
It's hard to overstate just how much of an impact Shigeru Miyamoto has had on Nintendo and the gaming industry at large. Indeed, without him there would be no Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, F-Zero, Pikmin... IP that, quite frankly, have made Nintendo what it is today. So it's hard to imagine just what the company would be like without him.
Thankfully, Miyamoto himself has a pretty good idea.
In an interview with NPR (thanks, Nintendo Everything), Miyamoto spoke about the impact of Nintendo's games and how they have managed to capture the hearts of so many players, before moving on to what Nintendo might eventually look like without him. Here's what he had to say:
"You know, I really feel like it's not going to change. It's probably going to be the same. There's, you know, people on the executive team, creators within the company and also people who create Mario, they all have this sense of what it means to be Nintendo. And so it's not like there's a lot of different opinions that go back and forth.
"Everyone has an understanding, this kind of shared understanding, of what it is to be Nintendo. And so even when there's new ideas that come up, there's always the fact that it's a new idea, but also the fact that, is it a new idea that really has the essence of Nintendo or not? And I think that's something that, you know - we have this incredible shared vision, almost a little scary shared vision, about this. So I think there won't - it's not going to change."
Sounds about right. Even looking in from the outside, there's definitely a sense that Nintendo's employees all share the same ideology when it comes to the brand and its games.
Something else to consider is Miyamoto's role within the company at this point in time. While he's still working creatively in some areas (notably the Super Mario Bros. Movie and potentially Pikmin 4), the creative reins were metaphorically handed over to younger talent quite some time ago, with Miyamoto now serving as one of the representative directors of Nintendo. It's safe to say that Miyamoto has immense influence within the company to this day, so we're certain his impact will be felt for generations to come.
What do you make of Miyamoto's comments on his eventual departure from Nintendo? Let us know your thoughts with a comment below.
[source npr.org, via nintendoeverything.com]
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@JadeKitsune The Origami King is imo the best Paper Mario game tbh. Wouldn't mind some NPCs that aren't generic Toads though
Yeah yeah, they said the same when Satoru Iwata died, but if you look at the majority of games they have released since then.....
Look at the amount of shovelware on Switch, so much for the Nintendo Quality Assured games
Not everyone could stay in one place forever so I could see why he was ask this and what his answer will be but at this point in the company's history I think Nintendo is in good hand. Shigeru Miyamoto did bring a lot of creative ideas and IPs to the company but Nintendo is a lot of things now and Miyamoto is just another legend among those. Whoever he pass the torch to hopefully it's someone who is a big a gamer and creator as he was.
@Bunkerneath no offence but where were you when the Wii was shovelware city
I honestly don’t know, nintendo is so unpredictable that we would just have to wait and see, it ether doesn’t change and we dont see a difference, oooooor.
@Bunkerneath the shovelware is everywhere, on all platforms. I won't deny there's a lot of it though. A lot of the hidden gems get lost in there.
Whether Nintendo changes or not, when the day comes for Miyamoto's retirement I'll sure miss seeing that big grin during the events/showcases. It's that childlike joy and wonder that gifted us so many of these great games
Probably better off without his ridiculous, outdated ideas.
@Bunkerneath Unless you had absolutely no clue about gaming I don't get why even mentioning the shovelware. Every true gamers know how to find the good stuff, shovelware and bargain bin products are everywhere not just in gaming. For every high quality product there's also a low quality version elsewhere, there's nothing you could do to stop those. Steam, the PS2, Wii, Xbox, PS4, these are filled with shovelware as well but you had to realize the importance of their existence, if a console had shovelware then that just means it's popular just like an actor. If an actor is popular doesn't mean that person is going to always be in great movies, the more they are popular, the more you see them in movies even the crappy ones. Every company before they made a hit had made at least one or two shovelware before they found stardom. Heck Naughty Dog made a MK ripoff (Way of the Warrior) before they found success with Crash Bandicoot, SquareSoft made an OutRun ripoff (Rad Racer) before they found success with Final Fantasy, Capcom made a Xevious ripoff (1942) before they found success with Mega Man, Atari made a Pong ripoff (Breakout) before they found success with Tempest, Nintendo made a Space Invaders ripoff (RadarScope) before they found success with Donkey Kong, Sega made a Donkey Kong ripoff (Congo Bongo) before they made success with Sonic, Microsoft made an Artillery Duel ripoff (Gorillas) before they found success with Halo, and Sony made a Metal Gear ripoff (Syphon Filter) before they found success with God of War.
I guess they would sell Card Games and Pro-sti... yeah haha
From what I've read I'd imagine less smoky.
