Team Xecutor member Gary Bowser was recently jailed for three years and fined almost $15 million for his part in a business which enabled Switch owners to hack their systems and play pirated games, and recently-unearthed court documents – dug up by Axios (thanks, Eurogamer) – reveal that the harsh sentence was very much intended to send a message to other hackers.
Nintendo lawyer Ajay Singh outlined the gravity of the situation:
This is a very significant moment for us. It’s the purchase of video games that sustains Nintendo and the Nintendo ecosystem, and it is the games that make the people smile. It’s for that reason that we do all we can to prevent games on Nintendo systems from being stolen.
US district judge Robert Lasnik openly discusses the idea of setting an example in the transcript of the court case. "What do you think? What else can we do to convince people that there's no glory in this hacking/piracy?" Judge Lasnik asked Nintendo's lawyer, who replied: "There would be a large benefit to further education of the public."
Judge Lasnik added: "I always tell the jurors, 'Your role is not to send a message. Your role is to decide guilt or innocence on the facts'. But my role sometimes does entail sending a message." However, he decided not to sentence Bowser to five years, as per the wishes of Nintendo's legal team, but three. He noted that he would reserve the longer sentence for Bowser's two Team Xecuter accomplices, Max Louarn and Yuanning Chen, both of whom still remain at large.
"I want the message to be clear that, under normal circumstances, I would send Mr Bowser to prison for five years," Lasnick added. "If Mr Louarn comes in front of me for sentencing, he may very well be doing double-digit years in prison for his role and his involvement, and the same with the other individual."
For their part, Bowser's lawyers noted how their client had lost 90 pounds during his time in prison due to the fact that he had been unable to get a leg condition treated. This had left him wheelchair-bound.
His legal team also explained the rather harrowing nature of his confinement:
This is a picture of a typical cell at the detention center at SeaTac. Two people live in this space. I showed this to Mr. Bowser this morning - because this is not his cell - and he said, 'Well, you know, I'm in a somewhat special cell. Mine is about 18-inches wider because it's a special cell to accommodate the wheelchair that I was using much of the time, and I get the bottom bunk because of my problem.' But there are two people here. For six months of the last 16 months, he has been locked in this sized cell, plus 18 inches, for at least 23 hours a day. During the height of Covid, they only let people out every three days to go out to take a shower for maybe a half an hour and come back.
Bowser also made a statement during the trial, explaining its impact on his personal health:
It has been a very traumatic experience for me getting arrested, coming here, going through this. This is my first time actually in a jail going through the court process and everything. And the amount of time I've spent already, 16 months in custody, a lot of that time - I spent six months, basically, locked up due to Covid. I went through all three of the Covid waves before there was even a vaccine available. I personally haven't got the vaccine [as] I am skeptical with my medical condition, how it will affect me, and I haven't been able to actually have proper medical treatment because I haven't been able to have a one-on-one with a doctor to see if the vaccine would be possible with my health conditions. When I first got arrested, I was 410 pounds. I had to use a wheelchair. I spent my life drinking, since I was age 15, after my mom died, and this is the longest time I have been sober in my life.
Bowser's legal team also noted that Bowser had made around $320k from the venture over the course of seven years – much less than the $14.5m in fines he would be asked to pay at the conclusion of the trial.
As previously reported, photos of Bowser's home did not appear to suggest a person with a large amount of personal wealth.
[source axios.com, via eurogamer.net]
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Sounds like prison is doing him good.
Oh God, for a second there, I read it as Doug Bowser.
Yes possibly ruining someone's life in order to send a message. Great strategy. They should have fined him at least a cool billion because, you know, his "partner" made a lot of money.
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This all seems pretty vindictive to me.
Not sure how I feel about this one. The guy definitely deserves prison time and there definitely needs to be a message sent out - it sucks for him that he was the one who got caught and made an example of, but like another poster said, if you can’t do the time then don’t do the crime.
However…it is a fact that people who have dealt drugs to children, or “touched” children (or adults for that matter) have gotten off easier than this! This guys whole life is ruined whereas people who do way more serious crime get off so much easier. Where are the examples being made of those people?
@Orokosaki It's sad to see that so many people think that the law is the arbiter of morality, that Switch hackers are apparently below any other criminal no matter how depraved the crime.
