Nintendo Isn't Backing Down On Its Decision To Pull Mario Products From Stores This Month

WAIT that means super Mario maker 1 right, 2 will live on?

There has to be a twist right? Like for example they’re just gonna sell the games individually on the eshop or something instead of selling them as a package?

...and then 3D All Stars will be released "a la piece" on the eShop down the line.

@FroZtedFlakerZz yea only the wii u version

Not Mario 35 nooooooo

I don't like to buy games by under pressure of time limit.
I have to buy Mario 3D All Stars for this March 2021 purchase and update the game before 31 March 2021.
Actually i was planning to buy Beatmania IIDX and Pop'n Music PS2 games on this month but i have to delay it to April 2021.

That's unfortunate to hear. Especially when you're feeding their families by gaming, and no explanation!? It'd be nice if we could stand in solidarity as Nintendo fans and just not play games with this limited release nonsense.

@FroZtedFlakerZz Yeah

Please nintendo. If you make a zelda 3D all stars, don't do this again

Nintendo doesn’t really seem to care about their customer base. That’s been abundantly clear with animal crossing as well. Making a half baked game and charging full price for it, trickling a tiny drip of updates and impossible to get event items, when we have everything available from day one on every single previous animal crossing game. Why not rip Mario apart too? Seems like someone working there just has way too much hate for the Nintendo fans. Oh and don’t even get me started on all the remakes they do, just to cash in, rather than making whole new games. 🙄

The best part about all of this is that I get to read a bunch of comments from people who know how to run a multinational corporation. It will give me a leg up when I want to run a multinational corporation.

@Kiyata Impossible to get? I'm only allowed to play 4 hours max a week and I've gotten like all of them.

@JimmySpades Including a long list of people who have obviously run very successful businesses, some for over 20 years!

We really do have a wellspring of knowledge to draw from in this comment section

I asked (and got) 3D All Stars for Christmas (physical) to prepare for this inevitability.

I may not get around to playing the games (as I have already played them once before when they were "new" on their original systems), but now I now have a collectors item. Looking back, I should have kept it in the shrink wrap.

I do agree though, this is a pretty crappy thing to do. I mean, I can understand cutting off physical version production, but keep the digital version.

I didn't renew my online subscription this year due to stuff like this. Sometimes their practices resemble a failing business/brand not a fully functioning one never mind industry-leading.

@JimmySpades Well here's a big businessman tip for you on the house, my good bootlicking friend:

When people are willing to buy something, especially when that something is a lazy port of something you've already sold and cashed in on, don't stop selling it or you'll stop getting money from it as well as lose out on consumer good will.

Don't tell anybody though, that's a big industry secret.

i really don't understand this decision to pull all digital content in addition to physical copies. the disney vault strategy is irrelevant in 2021. if people want to play these games, they'll find a way to do so.

Glad I got a physical copy of Mario 3D All Stars.

Has anyone not bought it yet? I mean it’s for fans. Nothing anti consumer about it.

I am a little gutted that Super Mario 35 might be disappearing forever. That game is so darn fun.

It’s Mario day in 9 days (Mar10) and it should be abundantly clear to all that on that day they’ll announce this was all a big, funny prank and the warmth you’ll feel will be unrivalled as Nintendo once again live up to their slogan: ‘A bit committed to is funny eventually, a rushed bit is unfunny forever’

Nintendo stopping printing the All Stars game makes sense, it is to celebrate the 35th Anniversary so it has to be a limited event, they can't still be printing it by the time the 40th anniversary rolls around for instance.

The games in the collection will almost definitely be available as separate purchases on eshop later.

Mario 35 is going to be the one that hurts, it has been great fun and I am hoping it gets rebranded and released in another form. It is also free so I can't really complain too much.

Bleh, it wouldn't surprise me if the physical copies keep bumbling around of 3D All Stars. With how many copies sold, I can't see it being impossible to get. I can also sort of understand why they are removing the Game & Watch.

No clue why they are removing Fire Emblem from the eShop though, especially after the effort of translation.

@GrailUK I haven't bought it yet, but that is because I don't enjoy Mario games. Last one I played was Odyssey as there was nothing really out at the time for the Switch, played to the end of the "story" then deleted and never touched it again.

@GrailUK It was the mad scramble when it came out in September, people fighting each other in the streets knowing they only had until the end of this month to snag a copy.

I'm fine with this tbh. Makes it feel special to have been able to live through the 35th anniversary.

Notice how things have went downhill since that new Japanese CEO took over?

