PlayStation Boss Doesn't Think Call Of Duty Appeals To Nintendo's Core Audience

I will buy cod day one on whatever Nintendo system they release it on.

Sony, Sony. Always a snoot towards Nintendo😒

Keep Nintendo's name out of your MF-ing mouth.
Still don't know why Sony is so scared. They've been releasing quality titles and even have some IPs they are sleeping on.

I'm not the target audience. I guess I was the right age range when CoD4 came out in competition to Halo 3, but I gave the series its due diligence, beat it on their hardest mode, and never went back as it nor its multiplayer never gelled with me.

So that said, in the most professional way possible....dude, get over it, people have different tastes, many seemingly contradictory. On Nintendo's end alone my mind immediately jumps to Animal Crossing and Nu Doom fans crossing over and falling in love with each other just over their shared release date. There is no golden rule that liking one genre bans you from liking others, and the more available the game is to more hands the more folks can figure out for themselves if it's a fit for them or not. It's not going to affect either Nintendo or Xbox's brand recognition in the slightest. Because if it was, it was going to way back when I bought the BioShock collection again on Switch years ago.

He's right. Call of Duty won't be popular on Nintendo platforms considering what's going on Activision Blizzard right now..

I want to spray Jim Ryan with a spray bottle full of Fanta. (I don’t like him)

You played one military themed fps You've played them all. Not a big loss to me. However, those who want cod on the go, I wish you all luck in getting what you want.

I hate this sc*mbag, like who does he think he is to tell what people like and don’t like, I hope the activision deal with Microsoft goes through just to trigger his insecure a*s…

I still have no interest in Call of Duty, regardless of platform. Also, Nintendo fans do play more than just Mario and Zelda.

Has there been a Nintendo version COD that was close to/equal to the ones on other systems and that came out same day and date?

If Ryan can say yes then I’ll give him a point but I am fairly certain that even during the game cube era Nintendo was snubbed for certain genres. Doesn’t mean folks don’t want to play. Means they weren’t allowed to so (literally
the reason sony paid for either timed exclusives or marketing exclusives) they went elsewhere. And if they went elsewhere there is no way for sales numbers to know that a person owns multiple systems.

When I buy a PS5 game, Sony has no clue my switch library is 90 times the size of my PS5 one. To Sony at that time I am their core audience. And that I am willing to buy games I can’t get on Nintendo systems elsewhere actually means that a member of Nintendo’s core audience does like those games but can’t get them on Nintendo. Is Ryan suggesting I should stop buying PS games?

I swear this nonsense is making me a bit apathetic towards my PS5 and how much support I give Sony. I’m really about to make it a pure exclusives box.

https://gamerant.com/call-of-duty-games-nintendo-consoles-history/

I couldn't give a damn about call of Duty or any other military themed game regardless of platform. I do like Metal gear but that's pretty far from anything realistic. Nintendo fans do buy their systems for exclusive games that aren't just Mario and zelda. i just like my gaming experiences to be more fantasy based than playing stuff that strives for realism. If i wanted that i wouldn't be gaming. I'm the same with movies too mostly. If it's possible to be based on reality i usually have little to no interest. i game to escape from reality.

I only play kids games on both PlayStation and Nintendo machines.

Ironically for me I own one COD game that didn’t come with a GPU purchase. And it’s for the WiiU (and yes I have a ps4, xbone and gaming PC). I game where I have fun.

Note to Jim Ryan, nobody was asking for Call of Duty on Nintendo system anyways. Also Microsoft is not taking away Call of Duty from PlayStation, it is still going to be on there for several more gens as long as Sony is making consoles. This is dude is literally complaining about nothing.

I'll buy COD on Switch

This is the same Pratt that thought his own audience didn't care for older games or backwards compatibility. That they wanted new games only.

He has no idea on talking about other audiences when he by far get's his own audience wrong.

i mean hes not WRONG but it does feel a little small-minded

@Ryu_Niiyama The last time I bought a Call of Duty game was Black Ops II for Wii U and that was by far the best version of the game. If Activision bothered to give Nintendo consoles a decent game with consistency these arguments would become even further moot.

I don't think people are buying Switch to play Call of Duty but currently having the largest install base of all current consoles i don't think it will sell badly neither (as long it's a good port).

So in fairness, Japan generally REALLY doesn't like modern war games (I WONDER WHY) ... so COD is not big in Japan, where Nintendo's "core" base is. A few COD games didn't even see release in Japan because it wasn't worth it to edit out any references to nukes being used ... something they require for some reason.

But also ... Nintendo is kinda big world wide! I like COD. I like Mario. I think you're going to see a lot of people outside Japan say the same thing. Of the 90 million active switch systems in '22, only 20 million were in Japan.

I really hope this trial goes on for months. Waking up every day to see Sony set a new bar for "dumbest thing ever said about video games" is quickly becoming the highpoint of my day.

As much as I am not a fan of MS buying Activision, these FTC lawyers just sound like Sony lawyers. They must be getting some ...funding.

COD games were million sellers on the Wii despite being lesser versions and on a console with a far more casual audience than the switch. It will probably not sell as well as on other platforms but it will still make big profits.

I feel bad for all the developers who will have to put COD on Switch for the sake of Microsoft getting a merger through, I imagine PS4/XBO is already a pain in the ass.

@Madao

The FTC lawyer ARE Sony lawyers. That's how the FTC works. They only step in to STOP acquisitions. Given Sony is the only party that is really opposed to the deal, the FTC is 100% arguing the same points as Sony. Like they are supposed to.

They are getting funding ... from US tax payers.

I want some switch hd collections of the modern warfare games 🤷‍♂️

he's not entirely wrong, especially when i grew up hearing fans preach "gameplay over graphics" and "all cod games are the same" . there was a point where it was cool to hate cod and better to play "real" games

that said, still incredibly petty to dismiss the games all together. he's trying so hard to convince us cod on switch is a bad idea when its just to cover sonys backend

Idk, I'll readily concede that people can like multiple genres and may have overlap in interests between Zelda and COD. But FPS are typically better as multi-player, and Nintendo online stuff can have mixed performance, to be generous.

130M users I wonder if any of them will like CoD?
This lawsuit has done one thing: Rocketed Jim Ryan to the very top of most dislikable gaming suits.

