
If you ask any Nintendo fan what series they'd like to see resurrected today, there's a fair chance that F-Zero will be mentioned at some point.
The futuristic racing series made its debut on the SNES at the start of the '90s, and although it has seen several sequels since then, it's been dormant since the release of F-Zero Climax on the Game Boy Advance in 2004 – a title which didn't even get localised outside of Japan.
If you're looking for the last home console release, then you're going back 18 years to F-Zero GX on the GameCube. Sure, we've had F-Zero references in games like Nintendo Land and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, but it's not the same as a proper, mainline outing.
Speaking to IGN, former Nintendo staffer Takaya Imamura – who worked on titles like F-Zero and The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask during his 32-year tenure with the company – said that while the series isn't 'dead' as such, it's a tricky one to resurrect:
Of course, I’ve thought about it many times, but without a grand new idea, it’s hard to bring it back.
Imamura's comments echo those made by Shigeru Miyamoto in 2012, who said he was "puzzled" that people wanted a new entry in the series because he felt that Nintendo had achieved everything that could be done with the franchise:
...since the first episode on SNES many games have been made but the series has evolved very little. I thought people had grown weary of it.
Why F-Zero? What do you want that we haven’t done before?
Even so, Imamura is adamant that F-Zero isn't gone forever, and even though he's no longer with Nintendo, he assures IGN that the franchise still has a future – which perhaps hints that there are projects ongoing within the company right now which could potentially result in a new F-Zero release.
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Just give to the Fast Racing Neo guys already!
Just let Shin'en Multimedia (the developer of FAST Racing Neo) develop a new F-Zero if Nintendo can't come up with an idea
Um, the new idea is called online play Nintendo... We've never had an online F-Zero game, so I don't know why they keep saying there's nothing that can be added to the series. 🙄 Mario Kart is hardly revolutionary with each game anyway.
"which perhaps hints that there are projects ongoing within the company right now..."
Yeh. Maybe.
F-Zero 99 wouldn't go amiss while we're waiting.
Not every series needs to innovate with every single installment. Just make a new game with new courses, story mode, online mode, and the other key modes and you've got a new F-Zero.
I know that's easier said than done but it is easier than thinking of something new entirely to bring to the series. People are starved for a new game in the franchise, just make that new entry already!
I'd buy it even if it was an online port if GX, or even X, at this point...
You don't need a grand idea, only to bring it back. This is inherently the problem that flaws many continuations of classic franchises, they think it needs to be re-invented and they don't. There's a reason we call them 'Classic'. Just an idea but what about F-zero 99? that would be literally amazing.
@Yosher It really isn't difficult though. for Christs sake Nintendo bankrolled Shinen to make Fast Racing, an actual F-zero clone. They could of simple re-skinned it and everyone would be happy.
Bring back wave race and pilotwings too please
As much as I loathe ports and remasters at the moment, just remaster GX if you really don't want to do another F-Zero.
I suppose the problem for Nintendo is I guess they only ever treated F-Zero as a tech-demo franchise; they probably never expected people to actually like the series... same for Pilotwings.
You don't need to 're-invent' F-Zero pal. Give us a GX HD remaster, and a sequel with new tracks. Job done.
Just remaster GX. Gauge interest in that, prove that the fans of the franchise really exist, and go from there. Risk adverse NIntendo is worst Nintendo.
Strange they'd say this considering how Yoshi and Kirby haven't evolved in the slightest since their first few games.
We don't need an idea for a racing game! Doh!!! This is NOT a RPG or something like that. Just bring Fzero with new stages, new graphics, new music and that's all ! Add online and it's already an instant buy.
There are also new gamers that they have not played the previous games so it will be new for them as it is.
But why do they need a 'big idea'? I appreciate Nintendo may not want to take a risk on an old IP but surely even a HD remaster of GX would be the easiest way of testing the waters at a very low cost?
@gcunit Man could you imagine the N64 Death Race with 99 real players?
I have a grand idea: Publish GX + AX in HD.
@Noid And what about Mario Party? It's got smaller and worse since the older games if anything. A weak excuse which doesn't add up to Nintendo's treatment of their other franchises...
Why does F-Zero need a grand idea to warrant it's return? Other franchises get to just be sequels, or "now it looks like papercraft". I guess it's just been dormant so long execs are scared to invest in bringing it back as-is.
How about online? Make your own tracks?
Just port ALL the F-Zero Games to Switch Eshop for people to buy and try and see what happens Nintendo!
Upscale GX. If it sells well (500,000 digital copies), maybe make some new tracks.
Jesus Ninty, do this with all your dead franchises. You dont need to make 'new' ways to play games. Ugh, they frustrate me sometimes.
Man that is such a stupid argument. Like many have said, not having new ideas has never stopped them from creating new Pokemon/Mario Tennis/Mario Kart/Kirby/Animal Crossing games etc etc.
You know what if there is a demand just create the damn thing. Why all of a sudden are they sitting on their high horse with this one, it is just a load of bull.
Every game I’ve seen that claims to be a modern F-Zero is actually Wipeout I’ve never seen one that actually feels like F-Zero GX.
I understand where they come from, but for a company that rereleases games from the previous generation and charges full price for them with the pretext of appealing to new players, that reluctance is surprising.
It's just as easy as HD graphics, stable 60 fps, new ships and characters, online play. By "easy" I mean as "new ideas", not that I could make it true, of course.
