Camelot is a studio that has, for many years, dutifully churned out mascot sports games for Nintendo. Players often go back to the retro days when pinpointing the company's best efforts, though if you go by most recent form — Mario Tennis Aces — the studio is still doing good work. After serving up court-based action it's now back to the golf course, though Mario Golf: Super Rush feels more like a spiritual successor to Aces than an actual sequel to Mario Golf: World Tour. That's fine, but Super Rush leaves us with some mixed feelings.
When writing about any game in this series the first task is to assess the story mode, in this case 'Golf Adventure'. This mode is the ideal starting point and also continues the recent mini-resurgence of Nintendo's Miis, as you take your little avatar — in this writer's case an unnaturally chilled out, healthier version of the real person — on a quest to become a pro golfer; there are three save slots, too. There's actually a story of sorts here, albeit one that goes from being mundane to utterly goofy at the drop of a hat about two thirds of the way through. There's a very sudden flipping of the script, which is more throwaway than clever. That said, we think young gamers in particular will enjoy the silliness, and we went with it and had fun.
Your Mii starts off in accommodation that's run by Birdo, meeting up with a few 'rival' rookies all keen to be the next big thing. Though you're typically limited to going from A to B to complete training tasks and challenges there's a pleasant surprise in how charming the world is, and that this is a game that brings us back to 'that Switch life' of buttery smooth 60fps performance in a first-party game. This is achieved courtesy of relatively simplistic visuals, undoubtedly, but 'chunky' and 'colourful' is perfectly suitable for a Nintendo sports game. You get free movement to explore multiple hub areas / towns and each has its own distinct style. Just remember to visit the shop in each area — the game weirdly doesn't give any prompts to do this and it'll help with progress.
So begins a lot of golf, of varying styles, and you very rapidly start to level up. The upgrade system is solid, and occasionally upgrading one stat by two points will lower another by one, so there's a light amount of balancing at play. Most skilled players will ultimately be able to build a rather impressive all-rounder, but it's all well implemented; the fact there are 'speed' and 'stamina' gauges near the top is also a good clue of this mode's priorities.
It's simple but effective enough, and as you progress there are some specialised clothes and equipment to pick up that come into play on certain courses. The foundation blocks of adventure and character customisation are there and, though nothing special, it's absolutely fine and suitable for players of pretty much any level.
The adventure becomes the ideal way to learn about different modes and strategies, with each area and its distinct courses throwing up new ideas or environments to overcome. We will say that the second area introduces 'cross country' golf that is downright bad; the idea is that you tackle holes in any order you want, but have to navigate steep changes in elevation and hazards. We can see what the intent was here, but it is not enjoyable, and presumably the development team had an inkling it was a weak point as you never see this style of golf again. So, grit your teeth, clear it, and pretend it didn't happen.
The rest of the challenges are definitely better, though you won't be playing much chilled out golf. Some of the progression gets repetitive as you ultimately end up playing timed or speed golf over and over again; this is where the 'rush' part of the game and the advertising kicks in.
The gimmick is that you run to the ball after each shot and you are constantly keeping an eye on a countdown. It's not just about speed, though, as your end score in speed golf, for example, is your completion time plus 30 seconds per shot, so finding the balance between speed and accuracy is important. It's enjoyable, though we did occasionally want to play a normal round in the story with those cinematic views of shots, as opposed to dashing around constantly.
For chunks of the experience the Adventure feels low on ideas, as you're told to play 3 holes first, then another set, then a 'qualifying' round to upgrade your badge; it's understandable as it teaches you courses and conditions, but lacks creativity. Then, as mentioned above, there's a plot twist and you get to learn one of two slightly quirkier techniques and even have a few boss encounters. They're pretty basic but it is silly fun, and by the time we wrapped up the story the overall impression was positive. This is very B-tier in terms of polish and quality — a topic we'll revisit in a second — but it is endearing and is a great way to learn the mechanics. There are moments and aspects of the experience that raise a smile, which is mission accomplished.
Depending on ability level, we think the Adventure will take players anywhere from 6-10 hours. You then move onto general play, which is where you can experiment with the varied roster — for example to see what their Super moves do — or jump into multiplayer. After finishing the story we were at the point where our Mii was a stronger option than the actual characters, though you can earn 'experience' points to get them up to Star level and improve their clubs. The game falls a little flat here, however. The Solo Challenge area is where you go about levelling characters up, but this merely consists of stroke play or speed golf rounds of courses, and nothing else. There are no intriguing or clever challenges here to make things interesting, which makes levelling up feel like a true grind. The lack of smart challenges — a good feature of its 3DS predecessor — is a disappointment.
There are, however, good options if you want to jump into some customised solo rounds or local multiplayer. Six courses unlock as you play the Adventure or, alternatively, if you want to skip the story the next course will unlock after completing a full round of its predecessor. Standard and Speed golf are featured, and whether setting up a solo or multiplayer session you get good customisation options in terms of how many holes to play, where to start on the course, conditions and more.
Battle Golf is a quickfire new mode that also makes an appearance. This takes place across two arenas, and your goal is to complete three holes before anyone else. You can go for any pin you want, but once a player has completed that hole it disappears from the map, which makes it a rather amusing scramble. When you throw in each character's star move shots and their impacts — for example knocking your ball away or even transforming it into something like an egg — there's a nice element of chaotic wackiness to the battles. With only two courses and such short matches, however, it's not going to hold attention for long.
Nevertheless, playing any of the modes in multiplayer works well, with Camelot covering most bases in terms of control options and deciding how long a round will last. Though the game defaults to (and is easiest to play with) standard button controls, there are also motion controls using the Joy-Con. They're well implemented and quite intuitive, and the little controller is very accurate in detecting your swing and its power. It's still far easier to do more complex stuff like applying spin and fade/draw with the buttons but as an alternative that gets you off the couch, the motion controls are accurate and enjoyable to use.
We also got to test the online multiplayer to a limited degree, albeit we had to join a pre-determined lobby and the servers were naturally not under any real strain in the pre-release review period. It was lag free, but that's not particularly important in multiplayer golf, beyond messing each other up with super shots and limited environmental effects. The setup options are pretty much identical to local multiplayer, and lobbies can also be set for friends only and with or without passwords; you can even add up to two CPU players to fill out spots. If you want to play with family or friends remotely it's a very competent option, though there's no in-game communication — not even text messages — so you'll have to do that through other means. If you still actually use the Nintendo Switch Online app, though, it'll support voice chat for this title.
Lots of positives then, but there are some disappointing aspects around this title. Wrapping up our thoughts on the online feature-set, it lacks any incentive to compete — if you're not just playing with friends, there's not much point to jumping in. There's no ranking system of any kind and it lacks the basic but enjoyable tournaments of Mario Tennis Aces, which itself was a step back from the excellent online Tournaments in World Tour on 3DS. Super Rush's portable golfing predecessor setup regular events in which you'd register a score and get a placing (gold, silver, bronze) depending on scores from players around the globe. An equivalent here would have been very welcome.
There's also an inescapable feeling that, despite a premium price-point, this is a mid/B-tier first-party release from Nintendo. There is a good level of content but it lacks spark, and of the six courses we think only two or three are particularly interesting. In the context of Mario Golf and on capable hardware there's a lot of variety and environmental manipulation that could have been implemented, but the designs end up being rather safe and uninspired, even in the later unlocks that attempt a little wackiness.
This limited level of creativity is shown in the aforementioned disappointing Solo Challenges, and especially in the Adventure there's a feeling of corners and budgets cut. There's poorly used and repetitive voice sampling — the constant 'Hey Hey' of the coach irritated this player and others that happened to be in the room — along with basic storytelling. Limited animations of characters and a lack of visual flair for story segments all feel like they come from a discounted first-party effort. The music, also, is rather weak; the core theme is reasonable albeit nothing special, but some clips for between holes (as an example) sound more like royalty-free tracks than something you'd expect to hear in a Mario game.
None of this ruins the experience, not by a long way, and despite these complaints there is still a good amount of content, decent golf mechanics and just enough wackiness to justify having the Mushroom Kingdom cast on board. Those aforementioned irritations do strip away the sense that this is a premium first-party game, though. As enthusiasts, we may have come to expect this in recent Camelot titles, but for those expecting the same quality as other first-party efforts with a $60 price tag, they may feel underwhelmed by Super Rush.
Conclusion
Mario Golf: Super Rush is a game that in many respects hits its marks. Golf Adventure has plenty of charm and offers a fun way to learn various mechanics and unlock courses. Away from that solo endeavour there are decent options and customisation for multiplayer games, local or online, button controls or motion-based swinging. It's not a premium effort, however, with a nagging feeling of corners cut and at times an absence of creativity. However, many players should get a good amount of fun out of this one, both solo and with friends. This ain't the Masters, but for Mario Golf fans it is a solid par.
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I've gotten less and less enthusiastic about this as we've gotten closer and closer to launch. It just looks so bland and uninspired so I think I'll have to give it a pass unfortunately. They put way too much focus on the speed golf mode which just seems like more of a gimmick than something that will have lasting appeal.
I'm really looking forward to it! It looks really fun and none of the issues here really bother me.
The fact there will be DLC is also good, especially when New Donk City will be included!
Oof, that's disappointing to hear after how wonderful Mario Golf World Tour was on the 3DS.
I was hoping the gameplay and content would be on the same level, there was so much to do in that game it was incredible.
What a heroic subheader
It does look fun but 6 courses, with none of them very wacky just sounds like a missed opportunity.
What, a golf game that plays just like a golf game, how dare they do this.
Day one purchase, super excited for this.
The biggest cut corner is obviously Yoshi and DK without golf outfits!!
..nah. While that still bothers me, seeing this review does make me a little sad that they cut corners on this one. My guess is that they're going to take the 'release now, fix later' approach that they seem to be doing with certain titles. It works well for a game like Splatoon, but if a game has already established a solid working method (like Mario Golf has had for years... or at least, in the N64 and GameCube outings), then they really should stick to that formula if you ask me.
Oh well. I'm still getting it and am gonna rock out with my outfit-less Yoshi. Hoping to get a solid amount of fun out of it still, but part of me already saw this coming after the also relatively sub-par Mario Tennis Aces (in my opinion, of course).
Where has the magic of the Gamecube entry gone?
Probably AWOL with the same magic for Tennis.
Shame.
@lighteningbolt79,
Same here, the games performance looks great, and I love the natural courses, there will also be downloadable courses as DLC.
The other 3D Mario Golf games had courses/ characters that just felt more "chunky" (if that makes sense...) and the design felt more inspired. They looked more cartoonish, and they had better aesthetics.
This looks like someone just made a semi-realistic looking golf game then put a few Mario characters in it. It lacks the charm of the originals imo.
@johnvboy
Same! It looks really good, especially when we know we are getting even more courses as DLC. I don't even think the negative points listed here are that bad. Many games don't have much of a reason to play online and I think the courses look like a nice balance between wacky Mario and standard golf courses.
And I have just read your new comment (#9). Glad to see others looking forward to it!
I just don’t understand why they don’t go back to that winning formula they had with Camelot with their golf outing on the Advance (can’t remember the exact name). That was the most fun I ever had with a golfing game. If they made a modern version of that for Switch with online play, I guarantee it would’ve sold like hot cakes. This is just a weird direction and very unusual for Nintendo to put out such a mediocre title.
@BaronMunchausen Mediocre? The review literally says it is a good game. Or is good now mediocre? The review also says multiple times it is fun.
Why do people want the exact same thing in every single game? People want the same thing in every Mario Party and now it seems like Mario Golf (yet people complain when Fifa do it...).
I'll grab this early next week. Excited to get another mario golf game as I really haven't dove into one since the n64 version.
I'm hoping there'll be extra courses released as free DLC in time. I got this for just under forty quid from ShopTo, which I'm okay with. Looking forward to giving it a shot.
Holy smokes!
This has motion control.
I've wanted that in a golf game since wii, when the tiger woods games made the experience extraordinary.
I think I'm now sold on the game just for motion control golf.