@Cashews Exactly

I’m sure it would be as profitable on the Switch as it was on the Wii. Would I get the new COD on Switch? Probably not, but I’d sure would buy Black Ops day one.

Maybe on a switch 2, with minimum steamdeck specs, can run it on 30fps, i dont see it happening on the current switch.

Likely true. Nintendo is more orientated towards family games, while those predisposed to adult games, especially violent shooters, would play on other systems. One key difference in this legal dispute is the Switch is so popular, so you could easily see COD selling well enough to justify a version.

Interesting that a lot of commentors are agreeing. A lot of Nintendo fans love Call of Duty. The issue is for several console generations Nintendo lacked core games aimed at those looking for mature content. Consequently these individuals either become a ninty-sony console owner, ninty-xbox owner, or they leave Nintendo altogether and demand that Nintendo go 3rd party.

Edit: Nintendo may be "family friendly" but families mature and start to develop different gaming tastes.

I mean, he's not wrong?

Title is pretty clickbaity but the point is that at the end of the day, majority of Nintendo owners are mostly focused on 1st party games. Of course there's still those who'd want a CoD on Switch or whatever is Nintendo's next hardware, though Nintendo themselves need to work on their online service first before a new CoD comes to their own system.

Anyway, I'd rather that Sony and MS keep Nintendo off their talks about this whole acquisition BS if they consider them a non-competitor

@WaffleBoat hey Fanta is way too good to use on him (I drink Fanta orange)! spray him with swamp water. That will be better.

But yeah this guy sounds like a giant jerk who categorize Nintendo fans as preferring more cartoony/animesque games.

Of course its true and anyone disagreeing is a fanboy themselves. If it wasn't true there’d already be a COD on the switch, you think Activision didn't already do market research for the biggest install base?

Funny they say that because currently Zelda ToTK is outselling every other game LOL

This case has been a riot, the FTC have shown they have a very poor case and have a poor understanding about the gaming industry, even their ones supposedly in support of the deal falling through aren’t on their side and it’s shown that Sony aren’t these great “for the players” company like they themselves and others make them out to be (no AAA company is really).

Phil admitted to Xbox “losing the console war” and “being in 3rd place”. The FTC and to a lesser extent Sony, are simply trying to make Nintendo a non-factor in this case.
With Nintendo out of the way it makes for a stronger argument of the Activision buyout as anti-competitive deal, being a Xbox v PS situation.

But ol’Jimmy boy has already gone on the record that he doesn’t believe that exclusivity isn’t anti-competitive, as that would be be hypocritical of Sony to say in the first place and that Sony aren’t actually worried that they won’t get future versions of CoD.

The only “threat” of the buyout that Sony have said, is that Activision would no longer receive early dev-kits for future consoles, which is understandable. Just means no launch day CoD on PS6.

Whether or not there is truth to Jim’s words and whether you play the games or not, the deal definitely benefits Nintendo’s and gamers alike and it really has nothing to do with Sony and nor should it.

It really looks like this case will end in Microsoft’s favour.

Could sony act any more like whiny children. Also, does anyone know why the ftc has been so blatantly pro Sony?

It’s kind of a silly argument though because this applies to plenty of audiences beyond Nintendo. Because 1) The big gamers will be interested in a multitude of games from a multitude of genres. Plenty of Zelda players are also COD players and it’s silly to pretend that isn’t the case.

But also more importantly 2) there are already lots of console gamers that COD doesn’t appeal to. If you’re a big fan of racing games, fighting games, third-person action games, or whatever, you might not be interested in a first person shooter.

The only reason Nintendo isn’t seen as a console for shooters is because it doesn’t have them. Same goes both ways. X Box and PlayStation owners would be playing Mario and Zelda if they could lol.

I’d be curious how COD would do on Switch. I know it came out on Wii U, but considering how that system didn’t sell very well, I wouldn’t say it’s a good indicator of whether or not the Nintendo audience would play COD if it was available to them.

You know, Nintendo's audience who play actually good games.

he is 100% right..cod does not appeal to nintendo fans..just like jrpg does not appeal to xbox fans..

Aside from Microsofts supposed 10 year commitment, I really don’t see how Nintendo is relevant in this spat.

To quote myself from a previous article:

"When Nintendo systems don't sell as well as other consoles (N64, GameCube, Wii U) they are direct competitors, but when they sell much better than competing consoles (Gameboy, DS, 3DS, Wii, Switch) they aren't even in the running? Uh huh. Y'all smell that? Smells like BS to me. Just like Sony's momentum chart."

I don't like the superiority complex Sony has regained from the PS4 era. I was hopeful they dropped that after the early failures of the PS3. I think a large part of the problem is that people are too quick to forgive Sony for their f-ups, but they continue to drag Nintendo and Microsoft for theirs.

Yeah, that’s pretty much a given.

For me at least, yeah, he's kinda right. I'm 100% a Nintendo gamer so far in the console market this generation (I have a PS4 & XBone that I haven't touched in 2 years, and no real urge to buy a PS5 or Series X just yet).

Nowadays, I mostly want indie games, and cute and colourful fun adventures, platformers, arcade style games... AAA online focused games are not my thing, whatsoever, except occasional silly fun with friends online playing something like Cards against Humanity or a weird comedy indie game, or working together on a joint build in Minecraft or something chill.

Its a shame, during the birth of the genre, I was REALLY into FPS games. Doom 1-3, Duke Nukem 3d, Rise of the Triad, Quake 1-3, Unreal, Serious Sam, Halflife 1 & 2, all some of my favourite gaming memories, and I still go back to them all sometimes. I just can't get into most modern ones, not sure exactly when & how they lost me.

I used to enjoy the single player campaigns in COD games. Over time, they got shorter and less fun and more effort was clearly put into the multiplayer, and I hate having racism and sexism shouted into my ears by edglord 8 year olds who have way better reactions than me and make me feel useless! lol.

I think its a combination of the overemphasis of online multiplayer, plus the graphics/gore getting more realistic, and the growing prevalence of real life news stories about war and political corruption that just turned me off from the genre.

HOWEVER. Screw this guy. Just because I don't want a particular game doesn't mean I don't want the games available on my favourite system. The wider variety of games available to the most gamers is always a good thing. People shouldn't gatekeep, nor stereotype. Afterall, Isabelle and Doomguy are best friends, and we can all learn from that.