I mean profits are up, but consumer satisfaction has to be down.

Some folks level of appreciation really irks me. Nintendo make a free game to get people moving in lockdown. A free game to celebrate an anniversary. Games for moments. And all some folk can do is moan they aren’t forever. Some folk over think stuff.

This is very anti consumer. What happens if someone gets a switch this Christmas?? We all know the price of these physical copies are going to be insanely high. Worse yet, Mario all stars easily could have been an evergreen title going forward.

Instead, nintendo is pulling the plug for no other reason than to create a scarce market. It’s exactly the same crap that Disney used to pull with the Disney Vault.

They're a business, not your friend. They haven't existed this long and this lucratively by being whatever you think pro-consumer means. I love their games too but I know the only love from Nintendo is their love of my wallet.

On to the next big thing. It stinks when when we lose access to games, sure, but it’s going to happen sooner rather than later with so much going digital.

I know I’m not in the popular opinion, but I don’t get all the complaining.

@Beatrice Shouldnt surprise anyone. Nintendo has been anti consumer for years.
Their youtube policy, the price fixing of 1st party titles. Never updating the Switch OS even though consumers have been asking for theme and folders etc since launch.

Nintendo is the definition of anti-consumer.

Plus-maybe Mario 35’s departure means a LoZ35 is on the horizon? =)

It's hilarious to see people try to defend this stuff.

Keeping the value up….
We need to understand that paying 60 bucks for a port is a blessing. Kisses Nintendo.

This is genuinely upsetting. I never thought Nintendo would become the "anti-consumer cash grab" company. Holding their own games hostage and saying "buy it now or you might never see it again" is just so pointlessly cynical. I just don't get it and I refuse to pay them money for this BS.

@Madder128 Both Nintendo and Sony. New quarterly-profit driven management, new anti-consumer, profit-growth driven behavior. The apologists on both sides don't seem to mind, but that can't be good long-term for either of them. A year of pandemic buying and abnormally high video game purchases has got to be boosting the appearance of effective management on some very ineffective managers. I do wonder when(ever) the world resets and people stop buying so much video games if these guys will end up looking flat footed. Nintendo's selling half-baked everything and milking the well dry. And Sony's shutting down all diversity, hoisting prices, and focusing on only the most expensive to make games that reach the widest, broadest, most watered down Hollywood audiences. When only MS makes sense and feels like it cares, you know the world is upside down.

Sony and Nintendo seem to be mirror images of each other lately. Or mirror images of Activision. It's hard to tell sometimes.

@Kiyata Remakes? What remakes? They're just ports with a few bits added. Or, worse, emulated roms. By Nintendo's logic everything on PS5/XS BC is a "remake"

As long as we have physical copies I don't mind. It's when they do digital only stuff only to pull it later that we have a really serious problem..

Shameful of them tbh, literally no valid reason in this day and age to do this, fair enough if physical sales were pulled, but digital? Scummy business move

In the end, every game ever has had limited availability, and there are far more copies of All-Stars out there than many other games.

@Beatrice They've been doing this for years, they did it with the Kirby and Metroid Prime collections. It's not a new thing.

This isn’t about Nintendo being “anti-consumer” - god I hate that term that millennials use to describe practically anything from any company that isn’t basically FREE, lol! This is Nintendo being Nintendo! They’re the all-time masters of manipulating the concept of ‘Supply vs. Demand’ in their favour. A big part of the reason many “rare” or hard-to-find cartridges for NES, SNES & N64 are so expensive for retro collectors is because of them and their overly stringent policies and limiting how many cartridges 3rd parties were allowed to produce. Then just watch in 15 years they’ll re-release Super Mario 3D All-Stars again for the 50th anniversary of Mario...but only for a limited time of course

I'm certain Ninty's had a chat with scalpers and come to an arrangement.

@SleeplessKnight

Pretty good examples of some anti consumer activities there. So you have proven people's points.

@GrailUK

THIS. Nintendo is trying to cultivate ways of bringing everyone together. This is nothing different from a SplatFest or a Pokémon GO Community Day. It's just a longer period celebration. And when the celebration is over, it's time to focus on the next thing.

