If you subscribe to Nintendo's official YouTube channel, you might have noticed over the past day that it has uploaded its Switch Online overview trailer again. Despite being a fresh upload, the dislikes already outnumber the likes.
At the time of writing, there are around 5K likes and 15K dislikes. Here's a sample of one of the thousands of comments:
"Uploading this online trailer a million times is not going to change the fact that we’re still against it."
While it's got some viewers thinking Nintendo is trying to get a more positive reception out of its fanbase, it seems this is likely not the case.
As noted by a few other comments underneath the same video, towards the end of the trailer there's now footage of the new Switch Online exclusive, PAC-MAN 99. There's also some Animal Crossing: New Horizons gameplay in there, so it's definitely an updated video.
"They added Pacman 99 to the trailer at 2:43. That's it. That's why they reuploaded it."
Still, it's not the best look when this trailer keeps getting uploaded and the dislikes significantly outnumber the likes.
Although the Switch Online service might not have the best reputation among the fanbase, the service is not exactly struggling. As of September last year, it has now accumulated more than 26 million subscribers.
So, how can Nintendo make the rest of its fanbase happy? Apparently all it would take is a library of Nintendo 64 games:
This isn't the first time we've seen headlines about companies re-uploading game trailers. Last year, The Pokémon Company re-uploaded a video of Pokémon Unite on multiple occasions.
1) If they give us Bluetooth headset with mic voice chat native.
( it’s half way there as we have native just wired headset)
2) give us N64 online classics
3) link the rewards to the club rewards and add better ones.
Other than that I’m happy
I know some people want more from the service but this seems a bit... random.
Sorry to nitpick, but could you please list who wrote the comments whenever you pull up one of them. I see so many gaming news quote comments without bothering to list who wrote them. And they're usually ones that didn't even get a lot of traction anyway (such as the first tweet) but were worthy enough of being quoted despite being something anyone else could have said (doesn't apply to the one I'm talking about by the way).
Why am I not surprised, they need to make this subscription worth it
Gotta fill that daily article quota.
@Anti-Matter ok, but who cares what you do?
I would rather some new AAA in house studio games.
Over 4 years since BOTW.
Over 4 years since Mario Kart. Sort of remake.
Nearly 4 years since Mario Odyssey.
Nearly 4 years since Splatoon 2.
Take out the big 2nd party games and what have Nintendo in house studios been doing.
We convinced Paramount to change their ways and they did.
I guess that we cantry do the same with Nintendo, but, honestly, I'm not sure anymore.
It is Nintendo we're talking about, after all. Remakes of games at full price and no new games released.
I think they reuploaded it like at least twice in the past few days? Either way I really do wonder if all the dislikes the video keeps getting is telling them that, hey, maybe we should improve our service a little bit more. I'd definitely love some N64 action, but I can see the four player stuff for that one being a reason for them not to go for that one. I can see them adding Game Boy before N64 because of this.
But I don't see either one being that likely at this point unfortunately.
"Uploading this online trailer a million times is not going to change the fact that we’re still against it"
And disliking this online trailer a million times is not going to change the fact that millions of people in the audience aren't. 😏 Even pretending to worry about fake internet points royally issued by fanship-infested individuals is thankfully becoming an atavism among the industry. Corporations and businesses aren't exempt from disillusionment with the internet either, y'know.
Good to see enough sane heads noticing and spelling out the simple and boringly non-fan-centric reason for the reupload. Not that the collective fandom ego will hear any of it.
Surprised they haven't just hidden the ratio and disabled the comments.... That'll probably be their next move.
Gee i wonder why it's getting disliked? Maybe because it sucks. I mean this far along and no N64 or even Gamecube games which btw have still to this day not been offered in any digital form? Oh and don't even get me started on the subscription only bs and killing the VC. I guess wanting to actually own the games is asking too much so here you can rent them for a monthly fee. All that money i spent on VC games. Yeah I'll dislike that!
Mama Mia come on Nintendo, time to take note of your gamers???!! VC does not have to be a treasured memory from the WIIU days
Nintendo's approach to online is abysmal (that smartphone app LOL) they deserve the dislikes.
@Lord @Yosher if they can charge us for N64 games then I can’t see them giving them to us for free.
I would say gameboy or gameboy advance is next but those games would fit perfect on a gameboy or gameboy advance classic. So I assume they will come to NSO only after a classic is released.
So my prediction is the next system added will be virtual boy. They couldn’t sell those games individually and there would never be a virtual boy classic. So this is my bet.
Btw I too think NSO needs some work.
It's that time of year that I remind everyone that if they have 7 friends, NSO costs £4/year. I'd like gameboy games rather than N64, but I get my money's worth already.
"Although the Switch Online service might not have the best reputation among the fanbase, the service is not exactly struggling. As of September last year, it has now accumulated more than 26 million subscribers."
Goes to show that people can dislike the product's trailer all they want, but as long as those numbers remain high, Nintendo has little reason to actually improve the service.
Uhhh who cares?
@Yosher The video's had 3 different forms from what I've seen:
Rather than n64 games I would love more frequent game trials and free indie games made available through the service.
Babies. If they are complaining at 10 quid a YEAR, then they aren't paying for their own electricity. Sure, it would be nice to have some features, but the library is growing.
Whilst I don’t think switch online is great I don’t think it’s as bad as it’s made out to be I have put some ridiculous hours into the snes games even tho I have a snes mini it’s just convenient for me to play these on switch it does need an update n64 and GameCube would be welcome but people need to remember the price it’s seriously cheap Nintendo need to up their game pls don’t do a sega and ignore your history
@sixrings That is kind of flawed logic since they could also charge us for NES/SNES games but made those part of the NSO experience. No reason they can't also include N64 or GB(A) games in this lineup. Plus, the NES and SNES classics released in 2016 and 2017 respectively, so if they wanted to make more classic consoles like them, I feel like they would have done so by now.