I'm a Mario and Zelda fan and COD does not appeal to me. lol.

Just because they’re not trying to outspec you and see who can pump out more greyish titles doesn’t mean they’re not in competition with you.

Almost all CODs I’ve played have been on Nintendo consoles except a brief excursion during BO1 and BO2 due to tons of people I know wanting to play together on Xbox Live. That leaves me with Finest Hour on GC, MW1 (ahem, the original MW1, that is) on Wii and DS, and WaW on Wii. Great times, especially with WaW, even despite us getting left out of zombies mode.

I also buy most Nintendo first party releases and have 600+ hours in Splatoon 3, so I guess that makes me the imaginary person Sony’s thinking of.

@acgp well said, I only own a Switch for the Nintendo exclusives, I play Playstation for everything else.

This is too funny. An argument over nothing…. A lot of hot air being spewed out and oxygen wasted for it. Smh.

To generalize a 140m install base is ridiculous. At the very least there is likely 5m CoD fans amongst that group. Which would be silly to ignore, plus potential new buyers. Not to mention who doesn’t like a full fledged release of one of their favorite franchises being portable?

The main 2 reasons Nintendo players “aren’t part of the demographic”, because either the game doesn’t release on a Nintendo console or because it’s a vastly inferior version.

I’ll use Witcher as an example. That game isn’t a typical “Core Nintendo” type title, yet I guarantee it sold over a million copies on Switch. Likely 2.5m+ given the install base size. And while graphically it is an inferior version, it still runs great and is portable. In the past however, particularly during Wii era, games had to be rebuilt for the system and sometimes were a much lesser version.

Edit - Looked up the data on this, in 2019 Witcher had sold 700k copies on Switch, and at the time the game had sold 28m units globally across all platforms. It’s also worth nothing that the game released on Switch in Oct 2019, so only had a few months to gain 700k compared to the 4 years the other consoles had. Now in 2023, we know the game has sold over 50m units globally across all platforms, nearly double the amount of 2019, so it’s safe to say Switch version has sold at least 1m units by now. And considering it was the latest version to ship, it could indeed account for more of that 22m difference between 2019 and 2023. Extrapolating further, CDPR said the break down was Pc w/ 53%, PS w/26%, Switch with 11% and Xbox with 10%. If those numbers stay roughly the same then Switch accounts for 5m sales now.

To quote an old line from a movie, “if you build it (properly) they will come.”

With the Switch’s current install base vs Series S/X and Ps5 install bases, there’s a very real chance that if CoD released tomorrow with parity across the board (Minus graphical quality) then the Switch version could out sell the others. And/or have a double attach rate for those with an Xbox/Ps5 and a Switch just so they could have the game portable too. I do this often for games I love that have cross progression/play like Diablo.

Speaking of Diablo, that is what I would want more on Switch after this ActiBlizz deal….. I want D4 ported to Switch. And after playing for hours on end, im positive it’s possible to run on the system. It’s graphically superior to D3, but that can be scaled back. There’s far less going on on screen than there was for D3, so CPU shouldn’t be a bottle neck like it was for D3. But I digress. Phil if you guys get Blizz, make THIS happen.

In my opinion, I think with the switch having so many different games, that appeals to so many different players, I think it’s a little silly to say COD wouldn’t somehow.

I think Sony needs to worry about Sony, Microsoft needs to worry about making games. Nintendo's dominating right now and everyone knows it. No reason to constantly cry about it.

Again, Sony talking horsecrap so as to not show Switch as competition (being market leader without Call of Duty is a bad look for their arguement!)

Anyhoo, this happened today;

An FTC witness proposed a definition of a market that was basically just XBox X/S and Playstation 5. High end consoles type deal. The judge asked why PCs weren't included and the response was because they are more expensive. Without skipping a beat, the judge then assumed Switch must be competiton because it's the same price as the Series S. Lol. The judge was on fire yesterday at tripping up Sony.

Also, when proposed that subscription services and cloud services were a different market, the judge saw through the definition and regarded them as the same market, just a different way to pay for the same games.

Sony really are starting to crumble I fear. And I'm not saying that as a fanboy or anything, just that the 'oof' moments both were aimed in Sony's direction. The judge wasn't buying much of what was being said and Jim Ryan got cornered in questioning to the point of trying to refuse to answer a question.

This really is very silly.

With all respect, Jim Ryan has a track record of not thinking a lot of things, including but not limited to his infamous skepticism about PlayStation's own audience still caring for legacy content like PS2 titles. When it comes to Switch, other publishers have no qualms about publishing Bioshock, Borderlands, Metro, Bulletstorm, Doom, Wolfenstein, Overwatch, Sniper Elite... and chances are a lot of their target audiences have Mario and/or Zelda in their libraries as well. People can enjoy a wide variety of games and portability + gyro aiming remains a viable combo to pitch to the FPS genre enthusiasts - a combo Sony once "nintendid" on their own with remarkables like Killzone Mercenary until they threw in the towel. And elsewhere, if audiences "enjoying Mario and Zelda as opposed to CoD" are not for Sony to compete for, then who are the family appeal works like Sackboy: A Big Adventure still coming out for? Or is this meant to suggest that Ryan is losing faith in those on PlayStation, too?

But even if (hopefully) not, the whole deal still sounds like the Yakuza creator opinions all over again. I dare doubt this insistent segmentation of gamer interests can do producers much good in the long run.

This is the same guy that “believes in clear console generations” and ports half of the PS5 library to PS4. I trust nothing out of Jim Ryan’s mouth at this point, and this isn’t just hypocritical, it’s derogatory.

I suppose nintendo.did the dirty on sony all those years ago over that combined console idea and Sony still has some bitter blood towards them

Jim Ryan is right.

I have often found Mario and Zelda are popular with players of all ages, eight to eighty.

Call of Duty remains a pretty immature shooter aimed squarely at the teenager market.

On the whole, if you got into gaming because of Nintendo, you tend to want to play anythng good regardless of what system it's on. Eveyone that owns all the consoles owns a Nintendo one too. If you got into gaming because of Sony, you'll tend to be a bit snobby at anything trying to be different. If you got into gaming because of Microsoft...you probably like guns.