Two things 1: I’m still getting it. It’s going to get me through my 7hr flight to Boston. I do find this review to be, a bit of a bummer though.
2: please stop making me customize my cookie settings every third visit to your site
Only 6 courses? What a letdown!
Mario Golf 64 had 8 courses. Might as well play that.
Speed golf has zero interest. The idea itself is just ridiculous. If you wanna play golf, do it right.
I'd rather buy new content for Mario Kart. I would pay for a dedicated no-weapons race mode, or mushrooms only race mode. My money is ready.
$59.99 seems too steep a price for Mario Golf.
@Shinnos We already know there will be! It looks like New Donk City will be a new course - https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/06/free_updates_will_add_additional_characters_and_courses_to_mario_golf_super_rush
I do wish the review mentioned this, even in passing. It didn't have to be a pro or con, but it is something that can influence someone's decision to buy a game.
I was buying this really just to play online. I got a lot out of Tennis Aces when it was easy to find a game. Reading that there is little incentive to play it is a sore one as i was really looking forward to it. Nintendo continue to disappoint me this gen. The last Nintendo game i bought was Links Awakening
What is it with Nintendo and online! You would think they would get it by now.
Looks like Toadstool tour on GC still holds the crown then. That and Mario tennis 64 & GC was really when Camelot were at their finest.
What really put me off though is that the story mode makes you play a load of speed golf, which doesn’t gel to me.
Wow! Not even a ring shot mode 🙁
I wasn't interested in this anyway.
@BenAV
Have agree hard pass for me as well, will pick up if and when it has a price drop. Will be getting Scarlet Nexus for xbox instead then
I have seen a friend of mine play this game yesterday.
I will say it one last time: Camelot Software Planning isn't what it used to be. They peaked at the GC/GBA era and then everything went downhill...
This game only offers a fraction of content the previous games had. You can't play doubles. You can't play character matches and unlock star players that way. You can't play skins. You can't play ring shot. The incredibly fun "club slots" mode from Toadstool Tour and Advance Tour is also not in the game. There is no coin shoot. There is no "near-pin" mode. You can't even set the AI difficulty. It's absolutely bare-bones in every level and this should be explicitly stated in the review.
The animations are super boring and have been cut down to one positive animation, one neutral animation and one negative animation while all the other games had at least five unique animations per character. 6 courses is a laughably low amount. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2004 on the GameCube had 19 courses, just so you know.
The hud looks boring and the font is too tiny. Though that's a problem with many Nintendo games these days...
I can't say anything about the adventure mode and I don't care about Speed Golf and Battle Golf. I'm pretty sure the story mode does not even come close the one on the GBA.
I've been waiting for a new console Mario Golf since Toadstool Tour and seeing this junk is an insult; a punch in the face. Yes, it may get free course and character updates but even then the base game is so light on content that I can't justify paying €60 for it. And I hate the "release now, fill the gaps later" mentality.
Rant over, I'm out.
I'm going to give this one a pass. I really enjoyed Mario Tennis Aces, but then, I like tennis way more than golf lol. There are tons of good titles coming out lately to care much for this.
I just hope now that Camelot goes back to making a Golden Sun or Mario Strikers. They're best at that!
well, that didnt fill me with joy! I will await a sale or trade in on this one now.
@johnvboy It's not supposed to play like any old golf game, and you know it. Just like Mario Kart is not just a racing game that plays like a racing game.
Still a day one for me as I have been dying for a new Mario Golf but man this review is a letdown :/
Hopefully dlc and some updates will turn that 7 to an eventual 8-9. An update could very well add the online features missing, and we already know of some free dlc on the way.
Still holding out hope.
@Kevember Yeah. A mario kart without items wouldn't be a Mario Kart
The comments here don't seem to actually reflect what was written in the review.
I do question was is needed to make people happy these days. This review literally says it is a good game and is fun yet people are acting like it is the worst thing ever. It's as if they've gone in wanting to dislike the game.
@lighteningbolt79 Yeah. It may not be perfect, but it looks like some great multiplayer fun, and I will eagerly pick this up.
Great review Thomas 👍🏻
@lighteningbolt79 Even their "letdowns" are amazing games. I think this looks awesome
@lighteningbolt79 Ah! I thought that was the case, but when it wasn't mentioned in the review, I thought I must've imagined it.
Yeah, that should have been mentioned.
...Yeah, I knew I was in the right not buying this at launch. I think I'll wait to get it used.
It's been really interesting seeing which lower-tier games Nintendo really back and ones they don't. I wish they would uplift every game in the same way they did Luigi's Mansion 3.
guess ill just wait to see what those "free" updates add to the game in the next 1-2 years then, even if i feel cautious over any nintendo game that does that model now
@lighteningbolt79
Am I not allowed to have my own opinion? I consider it mediocre. You apparently don’t. Great. Because the review says it’s good means I need to think that as well? And yes, if I enjoy the hell out of something, of course I’d want more of it. I’d love to see a return to that type of game especially since I haven’t played anything like it in years.
7? Hey at least no one care reviews anymore especially yours.
@lighteningbolt79 It looks like a lot of fun...golf is a game you can always come back to to improve your par. Some people might actually prefer that it doesn't have as much silliness in the game as previous entries.
But yeah, watch the misery flow in – it's amazing how many great games out there that get rated 7-8 people completely pass by.
Hmm — I doubt I'll snag it on day one, but I'll definitely pick it up down the road, maybe when it's dropped a tenner off its £50 RRP
@lighteningbolt79
That’s because their comments reflect their own opinions, just like the article does. You seem to be taking this very personally. What makes people happy? Whatever makes THEM happy.
@lighteningbolt79 Excellent last minute announcement there. Cant wait
@BaronMunchausen You are allowed an opinion, but unless you have somehow played the game already, you are judging something you haven't played which isn't really fair.
Thank god they already announced some dlcs.
It would be another Mario Party disaster to offer another half baked game.
I had a feeling it wasn't fantastic when I realised how late Nintendo had set the review embargo. :-/ Felt like they were trying to hide something...
Tony Hawks for me instead methinks. I will probably get this eventually but not at launch.
@lighteningbolt79
Likewise.
Really disappointed. Everyone's golf really hit the mark on challenges versus taking your time to learn the course and progress. I was hoping for the same but sadly no
@WoomyNNYes Do I have news for you... mushroom only and no items are completely possible to do in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Its a setting under the VS race mode if I remember, but I never use them cus they're all a bit naff to be honest. No need to cough up the cash for the modes though!
Haven't played a Mario Golf game since Mario Golf 64. Man, that was a long time ago.
This is a game I'll pick up eventually, but sadly not tomorrow. Besides, I still have a backlog of games to play, let alone beat.
@the_beaver Mario Strikers was Next Level Games, not Camelot.
@BaronMunchausen But people are acting as if this review says the game is bad although it clearly doesn't.
People are allowed to have an opinion but these people haven't actually played the game. Nintendo Life has. Why treat a good review from people who have actually played the game as if it is bad?
@lighteningbolt79 no they aren't. Most of us are looking for a specific style which every other game had and are not finding it. Whether it's fun or not it isn't in an appealing style.
@lighteningbolt79 That's because a game simply being "fun" isn't enough nowadays.
It's announcements and hype that people cherish more than anything. And few things live up to the subsequent "speculation" and wild wishlishting projected onto games.
@Mallow It seems to be lacking in content compared to previous Mario Golf games.
@doctorhino
So a game having a particular style is more important than a game being fun? Ok...
@IndoorHero my thought exactly
As for the review, we’ll done. 7 is a game worth playing in my book. One thing that bothers me a little bit is people are excited about dlcs coming with more content, but why wasn’t that content there to begin with? It seems like a pretty light starting package, as far as courses are concerned (for the price).
@lighteningbolt79 Like @mallow said, A game being fun is not enough. A game has to be creative, in a style we want, and have enough content to be worth 60 bucks.
I can't afford to throw 60 bucks at everything that is fun if it doesn't have extra appeal to keep me coming back.
@lighteningbolt79 Style is important too otherwise we may as well all just buy PGA Tour Golf!
@Mallow
I think one consolation is that it is one of the games that will clearly have a "casual video gamer" appeal. Many people on gaming sites keep telling me how no one likes the new Mario Party games despite the fact Super Mario Party sold really well and had a lot of fans.
I think this will be the same. A bunch of very vocal people on video game sites acting as if it is the worst game ever but a lot of casual video game fans being perfectly happy with it. For these sorts of gamers, a game being fun and entertaining is the most important thing, not whether a game is in a particular "style" (whatever that is meant to mean...).
Game is average at best. Take Marios face off the cover and it hits the bargain bin. Also...why do people cry when a Nintendo game ends up mediocre? 'I'm still getting it!!! Wahhhh!!!' Ok...that will teach Nintendo to be average. Lol
@Clyde_Radcliffe I can't play Speed Golf and Battle Golf in PGA Tour golf, which look like really fun modes.
I figured it would be in the 7/8 range. Mario Golf is such a summer game to me so I’m looking forward to playing it.
So if I have NEVER played a Mario Golf game, would I think this game is creative, or lacking in creativity? I would be interested in some input from someone who is new to the series, as it sounds like the reviewer has played a lot of Mario Golf on other consoles and while the input is valid, I am curious what a newcomer would think!
@lighteningbolt79 I understand what you mean. I think the disappointment is really based on a deep love of the franchise. This sounds like a fun game, but I think people were hoping for something really special at the level of their past glories. So an averagely fun game will feel like a bit of a letdown.
@lighteningbolt79 The views in here rarely reflect the real world. Most of the people here are enthusiasts who spend huge chunks of their lives playing games and are notoriously difficult to please.
@WiltonRoots There is nothing wrong with being hard to please when you spend thousands each year on games. It's not like we don't find stuff we want to buy that meets our standards.
Or at least wait until the games are priced to meet their true value.
@doctorhino Who exactly is we? Don't you mean you? What is this standard you're going on about? Give examples, by all means.
I'd only play the story mode. And that sounds like it might be worth $20 or so. Definitely not $60. I'll pass
theres plenty of other sites giving this higher scores besides ign giving it a 6 which is too low you ask me but wat i stated before always get another review opinion from other sites if your not sure to get it or not.
Pre loaded and waiting
@WiltonRoots We being the people you described, people who go on gaming websites and spend large chunks playing the games. Standards being what you said was difficult to please. You act as if I wasn't speaking english.
Of course this is a 7.
@doctorhino I don't even know how to reply to this. Do you really think casual gamers don't like high-quality games?
I'm mostly saying that a game being fun should be enough and it is enough for most casual gamers.
I think many of the problems that exist in the video game world today are with the "enthusiasts" who want everything made exactly for them, can't stand it when something is a tiny bit different from what they expect, and put "style" over fun and entertainment (and seem to inflate their own importance...). Not all gaming fans are like this, but there does seem to be quite a lot of them on here.
@doctorhino So are you the spokesperson of everyone in here then? So a game doesn't meet the exacting standards of about 1-2% of the buying public - I think they can probably live with that if everyone else is happy.
I have this a brief play this morning. I’m not sure about the actual gameplay.
The standard for golf (minna golf, old Mario golf etc) was you do the power meter, immediately followed by an accuracy meter. This is different and weird and I don’t care for it.
In addition, the right should be for easily moving the camera and getting a look around the course and your trajectory etc.
but not in this game! The camera is a pain to use.
@lighteningbolt79 bingo.
@WiltonRoots Nintendo is tone-deaf to it's audience. That has nothing to do with being hard to please, and everything to do with a company that just hides behind the Mario face with their palm up to accept your $60 while giving you a sub-par gaming experience. Other games do what Nintendon't (lol) for less money. The console is nice, but N's first party games have been really bad or mediocre, the past couple generations. It's disappointing that they continually ask for $60 for games that are simply retreading old ground. I have no idea why you are trolling @doctorhino who is actually making some valid points.
I saw 6s elsewhere so I knew 7 here.