Plus, for Virtual Boy games, they would have to rework their graphics or at least recolor them to keep them from having that headache-inducing red and black color scheme, not to mention they never rereleased Virtual Boy games before while they have rereleased N64, GameBoy and GBA games before (and in fact are the only ones that are missing from Nintendo's legacy systems that were once included in virtual console services).
Not to mention that they definitely could sell us Virtual Boy games individually if they actually did rework their graphics/colors. Because let's be real, who here played this system? I have one, but I barely ever played it because it's so incredibly awkward to play, even setting the headache issues aside.
@Grumblevolcano Wasn't talking about what it contained content-wise as I didn't watch any reuploads myself, I just thought I noticed it being uploaded at least twice within a week. Of course I could be wrong. But that's still interesting to see how they've updated the video over time!
My body is ready for whatever Nintendos take on achievements/trophies would be.
It's annoying that you can't even chat to friends from the dashboard - even just IM them would be enough.
Maybe I'm a dinosaur from a bygone era but i don't play games online. Didn't need to then and don't now. Forcing me to be online to play Nes and snes games is beyond stupid. Let alone expecting me to pay for a subscription to do so.
@Zeldafan79 You can play all the NES and Super NES games offline as they are available through the apps, not through the cloud. You just had to be an NSO member to download those apps. Once the apps are download you can access all games.
"Uploading this online trailer a million times is not going to change the fact that we’re still against it."
Truly a cause worth fighting for. Stand tall, soldier.
@Donnerkebab I'm afraid that's not how irony works.
Nintendo had a decent free online service with Wii U, surprisingly enough, but then stripped features, made it worse and started charging for it. Now they're surprised people dislike it?
It's truly a case of you get what you pay for, which is how they get away with it. Yeah, it's cheap....but you don't get much, lacking even basic functionality.
This is a bad service - I cancelled my subscription because of input lag in the SNES app and bought an original SNES instead.
Yeah, let's just say as that Nintendo fan who's a PC gamer, I have very strong opinions about paying to play games I already paid for online.
@Donnerkebab Nah man, 10 quid a year is fine for what it is. Any cheaper, it would be free lol! I just don't understand folk wanting it to turn into a 15 quid a month service.
Continuing to take away something that was once free, with little tangible benefit and a continued display of and incompetent service not even worth paying for... all while online remains completely free on platforms such as PC. You can give us Tetris 99 and Pac-Man and what have you, but we're really paying for the thing that was taken away from us.
"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?"
Among many things, I will hate NSO even more if Splatoon 3 doesn't have that much offline content. NSO pretty much ruined any chance for me to keep playing Splatoon 2.
I mean here is a thought they could idk make it um whats the word um BETTER.
Still sounds like a few people upset on the internet, most of the online userbase will be happy with the online service.
@Entrr_username Well, you need it to play online. It's a monopoly. A cheap one, though.
I don't even care about the retro games on offer. I'd rather just buy the ones we want.
@Yosher well it’s all in your perspective if it’s flawed logic. My view is that they charged us for NES and SNES on VC before. Then they charged us for those same games bundled together on NES classic and SNES classic. In order to make NSO attractive they had to find something to give us. Sure they could have charged us for those same NES and SNES games again but it looks like they thought they had gotten as much out of those games as they could so through those games in for a subscription charge. Again they haven’t released a gameboy classic or gba classic so they haven’t milked that well dry yet so I don’t believe they are coming. On the other hand we see games like Turok a N64 game or Doom 64 being rereleased at decent prices. If Nintendo can get $15-20 out of each N64 game then it seems far more profitable to release those games individually than to include it in a $20 year subscription. This is just my take, but respectfully it maybe a different view than yours but there is logic in it.
Quick google search. There are 22 virtual boy games and 11 published by Nintendo. I’m sure Nintendo could rework 11 games. And yes Nintendo could charge for these games individually but the whole point of a subscription is to give just enough that the subscription seems worth while. I think Nintendo would much prefer the headache of converting 11 games than releasing their N64 game collection for a subscription service. It just seems to generous to give away those 64 games and it doesn’t represent the Nintendo I know.
I never had an N64 (or a SNES actually) so I'm not longing for any of the games.
I probably would have wanted to play Mario 64, but I've got that sorted now.
Would like GB/C/A but we just know that they're not going to be able to include Tetris...
As Ghost_of_Hasashi already said, the NES and SNES games are not cloud games that needs to be streamed. You download them and can play them all offline. They are local games just like all the games you buy digitally on the E-Shop.
Once a while you need to be online though, for Nintendo to check that you are still subscribing to their service. A license check. This is only required every 7 day or so, and if you are away from home for a long time and this happens, you just quickly connect to your Phone with WiFI hotspot to let the license check happen. Doesn't use much data at all and is no big deal.
This is how it works when you "rent" the games though a service. GamePass is working like that as well. It's all still all local games running on your hardware, that you need to download. But a license check is always required from time to time.
Really online service without chat it's really missing the point.
This is actually one of my favorite videos Nintendo has. Seeing the Mario characters interact with each other outside of the games always puts a smile on my face.
@ArtiomNLS I don't think Nintendo are going to go back from paid online. It's like paid DLC and season passes, once it's widely accepted not having it actually puts you at a disadvantage to the competition.
A company would only do it if they know they can get an edge on the competition. But last gen showed that paid online was never a dealbreaker based on how the WiiU performed compared to PS4 and XOne. And even the 7th gen with how the 360 was never actually disadvantaged by being the only paid online system.