@JadeKitsune He was only involved in the first Paper Mario game and didn't work on any sequels after.
The guys a genius, probably does a lot more than you think.
Sounds about right. I don't believe Nintendo would change much either, unless something radical were to happen to their philosophy, after Miyamoto eventually retires from the company.
It’s really amazing when I think about it, that most of the amazing game-makers when I was a kid, are STILL as active as ever: Shigeru Miyamoto, Yuji Naka, Hideo Kojima, Hironobu Sakaguchi, Koji Igarashi, Nobuo Uematsu, etc., etc. They have astounding longevity.
I’ll always respect and appreciate his legacy and what he did for nintendo and video games in general. Perhaps the most influential game designer who has ever lived. However he’s been pulling back so much over the years and sticking to consultation or repeating what worked already that I haven’t seen much true innovation since the Wii and it’s motion control. So I think his departure will not be a crazy detriment to their company due to that “fading out” he’s already been doing.
Still, it’ll be a very sad day when he hangs up the controller completely and sails into the sunset.
@JadeKitsune Even though I have my gripes with certain things Miyamoto has done since the early 2000s (see Star Fox Adventures + Zero and Zelda: Skyward Sword), he was only partially responsible for the direction the series took with Sticker Star. He made some (admittedly questionable) suggestions during that game's development and the developers at Intelligent Systems went too far with them.
The real culprit behind the current state of the series is Kensuke Tanabe. Instead of listening to criticism, this man has actively doubled down on what older fans such as myself hate about the newer games, all while trying to shift the blame to some other person or group, whether it be Miyamoto, the IP team, or even the fans themselves (great way to get people to see your point of view, by the way).
While I do think it's for the best that Miyamoto has mostly stepped back from active development, if anyone needs to retire from Nintendo ASAP, it's Tanabe. He has done far more damage to Nintendo than Miyamoto ever could.
The Miyamoto Hologram will ensure that they will always spend years developing Pikmin sequels in favor of absolutely anything else.
This first half year of Nintendo is really about putting Miyamoto on a pedestal. Opening of Nintendo World, the release of the Super Mario Bros. Movie and the release of Pikmin 4.
I think Miyamoto will ride into the sunset after that. And well deservedly so. He's a legend.
@Bunkerneath
Ahem..
I pretty much enjoy the underrated / unpopular games that oftenly called by shovelwares such as My Universe games by Microids, the games by Outright Games, girlie games by Nippon Columbia, Geminose, Pocoyo Party, etc.
There are always the audiences for those unpopular games.
What are shovelwares for one people, they are hidden gems by other peoples.
@DiggleDog
Not to mention, PS2 was filled with it also. Ridiculous statement, frankly.
He essentially established Nintendo in terms of methodology on how to be Nintendo so even when he is gone, this legacy will continue to live on! Look at Splatoon for example, it isn't Miyamoto's creation yet it literally has the Nintendo feel.
@mariomaster96
Behave yourself.
@Bunkerneath
as others have mentioned the wii had a large amount of shovelware, as did the ds and 3ds, it tends to be the case with any platform which is even remotely popular.
while the wiiu not being very popular did mean that it managed to dodge some of this, games like meme run still managed to make their way onto the system back in 2014, and while meme run was removed from the eshop it was due to unlicensed imagery rather than any quality issues.
I disagree, to an extent. I think the company won’t change much if and when Mr. Miyamoto leaves because he already doesn’t work on video games anymore. I do however think it noticeably changed when he stopped working on video games. Just look at Breath of the Wild. Mr. Aonuma had essentially been training his whole career for the day he would have to make a Zelda game without Mr. Miyamoto’s help, and the end result doesn’t resemble the Zelda series at all. There are other great talents at Nintendo besides Mr. Miyamoto, but Mr. Miyamoto himself is unique and irreplaceable.
@Bunkerneath Look I'm not going to pretend there's not shovelware on the Switch, but its been a problem since the Wii. It's just more noticeable now because all digital games are in one place on the Switch, rather than being broken up by Virtual Console and Wiiware.
@Eggolor Do you have a source on your information on Kensuke Tanabe? I'd be very curious to read up on it.
Old designers VS young demands is always a talking point. I can imagine that some people prefer more modern approaches to games and while appreciating tha groundwork, Miyamoto did, want Nintendo to do more Splatoon-kind of steps more often.
Maybe bc I'm quite old myself, but I can still appreciate old designers holding things together when yound ones try to break as many conventions as possible. The healthiest thing there is would always be a harmonic mix of both. As someone who loved Mario's Odyssey (I know not all did) I believe its a good example of some Miyamoto conventions overseeing something that tries to break conventions wherever they can.