Nintendo isn’t a 6-7 company. They farm out these games and just ok isn’t worthy of the Nintendo name. Where are the true first party games ? Yes their masterpieces take time. But this is ridiculous.
Well that's disappointing, the first big AAA game release after E3 and it's not even an AAA game. And compared to Mario Golf 3ds, which scored a 9, this Switch version gets a poor 7. And Nintendo is asking full price for this.
Ok some will try and justify the score and the price. But this is what will happen to other Nintendo releases this year, they won't live up to their expectations. I'm thinking the new 2d Metroid.
Some will say 7 is a good score, maybe, but it's not an 8 or 9 or 10. (Like IMMORTALS FENYX RISING that received a lower score that was expected, the price was lowered, same should happen here).
I'm due to collect my pre order tomorrow,
I don't think I'll bother, unless any other reviews appear and convince me otherwise.
this looks like a great game will get it later though as i have MH STORIES 2 ON my radar as the next game i want.
@BloodNinja (cough)bs(cough)
Since I only focus on single player, I think golf adventure will give me some great hours of fun. Maybe keeping my hopes not that high was the best thing I did about this game. My Aces experience helped me this time. I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a fun game!
@BloodNinja That's your personal taste at the end of the day, I've been happy with virtually everything I've bought. Just wish I could find more time to play them.
I for one don't complain about a lacking online. Mario Tennis Aces is a game I kind of regret buying because it was online oriented.
But I already had the feeling that a game like this shouldn't have a 60 price tag, yet it does.
@WiltonRoots See, their games are so bad that you don't even make time to enjoy them. If you REALLY loved what you were buying, you would make the time to play, even if it's only 5-10 minutes. I've been there, and it's a hard realization, but the only solution is to buy less games.
@BloodNinja What on Earth are you on about? Are you now trying to tell someone they don't really like the games? Do you think they are lying or delusional or something? Seriously? What is it with some people?
Ah, yeah, of course. People are fighting... over the game, over reviews, over how bland it is, over this and that. Reading the comment section is always a great way to stress to yourself that your opinion is your opinion. Don't know why some people insist on making other people swallow theirs. Maybe the world is so crazy that some people keep looking for targets just to make sure they're right about whatever they want to be right about
About what I expected based on Aces. Seems the Mario Sports games could use a new developer (or at least that the old ones should be rereleased on Switch!)
@lighteningbolt79 I didn't tell them that, the person I am speaking with told me, in their own words. "I love what I buy, but I don't have time to play it." Then you don't love it. If you love something or someone, you spend time with it. Fact of life.
@lighteningbolt79 I think people expected a step up from Aces, which, as much as I enjoyed it, had a very low-budget feel to it. The gameplay was superb and in my mind overcame any issues it had, and this looks about the same, but it’s a big ask at full price for more casual fans.
@lighteningbolt79 I see that so much lately. A review says a game is good, gives it a 7 or 8, but the comments are all "this is trash, what a disappointment, Nintendo suck these days". It's like "good" doesn't exist anymore, people can only parse a 10 out of 10 and everything else is "worst game ever".
I freely admit that nothing in this review sounds like it's the best game ever made. I also wasn't expecting it would be the best game ever made. A score of 7 is exactly what I was expecting.
I definitely don't need this game on day one. But I'm still probably going to buy it.
Damn, everything I’ve been reading online seems to be reinforcing my worries for this game. Bland courses, lack of content outside story mode, missing online tournaments, and the new shot mechanics being just not as much fun. Yeah, speed golf is neat, but they focused way too hard on that and forgot about everything else that makes a Mario Golf game a Mario Golf game.
I won’t be picking this up at launch (which is shame, Mario Golf games are usually some of my favorite titles on their respective platforms). However, I’ll give it a try either at my brother’s place or when I can find a used copy that I can return. While the game itself doesn’t look bad, it’s still seems disappointing and not what I want out of a console Mario Golf game.
Our copies will be arriving tomorrow but I have lost interest in this game the closer to release we have gotten.
Nintendo games used to be solid om Day but have become increasingly dated as technology has moved forward. why not include a party option in multiplayer? I want to be able to bitch and moan at my friends when I'm losing and having a bad round, without having to mess around with Discord or the stupid app and hoping my phone maintains charge.
1. Decent golf mechanics. Check.
2. Decent course variety. Check.
3. Decent character roster. Check.
4. Free DLC characters and courses later. Check.
That's all I need.
Not bothered about the gimmicky modes, not bothered about online, not particularly concerned about the creativity.
Mario Tennis Aces failed to deliver a quality Tennis mechanic first and foremost... Mario Golf hasn't made that same mistake, so I'm happy with that and will no doubt rate this game much higher.
@BloodNinja That's really weak son. A bit thin-skinned on your part thinking I was trolling the dude as well, you seem a bit rattled.
I play games as they're meant to be played. A form of entertainment you pick up and play and put down again. Haven't bought anything for ages, but I have multiple things going on my life I'd rather be doing than playing games, simple as that.
@BloodNinja
No, it is not a fact of life. It is you trying to tell someone that they don't really like the games, so, therefore, they were either lying or delusional.
Some people don't have time to do everything that they love and can't make time for it, or even don't want to spend every free minute of the day doing something they love. That is a fact of life.
No crazy courses? Count me in! I always loved the first three courses in Mario Golf 64 and despised the later three because they were to wild to play a chilled round on them.
Leave the whackiness for the inevitable DLC - I like standard courses in my Mario Golf!
@nocdaes : This is very close to what I feel
Looking forward to playing this, though I really wish we got Mario Strikers instead (or Mario Baseball as second option).
Can anyone confirm, are there traditional cups in this game? Or just the story mode for singleplayer?
@BloodNinja Rhino approved comment.
@lighteningbolt79 So you have a bunch of people and things in your life that you love, but don't spend any time with? Please explain that, I'm intrigued.
@WiltonRoots you don't even buy games and talk like people who do don't have a life? Why are you on here if not to troll?
@WiltonRoots You can take the high and mighty approach all you want, but you you already revealed yourself to be a troll.
This seemed like a cool game, but I am glad I skipped. For me, I feel like the recent Mario sports games just haven't hit it with me.
Last (Mario) one I played properly was on the N64. I did literally nothing other than play the normal golf modes on that. If this has got the basics nailed, I'm not really fussed about everything else. I enjoyed Everybody's Golf on the PS4, so as long as it's as competent as that, I'm good.
How are people managing to have a full scale war in the comments section of a Mario Golf game?
@lighteningbolt79
Why are you criticizing people for criticizing a game (especially without fully understanding the reason for their thoughts)? They know as much about the game as you know about them (more, even) and that’s not stopping you from making opinions about them. Sorry, I’m just not a fan of hypocrisy. And yes, fun isn’t the only factor when you’re talking about $60. I have fun with Pac-Man but I’m not paying $60 for it.
Sounds like one to wait for some of the future DLC and maybe a price drop.
@doctorhino @BloodNinja Me not thinking the same as you two = troll. Kool. Got it. 👍🏻
@Ooyah no idea.
Can’t wait to play.. never played a Mario Golf game but I love non realistic golf games.. some people need to find a girlfriend and quit arguing with their autocorrect about who’s opinion is better smh
@WiltonRoots Actually, you're trolling because you are taking everything that @doctorhino and I were writing and inserting your own poor assumptions to try and change the initial meaning to meet your own needs.
While I have been very much looking forward to this, money is super tight and I can't afford to drop that amount of cash on a game right now. The reviews coming out make me feel a bit better for having to pass for the time being.
I’m much less excited now but it’s anyway being delivered tomorrow so I may as well try it
Just picked up a copy of world tour for my 3DS, so I'm good for a golf game for a while.
@bloodninja @wiltonroots @doctorhino
Stop fighting! You’re upsetting the children! I’m leaving! It’s over!
I think I'll stick with Everybody's Golf on Vita then.
@WolfyTn Deepest apologies
@WolfyTn Hahahahaha brilliant! Nearly spat my drink out!
This comment section is something else...
I love Mario but I dislike golf so saving the cash for skyward xx
not having robust online options with leadeboards tournaments etc is inexcusable. i'm still getting it but when will nintendo learn to prioritize online features? (never)
Actually i never realised this but if you remove Mario and Co from this game, make it a bunch of random people.
This game would be a 5 out of 10 and there wouldn't be an article written here about it.
Funny that.
It looks really bland and underwhelming to me which is why I didn't preorder game im surprised you given it 7/10 since you gave alot criticism to the game i wouldn't get it personally but if you guys want to get game more power to you. I respect your opinion.
I rather wait for danganronpa release for switch.
@Waluigifan thanks for info I knew it looks bad from trailer im saving my money
The Courses being Golf courses rather than overly-Nintendo ‘wacky’ is a big plus in my eyes. Really looking forward to this.
A bit disappointing but still looking forward to it. I can only hope that some courses will be added down the road.
It's a nice golf game with Mario and company but it seems the excitement for this series really went downhill. Nintendo should really let Camelot get back to making Golden Sun and RPGs again. It's seem Camelot really wanted to make another Golden Sun and Shining Force but Nintendo and Sega, both held them back from making one. C'mon it's being 11 years since we last got a new Golden Sun and forever since we last got a true Shining Force game.
You can use your Mii's?! I'm in! I miss having all sorts of Mii games that graced the Wii U and 3DS. Of course this will mean I have to rebuild my army of Mii's based on my friends can coworkers. I'm glad this game sounds like it's still mostly a golf game. I'm not sure what Mario Tennis Aces was, but it certainly wasn't Tennis. While Ultra Smash on Wii U was shockingly low on content, I still enjoyed the basic tennis gameplay. But Aces decided to mix things up by turning itself into some ungodly abortion that didn't feel like a tennis game. I like golf games, so it's reassuring that this still sounds like golf and not "Charge up your power bar, launch cannon attack and shatter your opponent's golf club!"
@Ooyah nobody is having a war.
The Metroid Dread article was a war.
This is more like a play fight.
Played a couple of 18 hole rounds of this last night. Didnt like the motion control swing mechanic and the game seemed identical to past entries, just as I suspected. It really is a series with nowhere left to go. . . similar to the Mario Tennis games. We've seen it all now. Maybe its time to retire the Mario Golf/Tennis franchises or at least give them a rest for 15 years. Its all a bit stale now.
I LIKE royalty free tracks!
@BloodNinja
“ If you REALLY loved what you were buying, you would make the time to play, even if it's only 5-10 minutes. I've been there, and it's a hard realization, but the only solution is to buy less games.”
“ Then you don't love it. If you love something or someone, you spend time with it. Fact of life.”
Even by the low standards of Internet gaming forums this is hilarious. I Love seeing people pontificating on how others live.
Good enough for me. Was hoping for something really really good but that is more than fine.
If there is absence in creativity in a Nintendo game, something must definitely be wrong.
@RoguePirate
So now somebody wants to argue about whether a war is occurring or not! Blimey O'Reilly... 🤦🏻
@Duncanballs Mario Tennis Aces is better than Power Tennis. Change my mind. Lol
However, it looks like Im gonna agree with you on Golf
Think I'll plump for the 3DS version with the superior and free online mode then.
What options are there for 4 player local multiplayer on one console?
Kind a punch in the gut for me.
I was hyped for that game.
I predicted that Mario Golf Super Rush would get very similar reviews to Mario Tennis Aces for very similar reasons.
Both games currently have the exact same Metacritic score, so it looks like I was on the money lol
@Waluigifan Thanks for that info
Not worth it for me.. not for 60$ :/
Seriously, these substandard first party Nintendo games are really starting to grate. When was the last really excellent one? It's sad to see.
@Kevember,
At it's heat it has simple golf mechanics, so apart from themed courses it does exactly as it should.
@electrolite77,
Same here, I wanted a replacement for Wii Sports club, with more natural courses and motion controls, and like you can't wait to go and buy this tomorrow.
@lighteningbolt79,
To be honest I hated it when Camelot started adding wacky features to these sports games, a few that you can turn off is fine, but they ruined most of the Tennis games for me, the N64 version reigns supreme.
