Random: Some Rare Fans Are Upset About The Latest Switch Online Announcement

I'm kind of happy with Killer instinct! Remember guys the black cartridge for the SNES!? Epic!!!

Nintendo sold Rare because they didn't see their value. Nintendo dropped the ball and Microsoft picked it up. Wanna play Rare Replay? Get a Xbox, they're cheap!

While Rare Replay would had being a better value release, it not getting the Switch treatment is not that big a deal. Besides 40% of the games on Rare Replay aren't even that good anyways and had they did release that we wouldn't had gotten online play like we did with Killer Instinct.

That Godfather meme got me lmao.

I'm fine with Killer Instinct, Donkey Kong and Battletoads.

I think we'll get more Rare games eventually. Hopefully sooner than later.

Can't blame them. While Nintendo would get its cut, sure feels like Microsoft is leaving a large chunk of change on the table if it never releases on a Nintendo system.

Perhaps Nintendo doesn't want it, seeing Rare games more as a method to drive NSO subscriptions?

If people REALLY want Rare Replay on Switch...how about this: If ya'll (mind you, referring to those constantly asking) want it on Switch, show Nintendo & Microsoft that there is interest for it.

Companies ain't gonna do all that effort if there isn't any interest for it, especially since it requires some time & resources. Plus, I'm sure there are valid reasons for it not happening...maybe.

Rare reply would be $79.99 on Switch

An Xbox One and Rare Reply used is like $90.

It's been nine years. NINE. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. More then 3000 days. Enough time to fly to Mars and back. 6 times.

If "I would like to play Rare Reply" is still a thought that pops into your mind 9 years after the release, buy an Xbox. Period.

And when you get Rare Reply on Xbox, watch the feature that is literally on the disk about how it will likely never be re-released or ported because MS doesn't have all the rights they need and this is a one time, one console deal with dozens of partners. It's pretty insightful.

Internet: I’m upset because I’m never satisfied and want more! 😡

So yeah, I’m not surprised.

Rare replay will come some day. Until then, it’s just a few bucks on Xbox.

@Nontendo_4DS

There are multiple rights holders outside of Microsoft for not only some of the games, but freaking hilariously and ironically, the extra features include limited distribution rights that would also need to be re-negotiated.

I agree to appear in an interview for an Xbox One release in 2015 doesn't always mean you signed away the rights to have Microsoft reproduce that interview in any format across any media for all of time. Rare reply was made in such a way that it is next to impossible to port, by design. They knew that going in. They talk about it on the disk in said interviews. They brought it up when the game blew away sales expectations and everyone wanted it on PC.

Meh. XBplay is a better way of playing Rare Replay anyhow.

People are mad Nintendo didn't announce a game they don't have access too? The internet is wild.

“Some fans are upset” can be said for literally any announcement ever made for any fan base

Bruh, did you guys just use a tweet of King Goomba for your article? XDDDDDDD

@LinktotheFuture
After all, we still need Banjo-Tooie! And DK64 is also likely, as it was on Wii U Virtual Console.

Some of those tweets are blaming Nintendo for this, but it's totally up to Microsoft to release Rare Replay on Switch....

@HeadPirate I thought Rare replay was impossible to port because most of those games are running through backward compatibility.

@DanijoEX-the-Pierrot

I mean, they already did.

Microsoft made Nuts and Blots, an almost universally praised game, and Rare fans ... told them to they should die in a fire because it wasn't a 3D platformer and they BETRAYED the true fans.

Then Microsoft made Battle Toads 2020, a great game that reviewed pretty well for most outlets and if anything was TOO faithful to the original .. except with Rare fans who said that it was awful and Microsoft was awful and everyone who worked on the project should die because it wasn't the original team that made the first game.

So the problem isn't even that they haven't shown interest. It's that they have shown Microsoft time and time again that the "Rare" fandom hates them for buying Rare, will never forgive them, will never be happy with anything they do now.

If they released Rare Reply on Switch tomorrow ... Rare fans would compline about how the emulation was off by a frame or two. Or how their isn't a physical release. Or that physical release didn't have nice enough box art. It wouldn't be a positive experience for Microsoft.