(/s)

Call of Duty is the McDonald's of video gaming. Mediocre, somewhat satisfying, but leaves you hungry after 3 hours.

Splatoon is so much more fun.

@HeadPirate Switch had like 120 million active Switches at the end of 2022 and 25 million in Japan.
Several CoD games sold over 500k physical copies in Japan on the PS4.

I mean he's right. I wouldn't buy CoD. I'd buy a good shooter.

@RadioHedgeFund @epicgamner @N8tiveT3ch all the thing he said is not an insult to nintendo fans.
Jim ryan said this because he thinks nintendo is another level.
Nintendo is the only one that can sell 20 million plus mario copies of the same universe.
Mario kart
mario oddesy
New Mario bros deluxe

Microsoft games don't even sell past 2 million games.
Outside of 2 games
Even there flagship game halo didn't get past 2 million on xbox alone.
Cuphead sold 3 times as much when it released on switch and ps4.

Yeah that's why Call of Duty never released on the Gamecube, DS, Wii, and Wii U...

Wait a second...

I just love this near-sighted thinking. I was super excited when BLACK-OPS 2 came to WiiU. EA has the same attitude towards the Switch. It's really sick to assume what gamers like to play and on what system they would play it on.

Online on COD will be janky as hell though. Nintendo has the worst online service so it'll be fun to see how that goes. If it has a decent story then it will sell well but I think they'll wait for a new generation Switch. I can't see one being released for this gen unless they release it at the end of it's life and then sell an "enhanced" version later on.

@Truegamer79 I totally agree. My one exception is the GTA series (which, to be fair, is so ludicrous, I'm not sure it could count as "realistic"). Outside of that, I just want to escape reality. There's more than enough reality outside my front door (and too much reality in the news). I guess that's why I have about 10 Switch games to every 1 Xbox game, and why I'll always be drawn to Nintendo - assuming they don't change their family-friendly slant any time soon.

Lol what childish comment by Sony:) Nintendo has some of the best first party games like Bayonetta, Astral Chain, Xenoblade, which are far from childish. Also, Doom Eternal was far more fun than on PlayStation for many gamers thanks to gyro controls….but I am sure the next Nintendo system will be also more powerful to better compete with more demanding main stream titles. Sony should take notice though that games are foremostly here for gameplay, and the best gameplay I found on Switch. Most Sony games I’ve been waiting for were little generic l and disappointing- like GOW Ragnarok,… many big titles seem more and more just copy and paste of their precursors and don’t offer anything really new, which pushed me lately as an more experienced gamer more toward Nintendo games.

I couldn't care less if we never saw a COD game ever again. I hope it happened for the fans however, but I like my wars to be fantasy based thank you.

I've been a Nintendo and Playstation gamer for a long time, and more recently an Xbox Series S enjoyer. On all those platforms, and over decades, COD has never appealed to me really if I'm honest. I guess I'm a bit more Nintendo than the rest, so he's a bit right.

I will never buy a Call of Duty game, but come on Sony, if you arent bothered by Nintendo don't bring them up so much.
Me thinks thou protest too much

I mean, let's be real here, he's not exactly incorrect. There's dozens of Nintendo fans on Twitter that refuse to touch other Nintendo franchise outside of Mario, Zelda and Smash Bros so like damn will they ever touch non-Nintendo IPs.

He's not wrong. If you want that type of game you're already getting it somewhere else, and I very much doubt you're going to rush to get it on Switch instead so that you can play Warzone in glorious 480p 30fps.

I mean. In my case he's not wrong. I tried some games in the past but it's just... not for me.

So Sony bosses think their "core" players want to play CoD? Bit of a slap in the face, because their actual core players want quality single player narrative experiences...

Right right right Jimbo.

Sony core Gamers also only like cinematic QTE movie games right if we are gonna go for more inaccurate generalizations like that too?

Some of these pro Jimbo commenters here going “he right” just proves my point that there are people that unironically think Nintendo gamers only play “kid games”. It’s like people are either ignorant or willfully ignore CoD or other non “kid games” that did exist in past/current Nintendo platforms that sell millions+ just so they can push obvious agenda aka “stop MS/Nintendo”

Eh whatever. It’s not like this is the first [and very likely not last] bad PR take from Jimbo.

I mean tbh... I'd say they're not wrong. A casual audience would pick it up but Nintendo "fans" would care less.

He’s right. I mean, Switch does compete with PlayStation in some regards. And obviously any product that takes up people’s time is a competitor.

But the games that sell tens of millions on PlayStation aren’t the same type of games they sell tens of millions on Xbox.

He is talking generally, of course. I’ve got both consoles and I’ll have to prioritise either Spider-Man or Mario on October 20th. But broadly speaking, Nintendo players like different things to Sony players.

FIRE!
JIM!!
RYAN!!!
🔥😡🔥

It could be fun. I was in the minority that was playing Black Ops on the Wii in between MW2 on Xbox.

All I know is I'll never play another competitive FPS with a controller that doesn't have gyro aiming. It's such a game changer, and feels all the more brilliant on Switch with the screen dead center of your movements (compared to on a screen feet away).

Yup it's true, I bough ps5 for AAA 3rd party games plus playstation 1st party games, and switch for nintendo 1st party games and small indie games.

He's right. And Sony fans only play movie games with poor gameplay. A trend that ruined Final Fantasy 16.

I've never really played the Call of Duty games, but as a lifelong Nintendo fan, I still love a good first-person shooter, such as Halo (the series that probably provides the most competition to Call of Duty in the FPS genre). I also love games like Overwatch and Destiny, and if you consider the first-person perspective outside of shooters, there's also The Elder Scrolls, especially Skyrim (which is on the Switch, in case people have forgotten).

The thing is, Nintendo's magic is that it can appeal to ALL ages, not just kids. Sony must be delusional to think that Call of Duty would not be able to gain a foothold on Nintendo, especially considering how many little kids play the game (despite the fact that they really shouldn't, considering they're too young for them; I blame the parents for allowing that).

At this point, I think Sony is just beginning to grasp at straws here. They had the perfect deal to sign on to in order to get Call of Duty to come to their platform for ten years, and they refused to play ball, thinking that "PlayStation is the best place to play games." If they get left out, that's their choice, and therefore their loss. Don't try to ruin it for everyone else.

