the Black Panther character, in the same way that the character of Samus resonated with Kerry in this article.
Y’know - different people take representation of ‘their’ people in the media in different ways, right?
So to say the original comment was bs was, in fact, bs on YOUR part to a large degree, despite how you personally feel about fictional characters giving under represented members of society a reason to feel empowered.