“To send a message”
LoL, as if that stopped any other crime. You don’t interrogate one person to scare others, you actually go for them.
I’m glad the judge at least told off Nintendo that they don’t run the system and have limits, he’s in jail on principle of his crime despite all his health conditions, not to put on a show for the world to see... and ignore anyways like every cartel. What he did is illegal but giving Nintendo that much say in what they can do themselves would’ve been more catastrophic to the industry and preservation.
I don’t even think jail time was fair, taking his computer and resource away followed by a lawsuit suit? Absolutely... jail time? He got a really short sentence but that’s excessive compared to other crimes.
It is WILD reading reactions to this as though Nintendo is a victim and this man is some cruel soulless criminal. He hacked a video game console and made less than the average teacher makes as a result. Nintendo is a billion dollar corporation that routinely exerts the same level of legal abuse as Disney over ensuring it gets every last dime from its IP despite the fact that fans spreading their IP is a large part of why they're so successful. Nintendo has made huge profits over these last 7 years, there's no evidence whatsoever that Bowser's actions hurt Nintendo in any real way. He made around $50k a year from this. That's a rounding error to Nintendo. This is corporate sadism, this man is being tortured in the US prison system because he broke a law that has little relationship to moral or public good. This is horrifying.
these articles are always a good litmus test of the bloodlust of NL's userbase, huh
step 1: save money on engineering your product
step 2: build an aggressive team of lawyers with the money you saved not developing safe products
step 3: release a product filled with security flaws
step 4: sue people who are exploiting the failures of your product
@Discipledoctor Quite.
Via google: "Disgraced former Labour peer Lord Ahmed of Rotherham has been jailed for five and a half years for sexually abusing two children in the 1970s."
I'm not a 'law-and-order' worshipper, and I appreciate this is two different jurisdictions but, the similarity in sentencing is wacky.
@somebread I tend to agree that people shouldn't get away with pirating current games (to be defined by someone else) but it's hard to disagree that 40 months in prison is an overblown response.
Shut down their business. Sue them, etc. All good.
Lock them up...!?
@somebread Nintendo fanboys would sooner cry foul about Daisy not being in the Mario football game than a nauseating display of corporate aggression.
@LordPieFace exactly! A crime is a crime. Laws are there to protect us all.
I thought it was the Bowser guy at Nintendo at first when I read this. Truthfully as much as I dislike Piracy and believe me I do I believe a hefty fine alone would have been adequate here. A Prison sentence for something like this seems a bit extreme. People have done far worse and only gotten suspended sentences but this is a debate for another day.
We should ALL consider this article to be a PSA. Can't do the time, don't do the crime. 🤷♂️
@Erigen Beat me to it I did as well.
Wait... Daisy isn't in the new Mario Strikers game???
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What kind of message? They will never be able to get Chen and the devs team from China. Gary is not a major player, just a PR man. Western market isn't the main market for them (TX) unlike LATAM and Asia. Gary is a pitiful scapegoat from Nintendo to hide their security flaws..
I'm surprised this article got a comments section, Let's see how much time until moderators decide to turn comments off.
The crimes against money are the most evil.
@Damo "His legal team also explained the rather *harrowing nature of his confinement"
Nintendo makes great games and have great characters but their corporation has gone through extreme measures for greed greed greed.
I'm surprised they didn't demand his pinky.
I am always amazed at the people on here defending commercial piracy.
the punishment does not fit the crime.
there are violent criminals who don't get sentences this severe.
cast aside the discussion of legality for a moment, and you'll see this isn't about justice. it's about corporate retribution. that doesn't send a message. it instead sets a horrific precedent of Intellectual Property holders having more rights than average civilians.
This saga would make a really boring season of Prison Break.
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Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Shame how many people defend criminals nowadays.
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Jesus Christ, this seems REALLY excessive...
How can they talk about smiles after ruining this man's life simply to "send a message"?
The punishment doesn't fit the crime.
@Orokosaki Because you certainly need to be protected from this man, don't you?
Laws are there to protect the people with enough money and influence to get around them. They're just there to screw the rest of us.
I'm interested in reading what people who are against this punishment think his punishment should've been....
A slap on the wrist?