I don't like to generalize people, but some fandoms as a whole are just not worth the effort. This is one of them, for sure.

I have no idea why people act like companies are obligated to make things convenient for them. There's already more than enough free entertainment to keep anyone occupied for a thousand lifetimes, but people still manage to complain whenever something that catches their interest isn't on their platform of choice. The really crazy ones are the guys who act like piracy is some kind of justified retribution against companies they don't like rather than just admitting they're cheap.

Put it this way: for less than $20 (the cost of the BOTTOM TIER of Switch Online subscriptions) you can buy and permanently OWN the COMPLETE Rare Replay collection (including GoldenEye 007) on XBox. There's simply no value in Switch Online and a drip-feed of content players can never own.

As much as I'd LOVE for it to happen, I always knew it was a long shot that Rare Replay would ever come to Switch, since about a third of the games in the collection are completely reliant on Xbox 360 backwards compatibility that's natively supported on the Xbox backend. I can't imagine they'd want to put in the extra legwork to natively port those individual Xbox 360 titles to Switch (and emulation wouldn't be an option). It would be a ton of work and resources to port NINE Xbox 360 titles over just to bundle them in a $30 package, the ROI would certainly not be worth it for them.

@fenlix

That makes sense and I can see why you might think that. It might actually be true, but not from a technical standpoint, but from a rights standpoint.

All of the games from original Xbox and up have already been ported to WUP (Windows Universal Platform), The NES, N64 and ZX Spectrum games use a emulator, again running on WUP. I actually have no idea what's running Battle Toads Arcade, but we can assume a WUP emulator of some kind.

So that's just a straight conversation, you can port WUP to Switch pretty easy (seeing environment independent APIs run on both). The problem is what the license for use of those emulators looks like. I have no idea, but I would imagine it's extremely limited and would need to be re-negotiated for any port or re-release.

@HeadPirate That's not very pirate-ty of you, HeadPirate.

People are idiots. The biggest chunk of the collection are emulated Xbox 360 titles. No informed person with their sanity intact could expect the Switch to emulate the 360 or for it to be financially worthwhile for MS to port each title to the Switch.

I heard from my nephew’s uncle that Nintendo have an amazing 360 emulator ready to go but won’t let Microsoft use it because Nintendo believes analog triggers are for the morally weak.

The importance of having actual releases of these games you can buy and own over any sort of online service where they can be taken away is an objectively good point.

The rest is whining. I'm sorry, I also want more Rare games available on Nintendo but in that case, you should be mad at Nintendo...in 2002 letting Microsoft buy them. The fact that these 5 games are on NSO from a rival console competitor is, in the grand scheme of console gaming, cool. If it isn't, just buy an Xbox or emulate it at that point. Do something other than complain on a dying platform like Twitter.

I would have preferred a release of Rare Replay but I’m glad the games are coming to Switch in some form or another.

Doesn't matter at all for me since I don't play games by Rare Replay.
The only Rare game I have just Starfox Adventures on GameCube.

I don't care if it's illogical. My feelings matter, and they're hurt!

It's not even rare replay that I care about. How they dropped the ball for me is that this was a perfect chance to get DK64, Banjo-Tooie, and Diddy Kong Racing. Like how are we this far along and we still don't have any of those games yet.

@Faucet they didn't sell anything.

We got Blast Corps today, baby! It’s a thrill just to have access to that one game again 👊

I'm a Rare Ware fan as well (particularly during the N64 days) and I too want Rare Replay on my Switch, but we should at least be glad that we're getting some of Rare's oldies.

@Arcsol Agreed. I love Banjo-Kazooie (game) myself, but I would've loved it more if Banjo-Tooie and Donkey Kong 64 were at the same table to complete my triple-pack of N64 collectathons.

A lot of rare replay isn’t gonna come over because it would require a port of games that use xbox 360/arcade emulation. Like the only way that is happening is if Nintendo offers up a Nintendo replay with emulation of their systems and maybe the blood of a goat. Not gonna happen. If rare replay couldn’t be bothered to use native ports on Xbox systems who the heck thinks they will make a port to a rival company? Nintendo has in house emulators for its systems so it makes sense that MS strike a deal for some of its IPs that ran on those systems.