@BlueCoolYoshi Not really surprising, though, considering Nintendo basically stabbed them in the back in the early 1990s. The PlayStation was originally going to be a CD add-on for the SNES, and Sony even revealed it at the 1991 Consumer Electronics Show.

The very next day, Nintendo announced that they secretly partnered with Philips (one of Sony's biggest competitors at the time), surprising everyone in the audience and angering Sony. As a result, Sony retooled the add-on to make it a standalone console, what we know of today as the PlayStation.

And as many of us know, the Philips CD-i was a commercial failure, with the few games based on Nintendo franchises being received very poorly, with the cutscenes from those games being used in a very mocking way, especially with the famous YouTube Poop shorts.

It was probably the biggest blunder Nintendo ever made, as not only did their deal with Philips not pan out the way they wanted it to, it created a rival in Sony with the PlayStation (which, PS3 and PS5 aside--at least, so far for the latter--has been the top-selling system for each generation since the PS1).

Like him or not he isn't really wrong here. COD is a huge part of the Playstation ecosystem whereas it's not on Nintendo platforms. It shouldn't be a shock that he doesn't want Playstation's primary competitor in control of one of the most important games on Playstation. Sure Microsoft has said they will keep COD on PS5...PS6 and beyond is still pretty murky which is why it's a bit of a big deal to Sony.

Think of it this way. What if all of all of a sudden Pokémon was in complete control of one of Nintendo's competitors and they decided that they would just stop releasing Pokémon games on Nintendo platforms? Sure it's not like Nintendo would collapse all of a sudden but they would be in danger of losing out on reliable revenue that comes in on a yearly basis. That's a big deal, and I'd bet good money Nintendo would be doing exactly what Sony is doing if that was the case.

So what he is saying that all his customers only like killing stuff or sport simulators.

I think I am right just like he is.

@WaffleBoat me too waffle boat, me too

I enjoyed Medal of Honor on GameCube,
give me one military shooter on a system and I'll probably buy, don't need endless sequels though.

Should it ? Isn’t it synonymous to the toxic masculinity and to the vulgarisation of the mass shooting agenda and police violence ? « No russian » - no thanks, keep this sh*t for yourself. Speaking of great shooter games switch is well served by id alone.

I don't think Final Fantasy appeals to core Playstation audience cuz it sells less than Sony First Party games and sells better on Switch whenever it's multiplatform. I think trade commisions should step in and stop those Final Fantasy/Playstation exclusivity shenanigans!

@Dragonite89 Do you think this deal will go through? I’ve been really worried for a while now.

It's all just silly rubbish. Yeah CoD isn't as big on nintendo platforms as likes of PS and Xbox that's true but doesn't mean there's no audience.

Sony is just humiliating themselves at this point begging to stop the deal Pretending that the entirety of the gaming market is CoD focused but ignore the PC market that's magically a separate market and Nintendo doesn't count either cause they like Mario.

Trying to create a niche market of high spec consoles that consists only of Ps and Xbox where everyone is obsessed with CoD to the point that nothing could compete with it ever and ps is the underdog dispite outselling xbox and hoarding exclusive games, dlc and content on ps.

Like they could make CoD exclusive to Xbox and that's evil them using money that way, oh we paid so FF is Playstation exclusive on consoles please applaud us.

@The-Chosen-one Even when games like Doom Eternal and Bioshock run very well?

Yeah.

I know it was just a smack talk, but seeing the market now, the core of the gaming is the Switch. Switch gamers are not a "specific kind" who like only Mario and Zelda. It's the mainstream type of gamers now. The mainstream has changed and that's great news.

I'm surprised to see that so many people seem to be offended by that.

@steely_pete Same here.

I also agree. Given the compromises that it would need to run on Switch and the core of the game being an online experience, most multi platform players would play on a different console. It was just a generalisation made to compare the offer by MS to go on all platforms as a gesture. It would be put on Switch to prove a point, not to make money.

He's not wrong, but he could at least try to not come across as an arrogant d-bag. He's probably salty that the Switch out sold the PS4, and the PS5 probably won't sell as much.

If Nintendo wasn't a direct competitor, he wouldn't be so worried about it.

Well he called me out, at the very least. I am indeed the filthy casual who primarily only plays first party Nintendo titles. If I wanted to play CoD or really anything not Nintendo, I'd save up and buy one of the other two consoles. And a TV to play them on lol

This does feel like a really silly argument. I mean while it may be true not everyone who plays Mario and Pokemon and maybe Zelda on Switch would want to play COD, there will still be people who are playing those games who would like it.

And won't there be an auidence who already want COD on Switch? Or would play it if it gets added?

The Switch is so popular I would strongly imagine so.

I think it's more about trying to not get it on Switch then pretend it doesn't have an audience for the Switch. Idk, comes off that way to me anyway.

I think the statement is …kinda true. It would still sell a respectable amount though.

I have every CoD for GameCube, Wii, WiiU and a couple on NDS.
Those twisted political statements are for confusing the court.

I think what Ryan meant to say was: "Call of Duty doesn't appeal to everyone at NinetndoLIFE."

common mistake. The game appeals to millions of people playing the switch. people like aiming at other online people and pressing the trigger and making them fall down. it feels good. it's why Nintendo made Splatoon.

Why is CoD this important? I absolutely never play it, and I own every current gen console.

Some people neither have the ability, or desire, to have multiple systems every generation. I've always been of the mindset that I'm going to play the system that appeals to me most and I will always welcome other styles of games to play. But the argument of "there's no audience" is flimsy at best. Open your pocketbook, publishers, and put it there, and understand every generation you take a chance, striking gold and sometimes, and sometimes lead. Let the consumers do the talking.

He's not entirely wrong. Nintendo's core audience like real video games. And COD ain't been a real video game for well over a decade.

I think Jim Ryan should've took the physical game angle instead as for why Nintendo fans wouldn't be interested in CoD. State that Nintendo fans value physical games a lot where you can just put the game cart in the console and play and show how CoD under Microsoft wouldn't be like that (instead being digital only, physical version being code in box or license key on the cart).