While we're at it, why don't rerelease digitally or otherwise GBA entries?
I wouldn’t want F-Zero GX HD, because that would be like GameCube Resident Evil remake to the later HD version. Not enough of a leap. I’d rather have the SNES or N64 F-Zero as HD remakes.
They do need to innovate to some extent or consumers will tire of it. It’s easy to think otherwise when it hasn’t happened or when you haven’t played the other titles to death.
Nintendo VR Thats what I want to see, proper VR not labo.
Only Nintendo would believe that a racing game needs a "grand new idea" to justify making a new entry in the series.
They would definitely need some new ideas, because f-zero is generally so plain
Of course they would keep making F-zero if it sold gangbusters like Mario kart but it doesn't. So yes, they DO need a new idea. Nintendo is a creative company, you can't ask a creative person to do the same thing over and over without some serious cashflow as reward.
What they could do is at least rerelease the game with maybe an online mode.
In that case we need a prince to give it a wake-up-kiss.
Welp its better thin nothing.
Big Blue + Mute City in Mario Kart 8 was already a F-Zero game.
Still deeply annoyed F-Zero missed the 3DS. Granted Nintendo kinda gave up on the 3D aspect but I always thought F-Zero would have been great use of the systems gimmick.
Show me your moves!
Maybe we should wake F-Zero up then.
"he was "puzzled" that people wanted a new entry in the series because he felt that Nintendo had achieved everything that could be done with the franchise"
A bit rich when you see how they are squeezing every drop out of something like Mario Kart... MK8 is awesome, but it's not exactly ground breaking.
Just release the Gamecube one on the Switch already. 'What do people want?'—the ability to play the best game in the series is a good place to start.
"What do you want that we haven’t done before?"
Online play, online leaderboards. Other than that? Nothing. Just more of the same. F-Zero is so good as it is that I think one new game every two decades will make sure people don't get tired with it...
@Spanjard The New Super Mario Bros games are not very creative. They're about as not creative as it gets.
I think the only people who are clamouring for a new F-Zero are a vocal minority. F-Zero has not achieved mainstream status and the average Switch owner doesn't care or even knows what it is. If they made a new one, it would sell like ****.
I think the real problem here is that when Nintendo thinks of F-Zero, they think of the SNES and GBA games, which admittedly had gotten rather stale and sold poorly. Nintendo didn't actually develop GX and so they're not as close to how any of those ideas were received, they just know that like most games that weren't Mario or Zelda, it didn't sell that well.
Were Takaya Imamura and Michael Palin separated at birth?
If you sleep this long, isn't it actually considered a coma?
30-machine online matches would be nice, as well as a built-in level editor.
@TheBigK That's what happens if you don't do anything with a franchise for almost 20 years. Since the majority of Nintendo Fans are 20 years or younger of course you only hear the few older fans wanting a new F-Zero as the younger ones don't even know what it is.
@mattmayatt I would love to see F-Zero, Wave Race, and Pilotwings games on Switch. Especially Wave Race. I really enjoyed the N64 original plus this could be a graphical showpiece for Switch. I'd like to see the water and lighting effects they'd come up with for an original Switch Wave Race.
I would pay full price for a retrospective compilation alone. Nintendo arrogance means even then it’s still unlikely. Honestly, sometimes I feel like I’m the only one making an effort in this relationship.
NO, I don’t want to talk about it.
These days Captain Falcon is arguably more famous (and memeable) than the whole F-Zero franchise.
So capitalise on it and make a new game with an expanded story mode where you play the Falcon Puncher fighting crime between races.
Also include an online Battle Royale style game with 99 racers.
But most of all, include beautifully remixed versions of every iconic song.
@Gauchorino yhea! Some sort of Trackmania in a F-zero format!
When Shigsy said something similar back in 2013 when BR was taking off, myself and others pointed to either 30 players online or a full on 100 player F zero Death race. Even comments above are pointing out F Zero 99 as a logical continuation of the series, and the BR genre is even more crowded now than it was in 2013.
Nintendo is supposed to be about imagination, yet they cannot imagine this?
Also the track designs they could do with the hardware now, could be simply amazing, multiple routes, mazes and gravity defying corksrews around a diverse sci fi landscape.
There's also F Zero Maker, players can build and share tracks and racers, they challenge each other. There's a massive pot of untapped potential, and i am flabberghasted Nintendo cannot see it.
So i guess you can call the next game F-zero awakens! Whenever you decide to wake it the hell up anyway.
in a sense i kinda get it, you could argue their recent sequels added "something" different each time. i wouldnt call new horizons a new leaf 2. mario kart nearly has a new gimmick every game, mario tennis has zone shots. these games all play the same but have some added gimmick thrown in, the only times their sequels feel like more of the same is when it literally has a 2 next to their title (mario galaxy 2, pikmin 2, splatoon 2, ect). which makes me wonder why f zero isnt getting this treatment unless theyre worried meme status alone wont generate sales.
i think the real question to ask here is WHY its taking so long for them to think of some new fzero idea when its basically their specialty. im sure they have ideas but fzero is just a low, LOW priority for them because of subpar sales
I may sound ignorant, but what was that grand new idea in Splatoon 3 again?
An online remastered port of F-Zero GX I would buy in an instant. No need to reinvent the wheel. Come on Ninty, sort us out...!
Yet they slap Deluxe on everything lately , add Funky mode and call it a day but won't do the same with X or GX.
Yeah, too hard.
Nintendeluxe.