Nintendo is starting to act like Nintendo again. They are on top of the competitors and they couldn't care less what complain the customers want as long as Switch is selling.
What NSO need is simple. Parody with PS4/Xbox in terms of features.
*Party chat (even if through the app)
*Messaging to friends
*System wide game invites
*A better profile system
*Servers and Netcode that work like other platforms
Nobody is mad at Xbox because Xbox Live doesn't give enough old games with their sub. They are happy because the online works and people can communicate and make friends on the network. That is WHY people pay and have done since the OG Xbox.
I knew the part about Nes and snes aren't streaming but like you said after a while it still requires that you be online. On VC i could download the games to my system and never be online again to play them. That way unless your games get deleted you can own them forever. Once the switch online dies that's it the games are gone! That's the part that i don't like.
I reckon GBA will be the next addition to NSO, not N64. That's how it went with Wii U VC.
In terms of value for money, the service is decent, but it doesn't appeal to gamers at all, on face value it's something parents will get for their kids because of the value for money it offers.
But in terms of giving the fans what they want, it doesn't even come close.
It's essentially Nintendo choosing what older games they think we want and being consistently wrong about it again and again.
They uploaded this again in hopes that the gaming community will not bother mass disliking it this time.
That hasn't worked and all it's actually done is bred more contempt from Nintendo to its fans. Nintendo knows it's the gaming community that come online to dislike their video's. Nintendo's main target audience is parents and children, they do cater to adult gamers too but their main focus is kids and parents.
Kid's and parents don't try and rip Nintendo's IPs, they don't mod their Switches, they don't homebrew, they don’t make roms and emulators, they dont get DNC'd by Nintendo.
The gaming community however literally has every single one of those things, which is great. But Nintendo hates us, they wish they could get parents and kids in the same numbers they had for the Wii consistently, so they can totally abandon the gaming community.
Unfortunately the Wii U showed them that the market they feel most comfortable in catering too (casual, kids and parents), actually isn't too reliable and if gamers say the product is bad then parents and casuals wont buy it for their kids.
Nintendo has shown a ridiculous level of contempt and dislike for the gaming community, especially recently but they know they need to continue to cater to that community.
But gamers and Nintendo will ALWAYS be at odds with each other, because Nintendo HATE what they gaming community want to do with their IPs.
@Ghost_of_Hasashi To be fair, Nintendo acted like Nintendo during the Wii U years too when they were at the bottom of the pile.
@GrailUK I agree cause all I need is cloud saves and online play. Don't want to pay more just for 2freegames/month I will most likely not play. I thought Xbox gold was good for the 360 gen though cause you actually kept the free games even if you unsubscribe later on. This was how I built my 360 library back then and still have a lot of them installed to this day.
@Razer They seem to like the gaming community when their consoles are underperforming like GameCube and Wii U... 😏
To be fair when they uploaded the trailer again this week it was dubbed in Spanish and they added Pac-Man 99 gameplay to the special offers segment and removed the sadly defunct Super Mario Bros. 35. Definitely unnecessary to continually re-upload a mostly identical trailer and maybe it is to reset dislike ratios but they did make minute changes at least this time.
I am with you on that.
To me, wanting a service more like PS+ or Live, seems just incredibly selfish.
I just want to be able to play online, which shouldn't cost anything but with Nintendo at the very least it is very cheap.
The other services do not offer ME anything I actually care about, so if I only want to play online the Sony and Microsoft services are just objectively much worse.
Those people who like all the "free" stuff they are getting on other systems should be aware that a huge part of the bills are being payed by people who have to pay even if they don't want to at all.
But of course, from the perspective of someone who wants these "free" games it is great to have others pay for part of the bill.
@Clyde_Radcliffe that's what i mean, they begrudgingly know they NEED the gaming community for their products to be successful.
Because if gamers say their hardware sucks then the magazines write about it and parents won't buy it for their kids.
Which is basically what happened with the Wii U, the casual market didn't come to it because the gaming market laughed at it.
Outside of that dynamic, they literally hate gamers with a passion because they actually send lawyers all over the world to go after any gamer that uses Nintendo's IPs in any way Nintendo doesn't like.
Not many companies go that far out of their way to do that, Nintendo, especially in the last 3 years, have shown a mind blowing level of contempt for hardcore gamers who purchase their products.
This situation will only further that contempt. Which i find hilarious personally, because soon Nintendo will be back on their knees again. I feel it coming.
I'm sure people are upset because the Switch started without obligatory subscription and now they have to pay for very little benefits.
If the Switch had been released with free NES and SNES games, everyone would be saying it's an incredible deal.
@Rhaoulos I’d happily give up the free NES and SNES games in order to have free online like the Wii U again.
I’d rather see the virtual console return.
I’ll pay extra to permanently buy and download the games I want. 90% of the NSO games I played for a minute to see what it’s like and that’s it. Just give us a 5 minute demo of each game. It doesn’t take long to realize NES soccer isn’t for me...
Animal crossing? Link's awakening remake? The upcoming botw 2 and Splatoon 3? Xenoblade games? Smash Bros?
Seriously stop pushing this is bs narrative that they're lazy or absent.
Nintendo don't own a big bunch of studios and instead collaborate with other developers to release great software, take your hat off
@Rhaoulos I was never big on the service due to the lack of communication features, but that may change with the recent Bluetooth audio rumors.
$20 a year seems like a reasonable price to me, given what is being offered. If someone disagrees, that's fine. The outrage and the pettiness of horde disliking of a video seem childish.
@Burning_Spear you and many like you seem to be missing the point.
As a parent i can see what you mean, it gives great value for money, some 80 or so games for £18 a year is ridiculous value for money, the ability to play online should be free but the free games they have provided, one would need to be a fool to pass that up.