A spanking and sent to his room?
A free license to continue stealing Nintendo games?
I just put my Switch and all it’s games in the trash can. The company is disgusting. I will no longer be helping them fund their insane court crusade. What a terrible company.
GOOD RIDDANCE NINTENDO
@Pete41608 1 year in prison and 150K fine would have been more than enough, considering the severity of the crime.
@Arkay People want justice. What people don’t want, are lives ruined over stuff like this. Justice should represent a balance; it should not represent a “moment to send a message.” I believe this mindset is a misuse of the justice system. Unless you like corporations having the ability to financially and socially ruin people in response to a petty crime?
What’s wrong with having reasonable punishments to fit the severity of the crime?
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Can't do the time, Don't do the Crime is what I say.
People here defending Mr Bowser clearly have never gotten any in trouble with the law before, and think that prison crime is excessive because "Muh Game System"
A crime is a crime, quicker you grow up, better for you.
@BloodNinja
A petty crime would be you downloading an illegal copy of a game.
This dude was literally part of a crime ring, bigger than petty.
Also, THIS made you throw all your Ninty stuff in the trash? LMAO!
@Pete41608
quite a few people have mentioned what the felt would be more apt, such as a heavy fine. Being against the severity of the punishment doesn't mean they want no punishment.
you see comments in the article claiming those who feel the punishment is going too far as "defending criminals" or throwing out the whole "if you cant do the time don't do the crime" rhetoric when a lot of the arguments are about how the "time" doesn't match the "crime"
Again its not a case of people who are against Nintendo's stance meaning they are pro piracy, often these kinds of situations aren't as simple as that
@Orokosaki No, but let's say you shoplift a $50 item and get a life sentence? I guess we should celebrate your life sentence in that scenario?
@Pete41608 Yes, because I have some spine and can say “no” to my participation in their endless litigation. Laugh all you want, but at the end of the day, I can rest my head knowing I did the right thing for myself. I’m not an addict to their systems, and don’t need them to be happy.
@TowaHerschel7 With the 3 strikes rule in some places, that very thing has happened!
@QueenKittenWrite Crimes need reasonable punishment. This sentencing can be perceived as excessive, especially considering they are ignoring his special health needs. Are you always this callous? Since when did criminals lose their basic human rights? This guy had a medical condition that was ignored...man some people on here...
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@Yorumi Took the words right out of my mouth. Nobody is saying "omg don't sentence this poor man!" People are saying, "yikes, excessive judgement, wtf." I would pin it to nuance, but it feels more like people are just completely tone-deaf in this regard.
These are the crimes of tomorrow and theft hurts everyone. Criminals should be punished according.
I wonder where the 14 million comes from if he only had 300k? Unless a criminal is lying about how much he made and they proved it in court, so he was fined 14mil.
Or if he only made 300k over 7 years, why not just get a job that because that’s not exactly a lot of money over that amount of time…
@Discipledoctor while I completely agree, that is not really a Nintendo issue. If we want harsher sentences for those who harm children (either physically/sexually or selling them addictive substances) then we should advocate for that with our local courts and legislative bodies.
While we don't have the same pocketbook Nintendo has if enough of us write in or make it clear that these are issues that are important to us the politicians will get the hint.
It’s heavy handed. The example-making thinking is just archaic and authoritarian
@CharlieGirl I completely agree, but at the end of the day despite Nintendo's lawyers recommendations (which is fair if the law says he can get that kind of sentence they can ask for it) rather it is an issue with how the legal system is setup. A judge's job is to set precedence and decide on rulings so if he felt this would send a message that is his right as a judge. But, the issue for more violent crimes being committed and us not getting proper justice has to do with how our legal system is designed. On a personal level I think those who sexually assaults' minors (those under 18) should have the book and the kitchen sink thrown at them. But, the justice system on those cases are more concerned with rehabilitation rather than punishment... something I firmly disagree with based on the studies around those who commit those crimes.
As for this crime... it's the judge who decided this not Nintendo.
@BloodNinja while I agree the sentence is very harsh I don't think Nintendo is any different from Sony, Microsoft or any large corporation who goes after these kinds of crimes. And these are serious crimes as Team Xecuter were hosting pirated software and the ways to acquire it. The judge would not had fined him the amount if it was a petty chump change Bowser and Xecuter made over the course of their enterprise.