@Hoppel im guessing more of the same but with expanded weapons, maps, and gameplay elements, hence the generic sequel title of 3. so unless they believe an fzero gx 2 can generate the same hype as any other "2" sequel game, theyll need to reinvent the wheel sadly
Simple: realease new f-zero game, people will buy it (including me), Nintendo will make profit. What's wrong with that?
@mariomaster96 I love Shin'en as much as you guys, but FAST RMX, despite how good it was, still feels soulless, generic and lacking compared to F-Zero. FZ has so much personality, and character, unparalleled sense of speed, controls and track designs. Doing it justice will be an insurmountable task for Shin'en, the whole five of them!
"F-ZERO isn't dead, it's just sleeping".
So, F-ZERO will be sleeping for 100 years after accidentally pricking their fingers on the spindle of spinning wheels, waiting for a prince to kiss
F-ZERO and F-ZERO will wake up ? 😅
There's still hope after all! Here's to F-Zero S(Switch)X !
@Wavey84
I'm that guy that still thinks the original is the best of the bunch. Still fire it up every few years for a run through 'Master' difficulty. I'd rate GX close behind though, if any of them truly lacked something special I'd say it's X by this point.
Mario Kart/F Zero crossover.
"Mario Kart Zero"
it's the only way forward.
Just do a real remaster of GX, add characters and courses from metroid and star fox, and online.
As Rob Schneider once said: “Well, wake its ass up! We got a game to play!”
There's loads they could do, just seems like an excuse to me... they should try implementing ideas from elsewhere, if we have to wait for some big Nintendo idea I fear they will just spoil it...
OK, nothing ground breaking here perhaps... but as long as it's a solid racer with that Nintendo feel I think 99% of fans will be over the moon! Only Nintendo seem to be fixated on big ideas that can go either way... play it safe with this and I doubt anyone will be upset.
Another example of how Nintendo thinks things as only Nintendo does and it works for them. As frustrating as it is you gotta slightly appreciate it some. If any other company (especially EA) owned the franchise it would have been so milked to death by now the game would be a mere shadow of what it used to be.
Miyamoto misses the point that we want more F-zero simply because we love the franchise. The characters, the concept, the exhilariting speed and death racing. It has such potential for high octane HD graphics... So come on Nintendo. BRING IT BACK. JUST MAKE IT PRETTY AND COOL. dammit.
Fans: "Look, I know a dead series when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now."
Imamura: "No no it's not dead, it's...it's resting! Remarkable series, F-Zero, idn'it? Lovely sense of speed!"
Yet they basically made clones of New Super Mario Bros. DS for years, this excuse isn't valid.
Nintendo hasn't released any new racing games for the Switch as far as I know? If you were a Wii U owner like me it's been slim pickings for original Nintendo content past couple of years. The last direct was mostly full of anime RPGs (like Scott the Woz I'm not into RPGs).
Thank God for indie games, I'm loving their support on the Switch.
@Yosher exactly. Just having a moderder looking series would be pretty huge.
@Hoppel To be fair we literally only know it exists, we have no idea if it changes up anything or everything.
@Clyde_Radcliffe I respect Miyamoto and wanting to evolve games with each entry, but to your point, it’s not like every new Smash or Mario Kart is revolutionary per se. Sequels can iterate and tweak and perfect on previous versions without being whole cloth reinventions and I think that’s what Nintendo sometimes doesn’t understand about these dormant franchises. At this point it’s been so long with an F Zero, Waverace, Knock Out, etc etc that we would just be happy with online multiplayer, HD visuals and modern quality of life upgrades and it would sell millions.
I think they are struggling to offer something new to the series that isn't yet known. I think Fire Emblem and Pokemon also struggle with this and that's why the games from those IPs are less.
We have 8 Mario carts. Add a damn turtle shell and release a new one for cripes sake. Add new courses. Pepper in some new drivers. ...Mario hovercraft etc. throw in a few weapons and be done with it 🤷♂️
Since Mario Kart was born from F-Zero, if they can't think of anything new enough to justify a new F-zero, maybe they should just add an F-zero mode to mario kart. Mario Kart already has battle modes, why not add it another mode.
You're telling me that even all the creative talent at Nintendo 'can't' come up with any interesting new ideas for it? I don't buy it at all, they just aren't trying.
Tbh, Fast RMX was all that I needed out of an F-Zero this gen, so I'm not too bothered.
I see this more as PR than a representation of the internal perceptions at Nintendo. F-Zero is doomed, despite its obvious differences, to sit in the shadow of Mario Kart. It's arguable that it was already falling out of favor with GX, due to its external development, but the Wii's emphasis on broad appeal and the larger investment demanded by HD development in the subsequent generations has probably killed any legitimate chance for a robust new entry. "Grand new idea" means "a central idea we can market this game around". As it existed, F-Zero was a technical showcase that emphasized tight execution with low margins for error, far from Nintendo's present ideals. It's a shame because GX is still lightyears ahead of any of the admittedly few other arcade racers I've played. I wish a new F-Zero would lean harder into the advanced handling techniques of GX (Momentum Throttle, MTS, Shift Boost, Quick Turn, etc) and cause some of those techniques, alongside new ones, to deplete power. Turn the aggression up to 11 and make racer/rival kills a vital tool. That would alienate a wider audience though, so it won't happen, but it would be a unique progression keeping the core ideals of the series intact.