@Yorumi,
I love the look and feel of this, and it looks like a lot more time has been put in than Mario Tennis Aces, the game just looks like fun, o.k some more themed courses would be welcome, but those natural courses look awesome to me, and I do like motion controls on Wii Sports Club, so hopefully this will be the same quality.
@WiltonRoots,
Only here for the comments, and as usual they are as funny as ever.
Definitely have to agree with the visuals; These courses look as bland as ever and look about like any other golf courses you'd find in other golf games and lack that creative, mushroom kingdom aesthetic spark that Toadstool Tour had.
DLC? Is that right there will be more courses?
So we pay £50 for the game with only 6 courses and Nintendo will sell us the other four at a later date.
I don't think so.
@BloodNinja,
This game has very little to do with Nintendo though, Camelot have developed it with Nintendo's blessing, and I am pretty sure Nintendo just leave them to it. as most people will have no issues with a golf game, playing and looking like a.... Errr golf game.
@johnvboy
The comments remind of the meme of the modern day review system:
> 0.0 to 7.9: Garbage
> 7.9 to 8.5: Okay
> 8.5 to 8.9: Good
> 9.0 to 9.5: Great
> 9.6 to 10: Mastapeace
@Ooyah 😆, a bit of war never hurt nobody.
I remember when Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour came out for the GameCube, people criticised it for having generic courses with not enough Mario whackiness. 18 years later, people are comparing this game unfavourably to Toadstool Tour on those grounds. Not sure what to make of this...
@doctorhino,
Calling people trolls because they do not agree with you, come on, you are better that.
Some people on forums just can't get to grips with the fact there a video game fans, that do not spend most of their lives playing video games, WiltonRoots, does not even post on here all that much either.
Get it you don't like this game, but most will have no issues with it, there is not definitive right or wrong with all this, it's just all personal opinions at the end of the day.
No need to get personal or insulting about it.
@TheRealKyleHyde,
It's the usual double standards on show, which is par for the course on here, pardon the pun.
As predicted - low effort cash grab. If sycophantic Nintendolife gives it a 7, it's really a 5 or 6.
@OorWullie
Yea man...it's 2021. Nintendo has no excuse at this point. Their approach to online gaming is maddening. I guess it's great for children since their "service" is more restrictive, but for the rest of us it's incredibly frustrating.
@westman98,
So true, and of course review scores are only relevant when they support ones own opinion of a game.
All the haters totally ignore the overall strong review scores for Pokemon and Animal crossing, and in these cases state the reviewers are wrong... you couldn't make it up.
Is the DLC confirmed, though? Would be nice, but I saw there was DLC in the 3DS entry too, and a little pricey.
Anyway, the major flaw I see in this game is the absence of Koopa Troopa. A shame.
@Ambassador_Kong,
Of course it's a 5 or 6, well done for for stating the truth and telling us all how it really is.
Looks like the game is Super Rushed......
@Matl Thanks. Good looking out<3
I meant, dedicated weaponless race mode online. I'm tired of the tedious chore of opening weaponless tournaments one by one, and finding nobody online. Man, when people are online though, it's so fun.<3
@NintendoKnight,
Now that's just pure bait, I like what you did there.
@doctorhino,
But you are underling the problem, we are all pretty much devoted to video games as why else would we bother to comment on them, and with this will come differences in opinion.
But within this devotion there will be different levels of dedication to it, I have no issues with you or anybody else stating they do not like this game as a personal opinion, but I do not share the same views.
And if he stated he does not have as much time to play, or people play too much, how is that an issue or how will it affect the current debate.
@Yorumi,
I get it you fell the value aspect is in question, but to be honest I want a more accessible golf game than PGA tour, but with realistic looks and mechanics, and as six courses, as long as they are good I am fine with it, on other Mario Golf games I only ended up playing the realistic courses anyway.
And of course you can't blame Nintendo for their games holding their value more
But I do get where you are coming from.
I was hoping for an 8 at least...
My copy is in the post so it's too late to turn back now.
Well I'll play it and if it's not up to par just sell it.
However, I think the base game will be ok if not amazing, and once the additional courses are added the game will be a solid Golf game...
@BANJO,
I have never let a review of a game change my opinion or decision to buy a game, even more so with Nintendo games, I will see how it is and then decide, still very excited for this.
I always forget how willfully Nintendo phones things in, I just got swept up wanting another Mario Golf. No surprise its by the numbers, I should have got Tony Hawk first.
As someone hoping for just a decent and accessible golf game, this sounds great. All I really wanted was a few decent courses to play on, and a cool Mario character to play as!
@johnvboy
Speaking of which, if we go off of Metacritic, Super Rush has a 75, World Tour has a 78, and Toadstool Tour has a 81.
6 points separate the supposedly "terrible & rushed" Super Rush and the "Golden Age of Mario Golf" Toadstool Tour.
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I always find it interesting is that people criticize a game for what it isn't, rather than what it is.
If it isn't the graphics, or the animations, it's this or that, etc. Yet people will praise earlier, more simplistic games with even less features than this.
Sounds like if you want a fun golf title with Mario characters, this will be great. If you want a deep, 25 course game with a 50 hour RPG adventure mode, or other things Nintendo never promised, it's probably not for you.
They did mention to expect additional courses and characters will be added later, for what it's worth.
@nocdaes I don’t know about quality golf mechanics.
For me, it has not delivered there. I played a few rounds and the camera controls are bad, and there isn’t a timing button-press aspect for accuracy.
It doesn’t feel fun to play.
@johnvboy when I spend £50 on a game I like to think I'm getting value for money. That's easy if there is a demo to play before you buy. Otherwise I rely on a few reviews. I know I may still not like the game regardless of a review, but it helps a bit before I spend fifty quid.
There will be a lot of folks who have bought this game and it's in the post to arrive tomorrow. And after reading the reviews maybe they will feel let down.
I've pre ordered and if I don't collect I don't pay.
What is annoying is that Nintendo released the game knowing it was not up to scratch, but are happy to take full price for it. Apparently there will be DLC later which I guess has been held back for a few months. That could have been included now.
@westman98,
Ah but those nostalgia goggles are strong indeed, with Nintendo games.
@zool,
Who said it's not up to scratch?, it's only peoples opinions at the end of the day.
@johnvboy
Funny enough, Mario Strikers - another fan favorite - has a 76 Metacritic. I have no doubt that game would have reviewed much worse nowadays as that game is pretty content sparse even in comparison to the recent Camelot Mario sports titles.
The nostalgia goggles are strong for many here.
@johnvboy
“ the N64 version reigns supreme.”
Totally agree, with regard to both Tennis and Golf.
My game is coming tomorrow, can't wait to play it even if it seems that the game was super rushed by nintendo
@Yorumi
Metacritic just aggregates a ton of different reviews and takes the average of all those review scores. Metacritic themselves doesn't issues any reviews or scores.
If you have an issue with Metacritic, then you have an issue with all the reviewers from whom they collect reviews from.
@johnvboy well it's an expensive lucky dip if you are happy to gamble your fifty quid.
Of course £50 may be loose change to you, so it won't be such a big gamble.
But you must have clicked this review for a reason.
I'll wait for the inevitable Black Friday or Mario Day sale.
Sounds "par for the course" indeed. These Mario sports titles usually average out to be in 70s-low 80s, nothing ground breaking but still fun games nonetheless.
Always gets me when anything that rates below a 9 is considered terrible. But then even a 9 or 10 scores get accused of being paid off.
if you don't want to buy a game for 60 bucks, then don't buy it. But there will not be too many games that are coming out for less than that unless it is indies, some remakes, ports or compilations.
I love me some Mario Golf.
World Tour on 3DS was a hidden gem, and this game looks to be bigger and better in virtually every way. Adds motion controls, has a Stat based adventure, modes up the wazoo including battle golf (sounds so crazy, I love it).
As far as I'm concerned, this will be another top shelf banger in my portable library. As much as I loved World Tour, having the option to use motion on the TV is the cherry on top that really makes this a cut above.
Think they're releasing free updates too, probably new courses. Hopefully they give us a season pass like World Tour got to expand the course selection even further.
@WoomyNNYes Yeah, tournament or online lobbies with friends are really the only way you're gonna get those sort of rulesets online. I just want some new content like tracks since the game is essentially seven years old and I have been playing since day one. The same tracks are tedious, though that's more due to the overall mechanics of the game being very basic with little depth, and items being horrendously balanced.
I was on the fence, but if paid DLC is a big factor and the story mode doesn't seem all that great, it's a no from me.
@Aneira It had 8 if you count the two mini-golf courses. Full-size courses, it had 6 as well.
Of course anyone who enjoys Mario Golf is free to enjoy this entry, but it is worth mentioning that we seem to have more than filled the Mario sports niche on the Switch at this point. Perhaps it is time for Camelot Software Planning to release something a little different...
I'll be passing on this for Tony Hawk and Zombies Ate My Neighbors instead.
@AlexHarford They already confirmed free DLC including courses and characters.
@zool
"Value" is a loaded, subjective term. People are happy to pay $20 to see a 90 minute film in theaters. $60 for a 20-30 hour+ experience seems a "value" by comparison.
Conversely, a $15 Netflix sub gets you endless hours of entertainment in a month if you want.
Given the expense and effort that goes into development/testing/marketing, I personally feel $60 is fair, especially if I buy physically and have the option of getting some of my money back by selling if I choose.
Everyone knows by now that game prices in general have remained consistent vs. where they could easily be in the $70-80 range. Imagine if they charged $117 dollars for the game? which is exactly what the inflation-adjusted price for Star Fox 64 would be today (and other N64 games).
@Yorumi
You are free to not believe what any reviews say (including this one) and play the games yourselves.
@ThomasBW84 Thanks for the honest review.
You mentioned that things like spin, fade, and draw are easier with button controls than with motion controls, but are such actions still POSSIBLE with latter? I've been hoping for motion controls similar to those found in Wii Sports Resort's golfing, where the twist of your wrist and curve and velocity of your swing affected such things. Can you elaborate any more on how Mario Golf's implementation compares?
I had a feeling this one was like ALL Camelot's recent offerings, phoned-in, release thin, and patch it up later.
I cancelled my pre-order after the E3 trailer and it will now drop off my radar for this generation. Too bad, I used to be a huge fan of the N64 and especially GC versions..
Back to the wonderful Golf Story for me.
@westman98
Games at $60 a pop are too expensive to just play every single game yourself. I personally saw things I didn't like or did not excite me in the trailers and Treehouse events, so it was an easier pass for that price. I bet it is the same for others too.
I thought the presentation looked a little off. Those trees in particular bothered me. That having been said, I have a $25 Gamestop gift card about to expire this month, so even on the off-chance that I don't like it, I won't have wasted $60. I'm getting it.
@Mallow you are right looking at it from your perspective. And yes price is subjective, but it becomes less subjective if you earn $10 an hour and I earn $100 an hour.
Netflix would rather have your monthly subscription than you dip in once in a while for the odd movie. Like a diner that says fill your plate for $8. They know that most folk won't over eat.
To me value for money comes before cost, and according to six reviews I watched, this Mario Golf game is not good value, especially when it has been reported that DLC will be available.
All the reviews commented on the lack of courses. Is that because they are being held back to sell later.
@johnvboy Yes, I'm sure the core game will be ok. To me it seems very much like Mario Tennis Aces where a basically good game was released at first but it lacked the bells and whistles that came after.
Thay game as it stands today is far better than the day 1 retail release..
Once the additional courses and a few improvements are added shortly it will likely be a great game..
@zool "All the reviews commented on the lack of courses. Is that because they are being with held back to sell later."
Not necessarily. We know from an earlier stream that New Donk City is going to come free in a later title update. Also, all of Mario Tennis Aces' DLC characters and extra options came free (barring the Nintendo Switch Online subscription, of course).
Very unsure about getting this. Remember the first one when it had original characters that you had to unlock one by one giving you a good reason to keep playing
Looks like fun to me! I'll be picking my copy up tomorrow morning from Best Buy along with Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 & 2. This will be my first Mario Golf game experience. None of the other Mario Sports games have let down over the years.