Wth? I LOVE COD!

obvious psi-op, but in my case the shoe fits 😅

Sony might have missed that the install base for Switch is far wider than just Nintendo fans.
Switch is more like the PS2 in that regard.

I will buy EVERY Call of Duty on Nintendo Switch, with or without DLC or dedicated servers, Jim Ryan!!

@MegaMari0 ...like the massively popular CoD on mobile?

@Truegamer79 Call of Duty is about as fantastical as you can get.

I have switch, xbox series X and ps4 (and a lot more consoles) and i don't have any COD. Does that mean that no one plays COD?

Because that's what he is sounding like. "Switch players don't play COD" is such a ***** argument... maybe they don't play it because there isn't one on the platform?

Just don't generalize. Is like if i said that everyone that owns three consoles is like me and does not play it.

Ya well Jim Ryan is an idiot. I love Mario and Zelda and COD. I didn't buy a PS5 because of scalpers hogging all stock but now after the childishness of Sony (and Jim Ryan especially), I'll never buy a Sony console again. I'll happily stick with my PC and Switch.

That said, I wouldn't buy COD on Switch because I have a gaming PC and prefer to play FPS games with mouse & keyboard. That doesn't mean other players feel the same, and I'm sure plenty would buy and play COD on the Switch.

Although, I think I just may buy it on Switch to add to the sales just to spite this idiot and his generalizations and ignorant comments. Jim Ryan knows nothing of gaming/gamers and is just an idiot. He's a cry baby who bullies and plays dirty to get exclusives but now that MS has exclusives from Zenimax it's somehow wrong and trying to acquire Activision is just him being a sore loser that he didn't think of it first.

@zgillet is it riddled with Mtx? Mobile phone games are too much of a compromised experience or even incomplete in my opinion.

He's right, in my case. FPS games aren't my favorite, and in any case, I'd rather play them on PC with a mouse and keyboard.

I hate to see comments like these.

1) Gamecube only sold 21 million units compared to 155 million PS2 (and, wow, only 24 million OG Xbox - that's surprising actually). Huge gap. Plus, The Gamecube had size restrictions due to not using DVD format.

2) Wii, while it sold a ton, the majority of those sales were probably for games like Wii Sports and not Call of Duty (or a majority of other games as well).

3) Wii U sold a paltry 13 million.

Nintendo basically relied on Nintendo diehard fans for these consoles.

The Switch is a console that has everything - from Doom to Metroid Prime to Dark Souls to Zelda. And, it's outsold the PS4.

Basically, after years of trying to recoup the audience it lost after the SNES, Nintendo has a console that appeals to a wide range of gamers.

While, yes, Nintendo IP are the heart and soul for Switch gamers, that isn't to say Call of Duty wouldn't find an audience on Switch if an actual Call of Duty game released on the system.

Still, I wouldn't expect to see any Call of Duty on Nintendo until the next system is out there.

And to Jim Ryan: be afraid of Nintendo's next system.

If the Switch could overtake lifetime sales of the PS4, then Nintendo only needs to double the power of the current system and the PS5 will take a hit (especially in Japan).

All a Switch 2 needs is a better CPU and more RAM to run modern games. The GPU, with DLSS backing, probably doesn't need a significant amount of boost, just enough to render modern games natively at 1080p/60 on a TV (and upscaled to 4K) and 720p/60 is still good enough in handheld.

Heck, put DLSS 3.0-compatible Tensor cores in the Dock, if that's possible!

@Dragonite89 that's literally his job innit? Figuring out what the people want to sell products

He must have a very low opinion of Call of Duty if he thinks it wouldn't sell to any of 120m Switch owners.

Sony is just trying to defend the last "turf" it has which is Europe,

Americas XSX/PS5 sales are mostly 1-1 (PS5 is sold more on US and Canada while XSX is sold more on Latam)

Asian gaming markets has pretty much migrated to mobile.

There's this conception that Europeans only like to play COD and FIFA, so yeah imagine being Sony, pay a lot of publicity money to UEFA in order to have announcements on UCL finals ... only for one of the most played games on the continent to end as a freebie on your rival console.

I've been a Nintendo gamer since the NES. I was also big into the COD series on the Xbox 360. I really miss those days playing COD, but I really only play the Switch these days. I personally would love a COD game on the Switch.

@MegaMari0 I mean, the main games are riddled with arguably MORE MTX.

@Dragonite89 it’s not aimed at us. It is aimed at convincing the ftc commission they are in a different market, since when you define the market smaller, a bigger ms seems like more of a monopoly.

People getting worked up over this are biased and lying to themselves. I played call of duty modern warfare and black ops games on wii and wii u and they may have been a nice experience but it definitely didnt feel right. Also they were much much inferior to other ports

@chardir just like call of duty games sold fast on wii right??.....

I would play cod on switch.

says the company that continues to censors their games while nintendo letting ecchi/rated m games on the switch with less censorship.

i would play the campaign if the tech is decent enough

They sold pretty decent on Wii

@dimi true but then again the problem is the wii cods games were infested with hackers and cheaters

@zgillet I see. Well, I gave up cod/battlefield years ago when they started with that Mtx practice. Funny enough, I still own a copy of battlefield bad company 2 for pc for nostalgia purposes.

@Olmectron
I totally forgot about these games, true, also wolfenstein, so yeah i take my words back lol.

I love Cod, specially black ops. pretty cool games. wtf is he talking about

.. he thinks he is "The king of the world"
I'm sure he's the king of #@#@sh#t

So in short, Jim Ryan is Cryin'. Nintendo fans are not interested in his opinions.

But the best selling platform that exists above and outside of the competition is not bought only by diehard Nintendo fans. Some people want a handheld that gets actual software support. Some are Playstation fans that didn't get a Playstation because there were none. And some are gamers, not business people crying over the internet. More interested in fun than in numbers. As Sony's boss you might want to try that, maybe you'll understand the market better, and won't drown in your own tears with no one to throw you a rope.

They won't admit that Microsoft is right about the demographics, especially considering Microsoft owns the company that has already brought M-rated FPS franchises to the Switch since its very first year.

@MegaMari0 My favorite Battlefield was the Xbox Arcade one... two maps

Maybe a counter argument should be made that Playstation isn't a direct competitor because of the sheer amount of cinematics (FFXVI has 11hours worth?!), they're actually in the movie industry.