Consumers just think everything is a press of a button or otherwise they throw around the brainless complaints that companies are “lazy” or “hates money”. If it is that serious buy an xbox and rare replay. Some folks are never happy.

I was playing Penny's Big Breakaway, what about Rare now?

@Deviant-Dork Nintendo owned 49% of the stock issued by Rare. They stopped providing resources and money to Rare then sold their shares. Nintendo sold Rare. Rare looked for buyers to continue as a game developer. Activision made a offer Microsoft made a better one. https://www.ign.com/articles/2002/09/20/official-nintendo-ends-relationship-with-rare

Fans are upset, more news at 6.

Buy an Xbox only for it to get the Red Ring of Death shortly after some play time, essentially becoming a paperweight? I think not!

@Porky That problem were fixed in year 2007 and NEVER happened ever again.

Talk about being 17 years late to the news. LOL

If people still haven't bought Rare Replay 9 years after release, they don't care about it at all.

If we could buy the individual titles outside of NSO I wouldn’t care. But seeing as a subscription is needed it bothers me. In fact the whole presentation outside of SMT 5V was a let down. (Epic Mickey? Why not Disney Afternoon Collection?)

@HeadPirate I'd have no problem with the extras being cut.

Perhaps a Nintendo-based version of Rare Replay is more feasible, those games are what I'd be after anyways.

@Nontendo_4DS

Well then you don't want Rare Reply

You want a bundle of games on sale.

That's a thing that happens, so ... good news?

@Ryu_Niiyama Exactly. Every single game in Rare Replay is standalone games.
Clicking a button to make Xbox 360 games run on Switch is sadly what kids thinks today.
Kids nowadays have no clue about how technology works,

And you are right about that Rare Replay is a sloppy non effort release on Xbox One.
It's basically a quick hack as it would require too much work to port the games to Xbox.

Kids from the past would have known Switch is too weak to emulate Xbox 360 and Xbox 2001.

I bought it 9 years ago, and weren't one of those who waited for a port to Wii U, Switch... Switch 2, Switch 3, 4,5,6...

@HeadPirate i had no idea the rare community was like this, ive seriously never seen it before so i just assumed they were kind of dead like fzero or starfox

So much whinning. I'm grateful we are getting games full stop because seeing other consoles first party games on another system is rare (no pun intended.) And no doubt there will be more games coming in the future. Can't rule out a collection further down the line. I dunno, this just sounds like spoilt kids wanting everything, now!

I also hate these subscription services and wanna buy N64 games on Switch. Rare Replay would be ideal. Why not offer both!!!!!

@Arcsol I want to buy those games, not locking them behind a subscription that will be gone one day

I’m just bummed that Blast Corps isn’t a standalone purchase, best I can see. Would like that on a portable console as an outright purchase.

As an owner of both Xbox and Switch, I’d note that Nintendo having the Donkey Kong Games means they have access to some of Rares most important games which aren’t available on Xbox, so it does go both ways. The Goldeneye release was odd, but Nintendo got online multiplayer out of that which Xbox also didn’t get.

So there’s some give and take there.

@Faucet Nintendo didn’t “sell” Rare, they didn’t own them in the first place. But yes, they definitely should have bought them when they still had the chance.

@GrailUK exactly, there are some great games coming to NSO online from RARE and there's no reason why more won't come. If people are that bothered about RARE Replay (which is an amazing collection) then go buy an old Xbox One

@SirKif https://www.ign.com/articles/2002/09/20/official-nintendo-ends-relationship-with-rare

@HeadPirate sadly there seem to be some crazy idiots in most fandoms. As a long time RARE fan myself, I can't say I cared for Nuts and Bolts but Battletoads was fun and I loved their new IP in Viva Pinata and Sea of Thieves

Vimms Lair welcomes you all

I have no sympathy for these people. Just buy an Xbox. Your loss if you miss out.

FOMO is such a weird thing to me. But this goes beyond that. Games in a compilation that gives you some more comfort to be able to play all these games would be nice to have, sure. But as stated in the comment above me, just buy an Xbox if you're so keen on getting it. Or better yet, play it on the original system, if possible, or otherwise, emulate it.

Personally, I'm happy with Killer Instinct and maybe I'll give Snake Rattle 'n Roll a chance.