You can buy Super Mario 3D All-Stars and Fire Emblem 1 RIGHT NOW on the eShop. There's NOTHING preventing you from doing so if you've got internet and Switch. physical limitations may exist, but the digital library exists. If you REALLY want to play those specific releases of the games, you can go and buy them, whether ordering from a online dealership, or buy them directly and digitally from Nintendo, or finding a store that has a physical copy there. I saw physical copies of Fire Emblem 1 and Super Mario 3D All-Stars at the Nintendo NY store this weekend. They still exist. Nothing is forever. Nintendo NY doesn't sell 3DSes anymore. Does that make it anti-consumerist, because some people feel entitled to be able to buy a 3DS four years after Nintendo released their follow-up handheld?

This is all about moving on to the next phenomenon. People were upset that there weren't major Zelda, Pokémon, Metroid, Donkey Kong, or even Kid Icarus or Golden Sun anniversary content in the recent Nintendo Direct (all of which are in an anniversary year). Welp, The Pokémon Company was waiting for Pokémon Day to drop their announcements. Zelda and the other big names? They need to wait until Nintendo is done celebration the anniversary of Mario and Fire Emblem. These are limited time events so that they don't get in the way of drumming up the sales for the big Zelda, etc releases this year. Why do you think the ONLY Zelda remake announced was Skyward Sword HD? Clearly, they're going to release other Zelda games later in the year, but they're not going to announce those until we're already having fun playing SSHD - or else those games would eat into the sales of Skyward Sword! Right now, the hot "new" Zelda game to preorder is Skyward Sword, and it's selling out on Amazon!

Nintendo understands FOMO very well. This is S-class marketing.

@Nerdtendowastaken

Nah.

@Beatrice Agreed. Pulling games like this is stupid and "The Vault" is a really good comparison.

Wouldn't at all surprise me if they remove All-Stars from the SNES Switch Online app too, just because they can.

Super Mario Bros. 35 ceasing to exist is such a waste. Really hoping for an expanded "Plus" retail release later this year.

I think the 3D all stars decision makes sense if N64 games are being added to NSO. I can't see Nintendo selling a game in a pack which is also available via their online service...

so IF N64 games were added, hopefully we'd see Sunshine + Galaxy available as individual purchases...and when they announced they could make Galaxy 2 available too!!

Seriously, I'm waiting for a countdown to midnight of April 1, 2021 and a HUGE April Fool's Day video starts playing afterwards. One would hope!

I’ll miss Mario 35.
Mario all stars will be easy to get even after March 31st. They have so much stock

Nintendo, I know you usually bury the treasure, but what if this time, you use it to buy things? You know, things you like.

How many games has everyone bought the last 6 months?

Complaining now seems like your priorities weren't straight.

Oh no. I didn’t have enough time to get my copy of 3D All-Stars.

I still can’t understand the outrage over this. I get that it could lead to worse things, but this in itself is not really a big deal. Lots of games only last a year or two before being out of print, this isn’t that much worse. Buy what’s available. If it’s not and you need it, find it used like we’ve always been doing.

@Sk8boyP Sorry, but I'm still going to play them.

I got all the Mario games I want, still lame that this is happening though.

@Beatrice Anti-consumer? Haha! That's funny.

@Sirloto If you buy it on the eShop you can always redownload it, even if it's delisted.

@shonenjump86 I wouldn't say it's lame. It gives a special feeling to the products. It makes them feel like they have extra value.

"Consumers" are overrated. The game has been available for months, not everything has to be sold for nickles or always exist for when consumers finally decide to come calling.

@marandahir Couldn't have said it better my friend.

@Zochmenos Exactly.

@Beatrice Could explain how this is Anti-Consumer?
If I can recall Nintendo did announce this even before the release and this is nothing that the consumer requires.

Limited edition have been around for over 50 years in all markets.

I'm not sure about Super Mario 35 (unless it's to sell more online subscriptions in a short burst), but aside from the "it's just for the anniversary" excuse, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the greedier people running Nintendo really just want to sell as many copies in as short amount of time of Super Mario 3D All-Stars and Fire Emblem as they can, and as disgusting as the limited supply and time methods are, they usually work. People are more likely to buy things if they don't believe they can buy them later.

@Tao That you went straight to the ad hominen insult proves my point. But you undoubtedly already knew that.

@DrDaisy It isn't greed. As others said, this is like a splatfest. It's a limited time event that current Mario fans can enjoy and relish in. When it ends, we move on to Zelda, DK, etc.

@JimmySpades Simple rule around these parts, if you don't feel the way they feel, you're a bootlicker and part of the problem. Everything is black or white.

@Nerdtendowastaken You mean, Nintendo researched a PIRATE!?! How awful! I can't believe they would attempt LEGAL ACTION!