@Tarolusa The loud people are usually the minority but feel like they represent a whole fanbase since the majority are like, regular non-obnoxious people. I think lots of people play multi-plat, but some swear by just Nintendo for attention.

Yeah, I agree. I don't care about that game in the slightest. I played a lot in my early 20s, but I'm 100% out on those games now. They probably wouldn't sell enough to pay for the salaries of the folks that have to develop and maintain the game.

@GrailUK I love Nintendo the most but I do also love halo lol

The Wii enters the room the console demonstrating COD presence the most over Wii U and GameCube. Clearly he isn't too aware or open eyed or minded enough.

Do I care for COS not really but audience I mean I assume it crosses over for some.

What about Project Hammer on Wii that was cancelled. What about Disaster Day of Crisis on Wii. What about Astral Chain on Switch. The IPs on many consoles of FE/Xeno/Metroid. GameCube and Wii U mature third party games ma y Nintendo fans know of Eternal Darkness, Grist, Bayonetta 2&3, Devils Third all exclusive then the this parties that can be just as fun on Nintendo systems. Clearly those count and he isn't really going to count those is he sure not COD evel sales but mature IPs yes.

Many people own a Nintendo system and PS/Xbox/PC after all. If Nintendo fans are only on Nintendo they pick up the others on there if available and are interested in those IPs. The fact there was a Wii U video saying about mature IPs that skipped the Wii U a joke or not says something about how people may be in that position for Switch but ma y have come to it. What about Batman coming to Switch soon? Can't ignore Warner Bros efforts there besides Hogwarts Legacy getting to Switch finally and Mortal Kombat 1 even. Street Fighter 6 isn't so if people want a 1-1 fighting game I'd say Mortal Kombat is it unless missing others on Switch and many were on Wii U with Tekken Tag Tournament.

Just like many Vita owners were either Indie or Japanese niche game owners which got a Switch to play niche/fan service games Sony doesn't allow on their platform hmm I wonder why that is besides offering a handheld for them to play them on. Maybe they have Doom, Wolfenstein (got to ignore Bethesda presence huh Sony remember Skyrim at launch too no clearly not) or Witcher or maybe COD alternatives like Modern Combat the Gameloft mobile games on their Switch hmmmm clearly not.

I could 4 MW1 on Wii for the sake of the controls/didn't think I had it on other platforms (old version not the remaster).

I mean Sony could have let Gal Gun Returns on PS4/Microsoft as well on Xbox One just like it was PS3/360 back in the day but no it's Switch only I wonder why their principles were that way hmmmm to reflect their brand yeah not surprised it's on Switch and I'm glad it's available on a console platform and not PC only, so I can play my adult niche Japanese games on Switch in peace.

Sony forgets that people that played their old IPs may have like multiple like myself instead of 'hmm only they like these types' which sure does happen but the fact I want all Nintendo IPs because of the genre variety says a lot then similar among all on PlayStation that I want none of.

Their IPs I would care for have changed in ways I don't like and won't support because they play it too safe, badly market and lie to us or really just don't care and make bad decisions, they suck and have gone down hill over the years with each entry that I'm willing to cut my favourite IPs off their dead to me because they aren't evolving, their devolving and while changing to appeal to an audience is fine they either play it too safe which is so frustrating or waste our time/lie to us in marketing we don't believe and 180 us that we saw coming and tell them were not buying it because they clearly don't care anyway so why should we give them our money if they don't care they don't deserve it.

They can do a dramatic change to a series in one entry but they don't follow up on it when people praise the dramatic changed entry (which is rare I'd say so why ignore the audience clearly they don't care) in the series, how tone deaf can they be, or annoy me with internet required annoying design and bad career modes that make Forza Motorsport 6 look like a better trashy masterpiece so no Sony you don't clearly know enough about some people in your older audience just your newcomer audience and those brand loyal that are happy enough.

Then again I own a Switch because I like Nintendo the more I bought a Wii U/3DS after a handful of times the Wii/DS (collecting later) and well Sony wants a remote play handheld so they don't have to develop games for it which makes sense but I mean I can get a Switch and do more with it and no PS5 needed who cares if the graphics are what they are it doesn't bother me I'm using retro consoles at 1080p/a PS4 anyways.

I can play PS3/360 era IPs and newer stuff on the go and Japanese games Sony doesn't get/want. The AA Japanese IPs from Vita. The mobile games if I cared enough. The big thing the gimmicks. Give me Joycon separation no other PC handhelds offer it. The dock is a nice bonus had enough Wii U, PSP to TV and more experience or Nomad/PDAs/Pocket PC handhelds of the 2000s research to understand it/it's nothing special but nice to have. So why wouldn't I like a Switch over a PS5 thank you Sony.

Also when Mario Kart does half the console sales he isn't one to talk is he if his own may be a lot combined but on their own no.

I mean when I got a PS2 it wasn't oh the kids games it was oh the adult games, the DVD player and kids games hmm. Same with Xbox (got Halo but also Blinx and others). Same with PS3 plenty for both young and old. Where is Modnation Racers, Jak, Sly and more huh Sony? Didn't think so.

Nintendo it's the same IPs, the odd new one when they get an idea and they are mostly for everyone but they have Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Metroid (all different genres and settings too then third person hmm imagine Sony doing that it's unheard of nowadays with them all be fairly similar which you can say they work well but to me their bland then the variety Sony had like Nintendo and I still wanted to buy them all now I want to buy none of them because their so uninteresting, says a lot doesn't it) and the odd mature third party deal on GameCube and Wii U with Eternal Darkness, Geist, Devil's Third, Bayonetta 2 assist of funding. But the 'adults' whether casuals or Nintendo fans play the 'for everyone/kids games' and the mature IPs.

Stereotyping an audience he knows nothing about what good he tells us clearly there compared to Nintendo fans or even 'uses all consoles' type people that know better than he does which is nothing clearly about Nintendo's audience and who buys the third party mature games on there or the first party mature IPs let alone offer kids games (has what 3 IPs these days then the past, Dreams is a game tool after all, Concrete Genie barely got noticed sadly) on his own console or actually exciting games.

Sure they might not sell as well as on PlayStation/Xbox but they still sell. I know many Wii games may not have done well that were exclusive but devs still tried with light gun games and many using the Wiimote and I barely see many use the Sixaxis let alone well.