Until Skyward Sword it really felt like the Zelda franchise was stuck in a designlimbo but they too managed to completely reinvent the whole franchise.
The only thing that can and will change Nintendo is the success (or lack thereof) of their current lineup of products. One executive retiring, leaving, or passing away (i.e. Iwata) won't do much for such a big company.
@JadeKitsune
Did you know that Miyamoto was never really the one who defined the fate of the Paper Mario sequels, which are only speculation, misunderstandings or the famous broken phone that many uninformed or even "haters" have obtained information from?
@DiggleDog Shovelware should be allowed on different platforms, it gives developers a method of making money. However, Nintendo should have a better options to organize the nintendo shop.
@SakuraHaruka What are we misunderstanding about Miyamoto saying "It's fine without a story, so do we really need one?" and "As much as possible, complete it with only characters from the Super Mario world"? https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/07/paper_mario_producer_says_its_no_longer_possible_to_modify_mario_characters
Probably the greatest video game creator of all time; but his most enduring quality is his humbleness.
@Kazman2007 I recommend SuperMarioT's video about the topic, if I recall correctly it has some if not all sources in the description:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOk2QxDIW6c
Will be so sad to see Miyamoto go when the time comes, but I definitely agree with him that Nintendo, for better or worse, won't change that much if at all without him.
As every human being he certainly made some mistakes, but I still can't thank him enough for making the games and series that have accompanied me throughout almost if not all my life!
@Bunkerneath
Would much rather anything and everything be put on the Eshop, even with the shovelware, that's how you find hidden gems, the indie scene wouldn't be as strong if Nintendo cherry picked everything that goes on there. It's not hard to go on Youtube and find the best games that have been buried amongst the trash heap.
When he's gone Nintendo will most likely change, and for the worst I fear.
Miyamoto is a genius and a legendary icon, but his ideas today are holding back Nintendo. Some conservatism is good but there needs to be more openness to change and new ideas. Other than Arms and Splatoon, there's been a significant lack of new & original AAA IPs from Nintendo
With all respect, some of Disney's grandest achievements abd profits have happened without, well, Disney. But none of them would have happened without what Walt Disney and his original teams did. Same will always apply to Nintendo and Miyamoto. Just like Walt & Co, they never invented their respective fiction domain - but they did a lot to codify it and make it what it is today.
I side with Miyamoto here. Nintendo will continue to be Nintendo, for better and for worse.
I've watched a ton of developer diaries for various Nintendo games and the story usually was that Miyamoto often butted into development to try and shoehorn in some gimmicks that people were then forced to implement. The man seems to hate making sequels if there isn't some mandatory new angle. This is probably why we haven't seen a new Mario Kart and instead just more dlc. I respect all that he's done for the industry and gaming in general but I think it's finally time for the legend to step down.
@Anti-Matter shovelware isnt a game thats unpopular...l its a game that sucks meaning it doesnt play well, or is broken, or is a game for a phone thats 99 cents but on switch its 19.99 or full price... good example on the switch is ubran street fighting its 4$ but its barely playable looks like its frrom the dreamcast era, and is just a trash money grab game...and after looking around i found EVERY game from the company Pixelart is the same, along with another company after googling pixelart is Sabec they dont make games that play they are essentially scams... ill give you a great example of shovelware remember MEATBOY.... well what about METBOY... yep its a "game" but its not fun not playable really and just a joke...or how about ROBLOX yep even that has shovelware named ROBOX again another craptastic "game" both are games for a phone and need maybe 3 buttons total and feel fine in the beginning but kinda fall apart after a few levels...
The dude is a legend.
He also has a blues band. So that just makes him even cooler to me.
That said, there will come a time when he exits the stage. I don’t think Nintendo will change that much after he’s gone.
He's 70 now. Perhaps he is thinking about retirement. Perhaps he cannot let go and stick around till the end. Who knows? I for one don't know if he's married or has children. no idea.
(Breaks out cassette tape of Dr. Feelgood and plays "Without You".)
Whew, that conjured up an old memory of growing up watching my oldest brother conquer Zelda 2 and Mario 3 with that record blasting at full volume, along with Ozzy No More Tears, Metallica Black Album, Def Leppard High N Dry, AC/DC Live and every KISS record.
The early 90s were awesome.
@mariomaster96
TTYD is the best, for sure.
It’s good to know that when he retires, Nintendo will remain pretty much the same. However, I’m glad he’s still there.
Now I’m starting to regret making that comment.