But you are totally missing the point because this service literally caters to parents so they buy the online for their kids, its why the family plan exists.
This service DOES NOT cater to the gaming community, it doesn't even come close, the gaming community isn't interested in how much rubbish software you throw into the library, old games are old games. Their not biting and they didn't bite when the service was announced, it literally gives NOTHING that gamers have been asking for.
No new games
No dedicated servers
No voice chat
No lobbying feature to play with friends
No direct messaging feature
Now guess who goes online to throw their opinions about whats good and what isn't when it comes to video games?
I'll give you a clue.
It's not the people who Nintendo are targeting with this service.
Man, just how petty does one have to be to go back to a trailer reuploaded with a bit of new content to reinstate your dislike for it? It's fine if you're not thrilled with what Switch Online has to offer but Nintendo reuploading its trailer is not some personal war against you.
@Razer I have a clue, and $20 seems worthwhile to me. Why the anger?
@Burning_Spear read EVERYTHING i wrote.
@Nourldean LOL your check from Kyoto marketing department is in the mail. "Brand new" Skyward Sword is the marquee release coming out soon... how exciting...not... maybe we will get a mario kart wii port next year....smh
Still not worthwhile for me. I would have considered it if Pokémon HOME was included as standard, but a separate AU$25ish annual fee PLUS the cost of Pokémon Bank on 3DS?
Why does everyone care about getting N64 classics anyway? It will be missing Rare's games, the third party games were often middling compared to the PS1.
The rumors I keep hearing is that they will skip the N64 and go to the Gamecube and GBA.
That is fine with me, both of those systems are vastly superior to the N64.
If you don't want to pay for the service that's fine. If you don't see the personal value, that's fine
But if you're so pissed off that Nintendo is offering online play, special discounts, a catalogue of 60 NES and SNES games, and some in game rewards for TWENTY FREAKING DOLLARS A FREAKING YEAR, or $35 for up to EIGHT accounts that you feel you have to down vote a video telling people about it ...
You need help. Like seriously, grow the F up.
5k likes to 15k dislike ratio.
Nintendo corporate: "The people have spoken and they dont like online gaming. Next console will be offline only using different cartridges, that way we can resell them the Switch library - they went mad for it with the wii-U ports so that's obviously what they want!!"
@sixrings With all due respect I stick with my original point of view and say that N64 or Gameboy NSO being added is more likely than Virtual Boy. IF they will even offer N64 games on the system to begin with, aside from the limited SM64 in 3D All Stars. They may just be saving them for when they feel like NSO subscribers are dropping the subscription too much and need more incentive to resubscribe.
Meanwhile barely anybody has played Virtual Boy games so people are more likely to pay for these games than they are for N64 or Gameboy games. At least.. the few good ones that were actually there. Truthfully I don't see them bringing back anything Virtual Boy related at all, aside from a little cameo here and there.
@15roundTKO I was calling out his BS, and I can call out yours too.
If you think skyward sword is the only release coming this year, you're an idiot
I feel like the only person who doesn't hate the online thing. It was inevitable they would eventually start charging and it costs very little, especially compared to other platforms. If you can afford a Switch you can probably afford the online service which costs what, 20 dollars a year?. Otherwise, don't pay for it. I don't know why anyone ever had an expectation for N64 games either.
But what do I know, I'm just an onion.
Man, this is a clear reminder of why I try to avoid comments sections. They just added pac man to the special offers, nothing more. It's even in the article. Not that the majority reads anything other than the headline. Good look with your made up drama people.
It’s funny, when the paid version of Switch online first came out I thought it was a ripoff. We had to pay to play games online that PC players play for free, and the online experience was way worse than competing consoles with most games. The NES games weren’t enough to win me over. No hate on the NES, but those games just don’t do much for me these days.
However now... I don’t mind paying at all. The SNES app is great and even though Mario 35 is gone now, I love playing Pac-Man 99. If they just make the servers better for their first-party titles then I think it’s actually a decent deal. I wouldn’t even mind paying extra if they begin to through N64 or GBA games at us!
@Onion You're not. It's absolutely fine.
@HeadPirate you need to realise that the service offers NOTHING that the majority of people have been ASKING FOR.
It gives great value for money for parents, it has the family plan, kids get like 80 games and they get to play online, parents get all that for less than a cost of a video game every year.
But it isn't parents and their kids who go online to give their opinion about these types of services.
It's gamers who do that, you want to know what gamers didn't get?
We got no dedicated servers
We got no newer games
We got no voice chat feature
We got no party lobbying feature
We got no multimedia features (Netflix, Prime ect)
I own a Switch, i pay for the online (or rather, i paid for it, once), i did NOT getting the service i wanted.
I would seriously need help if i didn't give my opinion about that and didn't dislike it based on what i want from the service, considered it has given me next to no value other than playing some games online.
@Razer, if you want to complain about the lack of Netflix or Amazon Prime Video, you can go and harass Netflix and Amazon since harassing Nintendo isn’t doing anything.
As always, the money is what matters. How many of those dislikes bought into the service anyway?
I saw it in my sub feed, clicked on it, disliked it, and then clicked off.
I think people had too high expectations, and are still overreacting expecting more.
People still put too much stock into Dedicated Servers and Netcode believing it will magically make Smash Ultimate’s online better. (Where it’s actually a matter of data distribution methods:
Game stuttering frame by frame > players warping all over the place for the sake of flow.)
The online-enabled NES and SNES games are a good VALUE.
I think people are over the “all games not having the Save Data Cloud feature” melarky
The App for Chat isn’t as terrible as people make it out to be, and also provides the interesting utility of stat tracking and so on.