I figure it's worth listing all of the reasons an F-Zero GX on Switch, and specifically online, would be a horrid idea:
I get how online discourse goes, but you really don't know what you're asking for.
I've never played it, but considering Miyamoto's comment, maybe they could just do a remake? That would probably please the most vocal fans and would be a quick development, just updating the graphics and inserting online play.
It's REALLY NOT hard to bring it back.
Here's what I want that you haven't done before: Modern HD visuals running at a rock-solid 60fps that recapture the original anime comic-style game art from the instruction manual but in full 3D, even better done story mode with the characters even more fleshed out, online competitive races for up to 30 racers if possible but as many as possible either way, a more evolved vehicle and track editor, a gallery of all the racers and their vehicles that I can peruse through at any time (with options to rotate and zoom into them and activate little character animation poses and so on), full surround sound, maybe some kind of simple online lobby where players can meet up and chat in avatar form based on the many characters in the F-Zero universe before the races and even bet virtual money on who's going to win and stuff like that, and possibly even full VR support at some point too.
Seriously, look at frikin' WipEout VR or even just the standard PS4 version if you need a hint at how to do a modern take on a beloved and classic futuristic racing game that's mostly not revolutionary but just exactly what fans would want in 2021-ish....
"Oh I don't understand why you would want the same game again, now here's Skyward Sword HD."
I don't even care if they make a new F-Zero, they could release an HD remaster of X or GX (maybe even AX?), and I'd be satisfied.
Just release everybody's favourite: an unfinished empty open world battle royale F-Zero with RPG elements and semi-obligatory microtransations already.
You don’t need a grand new idea. Modern HD Graphics, 60FPS, a big selection of the best tracks from the series so far, 30-car Online play. Done. Wouldn’t even cost a lot to make.
@impurekind
Exactly this. Wipeout on PS4 is great. Nintendo are over thinking this.
@gb_nes_gamer They need to innovate? The Super Mario series, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Mario Party, and Pokemon have been in creative ruts for decades and yet they still sell.
"We need a gimmick to get it to sell bucket loads, and if it ain't gonna sell bucket loads, we don't care to make more." - translated Nintendo
Because honestly, there's no other reason why they are happy to rehash other titles that just so happen to sell fantastically regardless, and other smaller franchises seemingly need big ideas to be worth it.
What a hypocrite. Just look at Pokemon, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, etc.
Apart from the Racing part, i want a story/adventure mode where you can walk/fight as captain falcon. And also a classic racing mode.
@Goomba77 GX already had plenty of those things:
“ Imamura's comments echo those made by Shigeru Miyamoto in 2012, who said he was "puzzled" that people wanted a new entry in the series because he felt that Nintendo had achieved everything that could be done with the franchise”
Problem is, it’s not exactly easy to play the existing versions. Many haven’t experienced GX. It’s like movie critics complaining a theme has been done to death but as people are born everyday, there’s always someone who will see it as something new. How about at least giving us a re-release of GX/AX on the Switch? They seem to be re-releasing everything else, why not something people are actively asking for, if not a new version?
F-Zero GX is probably the only racing game other than the original Mario Kart that I've really really enjoyed and wanted to replay.
That being said, I've always thought some major reimagining (with racing still in it of course) of the series would be really cool. Think of something like a GTA-style F-Zero where you actually get in and out of vehicles as Captain Falcon while he hunts bounties. Nintendo could do something Nintendo with that. Make it the BOTW of F-Zero.
@Noid Yoshi and Kirby games come up with new ideas at every entries though. Don't talk about games you didn't play.
Much as I would like to see a new one I really can't see it happening - despite the demand you see in sites like this, it won't do that well. It's a niche game for a hardcore crowd.
Saying that though I expect a surprise drop next week!
If they've got no new ideas for an F-Zero, just re-release the old games with online play.
People aren't asking for the world, just make your retro games available to play on Switch.
@Chamver
Yeah that's a good idea. They ported so many games from Wii-U to give them a second chance to be played, especially since so many missed out on the Wii-U. The same is virtually true of the Gamecube games. 18 years since GX came out on Gamecube?! There's a huge group of current gamers who weren't even born yet or too young to be playing F-Zero back then for sure.
The only F-Zero game that's been widely available to consumers since the GBA (outside of the Wii U eshop) is the original. Tens of millions of Switch owners might have no idea the series exists or would only recognize the name and Captain Falcon from Smash. Even if Nintendo doesn't feel the need to make a new game, they should at least rerelease the original games on Switch, since those games will be new for the large majority of the Switch's user base. GX is especially deserving of one as it's been stuck on the GameCube for the past 15+ years.
F-Zero isn't dead, it's just living on a lovely little farm.
Put AX/GX on Switch and you can have my money. You don't even have to remaster it or anything. Release it exactly as it was all those hundreds of years ago and I will happily play full price to play the crap out of it all over again.
@mariomaster96 @jump
Yeah, I bet if Shin'en Multimedia were able to just make another Fast Racing series game but use F-ZERO skins and characters, they'd deliver a new F-ZERO experience that feels different enough from the older F-ZERO entries without being something completely different. The only thing lacking from Fast RMX is the lack of F-ZERO music and looks.
Just give us everything we want!!! How hard can it be??? /s
@Roltarolta You're agreeing with me.
Considering there are Nintendo games that are now getting 2 "remastered" versions, why not just remaster F-Zero GX? It's been almost 20 years since GX. If it takes over 20 years to think of new characters, ships, courses and story mode then give the license away.