@Narrator1 if it comes free then it may be worth buying the game when the dlc is released.
I was beyond hyped when this was announced, but seeing how the golfing system has changed and the lack of features and modes that existed in older games makes me unsure about this game now, despite the generally positive critical reviews.
Six 18-hole Courses isn't the deal breaker. That's the same amount as 64, Toadstool Tour, and World Tour prior to DLC. Neither is the lack of 'fantastical' courses, if anything, these are much more 'fantastical' than most of the prior Mario Golf Courses.
I might still get it, but it's no longer the 'must have day-1' title for me.
@zool
All Mario Golf updates will be free, much like it was in the last Mario Tennis title.
@westman98 ok thank you, is there a date for the dlc?
Golf is the most laid back and chill sport there is, and yet they profaned it with this speed run crap. I looked forward to this game for years, and seeing how they have turned it into a golf PARTY instead of a true golf game, is extremely disappointing. The 3ds one was a letdown too and it’s still light years ahead of this one as far as content and enjoyment are concerned. What were they thinking?!
@zool New Donk City is coming next month. That's all we know for sure.
Now for the speculation. If it's anything like Mario Tennis, they're going to start trickling out newer characters through free DLC at a rate of one per month. Possible early access for people who place well enough on the online leaderboards.
Wow what a met down this turned out to be, seems like something they quickly threw together just so they had something to release and keep everyone happy for a while
@BANJO,
Agree more content/courses will always be welcome, but pretty sure the game has more than enough content to begin with, and will be a lot of fun.
@zool,
Not such a lucky dip with the evergreen nature of Nintendo games, you could buy it play it for a month and still get back your initial outlay, if you are that way inclined.
But I am well aware of what I am getting with this game and am sure I will enjoy it.
@electrolite77,
I think the Tennis games in particular, due to their speed and action packed nature, have tended to be more based on the special moves as each game has been released.
Golf on the other hand has always been a more sedate affair, and I am so glad it's returning to a more traditional type of Sports sim, with the Mario players and some special stuff thrown in too, plus the motion controls which look pretty good to me, and like a Mario themed version of Hot Shots golf, even more so with the handheld mode.
@westman98,
Some always have a very fickle nature when it comes to reviews, and it's mainly based on their reflection of their own personal feelings about a game, so when the reviews support their opinion then it's o.k, but falls down as soon as the opposite is true, can't work both ways.
With this game I am sure there will be some issues, but a lot will depend on what you wanted in the first place, for me as a lover of the more realistic natural looking courses it's a win, never really played the more wacky locales in the previous entries, although I would not turn them down of offered.
@johnvboy playing devils advocate, something had to make you well aware if it wasn't a review. Me I played Mario Golf on the 3ds and on the strength of that I pre ordered this game.
The reviews I watched convinced me to give this one a miss.
I'm sad. My Switch has been gathering dust for months. Usually really enjoy the Mario sports games but this seems like Nintendo have phoned it in. Could very well sell my console at this rate
Does anyone know if there’s split-screen? Speed golf with others in the same room sounds quite fun … online, not so much
Pre-Ordered, I had no choice.. what, am I supposed to play the 3DS game again?? Toadstool Tour?? I just can't, literally hundreds of hours already in both! It's been freaking years!
@Ooyah Isn't this kinda thing normal for Nintendo Life comment sections?
Meh, not too surprised by the 7. This feels like a Black Friday game for me. Hopefully, by then the game will have more content.
@WanzerAce MK8 players: first time?
@zool,
Personal choice at the end of the day, I enjoyed the 3DS version, but just like the look of this one better, as it suits my own personal tastes, no right or wrong in all of this, it's just down to the individual, hope the game gets some more updates, so it ticks more of your boxes.
Played a good bit of it for my job, and I'll just say that a 7 is generous
So the quality continues to go down, while the price continues to go up.
@johnvboy
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@imagazelle Hi, of course! The motion controls are very accurate, and certainly when I swung more smoothly and realistically I would have better swings in the game. Likewise it's also possible to get shots wrong if you swing badly; in other words I think they did a nice job.
You can add deliberate swerve by holding left or right on the stick as you swing, replicating the way you'd do it with the button controls. It'll need practice though, as holding the analogue stick in a specific direction while also swinging is a little unorthodox. I couldn't find a way to apply backspin and overspin in motion controls though, so it'll be more about judging distance and conventional bounce.
7/10 huh.... well, back to the N64 emulator for me!
@Yosher Splatoon wasn't really a "release now, fix later" type situation. It was a release now, expand later. The initial version was really good and had a solid foundation, just needed to be bolstered by more content.
This is more along the lines of Camelot's previous release, Mario Tennis Aces, which was "release now, fix later".
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@johnvboy Absolute gold...
@roboshort Mario Tennis Aces and Mario Golf Super Rush both also have/had solid foundations, that need(ed) to be bolstered by more content. Just like Splatoon. They are/were not unplayable messes or anything like that and it's also like there's not already various things to do in the game at launch.
All three games are/were both games that already played just fine at release and were good games in their own right at the start that are/were just light on content but became/will become much more substantial over time. With all three games, the idea was to build a solid base and then fill that base up more after release.
It just so happens that Mario Tennis and Mario Golf are already established series that simply feel bare bones with this practice because fans of the series are used to having a ton to do on day 1, hence the feeling that these entries need fixing rather than just expanding. Splatoon, starting out with this kind of setup from the very first game (and being the ground layer for this kind of setup in the first place), did not have this issue because there was nothing to really compare it to because it was the first in the series.
At least, that's how I feel about it personally and how I believe the general public. If you feel differently, then that's fine.
@RupeeClock Definitely expected. The harder these game sites hype a game, the lower you know the score is going to be. You can bet the farm on it.
@electrolite77 This is the thing, I got bored with Mario Golf on the GC very quickly. I will definitely pick this up. I won't be glued to the screen but much like NES Open I will bang out a round or two here and there.
It'll be a case of I fancy a round I'll play it, 3 or 4 weeks later I'll play another round. I'll probably get more mileage out of this game over an extended period than Smash by a country mile. Much like Pure Pool is my third most played game behind BOTW and Dragon Quest XI S. A classic dipper in and outer.
This game looked like a dud to me, and I love Golf games. World Your didn't really grab me either. Hots Shots and Mario Golf have both taken several steps baxk in the last decade.
@Yorumi Yeah I remember that, but I also feel like it just worked more for that game and that it just was more accepted for that title even if a lot of people still complained. I dunno, maybe that's just me? Probably.
Can’t say I’m surprised by the overreaction to the “low” score. It’s amazing what the internet has done to people’s mindsets.
7 or lower: TRASH
8: Passable
9: Hey, maybe I’ll check this out!
10: “Ooh, it’s flawless!” Or “Overrated TRASH!”
Now Nintendo, Where is Kirby Dream Course 2?
@ThomasBW84 Thanks for the reply!
It's a shame they didn't make it as sophisticated as Wii Sports in that regard. I can only hope they might improve it in future updates...
Was real let down by this. I adore toadstool tour to death and there is basically zero personality to the characters anymore. Speedgolf is fun, but that's the only noteworthy inclusion. No ring golf or other bonus minigames either. I also wish they had actual creative and wacky places to golf rather than "Generic Desert with one guy popping out near the end" and "Fire world with no real theme or setting other than fire". Matching styles with Aces and Mario Party is NOT a good thing. Make it unique. There is a reason people are missing mario strikers for wii and gamecube, and not mario volleyball or basketball for wii
I think I will buy it but not happy with the reviews, why couldn’t it be a home run!
@JiUreland1992 well that’s good to know.
This looks less like Mario Golf and more like a golf game with Nintendo characters. It seems to be lacking the content and inventiveness of previous entries in the series. I think this an eventual (used) purchase rather than a day one.
Just played for two hours or so. It really has a shareware feel to it. Unfinished and kinda half baked. And it actually doesn't look that great either. Which is crazy considering it is the newest flagship AAA title from Nintendo.
I mean, it looks okay. But compared to MK8 it feels like a waaaay older game.
This sounds really disappointing. I was hyped for Aces and everything about it was a complete let down. I felt robbed. I groaned when I first heard about this, but after watching it at E3 it was actually starting to look pretty cool. Was tempted to buy tomorrow to have a chill casual summer game to accompany creaking joycons from MHR intense sessions.... But waited for the review to decide, and this is confirming everything I initially imagined about it.
I don't think I'll ever be buying a Camelot game again. They feel like the budget version of EA Sports but with Nintendo's unfortunate character licensing.
@Yorumi Honestly I don't think on disc DLC is that big a deal if said DLC is free, as such I think those who complained about it were making a bit too big a deal about it, personally. In my opinion it fits the world of the game well too in that new weapons constantly get released and all. Online being locked behind membership suddenly is pretty dumb though yeah, especially since there haven't really been any improvements to said online experience, though I've been enjoying the game for many hours and got my money's worth from the subscription out of splatoon 2 alone and then some. To each their own though of course! Maybe the third game can win you over again when they reveal more about that.
@NeonPizza
Good point.
I have a vive cosmos, and I love it, but i always feel like/worry the weird motion of the swing would mess with how the headset sits on my head.
Still, maybe it's time to try vr golf. I think steam offers a game.
@NEStalgia,
To be honest this is why the game will appeal to me and many others, and possibly be the best selling game in the franchise, as more natural looking and easily accessible golf game at its core, they van add all the crazy courses later if they want.
@Yanina,
Not sure how a traditional golf course will look like a more zany out there Mario Kart track, next time I am not watching the Masters or U.S open, if they do not include a couple of piranha plants, or warp pipes.
The games visuals look awesome if you base them on how a traditional golf course should look like, and shareware?, me thinks you are being a tad harsh on this, but up to you at the end of the day,
@johnvboy every time I hear the very real suggestion that the most half baked, bare bones games have the widest appeal and will be best sellers it makes me want to hit something with a sledge hammer. It's grotesque, and it's EA and every mobile developers secret sauce, sadly. For a plain golf game there's already Tiger Woods, PGA Tour, etc. Mario sports were special because they were something other than a basic sports simulator.
Not sure if it's Camelot or Nintendo, but they should kiss and make up with EA, get the actual sports games back for sports fans, and get Mario sports back to being something completely unique rather than IP licensed consolation prizes for not getting the actual sports games. Though I'd pay money to Spike & Bowser's WWE Smackdown and Waluigi & Peaches' Beach Volleyball.
I just wanted the game for the standard golf and it delivered in that. And the fact that they had to mention at E3 that more content is on the way, seems that they were apologizing for the launch. "Yes, it seems a bit lackluster now, but don't you worry." So I'm a happy boi.
@NEStalgia,
The game or games being bare bones is an opinion at best, just Like with Animal crossing, lots of content but different content, if that content does not appeal, then it's a personal issue.
I would have happily paid $35 or so for a Wii U Sports Club remaster on the Switch, and to be honest mainly use the Golf and bowling, and the bowling is already included in clubhouse games, so effectively only two 9 hole golf courses.
This new Mario golf game has far more content. performs very well and looks good, and will be receiving extra courses over time, not that I am that bothered in the first place, as I will get loads of play from this and all those other bare bones games.
i want some online ranking system and online tournaments and i am happy
Holy crap, what a collection of comments! This game is coming in the mail, and now I'm really curious to see what I think of it. I'm really excited for it. I've really liked the N64, Gamecube, GBC, and 3DS mario golfs. I'll probably like this too. I don't usually watch Dashie, but I enjoyed seeing him play speed and battle golf in his youtube video. He even sort of danced and rapped to the game's music.
7? What the duck happened.
@RoguePirate WHY EVEN LOOK AT THE REVIEW THEN
@NEStalgia,
It could also be the fact these awesome previous games are not selling well, they rarely sell that well, Tennis aces on the Switch has already become the series top seller, this latest game should follow suit.
@60frames-please,
Most will be excited for a Mario golf game that runs well, looks good, and has some great features.