Such moaning over something never promised to release at all.
-Nintendo don't decide what games Microsoft puts on switch.
-Also Rare Replay is a bit of a mess of backwards compatibility with older xbox titles rather than one game, wouldn't be easily ported.

• Nintendo owed shares in Rare back in the past but it never owned them or had a majority.
  get a cheap Xbone if you must play them . The games dirt cheap.

Is it really worth an article if it's just about a few Twitter posts with 0 (!), 5, 8 and 11 likes?

Killer Instinct is all that matters.

Typical, lot of complaining about things they want while not caring about what they already have.

Nintendo life saw some easy clicks i guess.... Guys,... we know people don't like the conceptof nso.. but that is the proposition you're getting... i would pay 60 quid for some rare ports... and this way people can discover some rare games easilty... and if they really like them get an xbox one...

I managed to get an xbox at Christmas and first thing I downloaded was Rare Replay. Since that day, I've only played Perfect Dark.

@Arcsol In DK64 and DKRs case, they would have to get clearance from Microsoft as both of those games contain Rare properties in some manner (A Jetpac rom and Banjo+ Conker respectively). That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo have or tried to approach them for NSO

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!!!

So many reasonable takes in here, its nice to see. Seriously. Rare replay runs on the current X/S systems, just get one of those. rare hasn't been a nintendo second party in 22 years. its absolutely insane this is still happening, why is it such a terrible thing to have an xbox for something you want.

@HeadPirate you have an incredible voice of reason.

If Microsoft wanted to make money, they would have released Rare Replay on Switch for sure. It seems that's not what they want... Oh well.

The game would kill some good ~40GB on Switch, it's not even practical to have it digitally.

I just need Diddy Kong Racing. That is all…

@Faucet In fairness to Nintendo, Rare had their time. Their record under XBox is quite thin next to their Nintendo days. We’re not clambering for their new stuff.

Excuse me, I'm gonna go play Killer Instinct while those dorks complain, cry and make stupid memes on X.

Don't worry, after years of drop feeds we'll have 76% of the rare replay catalogue by 2030

I don't know. I do feel that Rare Replay (or at least some kind of Rare collection) would be possible on the Switch, but that Nintendo and anyone else involved (MS?) would rather use their library to drip feed releases to push this overpriced Nintendo Online and Expansion subscription programme. So yeah, I am not going to apologise for the fact that I am not a big fan of that, as a consumer.

No, I don't cry about it. No, I don't run over to Twitter to moan. But are these titles a little disappointing? Perhaps. Would I rather pay £35 per year in order to play a small handful of Rare titles that get drip fed to us or would I rather they would just release Rare Replay or some kind of collection that I can own and play? The latter please. Not sure why that makes anyone a bad person or whatever issue some people seem to have with it.

There’s a load of Xbox/360 games on there that would need porting…it’d be a nightmare. They’re only on the Xbox version because they have the emulators set up for them.

A version with all the Nintendo era releases would be nice (plus the DK games) but if Nintendo can just use them to bolster their online service I can see why they’d encourage putting them on there instead

These fans are really dumb, most of the 360 games in Rare Replay are emulated which would not work on the Switch. It is buggy enough on the Xbox One.

@HeadPirate Nuts & Bolts wasn't universally praised at all. It was rated positively for the most part though.

They're acting like spoiled children.

@Faucet,

Yes because Rare have been so prolofic ever since Nintendo dropped them, I would say Nintendo dodged a huge bullet with this one.

Hopefully Viva Pinata 1 & 2 are ported. They’re up there with Rare’s best and extremely Nintendo-like.

@Reprise exactly this. Most people here would be happy with a Rare Replay Nintendo edition which would include all the other games released by Rare on Nintendo platforms, even without the Xbox 360 games. The fact that the X360 games would be difficult to port is irrelevant because they wouldn't be necessary. But it's not going to happen anyway.

Of all the things to be mad about...

Rare replay might be something that eventually comes to Switch. Nintendo has a long history with Rare and it would make sense, but maybe Nintendo prefers to have the games come out on their Online service instead? That way it’s enticing for players to sign up, and then they don’t have to drop ALL those Rare games into the service at once. They can sprinkle them in here and there and players feel like they are getting something. I have Rare replay on my Xbox and I love it. I understand why switch players want it, but it could be a decision between Nintendo and Xbox to put them into the online service instead.