Tetris 99, (The Late) Super Mario Bros. 35, PAC-MAN 99, the NES and SNES controllers are all pretty sweet offers (Tetris 99 and PAC-MAN 99 alone justifies it for some people)
@Zacattack99 Netflix have stated numerous times that they would be happy to put their service on the Switch but Nintendo hasn't allowed it.
How much truth is in that, im not 100% certain but with Netflix seemingly willing to put their services on anything with a screen (including older Nintendo hardware). I'm guessing its true.
So it's actually Nintendo who are not allowing it.
@Dezzy70 Look at all other AAA studios, Naughty Dog etc... they all take 5 years-plus to make games these days. They take much longer
@Savino It’s Nintendo’s way of justifying supporting online games like Splatoon 2 and Animal Crossing beyond the initial launch. Justifies the cost of the event organisation and the updates
Go ahead, complain all you want, it's not affecting their business model because the coworker that bought her Switch purely for Animal Crossing does not care about the value proposition of NSO.
There, I did my part. Another fresh dislike. If they add Mario RPG (in it's 25th anniversary, no less) I might change my opinion.
I would like a cheaper Switch Online sub that's just online accesss & cloud back up. I don't want Nintendo confusing my my buying an NSO subscription with wanting 2D pixel games.
Put those resources toward Mario Kart 9. My money is ready.
Sadly, this is why YouTube is removing the dislike button.
Make a crap service, you get flack for it. Seems deserved
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Youtube is experimenting with disabling dislikes probably because of this and the Whitehouse channel.
If you find yourself defending a massive corporation and think the best route is to tell everyone who dislikes the subpar product to "grow the F up", you might wanna rethink things my guy
@Zeldafan79 "Maybe I'm a dinosaur from a bygone era but i don't play games online. Didn't need to then and don't now. Forcing me to be online to play Nes and snes games is beyond stupid. Let alone expecting me to pay for a subscription to do so"
There isn't a group of gamers in the world that come from an era the today that are willing to play modern consoles yet don't play anything online, yet still comment on internet gaming sites. It's certainly your prerogative, but it isn't because of any 'era'. The very concept of "didn't need to then and don't now" is adorably curmudgeonly of you, but it doesn't mean much. You didn't need to "then" presumably because you couldn't to begin with and you don't need to now because nobody NEEDS to ever, they just want to or choose to.
No one is forcing you to do anything and no one is expecting you to do anything. It's just a service that's there if you want to use it. What is the point in trying to be righteously indignant over not using a service that's simply available to you, like this or Netflix or anything else? No one is strongarming you or anything.
@tendonerd Well YouTube did say they made that decision based on feedback from content creators. Guess we know which YouTube channel they were in contact with...
@nhSnork Basically this. It's a pretty simple reason to reupload the video. It's not even just a matter of reuploading because of the new footage of Pac-man 99, it's also because hundreds of people complained in the old video that it had footage of Mario 35, griping that it was ridiculous that they had a new video of NSO with footage from a game that was no longer available. They took it down, reworked it, reposted it, then people are angry that they did so.
@Yosher well if it wasn’t for the classics line I would totally agree without second thoughts. Anyways I do think GB and GBA games will make the NSO list before 64. I just can’t see how they won’t want to monetize each 64 game as long as they can. That or add them to bundles the way Mario 64 was making a bundle seem like a bigger deal than it really is.
it will always come down to the fact theyre making us pay for a retro game subscription, and not better quality online
@Zacattack99 but I’m not interested in the value of nes or snes games being bundled with the service.
What I would like to be able to do is message my nephew who lives hours away from me. Then invite him to a game. Then play the game with my nephew with native voice chat.
Somehow I could have done these things on wii u in call of duty black ops 2 for free.
I really need to unsubscribe from their channel
@Deltath for the record, I still prefer single player myself, for a whole number of reasons. Never had an urge to play CGC games online either. But if you exclude this remote multiplayer (on the very basis of "not playing games online"), I'm left puzzled where the comment in question even finds the alleged necessity to "be online for NES and SNES games" in the apps that only demand the connection for occasional license checkups otherwise. I even just launched NES app in flight mode to see if I missed an update or something... nope, the games themselves work just the same. "Play Online" is literally a standalone option in the app menu.🤔
Wtf? Are people upset about Nkntendo Online too? I'm happy about it, and I play online like a few time a year and mostly play snes games from time to time. Sure, I'd like more, always more, gimme gimme, but it's a service, it does what it does. Is there something wrong with it? It is really cheap, that is for sure, is that what people don't like?
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@NinjaWaddleDee at the retro stores around me a copy of A link to the past is, is over 100 dollars. Paying for switch online for 5 years for just that game is cheaper then buying the snes ans a copy.
@sixrings how many hours does your nephew live away from the Switch?
@Luigisghost669 Or you could go with good old fashioned emulation.
@nhSnork Yeah, I have no idea why he said that and forgot to make the same point. I guess he's upset that it ever has to do a check-in because he "never needed" internet before so apparently there's no reason or right to "need" it now? As if the entire world didn't run on some level of internet access to verify subscription based services. Even libraries requires online check-in for the services they offer.
I'm happy with NSO as it is. You get tons of free games. Tetris 99, Mario 35, Pac-Man 99, NES / SNES games. It's cheap. You get save backups to the cloud.
And I don't really care about nor want voice chat.
No. No. No. No. N64? YES.
It is disappointing that we're four years in, and all we're getting is drip fed third party SNES games that no one cares about. Like, there are GB and GBC games, if they aren't wanting to do N64 games yet. Though they've demonstrated that they have a perfectly good N64 emulator. It's just kind of annoying that Nintendo holds such a tight grasp on things that are impossible to get legit.
@Zacattack99 he has a switch and lives four hour drive away from my house with my switch.
It’s 2021. We should be able to message and play online games with native voice chat on a service we are paying for. No excuses.