At the end of the day supporting companies in the IT sector will lead to this no matter who you support.
@Yorumi Well as someone who has been able to successfully lobby for harsher sentences and stricter laws for those who target underage kids... it is doable. You just need to make enough noise and shake enough hands on the local level. Once you say the game is rigged so why bother the corporations win.
@Yorumi like I say, all those people downloading illegal ROMs hiding in plain sight on here are apparent merely from their comments.
This was a multi million dollar crime, I wonder if people would be so forgiving if it was themselves or their family on the receiving end?
@Orokosaki well most people's families and selves are not multi-billionaires or the corporations thereof, so that might be worth keeping in mind,
@Yorumi we aren’t on here to judge who is or isn’t good. It’s about the fundamentals of right and wrong. The punishment fits the crime.
Welcome to 2022, crime is applauded while justice is chastised.
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@Wexter That's fair and reasonable. When those companies decide to press very, very hard into people for piracy by unfairly leveraging the legal system against people with no defense against it, then I'll distance myself from them, as well. I have no problem doing so. Life is short, and while computers are nice, I'm fine minimizing how much I interact with them for the sake of knowing I did the right thing. Time will tell.
My main beef with the whole thing is that the actual damage that was caused to Nintendo pales in comparison to their response in court. Nintendo is fine! They profited even amidst team Xecutor's shenanigans. If Nintendo LOST profits and it caused damage to their market shares or something to the point where they actually started to NOT profit, I might think differently. But, Nintendo is continually profiting, to the point where they opened a theme park and are extending their business into movies. They can cry me a river with their dirty money.
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@Orokosaki There are thousands of ROM website still up and running. Doesn't that make you take pause? If it's illegal, all those sites are incredibly easy to find. They aren't exactly hiding. Why aren't the ones that are running shut down yet, if it's illegal? Seems like there needs to be a certain TYPE of download practice that needs to occur before it's considered illegal...
@PtM the guys lost 90lbs and gotten off the demon drink, he's doing well.
@BloodNinja This is where you lose me. Nintendo has a right to pursue damages in the form of pirated software. Let's say Breath of the Wild goes on sale for $30 and someone was on the fence about getting it or they can pay team Xecutor to allow them to get Breath of the Wild, Metroid Dread and others first-party titles for FREE! That is damage even though Breath of the Wild is one of the best-selling Switch games. Piracy might not be a lost sale, but it is a missed opportunity to make a sale and that is a distinction a lot of people forget.
We cannot treat this as a black and white issue of Nintendo making a profit, so it is okay to pirate their software despite losing out on opportunities to make a sale. As Nintendo is also setting precedence for smaller publishers to go after these same people. It was not just Nintendo first-party titles being pirated, but also small indie games as well. See how this is not a black and white issue of big mean Nintendo going after the little guy? Even though said little guy know what he was doing was illegal, charge for it and did it anyway. As hosting pirated software and how to get pirated software also damaged indi-sales on the eShop. The judge also ignored Nintendo's lawyer's recommendations and just did what he felt was the correct punishment... so it's not even Nintendo's decision and it was not just in Nintendo's interest for them to pursue it, but also their partners large and small.
That and Sony and Microsoft do this all the time, but because their business is not just games related you might not hear about it. Here are some examples
https://torrentfreak.com/sony-wins-pirate-site-blocking-order-against-dns-resolver-quad9-210621/#:~:text=(Updated)
https://www.techspot.com/news/76838-sony-sues-man-after-allegedly-sold-jailbroken-ps4.html
And I remind you every company either goes after pirates in a court of law, uses DMCA to take down videos, films and games off pirate sites, or lobbies for harsher fines and stricter laws. So hope you're ready to dispose of any Apple computers/phones, dispose of anything released by Google, not run a computer with Windows that is running on an AMD, Intel or Nivida hardware, toss away your Sony PlayStations, Nintendo products, and Microsoft hardware AND unsubscribe from Disney Plus, Amazon Prime and Netflix. Every tech company does at least one of these things... so on the bright side you'll get a lot of fresh air.
Put it on the ground/ live 1984!