@Mario-Time-Whoa You seem like the definition of the type of apologetic superfan Carck was talking about. Be careful not to ingest all that boot polish building up in your mouth.

@MS7000

The Fire Emblem removal is one I take exception to, especially with regards to being removed from the eshop.

The All Stars Collection is fine as those games can be released stand alone after March on the eshop.

Fire Emblem is one game and it should remain on the eshop after March, just let the physical edition disappear.

I still haven't seen a Game & Watch anywhere in stores, and I refuse to pay double to some scalper.

@NEStalgia They may not be much, but the soundtracks in Super Mario 3D All-Stars and the extra game that comes with the Switch port of Super Mario 3D World are hardly nothing. Still, I'd probably rather have gotten Super Mario 3D World for $20 less instead of seeing one of my most hated game characters again. (Seriously, Bowser Jr is one or the reasons I have so little respect for Shigeru Miyamoto these days.)

I'm not buying Super Mario 3D All-Stars as a limited release, plain and simple.

@BoilerBroJoe

Vote with your wallet, I respect that.

I think it's kind of funny that some people think they wont be able to find Super Mario 3D All-stars after March. While I'm only guessing that Nintendo made tons of copies, I'm willing to bet you'll find new copies in stores for months.

Something I'm more confident about is finding used copies. They are going to be easy to find for years! Especially when idiots like me accidentally bought two copies and forgot about one of them!

@DrDaisy Why don't you like Bowser Jr? I've been a big fan since Sunshine... Love his design and find his bratty attitude amusing! I always play as him in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (standard Kart, roller wheels, Animal Crossing glider!)

@Clyde_Radcliffe Agreed, Bowser Jr. is fun, lol. What an unbelievable reason to be angry at Nintendo or Miyamoto(?!). How bizarre.

@Gwynbleidd

Did that change your view on CDPR?

@NEStalgia very well put.

Yeah the whole thing is disappointing.
They only have one format to make for, and output seems lower than ever.

My only assumption is they are trying to cut corners when it comes to funding.

Alsong as shareholders are happy, Nintendo are happy.

@Gwynbleidd

Despite the fact that CDPR released a clearly broken game and outright lied about the quality of the console ports?

I won't criticise but it shows none of us are perfect and we all can be "Justbecausetheyrefans(TM)" with certain companies.

Nintendo has said that future Mario and Zelda games will be open world. From that perspective, I think it's unlikely that we'll see individual releases of these games digitally and may not ever see again them for years. Certainly not until after the release of Mario Odyssey 2. What we may see are homage worlds in newer Mario games a la the 2d platforming sections in Odyssey. I could see a "Galaxy World" in a future game, for example. I think 3d all stars is likely the "last hurrah" for this style of 3d mario.

Similarly, after watching that most recent Direct, I don't expect remakes of the Twilight Princess or Wind Waker anytime soon. While it's crazy to imagine, I think a remake of the original Zelda, which after-all was very non-linear is more likely than another remaster of TP or WW.

It might seem to a lot of fans like remastering these games is easy, and releasing them is basically like printing money, but you have to remember that the average consumer attach rate is low compared to the people who post in comment sections, and Nintendo is probably not interested in competing with itself between old-style linear games and it's future in making primarily open-world games.

More speculatively, I also think that the reason Metroid Prime 4 is being remade completely from scratch could be because the original game was simply too linear for Nintendo's vision of itself.

This is an explanation, not a defense. This is undeniably annoying, and I wish Nintendo made it as easy to access their all of their old games as, say GOG or Steam.

@Clyde_Radcliffe After he was introduced in Sunshine, the rest of Bowser's children were demoted to mere minions and had their relationship to him retroactively altered. The father-son theme has been done to death in seemingly every form of entertainment and I'm just sick of it.

@Gwynbleidd

I was just reacting to your "Justbecausetheyrefans(TM)" bit which you seem equally culpable of is all, so not off topic. I assume you will be avoiding CDPR's next game after the Cyberpunk debacle.

@JimmySpades I haven’t commented here in years but your comment made me snicker out loud in the bathroom.
I, too now have the power and knowledge to take over the corporate world!

I have a saled and a digital copy 3D Mario All-star i'm keeping the saled copy thats gonna be worth a lot of money in a few years

@Nerdtendowastaken

Dear goodness no, I don't care.

@Nerdtendowastaken

***** and giggles.

@Gwynbleidd

So you read the backlash about Cyberpunk and still chose to buy the mess?!

If that isn't an example of "Justbecausetheyrefans(TM)" I don't know what is.