Lol, if they don’t want to make a new game then just say so.
...This is the same company that released five near-identical titles under the "NEW Super Mario Bros." moniker, yes?
They have added nothing new to the Mario Kart formula and they continue to make games in its series so why not just make a new F-Zero game with no new improvements?!
It'd be really hard to make a decent Track Editor for MarioKart..
Making one for FZero would be (and has been) easier.
Do that.
Make FZero be the racing franchise with the editor.
I'm sorry, but that infamous "lack of ideas"-excuse is just laughable and always makes me a little angry. And I'm not even a big "F-Zero" fan. ("Wave Race", baby!)
As many here pointed out, online-multiplayer is one major factor or that you just don't have to make it super innovative. This genre is fairly underrepresented and some types of games have been absent for such a long time, that they feel rather fresh again, nowadays. Look at "Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 & 2" or the "Doom"-reboot.
What was the great idea for "New Super Bros. 2" or "Wii"? Collect a lot of coins and - surprise - multiplayer.
Also, when you're arrogant enough to state that you already created the peak of future racer design, how about re-releasing the old games then, Nintendo? Nobody owns a f'n GameCube anymore or is capable of connecting it to an HDTV, without risking eye cancer.
And when you can't find any new ideas, then you're not thinking hard enough about it.
I call ***** on all this.
There's only one reason, they won't make a new "F-Zero" and that's because they think that it won't sell. End of story.
18 years, many people won't have played an F-Zero game.
Better graphics, online play, flesh out the characters with a story mode.
How has Mario Kart been moved forward really? How about New Super Mario Bros? Latest Animal Crossing isn't actually that different.
Makes total sense, it's fun hearing everyone complain about it but the last thing I want is for Nintendo to turn into just another video game company putting out cookie cutter games same thing as before with a fresh coat of paint and calling it new. If I can already play the game on the SNES Online, I don't want another game that plays exactly the same but in HD, that's dumb. They can put that stuff out, but without some new gimmick I'd have to give it a hard pass.
If they actually came up with a really cool gimmick for it, I'm sure they'd rather just use the idea for the next Mario Kart since it's bound to sell better as it has a much bigger fan base.
Until Nintendo fixes their multiplayer servers, I think this is fine. Wait until multiplayer is smooth, then release a game like this.
"F-Zero isn't dead", yeah, and water is wet. sure
Nintendo seems to be turning into the no-fun police.
No more Mario 3D All Stars
No Zelda 35th Anniversary anything
No F-Zero.
Like thanks, why are you spending all this time telling us what you are NOT doing. That’s not helpful.
Not to mention all their legal takedowns. What is with this company, right now?
@Nintendo_Thumb When was the las F Zero? Look that one up real quick in google plz
I know innovation is great and all, but it should not be the only goal...
Ttdr... Without a "gimmick" Nintendo won't do it. Just give me a F-Zero GX remaster and I'll be fine.
GX Remake HD with online. Bingo!
@Nintendo_Thumb
As opposed to all the wildly imaginative Mario Party / Kart / Olympic / New Super games they pump out on a regular basis now?
“Grand new idea” is Nintendo speak for “a stupid gimmick peripheral that we must force on our players whether they want it or not.” Star Fox Zero being a great example.
@BloodNinja So as you suggested I looked it up, and at https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/F-Zero I found this sales data:
1990 SNES F-Zero 2.85 [1]
1998 N64 F-Zero X 1.10 [1]
2001 GBA F-Zero: Maximun Velocity 1.05 [1]
2003 GCN F-Zero GX 0.64* [2][3]
2003 GBA F-Zero: GP Legend 0.16* [4]
2004 GBA F-Zero Climax 0.005
It went from 2.85 million sales to 1.1 million, to 1.05, .64, .16, and finally with their last game 0.005 . That's not good, sounds like one of the last franchises they'd want to ressurect at this point.
Ya no grand news ideas, just bring back the same kickass F Zero with new vehicles, tracks, and music. The people have spoken!
"Grand new idea" seems to be PR speak for "a new idea that will give the game broad appeal to help it sell". There's a reason why they make tons of rehashy Mario and Pokemon games and such and no F-Zero games. It's because they get more sales from one game in those franchises than the entire F-Zero franchise combined. F-Zero's last few entries were less than 1 million, that's not good enough to convince Nintendo to make a sequel. So if Nintendo is going to take the risk in bringing back an old, low selling IP, they need a way to revive it so that mainstream, casual gamers will enjoy it, and there's no immediate solution to that since F-Zero is designed to be hardcore and Mario Kart plays very similarly (they even pretty much replicated the F-Zero experience in 8's DLC). It's probably best (at least business wise) if F-Zero stays dead and explore other solutions for what people want out of F-Zero, such as expanding Mario Kart's options to allow more hardcore gamers to enjoy it and creating new racing IPs that have more gameplay variety. The racing genre could certainly use more than just Mario Kart, but F-Zero definitely isn't the answer to that, a better solution would be racing games more in the mold of Excitebike, Wave Race, 1080 Snowboarding, or new Nintendo IPs that are like Sonic R or Sonic Riders.
Won't do F-Zero without new idea. Will do
Mario Kart 8 DX
Splatoon 2
Mario Maker 2
Link's Awakening HD
Skyward Sword HD
Twilight Princess HD
Wind Waker HD
Mario 3D all-stars
Endless "New" Super Mario games
Metroid: Samus Returns
@Yosher Bingo! Its a racing game, there's only s much you can do.