@Razer My biggest problem with that logic is that the average gamer is like 36. And being a 36 year old gamer, I can confirm that we have the capability to be parents also.
Gamers and parents aren't mutually exclusive things. You can be both, and Nintendo's online gaming service could also cater towards both.
My nearly 5 year old is constantly wanting to play Fortnite and Minecraft with me and my Partner. He also really likes to play games online with his older cousins (especially after the year we just had), and because of the lack of friendly online features on Switch, he uses our xbox more.
Nintendo are ignoring the needs of all sorts of gamers with their nonsense.
NSO is fine. For about a the cost of a single bottle of soda a month it's perfectly fine.
But that's the problem. It's dirt cheap and feels dirt cheap. It feels like the bare minimum of an online service for a console.
I would pay more if they offered more and I would like to do that.
Some Gameboy and Zoda’s Revenge would be a small request from me, in contrast to everybody wanting Earthbound, Mario RPG and N64. Which would be nice too. I bought my friend a year of NSO, and we checked out some of the SNES games with multiplayer... not the first party ones. Just to give them all a chance with an open mind. We were not impressed. We are both in our mid 30s. Nintendo really does need to do better.
@boxyguy I have to agree with you on this one, it does feel like a classic game subscription service. Which isn't a bad idea and I don't mind that part of NSO at all.
The bigger problem for me is the fact that the service is required to play online multiplayer in most games, unless it's a free-to-play online multiplayer game.
Again, I've always been a PC gamer in addition to being a Nintendo fan, so there is very good reason why I don't like the idea of paid online subscriptions for online multiplayer. Online play is free on PC, all you pay for is your Internet service.
Personality, I don't like the announcers voice or being reminded that Bowser Jr exists.
Not liking NSO just because there's no N64 games seems really petty.
Oh well, at least we have emulation. 👍
Here’s the million dollar question: Why did Nintendo discontinue the virtual console?
@sixrings you have phones don’t you?
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?
@NinjaWaddleDee I’ll just stick with my switch online
@Dezzy70 Rather? This shouldn't even hinder AAA game development. We can and SHOULD have both. Their online is a disgrace.
@Zacattack99 you sound like the makers of Diablo. That’s pretty pathetic that you think that’s a serious solution.
Honestly I don’t understand why they even charge, the service doesn’t even feature basic online features like voice chat and I know some people doesn’t like it but not everyone thinks the same, for example I can’t properly communicate with my friends in MH Rise like I used to in MHWI
And I don’t understand why people say it’s cheap when in reality it’s not because you get nothing really worth it for 20/30 when you can pretty much buy a PS+ service for 30 on eBay and get a real service with all features and new games like control and Final Fantasy VII
Just because people are forced to subscribe doesn't mean they are happy, as the writer implied. Nintendo does nothing to earn the subscription fee while holding parts of our games for ransom unless we pay up. Why would anyone be happy with paying a ransom?
I totally agree with you.
I just got focused on AAA in house games at that moment.
Can’t disagree with you there.
And I’m a massive Nintendo fan, big PS4 games will take longer, look at the size, graphics and detail, 4K hdr etc in Horizon zero Dawn, and they developed for PS4 and PS4 Pro.
If you take say Mario Odyssey or BOTW many assets etc and the game engines are there already from the first games and sounds.
Like I said I’m Nintendo crazy fan had all their home consoles from day one including NES, yes I’m old. But you are letting Nintendo off a bit here.
What makes you think that they are reuploading it just beccause of the dislikes?
@Dezzy70 Playstation & Nintendo is the way to go.
That trailer means nothing to Nintendo because the Japanese side of the trailer, and basically all videos related to Nintendo in Japan are an overall 98% positive in likes/dislikes. Nintendo doesn't make services for the world, they design them around Japanese lifestyles and the rest of the world just sorta gets to hang out too.
@HeadPirate some of the snes and nes cost more then 1.000bux each and not everyone has money to buy that either, i love my switch <3
@Razer hahaha thats netflix rumour is from 2017 hahaha
@Dezzy70 Nintendo games are such high quality... they do take that long. Do you think they’re just putting their feet up?
When they started with NES, people complained and demanded SNES games. When they added SNES games though, people still complained and immediately moved on to demanding N64 games.
Nintendo 64 games won't accomplish much here. It will just shift the complaints to the GameCube or Nintendo's Game Boy family. And that of course is fine. I expect/hope to see their coverage expand as well.
But let's be honest at the same time we're complaining. Adding N64 games isn't going to suddenly make people happy for long. They'll just shift to demanding the next big thing, rather than enjoying what N64 games get released.
Not sure being really honest. I guess Covid has not helped. Maybe I just yearn for BOTW2 and Mario odyssey 2 etc.
It’s just they came out of the gate on release year like amazing, game after game from in house AAA studios and it’s been quiet for some time from those particular studios.
Don’t get me wrong I have Yoshi and Luigi mansion 3 etc but they are not the in house AAA studio teams they are 2nd party studios.
Though I think the creators of Luigi mansion 3, Nintendo did purchase recently.
5,200 likes vs 17,000 dislikes. Oof, that's around 77% dislikes. (if I've done the "maths" right.)
@Deltath I kinda like playing games that don’t require online. It sucks when power and/or internet go down. And then when the game falls out of fashion, it’s pretty useless most of the time unless there is a decent story mode.
I dont have it. But you get what you pay for, right? I mean you can't expect xbl/gpu/ps+ level of online capabilities, at $20 a year.
@Savino Your paying for matchmaking servers. Most games on XBL and PSN are P2P as well.
bunch of babies
Good I hope people keep disliking and expressing their distaste for the garbage online so that Nintendo can actually fix it and give us some basic features.