I just don’t get it... especially Mario 35 which is a really fun and neat little game that I only recently got into.

@Gwynbleidd

It is not off topic, your comment was about people buying things off their favourite company despite tricks that company has pulled. You have done the same with CDPR, so a bit hypocritical no?

@Gwynbleidd

You too!

Didn't we already know these products were going to be limited time releases? I still think it's terrible but is nothing new from Nintendo. Logic dictates they would sell more if they kept products available. Stupid.

Nintendo being the most anti consumer of the 3 atm, just leave the games on the store and stop charging full price for ports

I do intend to (finally) pick up Super Mario 3D All-Stars later this month should Nintendo not announce an alternative. I'd mainly be getting it to try Super Mario Sunshine and am hoping we catch wind of separate digital eShop downloads or something. They'd be nuts to sink such a nostalgic cash cow like this.

I'll give it a couple weeks before I bite. Local retailers that I've checked still have plenty of physical copies available.

Those who are supporting Nintendo in this, I wish your most anticipated game in the future is available for 7 days and your car breaks down and your internet stops working during that entire week. For good measures, there also comes a storm and everyone needs to stay indoors.
P.S. Mario is not my favorite franchise and I probably would not buy 3D All Stars, but the defense Nintendo gets for this is really pathetic.

@San_D

Calm down son it is only videogames.

Do you think stores will have a sale on Mario 3D All-Stars 1-2 weeks before they take it off the shelves?

@TheFullAndy I am calm. I am just putting things in perspective for those who are supporting Nintendo in this stunt.

@Silly_G Really? Where do you live? My local Target has at least 20 G&W systems just sitting on the shelf

I have my expectations high on what game they are planning to release in replace of Mario 35!! Love that game!
Surely they have a plan, don't they?

@San_D

So someone who bought Mario 3D All Stars should suffer all those things you suggested?

@Zequio

Hopefully Mario 99!

My gut says when the Mario 35 products are pulled, Zelda 35 products will be announced and start to appear. I think this is why we haven't yet seen celebrations for Zelda's 35th, because they don't want to overlap 35 year anniversary celebrations.

Funny it happens one day before April Fool's Day.

@duffmmann

Can't see anything being announced for Zelda's 35th until after Skyward Sword"s release.

@San_D seems like an overreaction to a collection of 3 old Mario games and a 35 player Mario Bros 1 deathmatch game being pulled. Like I'd get the sentiment if we were talking about a similar scenario playing out for the likes of Mario Odyssey or Breath of the Wild. But these are just a couple of phoned-in titles, really nothing to lose one's ***** over their disappearance of.

@TheFullAndy I have to imagine that Windwaker HD and Twilight Princess HD are inevitably coming to the Switch, what better year than this one? Plus in a Zelda 35th Direct, you just know that would be where they finally showcase BOTW2 beyond the teaser we've got.

Furthermore, I wouldn't be shocked if Grezzo has been up to something. Wouldn't be all that hard to take the engine they made for Link's Awakening and bring Oracle of Ages and Seasons to the Switch.

I'm not saying all of that is in the works. But I think we'd have to be pretty naive to assume the only 35th Zelda news we have for the year is Skyward Sword HD and more details of the BOTW sequel.

@Madder128 Yep. Sadly, that's the mantra of most industry. I'm not quite sure when it happened. I still remember when business was about long-term vision and stable growth. Nintendo was one of the very last hold-outs of that old thinking with Iwata. At some point the world changed to "max the quarterly, reward investors, sell tomorrow's assets so the balance sheet is better today! " And then the long spiral of bankruptcies and mergers resulting...

@duffmmann

Oh I am expecting Twilight Princess and Windwaker HD to show up this year (would love HD remaster of Ocarina of Time 3DS too) but expect an announcement around end of August start of September with a September release like there was for Mario All Stars.

I just think Nintendo want all of the focus on Skyward Sword before then.

@Demon-Serph Same here.

@TheFullAndy No, those who are defending Nintendo for doing this. And clearly you don't get a hyperbole.

@San_D

Okey dokey.

@San_D Yeah! Right on!

All those evil parents and grandparents, aunts, uncles, brothers and sisters, husbands, wives, boyfriends/girlfriends buying copies for the people they love who said "I want that Mario game for my Xmas/birthday!" Scum. The lot of them. Don't they even read these comment sections???!!?!??!

@WiltonRoots I have said nothing against them, my comment is solely for those who are defending Nintendo's practices here.