I think people need to read between the lines here. What’s to actually be read? I don’t know, but it’s certainly not that all they need is some new idea. By my estimation new IP being more investment worthy is why FZero is in the graveyard. The only route now possibly is an outside party pitching Nintendo for the license, and Nintendo giving the go-ahead
@Yosher
When they say we can't think of ways to innovate the franchise, what they really mean is we can't think of what to add to this series so that it's a good seller.
The original SNES F-Zero sold well but it's been downhill since then with the others having forgettable sales. Nintendo has no problem turning out countless Mario Parties and otherwise bland Mario games that are big sellers.
@Yosher I feel like ever since the Wii era, Nintendo has been obsessed with the idea of implementing a new gameplay gimmick to any game and sees that as the only way to get the attention of everyone including critics.
Like, what is it with them and having this "reinvent the wheel" mentality they've been so persistent on? It only highlights their close mindedness when it comes to green lighting their own 1st party games and it only applies to series that aren't Mario, Zelda, or Metroid.
And ever since The newer Paper Mario games got released, we've come to know how Nintendo handles criticism, that being very backwards. They don't look at feedback from asking or looking at what people say online. No, they look at an outdated pole they use to conduct on their website and use that as long term proof for what they should make. Like, why? How out of touch can you be?
@SpringDivorce Yeah exactly. Super Mario Party introduced online, rumble games, a music based mode, mini baseball, a bunch of new mini games with some new mechanics as always, and it had the doubles battle mode, and a bunch of other stuff if you look closely. Mario Kart 8 added Mario Galaxy's anti-gravity mechanic, speed boosts from bumping into each other upside down, more levels than ever before, more characters than ever before, Zelda, Animal Crossing, F-Zero stages, all new levels that take advantage of the anti-gravity mechanic, lots of differences if you played the previous entries extensively you'd notice.
Mario & Sonic at the Olympics is a Sega game, so I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
But with Kart and Party, besides the many innovations, those series sell good. So it makes sense that they'd make more. I'm sure if F-Zero didn't sell terribly they'd come up with some new ideas for it, but, it clearly isn't worth their time.
@russell-marlow That is unfortunately very true and it saddens me. Paper Mario used to be such a grand series that I just don't care about anymore now because of certain decisions they enforce on the series. I guess if that is what they are trying to do with F-Zero, maybe we should count our blessings on that one for a franchise not being ruined?
There’s no need for a grand new idea. The only real reason for gameplay overhauls are for spin-offs or flat out new IPs. We just want Nintendo to expand on what’s already there. Add new tracks, characters, online play, fancy new graphics. That would make us all happy.
That’s pretty much what Mario Kart does too. I mean they usually add some new mechanic but nothing that “grand” that changes the original formula. Like anti-gravity in 8... it’s neat but it really doesn’t add a ton of functionality. Aside from that Mario Kart 8 is just awesome because it’s the newest and most featured entry with tight controls.
Point is F-Zero deserves another chance, even a smaller budget game or one made by a different developer would be fine!
There’s a ton of “big ideas” in the racing genre Nintendo could pinch and polish. Great story and career modes, combat, varied missions, RPG elements - or the big idea can be nailing arcade racing without items.
The F-Zero franchise could literally be elevated to Cyberpunk 2077 levels of breadth with some imagination.
@SpringDivorce And I see you mentioned New Super, so I see you haven't spent much time with them but I have so here we go. NSMB Wii introduced Yoshi, a World Map, simultaneous multiplayer (and 4 player to boot), the mid-air twitch that gives you a little extra air time, all the levels are unique and introduce new mechanics all of the time. NSMB2 is entirely based on the idea of collecting a ridiculous number of coins, so there's coins everywhere to collect whereas before they were a passing thing but now might be worth stopping for. It also introduced the much-beloved raccoon tail from SMB3, a new for the New Super Mario Bros. series, as well as DLC level packs, something else that's never been done and it like NSMB is also missing the mid-air jerk. Then NSMB WII U introduced Nabbit, challenge mode, simultaneous asynchronous multiplayer, miiverse comments on the world map, and with the NSLU expansion it made the whole game quicker than ever with the levels only having 99 seconds and no checkpoints and of course all new levels each with it's own unique mechanics as all the games do.
Sorry Nintendo but not bringing it back means it's dead plain and simple.
@jingounchained
If F-Zero sold as much as NSMB, I'm sure multiple F-Zero games would have released on NDS + Wii + 3DS + Wii U + Switch
@mattmayatt I'd even take a remaster of Blue Storm on Switch. I've been wanting something Wave Race for years now...
Nintendo is definitely overthinking F-Zero.
A remaster of GX on Switch would suffice for most hardcore fans.
Nintendo's innovate or nothing standpoint is hands down their greatest flaw. We love their franchises for what they are and would be happy with simple upgrades, but they force their developers to reimagine every game or else. Don't get me wrong, this view on game design made games like Breathe of the Wild possible, but smaller franchises like Star Fox, and Metroid have basically died because of this and shouldn't be held to the same standards.
They're willing to bring back New Soup Mario because they gave him a flying squirrel suit but they don't have ANY ideas for a fast, futuristic, cyberpunk racing game?
Adding to the list of co-signers for an F-Zero GX remaster. It was a Gamecube game for goodness' sakes...many of today's gamers likely never even know it exists, and it's not just the best F-Zero, but one of the best racing games ever period. Not many out there let you put together your own racing machines.