I'm fine with it coming out little by little. Haven't got time to play all the NSO games I want to play anyway. Just glad these games are playable on a Nintendo console again (legally) in some form.

@betterman Yeah, exactly. I would not be expecting the exact same version of 'Rare Replay'. As you said, a special Nintendo edition would be nice and I would have said it would be something that is fairly likely to have happened if Nintendo wasn't trying to push the Online Service and Expansion pretty hard. I get it, from a business perspective they make a lot of money from the annual subscription and to push it hard, they need a strong selling point. These old games and Rare games in particular appearing on a Nintendo platform for the first time in decades is that strong selling point. It probably gains them a ton of subscriptions. But it still sucks as a customer. Oh well.

@heisnbrg
Yeah i feel while there are some legit talking points to be had about things like that tweet from the "bring back banjo" guy about the idea of games being locked to a service (especially after the whole ubisoft "gamers should feel comfortable with not owning their games" thing) a lot of the time these kinds of discussions just end up as generalisations rather than points which have been made

as @Alpha008 mentioned literally any announcement with pretty much any fanbase will have some fans unhappy. after all a fanbase is made up of many individuals and not some collective entity like it feels as if they are treated at times.

I do wish Rare Replay could have been ported. But now I just need Diddy Kong Racing. But whilst MarioKart is still going strong. I doubt they will ever release it

'Some Fans'... You mean all Rare fans who have only a Switch want it on Switch.

No doubt Nintendo asked Microsoft to not release a Nintendo Edition so they could drip feed them on the online service instead.

Microsoft still gets money, so do Nintendo so they both win. Unfortunately, we don't.

I'm not buying an xbox just for it though.

Rare Replay coming to other systems really would be great.

I have better ways of playing all my retro games in one place at this point, but it would be nice to see Diddy Kong Racing get a port to NSO.

@Reprise
sadly it can feel like a lot of critical discussions can get lumped together as "crying" or "whining" or other similar aspects.

as you mentioned someone being disappointed about an aspect of something doesn't mean that they are going to twitter to throw a tantrum and it does feel unfortunate that some of the more extreme reactions were the ones showcased and discussed (though i still think the tweet from that "bring back banjo" guy makes a good point about subscription-only content)

Rare Replay does not have Battletoads in Battlemaniacs included. We got that at least. So... behind every cloud... yeah.

I have Rare Replay on XBox, I’ve had it for years. The problem is, I don’t usually get an opportunity to play on the TV because the kids are using it. Besides, I like playing my switch more. As far as I’m concerned, those are two legitimate reasons to want Rare Replay on Switch. Maybe we won’t get it, but it’s still ok to want it.

I'm a Rare fan, grew up with Banjo Tooie, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark.
I'm not complaining. I'm getting my money's worth with the NSO.
Played Blast Corps for the first time ever yesterday and I have to say it was a ....blast.
Stop making cheap articles because a few nobodies on X are crying.

@Toastmaster Never say never.

@WalterHW Still own it. Came with a soundtrack cd as well

Doesn't this potentially mean more Rare is on the way. That's okay with me. A cartridge with all of them together would have been sweet but I'm personally okay with it being released this way. Some tweeters don't understand it's a Rare decision more than a Nintendo decision how many come to the Switch at once

There’s only like 5 more Rareware games of “value” left for Nintendo to get. That being Conker, Perfect Dark, Banjo Tooie, Killer Instinct Gold and one that even MS will never get their hands on Diddy Kong Racing.
Just a matter of time, imo.

@Heartless666 Nintendo didn't wanna own Rare because they started to have way too long development times at end of N64, and i don't think Nintendo believed much in their future games.

Somehow Nintendo kept Retro Studios who is even slower than Rare at making games.
Microsoft were willing to fund Rare even if they spent years to make one game and they still fund them after 23 years.

Rare had only one mega success after all this time.
"Sea of Thieves".

@larryisaman Rare Replay cost only 30 bucks on release, and probably the main reason why they emulated everything.