I remember a time when this was a major concern whitin Nintendo, to the point that they even aknowledge it in the Iwata era, Now with young people working on their biggest franchises and the sr people overseeing most of their IPs, i can bet that their game developing philosophy is cristal clear to all who works in there.
@Tober he is, has stated many times how even his kids were Sega kids and Sonic fans and how most of their console around his house were his (once said he even "borrow" a Sega Genesis for research porpuses or something like that)
@Axecon i do agree, and they have adress this same issue. Whenever they have an idea that's "Fun" "innovative" or "cool" they think how to implemented on their big IP, thas how Smash Bros and other games came to be, for better or worst, they scrap new ips in favor to their legacy ones.
@Classic603 Nah, I've always heard amazing things about this game (especially from TTYD fans who love to talk the newer PM games down) and when I finally got to play it I was really let down. I mean sure, it is a good game but there's no way it is "so much better" than TOK like some like to claim. Actually it even is a bit boring/tedious at times
@mariomaster96
...You did play TOK's combat right? Boring, time consuming and the very definition of tedious. No fun partners, TTYD had fun folding abilities and it felt much more novel and interesting.
I'm glad SOMEONE enjoyed TOK, but I did not. To me, Super was the start of the down slide. 64 was fun, but TTYD is amazing. TOK was okay at best
@Bret
@JadeKitsune
https://youtu.be/44g6d_vSp1E
Unfortunately, it's a video in Spanish LATAM, but, here, explain very well what I mentioned, and by the way, more info; and, the author of the video is someone who severely criticizes the negative acts of Nintendo.
Seriously, I recommend watch all the video, but, yes, the language is a detail...
He’s been preparing for his retirement for years so not really surprised that things are in hand. But I do think we as consumers will feel some of the absence of his quirky genius. The real pain is going to be when his successors retire like Aonuma-san as you will get diminishing returns from training new gens.
The man is a legend and I appreciate his thoughts on not getting too wrapped up into games and enjoying the outside world as well. He's had some misses (Star Fox Zero, Paper Mario changes), but many more hits. His involvement in game design anymore is pretty minimal. He pretty much isn't involved in Zelda anymore and his role in Mario these days is pretty high level, with many others doing much more with the games themselves. I don't know if he'll ever fully "retire" or leave Nintendo, but I imagine his role will be more of a figurehead, kind of like we are seeing with the Mario Movies and Universal Studios theme park.
What a total legend!
@Classic603 "You did play TOK's combat right?"
That's right, I ignored it for the most part. Sadly it isn't possible to ignore TTYDs boring combat since you need the exp
@JadeKitsune So there really are lunatics that think Miyamito is the only person responsible for the current Paper Mario series, despite not even being in the development team? Absolutely hilarious.
@mariomaster96
I truly enjoyed the combat, as I'm a fan of classic turn based rpg. But to each his own, glad you enjoyed it
@Classic603 Oh I enjoy it as well, I mean why else would I currently play Octopath Traveler 2? But it just didn't click for me in PM2 therefore it just ended up feeling like a chore
@SalvorHardin That made me laugh so hard! XD
I have a teacher called Gabor Maté who has a teacher called A.H. Almaas. Almaas talks a lot about "essence" and the holes that develop in us as we unconsciously respond to deficiencies in our culture - holes which we then try to cover up.
I'm realising more and more that I love and have always loved Nintendo because it is so much closer to its essence than most other game companies. It doesn't usually get corrupted by the culture and therefore doesn't develop the problematic holes that other companies have and are constantly trying to cover up.
I mean Nintendo isn't really innovating anything these days game wise. Just slapping their IP into other popular games ideas so it won't mean much with him leaving I guess.
All I will say is I always imagined this day coming, as it inevitably would-- A Nintendo without Miyamoto. Way back then, I couldn't imagine it, but as I began to learn the who's who's that handle their IPs over the years, I began to understand just how many people were more than capable of upholding what makes Nintendo "Nintendo". All things change, but I think the key thing is Nintendo will change slowly over time, meticulously going over what makes them shine with a fine tooth comb.
If I were to give an award for the single most important contributor to video games, I'd give it to him. For that reason, he can stay around as long as he wants. And I hope even after he retires that he will make appearances at Nintendo events and help announce/promote stuff.
Miyamoto hasn't had a major leadership role in Nintendo since 2015 when Nintendo reorganized following Satoru Iwata's death. This reorganization combined Nintendo EAD and SPD into Nintendo EPD - Miyamoto (who led Nintendo EAD) became an adviser under the "Creative Fellow" moniker while Shinya Takahashi (who led Nintendo SPD) became the leader of the newly-formed Nintendo EPD.