It boggles my mind how people here go so far to defend a mediocre service that doesn't even give you basic features everyone else has had for decades.
@nhSnork switch online service is trash tier. Just because you and 8 other people on here like it, it is universally panned and for good reason.
Seriously just look across the aisle at what Microsoft is doing. They aren't even in the same stratosphere. Game pass is everything Nintendo should be doing, with their history in the industry and back log.
@Nourldean you're right, they will probably release an emulation of Mario Galaxy 2 and sell it for 60 dollars. I was such an idiot that I forgot.
@rockodoodle The situation here isn't even about real online games, though. It's a once every 7 days online check-in to verify your subscription. You can be offline while playing the entire time except that 10 second check-in once a week that happens automatically and updates every time your Switch pings the internet at all. And it's for a subscription based service that provides online multiplayer for the system, so.. in the event you don't have access to the internet at all, you're not likely going to sign up for the online service.
As far as online games in general, yeah. Some people don't like them or get frustrated when communities around them die, but I don't really see what the point is to be annoyed at the idea of online stuff (not saying that's you, but the person I was talking about to before). Hundreds of millions of people still like to play online games, especially with friends.. and even when popularity for one is gone, you can often still play with friends so these games will thrive. And for the people that don't want to play online games, that's perfectly fine, but so is wanting to play them.
That's a shame cause the service is fine.
But people will always complain.
N64 games are not happening-- it's too costly, the console's already half a decade in, the console is already a success, and Nintendo recently reiterated they want new IP, thus no reason to spend resources on a dead-end service this late in the game.
@Dezzy70 Oh I’m with you. I’m getting impatient. BOTW went gold almost 4 and a half years ago. But 5 years for a Zelda seems normal, and that’s assuming there were no major issues (hello, COVID).
I’d love a new Odyssey. Bowser’s Fury was great. But I wonder if Nintendo might hold that back to make sure they’ve got something big for the next machines.
Nintendo announce and release things quickly. So I am hoping for at least one tasty release this Christmas
we can complain all we want, fact is the OS of the nintendo switch is not designed for online gaming, thats not where this console's priority where at the time it was designed.
this is a mobile device such as a smartphone, so offers had to be made.
did nintendo learn from it? time will tell with the switch pro, i think so.
personaly i think nintendo should focus on two cpu's. on in the dock on in the handheld,, combined together into a powerfull console for online gaming
At this point the only reason I'm subscribed to this service is for the cloud backup. And I'm kind of uninterested to renew as I have lately lost most of my interest in the Switch itself. Let's see what they announce during E3.
Hey thanks for the heads-up, might as well dislike it myself.
I’m still hoping for BOTW2 Christmas maybe November 2021.
Thought a surprise Mario odyssey 2 instead then BOTW2 March 2022 would be even better 😂
Just hit the 5000 mark on Mario Kart online racing.
@PALversusNTSC Smartphones handle online games just fine. I've been playing Destiny 2, Outriders and MHW on mine via gamepass and had no issues at all.
Whras on the switch, I cant even chat to people I'm hunting with on MHRise or talk tactics in Splatoon - which is a team based shooter ffs!
if Nintendo decided to finaly add N64/Game Cube games to Switch Online along side some some features, maybe Switch Online will be more worth.
There should be two tiers of NSO. NSO which lets you play online, £9 a year, no other benefits. NSO arcade the current product with it's extra little bits. Then judge how successful the service really is. Current user base is alot of non gamer parents, getting it for their kids so they can play together, not realising some free to plays, don't even need it.
@Bustacap @Dethmunk Tell me about it. Bunch of bedwetters... Nintendolife knows how to bring em out of the woodwork. Thumbs down on Youtube and crying in here. That'll show Nintendo won't it? All they'll see is proof that gamers are being their usual hypersensitive selves. I can only laugh.
Quite right too. I've just gone to dislike it myself.
I've grudgingly bought 2 subscriptions for 3 months over the last year for some entertainment during the lock downs.
Even then I've made sure to get the cheapest code possible on Shop-to and turned off auto renew straight away.
No way I'm paying over the odds for NSO.
Thanks for letting me know - I disliked the video again, as I've done the other times.
And no, a N64 game library won't change it to a like, that'll just reinforce the dislike.
While I enjoy the cheap price, I'd rather pay more for NSO and actually get a stable online experience as well as: native voice chat, messaging system, a true friends list based on perhaps username + tag and more (friend codes are just nasty. I haven't added anyone to friends in like 1.5 years at this point because I simply cba.)
This won't ever happen so that's probably a permanent dislike.
and I agree with the person/people saying the reuploads are to add new content to it - Nintendo doesn't care about these dislikes, but at least we can collectively show that they're providing garbage atm.
Not too fussed about it as I mostly do singleplayer games but eh, still.
I think its clear that people arent very happy with what Nintendo offers. I know that we can't expect something as great as gamepass but Nintendo is offering only 30 year old games instead. Nintendo is very greedy and deserve the backlash. I dont see why the competition is offering free cross-gen upgrades and NIntendo ask us everytime to buy same 35 year old games again and again.
I know I’m in the minority, but I don’t mind NSO. It’s super cheap compared to PS+/PSNow/Xbox Live/Game Pass/Stadia/etc. It’s a convenient way to play NES and SNES titles and the little BRs too. Sure, Nintendo really needs to get on with making a party system, so you can play with friends in a streamlined fashion, but I don’t really mind because... if I play multiplayer with friends on a Nintendo console, it tends to be in person. Nintendo games tend to be more single player oriented experiences, which is what I prefer anyway. Would I love improvements? Obviously. But seriously it’s what $20? That’s less than buying a meal from a restaurant.
@UltimateOtaku91 it is worth it already. If you want n64 then expect to pay more period.