Porting all 30 games would be way too much work, and there is no way they are gonna port them now since the Anniversary were 9 years ago.
Rare's 40th Anniversary is in 2025, but i doubt there will be a new collection as times changed.

Microsoft might put some more old Rare games on Game Pass to celebrate and that's it.

Since when did this site get infiltrated by Xbox fans? You guys know this is a Nintendo site, right? Pure Xbox is that way.

Anyway, for all of you people saying "just buy an Xbox!", I refuse to play Banjo-Kazooie on a Microsoft system because it doesn't belong there. It was made as an N64 exclusive first and foremost, and it will forever have a stronger association with Nintendo than Microsoft.

And no, Nintendo Switch Online is not an option. Call me old fashioned, but I actually like to have some kind of ownership over my games.

Bringing Rare Replay to the Switch is completely on Microsoft. Talk to them. I'm sure Nintendo wouldn't turn it away if that's they wanted to do.

Had no idea people were so fed up with Nintendo-exclusive gamers wanting Rare Replay. Pretty bizarre passion behind much of the above frustration. I'll join the growing chorus that's saying hard pass on purchasing an X-Box.

Entitlement.

I would love to see Rare Replay on switch, but expecting it and then being disappointed is just pure entitlement. Nobody owes us anything.

I'm actually surprised some Rare-developed games are on the switch. And this is a really nice drop, too. All of these are bangers. Even Snake, Rattle and Roll is a darn good time once one gets the controls down.

Also, holy cow, the specials and kombos are easy to pull off in Killer Instinct. I forgot how well that game played. Makes Mortal Kombat feel so stiff by comparison.

Just bring Banjo-Kazooie/Banjo-Tooie to Switch, not on a subscription service, but in buyable options.

Doubt the Switch could run the 360/XB games emulated, MS would need to port them all and that would be far too expensive. For 64 & older, it would cabibalise Nintendo’s online service

@Faucet Nintendo didn't own Rare, I know.
Just like Disney doesn't own Epic.

@Nalverus

Thanks for the shout out. I'll try to keep it up.

@Faucet Not true. Nintendo owned 49% but was obligated to buy the business outright after a certain point, or alternatively they’d have to sell the shares to a buyer.

When the time came to buy, they requested a 2 year extension. The Stampers agreed. When that 2 year had passed, they requested another 2 year extension and the Stampers refused.

Nintendo passed on the option to buy fully. So Rare sought a new buyer. And ended up picking Microsoft over Activision

@Dringo generally speaking publicly traded company's cannot force a shareholder to sell. The shareholder owns a piece of that company in Nintendo's case 49% of Rare. They still,"sold","their"owned portion of the company. In 2001 Rare represented 2% of Nintendo's revenue and in 2002 they represented 1%. Not sure what you are arguing. Or even trying to say.

They say you can't please everyone, and right now all of those people are complaining about this on Twitter.

They added stuff to a subscription service you probably already have, for no extra cost. Appreciate something.

As a longtime fan of Rare and the owner of a Switch with NSO + Expansion, a Banjo-Kazooie amiibo, the Donkey Kong Country trilogy and Donkey Kong 64 on my Wii U, the Donkey Kong Land trilogy on my 3DS, Banjo-Kazooie: Grunty's Revenge, Banjo-Pilot, the GBA version of Donkey Kong Country 2, Diddy Kong Racing DS, the N64 versions of Banjo-Tooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, GoldenEye 007, Blast Corps, the Japanese version of Diddy Kong Racing and the American and Japanese versions of Banjo-Kazooie and Donkey Kong 64, I'm one of those who wants Rare Replay on Switch, but I'm not gonna act like Nintendo, Microsoft or even Rare themselves owe me those games.

They will drip feed them likely to fill out space on the service throughout the year makes sense. They are mostly going for NES/SNES/N64 anyway, maybe GBA, but not Xbox/360 on there that isn't happening. Nor do people maybe care for those games?