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@Orokosaki don't do the crime if you won't do the time, right?
@somebread you said it yourself!
@Wexter um. My comment had nothing to do with the book 1984.
It was a title to a song from a live album that was recorded in 1984 called:
"IWW Rebel Voices: Songs Of The Industrial Workers Of The World (Live / 1984)"
@Wexter Nobody is saying they shouldn't pursue damages. Pursuing the RIGHT AMOUNT of damages feels like a more appropriate use of their corporate power. I have no problem with that. I have a major problem with "making an example" of people. That's archaic and serves nobody.
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@BloodNinja his punishment fit the crime, I’ve zero sympathy for him.
So long, Gary Bowser!
@Orokosaki I wanna see if you'd think it was justified if it happened to you, it'd be funny. Imagine if you suffered from severe health conditions and had to put your life at risk because Daddy Company™ wished so.
Also you seem to be the one who's lacking knowledge here, while all pirating is illegal, you're not getting arrested for downloading pirated games, companies don't bother with that.
If you're gonna bother to say "I see you're just a pirate like the rest of them." I'll just tell you, look at yourself and a mirror, and grow up already.
Dude what is going on anymore with some of the NL users
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This comment section might have to get closed at this rate.
@Arkay
A lot of people have a Robin Hood complex: Big corporation is bad so therefore committing a crime against them is partially justified and should be very lightly punished.
This definitely send the message to the next PR guy I guess.
The message is simple. Don't mess with nintendo.
There’s certain NL posterswho think it’s their god given right to pirate every new game Nintendo or other wise. Somebody who I won’t name was whining as nobody had pirated Paprium and he wouldn’t pay to buy it off the Store(because he should have it free)
It seems clear some people didn’t read the article as it says the fine he was given was a tiny amount compared to the money he made.
@Shadow_Dancer 15 million in fines is about 50x more than the $320k the article says he made, wym?
^^^. I think I was half asleep when I read that but you are right. He made far less from the venture over the course of seven years – much less than the $14.5m in fines he would be asked to pay at the conclusion of the trial from the Big N.
I have no problems with them putting on Old Nintendo Arcade games like Space Firebird, Sheriff etc that Nintendo refuses to release or old games in general. It’s just new games if people pirate new games less devs make new games and it’s less choice for gamers.
I actually read comments on NL that all new Switch releases should be available freely for them to pirate on day of release.
The fact that Bowser "only" made $320K for participating in the crime implies that he got screwed over and manipulated by the other Team Xecutor members, which is entirely his own fault.
@PtM it does when you're 410lbs.
Nintendo ruined this man's life, gave him more debt than he could ever repay in his life, sent him to prison for far too long and ruined his health too by that.
He was not the leader of this hacking group, he was a small fry that was paid $320k over the course of 7 years, living in a run-down apartment in a poor country while others made millions and continue to live lavish lifes. Nintendo demands 15 Million from this man.
@Arkay okay, not trying to be rude, but if this guy was hacking PlayStation 5's would you be saying the same thing? Genuinely curious.
A lot of Nintendo fans love to be all gung ho about law and order, but when this stuff happens to Sony, not a peep.
Almost like they only care when it's Daddy Nintendo's bottom line at stake.
@Orokosaki I love it when people defend a company that would gladly round them up and shoot them for an extra dollar.
Judging by your comments, it really is true what they say about Nintendo fans.
"Nintendo could kill someone and their fans would just buy tickets".
@ThomastheTankEngine yeah, I'd still be saying the same thing.
But this is a Nintendo site, right? Would make sense if a good chunk of news here is Nintendo related and not Playstation related.
Hey as long as you aren't a hypocrite, that's good.
I know the guy broke the law and all, but I don't think Nintendo's the good guy here. They do a lot to enable piracy.
A wise man once said "Piracy is a service problem, not a price problem".
Nintendo has failed to combat piracy which is why the mod scene for their consoles is so large. PlayStation and Xbox have much smaller mod scenes, and even then, when people want to hack those consoles, they put old Nintendo games on it.
Pulling an Adobe with classic games, making games limited time commodities for no good reason, and not transferring games between console generations are some good examples of why people are fed up with Nintendo.
Like, do you really think what Nintendo's doing is going to do anything to combat piracy?