@Yosher From this review, it sounds like the foundation in Mario Golf is not good because the main gimmick, "rushing", just didn't work out. It looks like they probably don't understand what makes golfing fun, which is the environments and the feeling of hitting the ball well. Camelot should have focused on providing innovation in those two areas making interesting terrains/environmental effects which would require skill in hitting the ball well.
Splatoon started out with a great foundation so each update was exciting. Aces started out with a decent foundation and became a good game eventually.
@WiltonRoots
Classic dipper in and outer is a great summary. I’ll get a lot of play out of this. Others may not, and that’s down to them.
Choice is subjective, the perception of value is subjective. It amuses me watching others attempt to apply objective measures in a futile attempt to validate their own subjective opinion and give it more credibility.
(It also surprises me to see Toadstool Tour held up as the gold standard when like many other Nintendo franchises on the Gamecube I thought it inferior to the N64 iteration. But you know, subjective opinion).
@NRT1000 because i wanted to see what the reviews would look like.
Because to me, i figured that this game would be a 5 out of 10 if not for Mario and co.
It seems that assertion is probably correct.
@Crockin yeah i imagine that's because of Mario and the brand power behind it.
Remove him and you realise its like you said, 7 is generous.
@RoguePirate I mean it's fine and all, not a bad game, but definitely very slight. We were bored like 30 min in. Unfortunate because the golfing controls actually feel pretty nice. It's no Wii sports. I give it a 4 or a 5
@Yorumi,
Not a fact at all. I do not feel it's barebones, so does that make your or my point invalid, depends on what you wanted out of the game.
Not crying about anything, can't wait to pick it up.
Why mario tennis is not getting this very same treatment by Nintendo 😞. They released and never came back.
I really enjoyed World Tour on the 3DS. I think im going to hold on this one for a while though. The six courses bother me. I know that the is probably the intention of DLC, but Nintendo can walk away from a game pretty fast. Not everything gets the Ultimate Smash treatment.
@Yorumi,
You can't keep comparing every game to previous entries, I don't like the older games, even the Gamecube entry was not all that inviting to me, just like these newer games.
No problems with you not liking them though, I just do not agree with you.
Apparently the original Gamespot review didn't describe the control scheme accurately causing many in the comment section to wonder if the reviewer had even played the game.
I downloaded this today, and have played through each of the 6 courses in single player stroke play. Only previous Mario Golf game I played was N64, which I played to death, alone and with friends. I have zero interest in speed golf or battle golf, may try with friends over drinks one evening, but I got this mostly just to chill and play single player on the courses, seeing how low a score i could shoot.
Courses, I prefer to the 6 on the N64. I didn't like the later courses on the N64, but on Switch, the final few courses, especially the Bowser course, I really enjoyed. You can change wind speeds, move back to Championship tee's, to increase the challenge.
Mention of Championship tees makes me think there may be a competition mode to come?
What don't I like? As others have said the graphics don't look great, especially compared to Mario Kart levels of quality, it looks like a Wii game to me. I've gotten used to the new shot system, but it's clearly designed for speed golf. Mario Golf on N64, with the classic 3 click system, if you mistime it you hit the ball 3 yds. It's impossible to hit a bad shot (mishit shot) on this new game.
You can sort of level up the Mario characters, as you unlock better clubs, which really impact gameplay by adding distance, ability to swing the ball more than 1 way, etc.
If as promised they add more courses (hopefully at least another 3 or 4), then it'll scratch the Mario Golf itch I've had since N64 days. Hoping they also add some more modes, which does look likely...
I always expected this to score 7 because it is golf and the excellent predecessors didn't leave much room for improvement. I'd hazard to day, N64 is still probably the best version while 3DS was good, especially with the online functionality. Courses were limited. NES Open was also really good for its time.
This is £35.88 on Ebay U.K. from Shopto Outlet if you have a Nectar code on your account and use the code NECTARJ20
@johnvboy And FIFA 21 (reskinned FIFA 20 (reskinned FIFA 19 (reskinned FIFA 18))) and CoD: Generic Soldierman outsells Mario Odyssey, Ori, and GoT combined 3:1. And Big Macs outsell coque au vain 2000:1. I'm sure the crummiest game that the focus group determined had a marketable attribute for each of the key demographics will sell very well. Doesn't mean we have to pretend they're not half baked focus tested for maximum market penetration pieces of trend-following disposable snacktainment.
I have no love of 2K, but seriously, compare this:
https://pgatour.2k.com/features/
-or what EA will sell next year for $10 more:
https://www.ea.com/games/pga-tour
To what we see above. For the exact same amount of money. It's like being offered a large scratch-made and decorated bakery cake, or a 2-pack of Twinkies for the same money, and choosing the Twinkies. Or finding out the other cake is iced with a chocolate ganache for $10 more and still choosing the Twinkies.
The whole point of Mario Sports games was that they weren't really sports games, they were video games themed around a sport, to kind of connect the idea of the sport to a unique game. Then when Nintendo jumped the shark and lost all the major 3rd party sports games they brought the Mario Sports games closer in line to normal sports games to fill the void. Now it seems like they just release them out of obligation rather than passion. Like annual real sports games....
Aces could have been great, but instead it just....wasn't. It was just simple Tennis with some varied backgrounds and not much more. Aces would have worked on a Game Boy with simpler graphics.
@NEStalgia,
See what you are saying, but can't wait for it, and I am sure you are not suggesting Nintendo should make titles that do not appeal to the widest market possible, and as I said the those older entries sold very low numbers,
Perhaps the more realistic approach is what is needed.
@electrolite77,
Sounds like a great deal.
I don't understand how they're arguing that this game isn't creative enough. Like, what????
Well if you compare it to competitors it's just less, all the way around, without anything truly unique to hang its hat on. If you compare it to its own series, it's less, for more. Yes it sold low numbers in the past because those consoles weren't very popular compared to Switch. The Nintendo software market was very different. We see that with the (endless parade of) re-releases where games that never sold on other machines sell on Switch. There's not much argument that "it will sell better because it's a cut down game." It'll sell better because it's on Switch, and Nintendo will again recognize that on their captive market they don't have to actively aim for greatness to hit their sales goals, they can do the bare minimum and as long as it's not a Cp2077 level total failure, their investors will be happy.
If I were a mutual fund with $800M invested in Nintendo I'd be thrilled they found a way to milk maximum returns from minimal investment.
As a consumer, however, all I can do is scratch my head at how people don't have a problem paying premium for minimalist products as long as their favorite brand is on it.
It's not that it's less mini-golf looking that's the sole problem. It's that it's not a wacky unique non-sports sports game, and as an actual sports game, it's just lacking compared to the competition. It's a budget golf game with licensed Nintendo characters at full price, glued to Mario Party style minigame mechanics.
Be honest, if this were a $30 indie golf game, exactly as it is, without the licensed characters, nobody would even be bothering to read the review.
I’m concerned because I’m pretty ok with it being bare bones (hopeful the added dlc will flesh it out) but when people start describing it as looking like a wii title that scares me.
@Yorumi,
I have very few feelings about it, it is what it is, I just have very little issue with this game as it is, if they release more content then I will take it, but not a deal breaker either way, pretty sure I will get enough value out of it.
@NEStalgia,
This is where I feel you are going wrong, it's not a game pitched against the ultra realistic golf simulators, it's a more light hearted fun version of the game, with Mario and his chums, nothing more nothing less.
And of course value will differ from person to person, to me it's good value, does not make me right or wrong though.
@johnvboy what I’m taking away from this is some people think it’s crap, how dare you look forward to enjoying it?
@johnvboy well there are a number of commenters on here which have tried it and have said that it wasn’t that great and some people have said they are selling it instantly on eBay. I really want to like this game and will decide by purchasing physical and selling later if I have to. But you have to accept that yes this is all subjective but once the majority start feeling one way then you’re subjective opinion starts to sound more and more like a bias while theirs sounds objective.
@WiltonRoots,
Yes it does appear that way, but I shall not let them convince me I am wrong not to like a game.
The other night someone suggested you could not say the game was good because you did not spend an obsessive amount of time playing video games, then you were obviously trolling because you did not agree with them.
@sixrings,
Again that's still personal opinions at the end of the day, and I will reserve judgement until I play the game later on today.
I'm still playing, and really enjoying this and getting into it. Still only playing score attack mode. None of the reviews mention that you have various levels of club you can upgrade for the players, and in score attack the clubs you select act as a difficulty setting, changing distance of holes and severity of wind, how tricky greens are, etc, and all have separate, very nicely managed high score charts and statistics. Which is exactly what i wanted, haha! So I'm happy, few more courses will be very happy...
Reviews are all over the place with this one! I don't know what to do.
@johnvboy well this is art. But certain art makes it into a gallery while other art doesn’t. You can like crappy art but don’t expect others to agree with you. Sure you have your own opinion but you’re more and more on your own island.
@johnvboy So if it's not a realistic golf game, and it's not a wacky sports themed Mario game that's not technically a sports game but uses sports as a base to build something new on, like the old games....then what is it? A golf-themed minigame collection featuring licensed characters? For $60?
TBH, I don't even mind what I see of the game itself as being all there is. If it were a Pushmo, Dr. Mario, Dillon, etc. type entry as a budget digital game with some laughs and giggles in it it could be quite a compelling option. If it were $40 or less it could be a win. But pretending this is an AAA major release on par with Splatoon, Odyssey, and, heck even Mario Party is what moves it from "fun time waster" to "I can't believe they can get away with selling this..." Sometimes it's not the content itself, it's the value placed on it that makes it a bad offer. I saw a pair of Nine West flip flops for $99.99 once. They were the same exact generic foam flip flops they sell for $1.49 in Walmart with a screen printed Nine West logo on the heel that would fall off in a few days. It wasn't a counterfeiting scam, it was in their own retail store. They were legit selling dollar flip flops for a hundred bucks with nothing but their logo screen printed on them. And people were buying. This was before the crash of 2008 where designer brand got devastated (which means hundred dollar flip flops at the pre-inflation era of pre-2008!) Aces was the video game equivalent of those flip flops. This game doesn't sound like it improves on that standard much, if at all.
@Dimey,
Listen this is a bare bones game and you know it , to be honest I do like the hidden depth of Camelot games, hidden beneath the cute exterior.
@NEStalgia,
At it's heart is a more accessible golf game, but will have lots of control nuance included, which was pretty much the way Camelot have operated for years now.
Not sure what some were expecting on here.
But I could play it later and change my mind...
@sixrings
“ once the majority start feeling one way then you’re subjective opinion starts to sound more and more like a bias while theirs sounds objective.”
That isn’t how it works
@johnvboy Of course you won't. It says Nintendo on the box so you'll think it's the best thing ever even if you boot it up, it lets you swing at one hole, and it says "Thanks for Playing!"
Even if we could agree on Animal Crossing (we don't) - there's really little room to defend Camelot. If it follows the same template as Aces, it's a budget half game with more spent on marketing than the product. It's just how Camelot rolls, apparently. They just don't produce complete games anymore. They tick the boxes and move on. I suppose it shouldn't be surprising from a studio that began life as part of the Sonic Team.
@electrolite77 that is pretty much how it works or you can end up being the outlier defending the super Mario bros movie which got 28% on the rotten tomato meter and averaged 4.1 out of ten. Sure someone may like it but then people are going to wonder why and ultimately not trust their opinions anymore.
@NEStalgia,
As I said before I have not played the golf game as yet, so I will reserve judgement until I do, I will not be giving it a free pass just because it's a Nintendo product.
As for Animal crossing I do feel it's down to your own preference as to weather or not you like it' content, personally I d and have had great value from it.
@sixrings,
Arts a tough comparison to make though, as it can be very personal to what floats ones own boat, as it where.
@sixrings
If someone likes the Super Mario Bros movie that’s totally up to them. Doesn’t make them right or wrong or show bias or anything else. It’s a subjective opinion.