So many people in interviews, source code to uncover, emulators to rework for Switch. People have no idea what Rare Replay took to make. It's not just NES Remix and a bunch of games and challenges it's that on top of interviews, many games for so many systems. Old PCs like the ZX Spectrum, NES, SNES, N64, OG Xbox and 360 (the OG Xbox titles of Grabbed by the Ghoulies and more are not part of the Xbox One/Series back compat either only the 360 titles are so they are part of Rare Replay itself not the Rare Replay versions, I have both the Rare Replay and disk versions of the 360 games to compare in my Apps and Games group I have of 360 titles).

Since when do Nintendo fans care about ZX Spectrum games (not likely the ones people will focus on of course but they are really good games), and any other non-Nintendo, James Bond or Mickey Speedway USA or other non licensed Rare titles? Probably many but do people know how much is actually in Rare Replay past the Rare studio name or just the NES/SNES/N64 titles and actually look at any of the games past those?

People have Banjo on there maybe Conker. Yes NSO as a service has a use by date but if they want them that bad, get an N64, get an Xbox One or get an emulator/handheld if they are that desperate. I get supporting official methods but I mean options are options.

People got the DK and others on Wii U or 3DS, or Wii, if they didn't that's on them. Nintendo gave people the chance. Subscription future it is. If they want the games play them on the service. I got DK64 on Wii U. I didn't get all Nintendo games, I didn't want to waste that much money or cared for all the IPs I just got what I could. I'm willing to deal with no access to some things, businesses do what they can they can't have things around forever whenever a customer changes their minds.

Microsoft and Rare don't owe anyone those games. Like Sakurai said get an Xbox One. Or players can get the old consoles on the second hand market and the games if they want to go that way. Oh but it has to be on Switch, then Switch 2, then 3, then 4. Yeah right people. Every time it's new or in their hands and something moves on people complain. Or barely use it when it given to them anyways depending on how hyped, underwhelmed or content they are. IT varies from person to person.

Is having it on Switch great yes but that's a lot of source code, a lot of scaling it to the system, a lot of games people will barely play lets be honest.

People want them because of the studio name not because they REALLY want to play them. Some sure have nostalgia or are really fun games (I know I've enjoyed many Atari, Rare Replay, Ultimate NES Remix, Genesis collection of the few I've bought and never owned the consoles or PCs of the past they were for) but past that it's brand name for most people I bet.

Like many of their nostalgic favourite IPs it's because of the characters or the brand, or how aged/hyped, they don't actually care to play them for long and the company wastes their money. Why bother dealing with customers like that.

Sure people got an Xbox One for it but how many actually cared past Banjo/Perfect Dark/Jet Force really? I played many of the spectrum and other games first, the challenges, and the other games over time and for the first time. But sure as I had no Nintendo console from NES-N64, no Spectrum. I enjoy playing the collection from time to time alongside Sunset Overdrive, ReCore or any third parties I have for the console/first parties I didn't mind experiencing.

Did people really care about Kameo? Did they Nuts and Bolts? Grabbed By The Ghoulies? Perfect Dark Zero? If people say the Rare Microsoft era was bad was it the games or was it because it was on Xbox console? I think they are fine games honestly, some ups and downs but some fair ideas, some not.

Most if not all the Rare titles they can offer are non-Nintendo titles some people remember likely from NES/SNES/N64.

Did many of them play the other games on the OG Xbox/360 at all? They are 2002-2008 titles pretty sure and the rest is just whatever leftover NES-N64/arcade titles.

Or the GBA games like Grunty's Revenge, Mr Pants and so on.

@Toastmaster Even slower yes but how many products has Nintendo cancelled that Retro can't make? Wii, Wii U especially. That also answers a lot of questions as to why Retro are so slow is they have to abandon their own projects for whatever DK/Metroid titles they make.

What game did they have planned before Prime 4 was moved over to them or what assistance work like Monolith does with assistance alongside Xenoblade games for the open world titles. No clue, maybe it's been made public what Retro was making before Prime 4 reworking started but I don't know.

It may be slow but their quality and what Nintendo expects also happen. It's why they end up to such quality standards by fans and I can see why too enjoying them with no nostalgia, no expectations but being very impressed by them but also sad at how many games they couldn't make either with many prototypes cut off from GameCube to Wii U, I mean certain ones were before Prime 1 let alone others with a spin on some IPs of Starfox, Metroid, Zelda and other original ideas during Wii and Wii U.