This must be why Nintendo lets so many of it's IPs stagnate. They can't think of new ideas. I almost feel like they're forced to come up with some new gimmick before the higher ups give them the ok. Not like it's always for the better, I remember people disliking the gimmick that was using the WiiU screen in star fox.
Hey nintendo...it doesn't have to break the mold everytime...just needs to be as good as the best u got with new tracks and unique racers.
Why do they need a gimmick. It’s a racing game. Give us new tracks, cars, smooth graphics, and good frame rate we’re good. Mario kart gets some new things like paragliders, but it’s just a kart racer. They made 8 of those for crisp sake!
They don't need to do anything new, it's been 18 years since the last major release, update the graphics, add online play, there are millions of gamers today who weren't even born when the last game was out, it will be new to them.
Management mode. Trade pilots, manage tactics, buy upgrades etc.
Never been a problem for MK or smash even though it's not a racing game
Plus like many others said we've not had online mp yet, and theres room to add some new things here and there.
I think they just worry about sale numbers being good enough but c'mon how big a budget do they even need with a game like this, certainly not as much as say botw2 or metroid prime 4
At least Nintendo spoke up, and I have to agree with them why they are reluctant to bring it back. Nintendo would have to spend twice as much on advertising for this in comparison to their bigger franchises, which isn't necessarily easy if people are so focused on a huge upcoming game anyways.
@westman98 Only way we would’ve known is if they had actually released entries on those systems haha..
The F-Zero Anime fueled two bad GBA games (GP and Climax) and killed the franchise.
@Nintendo_Thumb That’s my point. You said you were concerned with Nintendo making cookie cutter games, so I want you to look at the space between the releases and ask yourself if that was the case with F Zero. Past sales history are not an indication of whether or not a new release does well. A lot of successful games not only were great games, but also came at great times. It’s a measure that you cannot predict.
New Super Mario Bros
New Super Mario Bros Wii
New Super Mario Bros 2
New Super Mario Bros U
New Super Mario Bros Deluxe
Just remake F-zero GX or X, people will buy it for online alone.
Just give it to Toshihiro Nagoshi, he knows what to do with it
It kinda pains me to say this, but I honestly think it is far more likely that Nintendo includes a "F-Zero Mode" in the next Mario Kart game where the karts travel ridiculously fast (i.e. 300-400cc) rather than making a new F-Zero game or even porting GX to Switch.
I just don't think there are many people at Nintendo EPD who are interested in making a new F-Zero title, and the series isn't commercially successful enough for Nintendo's executives to demand a new entry regardless of internal developer interest in the IP.
@BloodNinja Past sales history not being an indication of anything, I'd rather have some more dormant franchises. We just got an entry in this series 17 years ago, it was on 4 different consoles. How about some Gyromite, they basically saved the industry with that game, or a new Balloon Fight or Wrecking Crew or Stunt Race FX or Doshin The Giant. It feels like they've got other brands much more deserving of another try. The last home console F Zero was already a 3d game on somewhat modern hardware (it was the worst selling game in the franchise when it was released), it doesn't have much room to evolve at this point, unlike their older underutilized franchises.
Still miles better than what Sony is trying to do by purposefully not working on neglected franchises
This is really just crap they try to justify hiding behind. He says this, Miyamoto says this all the time and it's Nintendos seemingly generic response about a franchise like F-Zero, but at the same time they will churn out stuff like Mario games, which I'm sorry, most of which have not had any 'grand new ideas' in a long time.
What this really means is the franchise isn't as big and financially successful as their major ones, so they aren't willing to do anything with it.
Jeez what a facepalm debacle. 😔
Innovation is a "respectable" reason for determining if a sequel is necessary, fair enough, buy it's not the only factor. Sometimes popularity is enough, or demand, or simply adding something small that takes it to the another level-- Someone previously mentioned F-Zero has never been online. BOOM! Sounds reason enough right there. Nintendo just has to decide when they want to stop making excuses for this series AND JUST COME ON WITH IT!
Well, since Nintendo has a premier racing game already, you could instead ask "what can I accomplish with F Zero that I can't do with Mariokart?" Don't get me wrong, Mariokart is a great franchise. But Nintendo has a very distinct identity in mind for it. F Zero could be an alternative, or a testing ground.. or just a legacy franchise.
@Noid Um, each new Kirby game does indeed introduce a new major mechanic or even an entirely different gameplay style. (Personally, I think the latter is actually a major problem with the series, as I much prefer the more traditional Kirby games over the alternative ones like "Canvas Curse, "Mass Attack, "Epic Yarn," etc.) However, even the more traditional ones always add new mechanics like combining powers, maze exploration, super-size power-ups, plane jumping, mechs, turning enemy mooks into allies, etc.
Well, you made a bunch of Mario games without new ideas, and worse, made the spin-offs suffer because of conforming to the same lack of ideas.
When you haven’t made a new game from 20 years, just making a new game like the last one will be fresh for most players, especially as they’ve never had the chance to play the originals
They could try and port the GameCube F-Zero game to Switch to garner interest. Not much of the fanbase knows F-Zero, just Captain Falcon cause of Smash. To majority it will be a new game. Could also take that base game and make an rpg element for it utilizing the F-Zero world, create, buy cars, really go in-depth with the cyberpunk aesthetics and use some F1 racing elements, who knows.