The graphics aren't that simplistic - we see more detailed trees, textures and a superb lighting. That said, the story mode has really simple assets. It felt a bit 'rushed' on that part. The Golf Arenas are the truly detailed par.
@johnvboy "...it's not a game pitched against the ultra realistic golf simulators, it's a more light hearted fun version of the game..."
I think the problem is that Super Rush may be a little too light-hearted. Mario Golf Advanced Tour on the GBA, and Mario Golf World Tour on the 3DS offered more than simple light-hearted fun. They had real depth and longevity, a variety of play modes and mini-games, multiple goals to work towards, all based around exotic golf courses that could only exist in the Mario universe. Super Rush, in comparison, looks like a straight golf game with Nintendo characters.
@Mountain_Man,
Just fired the game up and played a few holes, the controls are spot on and have a surprising amount of depth, and the courses do look very good, not tried motion controls as yet.
Yes I do agree on the natural looking courses view, I much prefer these types of course, but I do see where you and others are coming from, perhaps the updates will have more exotic courses.
try bowsers course... i loved that one
@electrolite77 I don’t think that’s actually fully accurate. If generally speaking people dislike something and someone else likes it then the burden on them is to reasonably explain why their take is legitimate. Otherwise at best the person becomes a contrarian and at worst a troll.
It’s ok to like something no one else does but you can’t go through 300 comment section defending the game basically saying it’s what I want so I like and everyone else is asking too much. Especially on a site which generally is super favourable to Nintendo first party games.
@sixrings
You’re overthinking it. Opinions are subjective (like the perception of value in fact). Where people go wrong is trying to make out their own opinion is more valid because others agree, or assuming their own criteria for that opinion should matter to others. All ways of saying one opinion is right and another is wrong. Which doesn’t work.
@johnvboy So basically you're not allowed to like this game because people in here hate it. Shame on you. You should think like them and be up in arms...
@johnvboy Whether or not the controls are "spot on" is really not the issue. The controls in PGA Tour 2K21 are also spot on. So what really separates Super Rush from PGA Tour 2K21 besides a more colorful aesthetic and a handful of fantasy obstacles? Where are the outlandish courses like World Tour's Cheep Cheep Lagoon, DK Jungle, and Sky Island?
@WiltonRoots,
So true, but the game is pretty good fro what I have played thus far, but yes some are determined to hint that people who like this game have no right to.
@Mountain_Man,
It just feels like a Mario sports game, I have liked this game ever since it's reveal and it does what it should do, yes it does feel a lot more like a regular golf game, but that's not all that bad, and to be honest I have felt this for all the Camelot golf titles,
all the people saying there are no outlandish courses. firstly, PGA on xbox one and the later courses on N64 mario golf taught me outlandish courses are rarely more than a novelty. But also, ignoring any DLC planned, the final course, bowsers lava thingy, is really good! has everybody actually played this game yet??
i have no desire to argue with anybody. but for me, i've spent almost the entire day (sad) playing this game, and only playing the single player mode, levelling up characters and trying to beat my scores on each course, for each of the 3 difficulty settings. And i'm having a blast. yes the graphics could be better, but that doesn't make it less fun. If graphics was the be all and end all, i'd only ever play my xbox.
@johnvboy "...it does feel a lot more like a regular golf game, but that's not all that bad."
No, it's not necessarily bad, but Advance Tour and World Tour were a lot more than just a regular golf game with Nintendo characters, so that's kind of what I was expecting from Super Rush. As it is, I already have an excellent regular golf game for the Switch in PGA Tour 2K21.
@johnvboy like you said earlier, the control systems on all camelot golf games have so much depth. a well balanced golf game, even with a small number of tracks, can give so much entertainment.
and since when did more courses mean better game? My favourite racing game is the original sega rally, 3 basic tracks. But you learn everything about them, and take pleasure in shaving fractions off your best times. I have xbox golf games with loads of courses, but there are so many you barely remember one from the other. agree not everybody will feel the same, but some of us like score chasing haha
have a great weekend everybody.
@electrolite77 well sure then I think the best game ever made was urban champion. If they rerelease it at full price it’s worth it because it’s a Nintendo game and so simple to pick up and play. You can not challenge my opinion because it’s just an opinion. And I’ll let you know I’m entitled to my opinion despite the contrary opinion is held by the vast majority simply because I like it and therefore others should like it or simply not buy it or comment on it.
Yes art is subjective butThe fact is even in art there are galleries to determine for the most part what the experts consider quality art. For music we have things like the rock and roll hall of fame. Just because it’s art and people are able to have their opinions doesn’t mean there is not a time when things either become considered by consensus (more or less) objectively good or not.
@Dimey,
Of course a few on here would have played this game, but a lot will just be echoing sentiments of the review, I have played it and it's pretty awesome, new features like the range finder are well implemented too.
Totally agree with you on the more exotic courses i like them initially for a bit of fun, but always tended to go back to the more traditional courses for the majority of the time.
I have always liked the Wii U Sports club courses, and these seem to have very similar feel to them, but much better. The game looks and runs great in handheld mode, but those visuals really come alive in docked mode.
@Dimey,
Same to you, hope you have a great weekend playing this game, I know I will.
@johnvboy I have not played the game and hope it’s as good as the few here who have played it and are saying good things about it.
But if it was so good then Nintendo would have likely not had such a late embargo on its reviews. That’s pretty much always not a good sign.
A demo wouldn’t hurt either if they were confident of this games gameplay trumping things like more crazy courses.
cheers fella
damn it, so much the reviews missed out, good and bad. the putting is so well balanced.
@Mountain_Man,
I suppose this will have a more limited appeal if you own those more traditional golf simulators, but I tend to just buy the Mario themed sports titles, so for me this game is pretty fresh.
few things i wish they'd add in down the line... risk reward for power shots from N64 version? ring golf would be a simple add, surely?
@sixrings,
I have only just dipped my toes into the water as it were, but my initial impressions of the overall look and feel of this game are very positive indeed, and I am convinced their is a pretty tight golfing game hidden behind the cutesy exterior.
@johnvboy i've put more hours into Rory McIlroy on my xbox one than anything else on that console, but still love this game. there's a seriously good golf game hidden beneath the speed golf and other guff in this
genuinely think you can get £50 of entertainment out of this without ever playing the novelty modes...
@johnvboy I get it. Different strokes for different folks. If I didn't already own PGA Tour then I would be all over Super Rush, which I may still buy, just not at new prices. If enough people don't like it, it shouldn't be hard to find a used copy at a discount.
@Dimey,
I noticed that, in the short period I have played this game there are things I have noticed that would have warranted a mention in the review, the range finder feature in particular is very well implemented.
As you say the putting is awesome, and the simple tap in button press is a great idea, in fact the whole swing meter implementation is spot on too, feel much less like a lottery as in previous games.
@johnvboy yep. obvs they are focussed on the speed golf and battle golf, but they didn't mention so many of the features! score attack is basically my only mode, and they didn't mention it at all!
@Dimey,
Totally agree, just had a quick go on the motion controls and they are very impressive indeed, I will be having a few online matches with friends, which I am looking forward too.
biggest gripe? why WHY have a green-esque slope grid over the bloody tee area. looks a mess and totally pointless.....
-24 on the first course just now
@Mountain_Man,
Pretty sure you will be able to pick this up for a good deal at some point.
@johnvboy as someone who has four switches and intended to buy four copies to play speed rush I will have to love my first copy to go ahead and purchase three more copies.
Nintendo really failed this generation by omitting download play like on the 3DS.
@Dimey,
I have only played the first three holes of the basic beginners course, but got -3 on every go, pretty sure with these awesome controls some great scores are on the cards.
Well done on the -24, you have got t be pleased with that.
@sixrings,
Yes they just want to sell as many copies of each game as possible, to be honest I would blame the failure of the Wii U more than anything else for this.
@johnvboy have to admit, it was using the best set of mario's clubs, so most par 4's drivable... should have been -25 haha...
weird that 5 courses have 3 different tee's, so score attack, it changes depending on the clubs you choose, but first course only has 1 set of tee's, beginner, so pick the best clubs and it's crazy short. but quite fun actually!
@johnvboy post back on here when you're played the other courses!
@Dimey,
Noticed the different tee positions, I do need to start unlocking those other courses, as the mountain one looks so good.
@johnvboy yep, was initially a bit disappointed as courses seemed too easy and short, but once you play off the back tee's and the wind is a bit stronger, it's so well balanced. loving it..
I preordered the game from Best Buy, can't wait to play it a week after release FML.
I just got Speed Rush in the mail and played it for 4 hours straight. It is awesome. I had a blast playing both online and offline. It seems like Daisy's petal blast might be OP. I've had multiple awesome hits with it, one time switching to a wedge while on the green just so I could knock everyone away from the hole. Some modes don't allow switch away from the putter while on the green, but whatever mode I was playing let me. The game is basically locked at 60fps which is awesome for responsiveness of gameplay and just enjoyment of watching it. I've seen it drop a very few frames when online with a poor connection with 3 others, but it didn't bother me and still looked and played great. It definitely drops resolution during some power moves, but the smoothness is totally worth it in my opinion. I disagree with so many reviews I've read or watched! IGN sort of said it isn't much better than NES golf! A youtube review said it's like the golf mini game in 51 clubhouse games! People on here have said it's like a shareware game! This review proclaims a lack of creativity. Jeez, I just feel like it's full of awesome gameplay, creativity, and even decent music (nothing awesome). I haven't even touched the adventure mode. Maybe I won't like it, but it doesn't matter because I'm already liking this better than any other golf game I've played so far just based on the online play and single player gameplay vs the CPU. I think the rather numerous low rating reviews may have helped me lower expectations so I could be impressed more than I would've otherwise. Anyways, Nintendo should pay whatever they have to to keep these devs making awesome games like Mario Tennis and this Golf game for Switch (or Switch Pro).
@60frames-please,
Great review, I have just started the adventure mode and am enjoying the hub world, this feature is a nice addition to an already solid golf sim, and the control scheme and mechanics are spot on, as I said I have tried the motion controls and they are just as good if not better than the Wii U's Wii remote plus system.
Yes some more courses zany or otherwise would be welcome, but as a lover of the more natural terrain, this is a big win for me, and the visuals are spot on in both handheld and docked mode, in the fact the game runs very well.
The game does feel like a top tier Nintendo sports sim and not rushed as some on here are suggesting, the tutorials take you through every step, which is nice because there is a lot of depth to this seemingly simple game, which again is a nod to Camelot and their skill at developing these games.
This will be the best selling Mario golf game ever, and it deserves it, looking forward to the inevitable DLC for this game too.
@Dimey,
Loving the game so far, and have only really just scratched it's surface, looks like Camelot have just put a lot more fun into this, while keeping it true to a realistic golfing simulator.
@johnvboy Yeah, I like the range finder too. I think it's the gameexplain video review where he says the range finder is a pain in the ass, but find it easy and useful (and quick, I check stuff even in speed golf sometimes). I also like the motion controls, even though I don't seem to be able to do as well when using them. I also like how the normal modes you always see the flight of your ball from behind it. That was the view I always wanted in Hot Shots and Mario Golf games, but would have to hit the button to replay the replay of the shot multiple times to get that camera view. It helps me learn how to shoot better. Such a great game. Oh, and the load times! They're practically non-existent, like with Mario Tennis on Switch. Camelot should be teaching devs how to make games run so smoothly and load so quickly. They're as good at that as the devs of The Touryst and Fast RMX. So cool when a game can run like cartridges (or Hu Cards)used to on SNES, Genesis, and PC Engine.
I've got such a long list of things I like about this game. The very short load times, the frame rate, the mostly sharp resolution, fun standard golf, good courses, speed golf, battle golf, good characters and power ups and speed dashes, etc. If I'd played this enough hours and written a review I'm pretty sure I'd give it a 9. I like it better than Mario Tennis on Switch, and that's a great game.
@60frames-please,
This is so much better than Mario tennis, which relies on the special shots too much, just like a more accessible traditional sports game with Mario and his chums thrown in.