Project Hammer was cancelled and we have mostly Mario and DK puzzle games from that US Nintendo studio these days. They made the Wave Race/1080 titles prior.

Namco US did Killswitch the push for cover based shooters in 2003, then Gears/Uncharted popularised the mechanics in 2007. I can't even remember what they did otherwise but some type of other games or maybe assistance or maybe the studio doesn't exist anymore.

Rare I think it was fair. The quality sure changed for sure but at the same time Starfox Adventures while a fair game. Retro got put with more DK/Metroid then their own original titles. Rare didn't have that. You had the odd DK titles sure but still if we didn't see Banjo, Conker, Blast Corp, Killer Instinct, many of the SNES titles it would be just Nintendo IP filling like Retro ends up with.

Hardware changes over time too can also be a factor, what ideas they have.

Possibly. Who knows for sure.

@Faucet It was part of the share agreement from the start. Nintendo bought the shares with a full purchase option that they didn’t exercise. It’s unusual that the owners of the company are prohibited to sell it to someone because of a minority share holder.

This is all in the official internal Rare magazine released in 2017 (which I wrote)

@Dringo hey that's really cool. Cheers to you!🍻

I'm stoked to have these 5 games be on the NSO!! Let's not quibble about this.

I'm surprised that Microsoft is still so committed to Rare. The company is no longer worth anything. Even if they constantly brag about Sea of Thivies being a success. Which I personally very much doubt as I hardly hear anyone talking about it on the internet. I mean, how long has it been since Everwild was announced? We haven't heard anything about it in years.

MS gives Nintendo players their games, and ppl complain its not good enough lol sheesh

I want Conkers Bad Fur Day, Danky Kang 64 and Diddy Kang Racing

I would also Welcome Perfect Dark as well. Shoot give us the remaster of Perfect Dark

@WalterHW I tried but it looks horribly wrong in my opinion...visually I mean. The pixel are just....blugh

When even DK Vine is happy, it's proof that the rest of the Donkey Kong fanbase need to stopbeing so... pathetic and antagonistic.

@Shiro28 I didn't try it yet but the visuals are not a problem for me. I'm old school. I know the game would still hold up in 2024.

What all these people complaining need to understand is that Microsoft OWNS most, if not all, of the Rare catalog. And Microsoft is one of Nintendo's competitors.

The fact that we are getting ANY of these games should be celebrated. Also, the Rare Replay compilation didn't include SNES games like Battetoads in Battlemaniacs or Killer Instinct, which we are now getting. There was a time I thought I would never see a Killer Instinct game on a Nintendo system ever again, so it's a pleasant surprise for me.

There are plenty of things to complain about the Switch Online service. Such as the lack of games that were developed and/or published by Nintendo that SHOULD be there (like Mother 3 finally getting localized, Super Mario Land 1 for the Game Boy, BS The Legend of Zelda, etc ). But whatever we can get from Rare needs to be appreciated.

Microsoft and Nintendo managed to get GoldenEye onto the Switch.

People should show a bit more gratitude and quit their moaning.

It's constant... "I want all the games now" when our shared reality is a huge stack of backlogged games we never play.

It's the same with the TP/WW argument. We just got TotK - we now have a minimum of 5 years before a new 3D Zelda is even going to be revealed. Why would anyone want TP/WW as a double pack now?! Save them for the long 5 year wait we've just embarked on!

Diddy Kong Racing? Save it for when we don't have 96 Mario Kart courses to play?

Perfect Dark? Go finish GoldenEye on 00 Agent. We all know you haven't managed it yet!

@WalterHW I'm old school as well, and normally 16bit pixels don't bother. But I don't know, there's something on the game that I don't quite like and I find disgusting. Also, I wish it could have been the Arcade port as well

Personally I would love to see Banjo Tooie, Donkey Kong 64 or Diddy Kong Racing. Rare Replay would be great as I would have some solace that we may be able to keep these games in a post-online world.

However, the Switch has such as collosal library and NSO is so generous that I could probably play every day until the online shuts down and still not have finished everything I wanted to try. I have the original hardware still, so if I'm hankering that's not a problem either. I'll take the announcements as they come!

so overdramatic🤫