Rather than making a service like GamePass where you can play games day one for free, or buy games at a discount, they add shovelware to their old emulators on NSO at an irregular basis.
What's going to be the option to play a Nintendo 64 game like, Star Fox 64 when the Nintendo Wii U and 3DS eShops shut down? Your only options will either be to buy aging hardware and a used copy whose prices will be jacked up well above their original retail prices by that point, or to rent it on Switch forever, $50 a year with no monthly options, where it probably won't even work correctly given how little Nintendo cares about their service.
What if I want to play Jak and Daxter? I can buy it on PS5. What if I want to Conker Live and Reloaded? I can buy it on Xbox.
What if I want to play Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door? Pay over $300 for a used copy, and buy old hardware to do so with no guarantee of the quality. No way to buy and play it on modern hardware.
Like, when this is the case for every first party Nintendo game from any console of theirs before the Wii, do you really have to wonder why piracy is so rampant with Nintendo?
Yes, I know its illegal, and what this guy did is illegal. This is true and repeating that it's illegal isn't really going to do anything.
The reality is, whether you or Nintendo like it or not, piracy will always exist. You can't stomp it out, it's like a hydra. If you try to chop off a head, two more grow.
How do you minimize it? Valve, Sony, Microsoft, and Sega figured it out. Offer as many of your games as possible for a reasonable price and don't be scummy about it (Mario ROM Collection).
It's very hard for me and others to be sympathetic when Nintendo complains about piracy nonstop but does nothing to effectively fight it. It's not about "celebrating crime".
I can bet you if this guy was pirating indie games, then this comment section would be near unanimously against him. It's about the uncomfortable truth that Nintendo has been burning goodwill at an impressive rate during the Switch era. The meme "it's always morally correct to pirate Nintendo" was pretty much nonexistent during the Iwata era, but now it's a very true catchphrase because of how scummy Nintendo is during the Switch era.
Just wanted to give you the perspective of the people who aren't thrilled at the thought of Nintendo continuing their fruitless endeavors against piracy and why we're annoyed with their tyrannical attitude. Let's be honest, if any other company pulled close to the amount of cheap stunts Nintendo did during the Switch era, they'd be cancelled so fast it wouldn't even be funny lmao.
@ThomastheTankEngine I hate it when people defend criminals and people who think just because it’s illegally downloading Nintendo ROMs then it’s somehow not a crime. The guy broke the law, plain and simple and the millions of dollars he stole are simply part of a huge criminal organisation…….but hey, it’s only a Mario World ROM.
@Orokosaki okay first off, I doubt you’d be this in favor of “law and order” if it were Sony he was stealing from.
Second, everyone knows its illegal, but just because its illegal doesn’t make it immoral.
If you really care about understanding those who disagree with you just look at my other comment.
@ThomastheTankEngine I don’t own any Sony consoles. Of course it’s immoral.
@Orokosaki that doesn’t surprise me since Nintendo’s most ardent defenders don’t have a frame of reference with how normal companies treat their consumers with respect.
On Steam, PlayStation, Xbox, you can buy and keep legacy content for a fair price. Something not possible on Nintendo’s console. That’s where a lot of the complaints come from given how atrocious Nintendo is with their back catalogue.
Why is it immoral? Because you like the company?
I’d say normally piracy is immoral against any company not named Nintendo. Companies like Sony, Microsoft, and Sega do what they can to make their older games available for purchase on modern platforms, and the good faith effort means piracy of their products is immoral.
Piracy of Nintendo’s products, even new ones, is always morally correct since they are the greediest company in gaming and the last company deserving of your money.
Just curious, what’s your opinion on Adobe?
Do you guys still sympathize with Gary Bowser, even if you find he is a millionaire by the piracy business?
According to Max Louarn, "The press showed that Gary Bowser was living in poverty in a tin shack in the Dominican Republic, although Team Xecuter is ALL millionaires."
I am not sure why US press does not wants to reveal this fact.
See the article:
https://www.lemonde.fr/police-justice/article/2022/05/27/voler-des-societes-qui-font-des-milliards-qu-est-ce-que-j-en-ai-a-faire-max-louarn-c-ur-de-hackeur_6127821_1653578.html
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