There is a reason why Takahashi is the one who hosts most if not all of the general Nintendo Directs while Miyamoto only hosts the...check notes... Mario Movie Directs as of late. Miyamoto leaving Nintendo would, at most, impact Nintendo's future movie plans - their vidoe game software development is led by someone else entirely.
I think a good comparison is when steve jobs died.. ofcourse apple keep making nice products, and he wasn’t that evolved anymore, but slowly and steadily apple’s reputation has dwindled, from being a northern star for those who think different, to a premium phone retailer for rich people..
So if he leaves in 2025, 2027 stil will be ok, but 2035?
@westman98 Let's not forget his appearance to announce Pikmin 4 but yeah, I definitely agree with you.
I hope they don’t change much. I would hate it, to the point of probably dropping any and all support and perhaps gaming altogether, if they started leaning heavily into certain “modern western ideologies”.
That is reassuring to hear from him. Still I don’t like imagining Miyamoto retiring, he’s simply one of the most influential and interesting creative people of this time.
I've also read that he was a mentor to Satoshi Tajiri and helped get pokemon off the ground (hence why the rival in Red and Green is named Shigeru), and he has also been a massive help to Hideo Kojima
@Axecon Miyamoto is a genius and a legendary icon, but his ideas today are holding back Nintendo. Some conservatism is good but there needs to be more openness to change and new ideas.
Could've have said it better, there needs to be more. This is why game development lacks or dies off or game company dies off. Lack of taking in new ideas and incorporating it into the wider game development and doing trial/error and finding the best match. Game Development from ideas to final result isn't a short step so doing it right the first time and planning will help get a good game that fits each types of game category listings help expand their portfolio.
"It wont change much?" What? They've gone pretty liberal if you ask me. They used to care about what content is shown. I purchased games, was very surprised by what I saw, got rid of the game. So maybe "they can't change much". But it wouldn't surprise me if they did.
@locky-mavo they've changes over the last couple of years about particular game content. I personally don't like it. But to make a buck you "have to" appeal to more players.. which I don't really agree with.
@theModestMouse I agree. They don't have that "we won't disgrace ourselves and show that" aura anymore. The want to make a buck and not restrict a whole lot.
@JpBongo they have been doing that over the last few years.
@Joe-b
I'm not disagreeing with you, but how so?
@JpBongo I'm afraid of getting "banned" if I say. Which falls right into the what's wrong with this country..."usa"
I think it would be more important to see what Nintendo is like after the current wave of investors and top execs get replaced, but I get it. Gotta milk Miyamoto in the name of the click.
@Joe-b I’m not sure which games you’re referring to, perhaps it is or has become so subtle that I’ve completely missed it. But Nintendo have always had mass appeal to a wide audience, without relying on the “checklists”. Especially out of the 3.
Will be a sad day when Miyamoto is officially gone. I hope Nintendo would never sell out and do something like EA. Annual Mario releases (Add title name here) would kill the IPs that have stood the test of time. They could also go the uninspired route like the recent Yoshi and Kirby games for the sake of cranking them out. Look what happened to Sega when the creator died. I fear it will be bad news for long time Nintendo fans. Like Sony and Microsoft, I think graphics > gameplay is Nintendo’s future. I hope I’m wrong but I believe it has been the veterans that have stopped this so far.
@Midna Miyanoto has been an eyesore hampering creativity and holding on to the past since the GameCube days. Every deep dive of every game he's worked on since then mentions how they had to work around him in secret to finally bring that classic to life as we know it. He's famous for his temper and irrationality.
This is the man that has held paper Mario in it's "only toads" death grip, the guy responsible for starfox zero's controls, the one against breath of the wild, twilight princess and the wind walker as we know it...
Believe me, Iwata was the innovative one.
@Joe-b
ah, yes I understand. But to be fair to Nintendo, I think their main IPs have not strayed very far down that road. Which is why I'm afraid that once Miyamoto is gone, there will be one less barrier to stop that trend.
@JpBongo good point. The Left hasn't desicrated the nintendo IPs. The nintendo of old though would never have let half the games I see on Switch into their library...just because developers try to cater to all types doesn't mean it's good for society.
I agree, at first I thought it was a good move for the switch to have a more open Indi dev scene, but now I'm not so sure. It definitely helped them compete with steam, especially since they got things rolling before the Deck came out. But as you say, now there is an oversaturation of content and 99% is garbage. It's like a repeat of the VG market crash in the 80's. They gotta bring back that Nintendo Seal of Approval hard.
@Switch_Pro @SakuraHaruka @SakuraHaruka @Eggolor @SpiderSquid @mariomaster96 Moving on.
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