I bought 4 MW on Wii to try the Wiimote control scheme, wasn't going to do that on PlayStation no gyro support is there hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Is on all Wii/Wii U versions of COD isn't there. Mostly Japanese devs used the gyro for aiming or touchpad and most 2016+ Sony games ditched those controller features so only 'now' on PS5 are they using them hmmmmm. I know they only have so many ideas but still, says a lot. Then Gravity Rush 2 was just great with the gyro in 2017.

As if people didn't buy Doom 2016/Eternal, Wolfenstein, Witcher 3 and more on Switch, even bad games like COD/Counter Strike alternatives, even Gameloft's Modern Combat mobile games on Switch, or Asphalt mobile racing games, clearly he ignores those, mature third parties clearly exist on there.

As if I don't seek out third party arcade or sim racing games as if they were Nintendo gap games. Like Auto Modellista/R Racing Evolution on GameCube or Grid Autosport/Gear Club Unlimited 1 & 2 on Switch (before 2 went to PS5).

Honestly he doesn't even understand his audience of people that clearly like 3D platformers, niche gems, certain kids games among other gaps of an audience (as if Ratchet/LittleBigPlanet/Astro when they used to have more, their devs can make what they want but still it's lacking and many not into Sony cinematic games clearly go elsewhere or Japanese games Sony hasn't made annoyed fan service or not content in them aka me going to Nintendo where they are respected and also AA Japanese devs have a better chance as PlayStation seeks the big Japanese devs/pubs instead) besides just Ratchet among other things let alone terrible nostalgia marketing/caring so what does he know.

I mean the decisions by many of PS thinking now is fine but there is a reason I went to Nintendo is the game design, the gimmicks interest me, the cough genre variety cough interests me immensely then open worlds and action adventure games that are cinematic and the back of necks aka third person.

So the closest I use my PS4/Xbox for for is third parties and get this first parties and third parties on their PS1-3/PSP/Vita platforms and OG Xbox/360 that I seek out more for actual quality and appealing mechanics, imagine that and why I don't want a PS5 it's because it's not appealing to me in the slightest, no hardware upgrades make me care if the games aren't worth it to me and the controller tech only does so much for me.

I have mixed feelings about this. While I agree that the Switch will isn’t the target audience for CoD, I think there is an audience who would still appreciate and purchase the game.

I don’t care about COD as it is right now. But how would I know where this franchise will go in the future? I may become a huge fan if given the opportunity.

@Wilforce Many are willing to play Modern Combat aka Gameloft's mobile FPS that's COD inspired and likely shovelware besides fair quality mobile titles or games that may be just as good military shooters available.

Or other mature titles on Switch. There is many not interested for sure you do see it many past generations but at the same time that's not everybody either but if it's the
only console they have or want it for gaming portably or like the Wii many experienced COD just saying Mario and Zelda is pretty much stereotyping saying he really only sees the surface level, talking to others that also see the surface level is just as hilarious the more I learned about Nintendo systems, games and so on the past time the Switch has been on the market and enjoying their past consoles (being a PS/Xbox and a bit of Wii/DS when they were new before expanding to others during the Switch lifecycle) when a lot of audiences are on Switch and buying up mature IPs, all Nintendo IPs like Sony wants with theirs, many family friendly, many mature, many niche games using the Joycons, many retro style games, among others and of course Vita owners looked to it as a successor too not interested in a remote play handheld. XD

I mean if people buy Batman, MK1, Doom, Wolfenstein, Witcher, niche Japanese games, Nintendo's own mature IPs of FE/Xeno/Metroid/Bayonetta and other mature IPs by third parties I think as a competitior they need to look further than the surface level. Even then Sony did oh Mario Kart and Smash attempts but where is their tactics or others then clearly ignoring a first party space there while thifd parties offered certain types of genres Sony doesn't.

I guess this dingleberry missed the entire Wii era when they put 5 Call of Duty's on the console. Surely there must have been a 'market' for them to keep porting over CoD's over and over again.

Ryan is easily the most incompetent of the Big 3's bosses. This is the same guy who said gamers don't want to play classic games in response to calls for better backwards compatibility prior to the PS5's launch. I don't know how he has a job, because the PS5's success is in spite of him, not because.

I'm loving all these CEOS telling me what I want, and I what I like. Helps me from having to figure it out on my own.

You know, Sony's attitude in all this is what has turned me off of the PlayStation hardware and made me pretty much support Xbox and Nintendo.

I honestly don't get how the PlayStation is so popular. I had a PS3 and it was a piece of junk that barely lasted two years before it started having hardware failures, and it felt like my PS4 spent more time downloading updates to games and not letting me play them.

I just have a preference for Xbox and Nintendo platforms now, and Jim's idiotic takes aren't helping.

Especially the arrogant belief that PCs and the Switch somehow aren't competition.

Narrow minded pri*k right there then. Wow. I'd love some cod games, if you can play offline with offline bots!

I also feel like Ryan is taking a bigger swing at more people than he realizes. The average gamer age is in their mid to late 30's (based on a few sources I could find) which means that these are the people that grew up on Mario, Zelda, Sonic and Pokemon. The Nintendo switch audience skews younger but only to 20-30 years of age. Which again means adults that would (and likely do on other systems when not available on switch) play M rated games like COD. People play Mario and Zelda into their adult years with ease....so I'm not sure if he should risk swinging at the users with disposable income.

@XenoShaun exactly. You can’t either not make the game or gimp it to heck (and there is a difference between tailoring a game to work on a lower spec system/pc than just removing modes because you don’t wanna be bothered) and then go “see, nobody bought it!!!” If it isn’t available how can I buy it? Fifa is hacked to pieces but it still sells on switch. So if something that is tossed like wet garbage sells what would a few games and marketing that are designed for switch do?

@Galaxy88 yep, nobody buys a nintendo switch to play COD and its not nintendo's target audience either, the angry people here are just a bunch of triggered drama queens.

Sony's ego is beyond compare. The fact that they pay for priority optimisation of many multiplat games to run better on PS5 at launch with Series X gamers having to wait until the DF etc tech breakdowns are done before getting their optimisation patch shows how pathetic Sony are.