@somnambulance I agree, for what you get you annoy really complain honestly. Yeah people want more and more and that's fine but rating the program low just because it doesn't five that is ridiculous. Then again people don't realize the value of what their getting anymore, they just want more and don't expect to have to pay anything more. If N64 games are added I except it to cause the price to rise idk to 29.99 or 34.99 USD a year. Then omg everyone will still have a cow.
I'd like to know many of those 26 million subscribers pay just for the cloud save features. You know, since we can't make manual backups of our save files.
I know it's the only reason I pay for it. There is nothings else good about it.
@dimi then again their only charging 20 a year. They also have new games to buy not just the old ones and all other systems have made you buy games again and again. This whole practice isn't just Nintendo.
No thanks. One of the things I like about Nintendo is the lack of Trophies/Achievements.
That way I can just focus on the game for pure enjoyment instead of trying to finish a to do list for every single game.
Game pass = 120 a year a year
Ps Now =60 a year
NSO=20 a year.
Ps now and game pass also need another 60 a year to play inline and chat so
Game pass+ live 180 a year
Ps now + plus 120 a year.
Playstation offers crap games with plus and most games on now are just as old as games on nso
Xbox live offers ok games and gamepass offers newer games.
NSO offers many retro games like ps now and inline play.
NSO IS 1/6 the cost. It's not the best service but compared to price you are getting a good deal actually.
@Kang81 but no one is forcing you to finish that to do list, trophies/achievements are there for completionis and for those to show off their accomplishments, if you're not interested in them then there's no need to try do them all
@Dirty0814 playstation offers crap games with plus?..... OK
@Dirty0814 compare ps plus games with xbox Live games and playstations offering blows xbox's out of the window
@Dirty0814 "most games on now are just as old as games on nso"
please show me what games on now are as old as nes/snes games, over half the games on ps now are for the PlayStation 4, the rest are mainly ps3 games....
@Kang81 I totally appreciate that. I need nothing extra with core IP like BOTW for example, but sometimes I miss the trophies in the 3rd party AAA games. Honestly, I think Nintendo would do it better than Sony/MS and would love to see what it was that they came up with.
@Dirty0814 playstation plus games this year so far....
Oddworld soulstorm (ps5 brand new game)
Zombie army 4
Maquette (ps5 brand new game)
Final fantasy 7 remake
Far point (VR game)
Remnant from the ashes
Destruction all stars (ps5 brand new game)
Control ultimate edition
Shadow of the tomb raider
Way better than what xbox is offering with gold, in 4 months playstation have gave me over £350 worth of games and there's 8 months left and cost me £60 a year. Also playstation plus includes online play, cloud storage, exclusive store deals and discounts and free in game dlc for certain games
Vs £20 a year for some online play, cloud storage and some nes games
@Dirty0814 120 per year to get all first party games at day one is a pretty good deal, wish there was something half as good in Switch
@dimi Let’s be real here. All first party games on Xbox isn’t saying much at this point. It’s not exactly a dense catalog.
Perspective is everything. I am paying $0.50 per person in my family plan a month so that my parents and kids can play Animal Crossing with each other. I pay more for a bottle of Pepsi from the gas station than I pay monthly for NSO. Maybe if I paid a little more than that I would expect more than they have offered, but it does what I need at a price I can afford.
Well, to be fair, there are some really emotional Reactions about the Service.
If the Service doesn't appeal to somebody, they could just not pay for it.
As it provides only Multiplayer and some classic Games, it is not hurting much to let it be.
If this Stuff appeals to somebody, it is not costing much to have it.
To start ***** storms about it is a bit over the Top.
@Mortenb I don't like the lack of communication options, really. No native chat or limited access to messaging without the phone app.
True, but they are a bit annoying because it's hard for me to ignore. Unless I had the option to disable them, or at least any notification that I earned one, I'd be ok.
Sadly, I think if Nintendo did implement them, they'd give us very few options to deal with them. Nintendo is easily the least settings friendly company out there. While everyone else is adding accessibility features into their games, Nintendo still has bare bones settings options. I was honestly surprised they added system wide custom control options.
Given how slow they are to release games and the fact that 90% of them no one has heard of of cares about I'm gonna say they need to ramp this up
@Kang81 Guilty as charged. I just think of it as a Cloud backup service with some retro games and the occasional Smash Ultimate online play attached.
@Entrr_username They do this on purpose as people go after the people who wrote the comments. Sucks but they have to do this now otherwise depending on the site it could get hundreds of people ganging up on them.
While I was reading the comments I was also downloading Metro Prime 2, MGS: Twin Snakes and THPS 3 for NintenDONT on the Wii. I can't imagine what it would be like to have a brand new console that offers nothing close to that with a paid online service in 2021. Unbelievable 😄
@SpaceKaren there are few to no shoulds in the realm of commercial offer. And me and "8 other people here" are just the more vocally sharptongued responders out of the millions subscribed to NSO, begrudgingly or otherwise - not because they "like" it or some other fanspeak crap, but because it offers what they're interested in for a price they're willing to pay. "Universal panning" that translates to the internet-standard global distribution of similarly vocal fanheads on the other side doesn't make much of a dent in this - normal people just vote with their wallets and act on their beliefs in Microsoft's superior customer relationships by investing in and focusing on XBox instead. If your addiction to [insert Switch game] and [insert paywalled Switch functionality] is still stronger than your skepticism towards them, you're out of luck.
I wish I could dislike the Online button on my Switch dashboard, particularly those useless blue notifications it keeps sprouting.
I originally bought my Switch FOR the Nintendo Online service. A few pennies a month to play dozens of classics from my youth? Yes please!
But keep on hating haters. sunglasses emoji
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