Yes the range finder is awesome, as is the on screen interface, no more complicated hoops to jump through to realize what you should be doing.
Preordered this game and received it yesterday. Played a few practice rounds against the CPU and started the adventure mode last night. I’m really loving it so far. I think it’s an excellent golf game and don’t understand the poor reviews. It’s creative, it’s different, it’s beautiful and all in all in a very good game! I thought I wouldn’t enjoy the speed mode as I’m more of a golf purist but it’s actually really cool and something different. I see myself getting a lot of hours out of the game and I’m glad that could finally move away from ACNH which has become a complete borefest. I will give a more detailed review and update once I’ve played the game a bit more but so far I highly recommend it! Happy golfing:)
I’ve played it, and I must say, it’s pretty good.
The golfing mechanic are fun and well executed, story mode is a dumb but fun time, the new modes are all good fun.
However, it does share a similar problem to Aces. What’s there is excellent!
What isn’t there is head scratchingly annoying. When you’re done with story mode, it’s like, well, what now.
For example: story mode introduces several new variations on how golf is played, but they are only available in story mode.
They introduce this cool new mode called XC golf, but it’s only playable on one course, and only in story mode. I would have loved to try it on the other courses too!
There’s no tournament mode. That’s only in story mode, and even then, it only happens once.
These are the kind of problems aces had, and they make very little sense. Now, there’s every chance they will patch this stuff in, I’m still looking forward to playing more of this game, but some of the basic decision making here is just… bemusing.
Still play this game though, but this is one of the incredibly few games that I don’t recommend full price for. Not that it’s bad, it’s actually really good, but games that people hammered for being too expensive, I.e. tragically unnapreaciated sushi striker, have had waaaaaaaaay more to keep you occupied.
So buy it, but maybe get it at a sale from a department store.
@Yorumi
Do they? I think that is again adding a layer of complication. I don’t need to explain to anyone why I like Thing A beyond ‘I like it.’ If I present my reasons so be it but I don’t have to. Another person can hate Thing A and have their list of reasons, public or not. Neither of us can expect to change the others mind. Neither has that authority.
Either person can present as many lists of reviews and other people agreeing that Thing A is great or rubbish as they want, it doesn’t matter. It isn’t a scientific judgement or subject to a majority vote.
It is nice to some to think you can apply rationality to the irrational but you can’t. And it’s comforting to some to think they’re in ‘the majority’ but that doesn’t mean ‘the minority’ are wrong.
@sixrings
You’re perfectly entitled to think Urban Champions is the greatest game ever. Lots of people disagreeing is just that, that’s all it is. You don’t have to change your mind.
You and I are perfectly entitled to disagree with what art goes in the Louvre.
The presence of the Doors or he Red Hot Chili Peppers in the RNR HOF does not make them objectively good or make me or anyone else that thinks they’re sh*t feel any differently.
Everything is open to debate, when it comes to art very little can be objectively quantified and rated.
@electrolite77,
Awesome post mate, everybody should be made to read it, it's a very rational viewpoint on something that's hard to determine or pin down, of course it will mostly fall on deaf ears, but well done for saying it.
Hmm, I expected at least a 8 from this site. But yeah, the high days of Camelot Mario golf/tennis days are far behind us so it shouldn't surprise me that much. Might buy at a later date, but I am not in a hurry.
Sounds fun but nintendo rarely seems to do much to make online play compelling. No ranking or events hurts replay value.
Get Alex Olney or Jon Cartwright to review this. No doubt they would give it higher than a 7/10.
i give the game a 5/10, the game is missing so much stuff. it's like a super rushed game. only 6 course is really low for a switch game when you see how much course is existing in the game.
the Story mode ''mii character is really bad" it to much a mario tenis thing to much mini game and not enough real ''sport game'' it should have been like mario golf on GC and GBA focus on the sport and the course. but nop it's to much mini game related and it's really annoying,
the game is really short, for the price it's not worth it. it should have been 49$.
control part: the game is missing the shot line like the old game. we dont know if we shot super high or super low, and really mess with the game. the 2nd part is the ''fake power shot'' it shoot super low for no reason and not do like the old power shot give us more power.. the last part about power shot, during the Story mode they show us that it is made to pass true everything but nop when you use it it will be block by a tree or a monster and not destroy it.
and the sound effect are more annoying then anything you mute then because you dont want to hear toad and all other monster do some weird noise over and over again.
the course are really annoying and to much hazard that makes no sense. . the area of tree's make no sense. in your screen you shoot under it but it will touch a branch and it will not slow down your ball but work like a wall and trow you ball the opposite side.
and not talking about the bad mechanic of the LOB shot....... why Camelot WHY!!!
it is more annoying then fair. you will be angry at the game for some weird mechanic that is bad...
in the end i dont recommende the game atm. it is missing so much stuff that the old game had before.
it is one of the worst mario golf game almost has bad has the 3ds one.
last thing is Why using a Mii character do not get EXP from playing in multi player /solo mode
Last thing the mode of the game.. running around in the map with a time penalty is reallly bad and annoying more then anything else.
Next time try to be more like the sport and less like a mario game. this is not mario party this is a sport game
game play 6/10 can be so much better
game mechanic 4/10 missing the old shoot line/and power shot is really bad for a mario game
music 6/10 basic but where are the old music
sound effec /voice effect 3/10 character voice are fine > story mode voice effect annoying has hell
story mode 5/10 > super short and boss fight are annoying has hell >>> where is the real tournament
Course 5/10 > where is mushroom kingdom course where is all the old course why only 6... and course mechaine sucks
@sixrings lol failed this generation because of not having download play?lol for one this isn't the 3ds and for 2.you do know Nintendo switch sales are beyond excellent right.like breaking records and even outsold the xbox.but as you put it Nintendo failed this generation lol yea right lol
@zirothos,
Your review makes little sense, but just like my mini review thanks for posting your own subjective opinions on this game, I am loving it to bits, of course my own opinion.
@Darkyoshi98,
The Switch will end up selling more than the mighty PS4, just imagine the meltdowns on gaming forums when that happens, can't wait.
THIS GAME IS ABSOLUTE TRASH.
THE BALL TRAJECTORY DOESN'T CHANGE WHEN SWITCHING CLUBS. YOU HAVE NO IDEA IF YOU ARE GOING TO CLEAR OBSTACLES OR NOT.
THEY USED TO HAVE THE C-STICK TO ZOOM ACROSS THE TRAJECTORY LINE WHICH IS GONE.
TAUNTING... WHICH WAS IN THE N64 AND GC GOLF GAMES IS GONE.
RUSH GOLF IS ABSOLUTELY BROKEN. IF YOU'RE A SLOWER CHARACTER IT'S AN AUTOMATIC LOSS.
THEY TOOK MARIO GOLF TOADSTOOL TOUR AND GIMPED AND NERFED THE HELL OUT OF IT.
Well I'm feeling disappointed. How did they misunderstand what people wanted from a Mario Golf title so badly, after lessons being taught to them with Mario Tennis? Such a lack of solo player content. Remember the heady days of the Gamecube/GBA era sports titles when you had a wealth of mini-games and you could compete in tournaments against CPU players to win trophies? Why have they stripped these out of Mario Golf and Tennis these days? Even playing a regular round of golf against the CPU here, rather than compete against a full field of players it's limited to just 3 CPU and you have to sit and watch them take their turns each time.
Then there's the story mode. It's not bad, but could've been so much more. You get forced to play Speed Golf all the time. I actually got a hole-in-one but the stupid Speed Golf mode doesn't even show you replays let alone where the ball is heading. Why not make that a separate mode and have the story focused on just playing regular golf like it was in Advance Tour? It just seems like a complete lack of effort all round. Even World Tour on 3DS, despite having only 3 courses/tourneys to complete, was much better than this. And then you had the online tournaments as mentioned in the review. That kept me playing it for a full year after release as I tried to complete the trophy set. I loved it, and hoped for more this time. I'm shocked they didn't think to include it.
I have to wonder who is still at Camelot from the glory days of the early 00s because whoever is working there now simply doesn't understand what made those games so compelling and addictive to play. It's been downhill ever since then. The 3DS titles were lacking the same spark of the GC/GBA titles but were still very good. Then came the awful barebones Ultra Smash which felt rushed, and Aces only improved on it a little. I'm a HUGE Golden Sun fan so I always hope they're working on a new game but I have to be honest, following the last 3 releases I've lost faith in them being able to create anything that upholds the legacy of that series. Camelot as a studio needs a big shuffle because whoever is working there now lacks the talent that made it such a fan favourite back in the day.
"Little incentive to play online"
No friends? or drive for competition?
I’m a bit into this now, the second course and still disappointed.
There are some terrible design decisions IMO.
It’s too easy to screw up and not be able to undo it.
My Mii can’t climb cliffs so I have to walk the long way. Maybe this is why most real courses don’t have cliffs? 😅
There isn’t really time to set up a shot, just hit and run. Pretty much zero skill needed.
Even if you want to you’ll remain uninformed about the ball’s trajectory.
I have to wait for the CPU to finish their course and can’t skip it?
I have to walk to my bed rather than just ‘be’ there?
The overworld is merely OK. It’s boring and it’s possible to choose a path that looks right but isn’t. It’s all so unnecessary.
I hate that the camera moves in fixed increments and isn’t free like any other game I’ve played in a decade (?).
I’d give it a 5/10 so far. Totally average.
I think a 7 underrates this game. It's really fun, and online play is a blast. Nintendo has announced that more courses are coming. I'm enjoying this game tremendously. I do think the graphics could have been better with course details and character animation. It doesn't quite live up to Switch capability there. Also, this is the quickest loading game I've played on the Switch (at least in the physical version). I push the button, and it loads instantly. This game is worth the purchase by all means.
I'd have given it the same score. The mechanics are cool and it has some fun moments. The dialogue overall seems pretty lame and not very clever, and the Adventure Mode (like the review says) all of a sudden just gets weird and goes off the rails. Online play has been pretty fun. I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up wishing for a game like World Tour.
@RetroBox we should play online sometime. That's the mode I have enjoyed most!
@Yorumi
Possibly. I think that goes both ways. You see people who just dislike something ‘because.’ I don’t see anything wrong with asking why someone likes or dislikes something but I also don’t think there’s any obligation to give an answer, or an answer that the person asking feels sufficient.
Sometimes it’s just instinct. I like songs for example that I know could be objectively pulled apart and I couldn’t give you any better explanation beyond I like listening to it. I’ve also bought and liked games based on very little than an instinctive ‘I think I will like that’ and often been right even when it’s outside my typical likes. I’m obsessed with Desperados 3 at the moment having never played a previous entry in that series or really anything like it for a very long time. And I’ve done the other where I’ve bought games I absolutely should like (Donkey Kong 64) and hated it, or never tried a game (Monster Hunter World or Rise) because even though everything logical tells me it’s good I just don’t want to play it.
It’s very hard to quantify subjective opinions, in other words. And sometimes it isn’t necessary or warranted.
@Pikman The more I play this game the lower a review score I'd give it. I totally agree that there are just some terrible design choices. I would list it all here but nobody's reading it anyway. It's just so disappointing. This game could have been so great.
I've played more of this game and can kinda understand some of the mediocre reviews. Sometimes the graphics don't look to impressive (while awesomely running at 60fps). I think the main point of divergence is that I've almost exclusively played Speed Rush in online multiplayer, which most reviewers wouldn't have done, understandably. I've had a blast playing this way and always want to fire it up for another few games of battle golf, speed golf, or regular golf (with simultaneous hitting, not sequential!). I still haven't even started the golf adventure mode and I've played 10 to 15 hours of the game. For me it's the best golf game I've ever played just because no other golf videogame had such fun multiplayer.
@BEEFHAMMA I put a couple of hours into it but didn’t return yet, probably never will.
First game I’ve pre-ordered in years too, serves me right 😂
Back to Pikmin 3, again! (Loads better)
There's only 6 courses, ugh
Wow that game was garbage, a solid 3/10. How can anyone think this game was great, this was embarassing Nintendo.
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