Or lets some of the younger generations take the franchise for a spin and develop some fresh ideas. I mean EA and 2k can churn out NBA2K and FIFA every year and its basically the same game with barely any new whistles or bells.
I hate hate HATE this line of thinking 😩
Of course I love Nintendo’s creativity, but innovation for innovation’s sake is meaninglessness and damaging - it’s been over a decade, no shame in iterating on a successful formula...
Here's a grand idea: F-Zero Ultimate! It's F-Zero X updated, complete with track editor, and another 40 tracks from the SNES, GBA, GC and arcade. All with 4 player split screen.
Edit: Can we stop the GX idea from GC. That's a Sega game. Half the tracks are rubbish. They ruined them with obstacles and poor flow. We need a pure Nintendo game, and that is X from N64. Of course, add the best tracks from GX and AX, and the 16 bit era, as above.
@Nintendo_Thumb
You're reaching massively. Each of these games is an iteration that builds slightly on what came before it. Yes, they all have their own little things, but they're still pretty much interchangeable to the average gamer. You can pick up any Mario Kart (bar the original maybe), put some time in, and feel right at home with literally any other game in the series. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it makes a mockery of the idea that F-Zero needs some sort of hook to make it worth bringing back.
Talking about ideas, Nintendo should make a new pilot wings similar to Microsoft flight simulator. Obviously not as realistic but being able to fly to different destinations in the Nintendo universe would be great and flying with others online.
Of course new courses etc.
But have the same online structure as Mario Kart.
Simple, easy to use and the points system.
Its crazy to think of all the franchises Nintendo have which are lying dormant:
Gamecube era and further back:
FZero
Waverace
1080
Mother
There are the furthest back and the ones you tend to here the most online talk about. But then you also have more recent dormant franchises like:
Wii/DS/3DS era
Kid Icarus
Excite (Bike/Trucks/Bots)
Pilotwings
Another Code
Punch Out
Wars series
Golden Sun
All could be brought back in interesting ways
Sounds about as convincing as when Bond said it at the end of On Her Majesty’s Secret Service sadly! But I would like to see it return to the Nintendo fold at some point.
Wakey wakey then.
Stupid.
All these people saying they would buy F-Zero now, yet didn't when it was at the peak of if it's foundation (GX).
This same fradulent behavior extends to the Metroid and Star Fox games too.
I get what they're saying, but why not at least give us an HD remaster of GX? Merge in the AX content too, and a course creator similar to what X had to offer, and that'd be a solid release that easily would sell well. That'd really be all you need, allow custom tracks to be shared, and if nintendo were real cool, entertain the idea of adding more official courses to the game down the line via DLC.
@JuiceMan_V at least Metroid and Star Fox games still get made though.
@Morph I personally wish we could see a new StarTropics game. That series was great but died with the NES.
I want a remaster Miyamoto. Stop playing dumb 😑
It doesn't really need a "new exciting way to play"
But maybe "play with your friends from all over the world" might be grand enough
Says the man that made a horrible Starfox game 4 years later based on Starfox 64 which was based on the original Starfox. I just think Shiggy holds all the potential all these games have to spite on fans.
@GameOtaku because the Mario Kart franchise sell well compared to the F-Zero franchise, why spent hundred of dolars in a new F-Zero game and it flop on Switch, when Nintendo can release Mario Kart 9 on Switch and sell milions of units.
@JuiceMan_V Nintendo is still doing games for the Metroid franchise with Metroid Prime 4 and the rumored 2D Metroid game that continues the Metroid Fusion history.
sadly Nintendo don't focus on F-Zero, because the franchise is a comercial flop(only 6.67 milions units sold the franchise sold in total), so why wasted precious development resources on a new F-Zero game, when Nintendo can release Mario Kart 9 on Switch or it sucessor, and sell 30/45 milions units sold?see that why F-Zero is never coming releasing on Switch or future Nintendo consoles, everyone sugestion of ideas/gameplay of a new F-Zero game is not worth for a new F-Zero game on Switch or future Nintendo consoles, F-Zero need a Breath of the Wild level game/idea to suceed, not this predictable standard 1080 HD 60fps online ideas/mechanics everyone is sugesting here.
@Giancarlothomaz
It sells because they make games for the series. If they don’t make games in the series how can you say if it would sell?
@YANDMAN well we have two problems - how can one improve on F Zero GX?
The Nintendo Switch or Nintendo network couldn't handle the required 30 racers in online mode.
I would say that is the two sticking points. Releasing an F Zero game now with only 12 opponents would be an embarrassment, Nintendo are likely 3 generations away from having the setup to support that.
@Ogbert There was a track editor in the Japanese version of F-Zero X with the 64DD. I wouldn't mind seeing a port of that on Switch.
if Nintendo could make 4 New Super Mario Bros. games that were virtually the same I think we can get a new F-Zero...
tf they talking about..
"Without a grand new idea, it’s hard to bring it back"
Said no Call of Duty or Madden developer ever.
Or as others have mentioned, even Nintendo themselves with Mario Kart.
Graphical fidelity better than the F-Zero series has ever seen, along with online play ,are both good reasons to bring it back. Odd that Nintendo can see the demand and choose not to cater to it. I appreciate wanting to innovate and not make another game just to make it. But 17 years is more than enough of a break between entries.
Maybe with Metroid Dread bringing that franchise out of hibernation (one remake notwithstanding) Nintendo will finally give F-Zero another crack.
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