@FroZtedFlakerZz yea I need clarification on tha mario maker thing. I dnt see them taking the servers offline for number 2. But I could be wrong.

@everynowandben : Sydney, Australia.

EB Games hasn't had any in stock since pre-selling out, to my knowledge, nor has Amazon AU (only third-party scalpers), or my local brick and mortars (including our own Target etc.).

As far as I'm concerned, it's a stupid novelty that should have at least had a dozen or two games on it for it to be worth taking out of the box. I just wanted one as a collector's item, but I don't want it badly enough to pay through the nose for it either.

@San_D The people I mentioned make up the overwhelming majority of the people buying this game. They know nothing about these dramas unfolding on specialist gaming sites. I would surely think that they're the problem as they make up most of the sales?

There's also people in here who just don't care as it's just a non-essential limited edition luxury and not really that important in the grand scheme of life. Are they part of the problem and come under the bootlicking defender category too?

@San_D these games were/are available for more than 7 days. None of the other stuff has been reported from those buying the game. So either you tried to make a comparison that didn't work or you just wish bad stuff on ppl

@WiltonRoots These two groups are part of the problem, yes. But my comment is solely towards those who are actively bootlicking; I think my comment was clear enough.

Disney do the same with their movie releases. It used to be a 10 year cycle, thus increasing the value of certain titles. And creating hype for their return. It’s a very clever marketing strategy.

@NEStalgia This time was about never. Heard of the >83 gaming crash ?
Many projects even under Iwata were trashed under their lack of possible marketing success.

I'm just waiting for April 1st to hit and for Nintendo to say, "JKJKJK lol everyone fell for it!"

@Mario-Time-Whoa Nintendo must wear boots made of chocolate.

Come April 1st, I'm sure you can buy these games separately via the eShop.

But I still think limited time Disney vault BS is outdated marketing fluff.

This comes at a good time for me, actually. I'm going to buy up physical copies, keep them sealed, and scalp them.

Thanks, Nintendo, for the business.

NINJA APPROVED

@Kriven I agree with you, ESPECIALLY for digital products. I can understand the limited physical release, but there's literally no reason to pull the digital one.

NINJA APPROVED (what you said, not Nintendo's practice)

These games will be available to purchase seperately. Don't know about fire emblem though... I wonder how much they are going to charge for mario 35. 10 bucks? 20 or 30 if they throw super mario world 35 in there?

I can't help but want to flip them the bird. I won't cave for this, although I really want sunshine. This is just not okay!

@marandahir I agree with you

@garfreek

You will most likely be able to buy Sunshine separately on the eshop after March.

Man... Really not amused with Mario Maker getting shoved. Meanwhile on other platforms you can still play 15 year old games online... Smh.

I know it’s illogical but... the reason these games exist was to celebrate the anniversary of Mario. Mario anniversary ends... so do the games .

It’s weird. But Nintendo is weird.

@BloodNinja I think you’ll struggle to make a good return with over 10m units in the market place. Limited run, not limited quantity

@NEStalgia Actually, the limited time release is about extending the life of products. It keeps the Mario games at ultimate value. Now it’s £50 a game, rather than a £50 collection

@Clyde_Radcliffe Exactly, this isnt really anything new (except for suspension of digital distribution). Their anniversary celebrations come and go. It happens folks

@JimmySpades “Nintendo is so greedy that they’re refusing to maximize profits!!!”

It’s always interesting to me how diehard Nintendo fanboys apparently never knew (or aren’t old enough to have the reference)

A) that previous Super Mario All Stars combinations were also only available for a limited time

B) that Nintendo is already stopping production on most switch physicals, which is why we never see DOOM or Bayonetta taking up shelf space, they’re just both announcing it and including digital in this one.

Let's boycott Nintendo! Whose with me? Wait ... I'm not even with me.

@Dringo You would be surprised what people will pay for stuff like this. Ain’t my first rodeo

NINJA APPROVED

For the record, deciding to pull products after a specific amount of time, is not anti-consumer.

Nintendo doesn’t really like money, im also 90% certain they dislike the majority of their customer base too. I wonder if they're about to pull another Wii U and we're about to show them who pays their bills again.

I smell it coming. All the signs are there.

So what would be worse, to pull the products, ?or go back on their word

Ridiculous decision is still ridiculous.

@Razer I don't know that they're going to mess up on that level, but it seems to be an industry rule that wild success must always be followed by abyssal failure. NES & SNES & GB followed by Virtual Boy, N64, and GCN. Wii Followed by WiiU. PS2 followed by PS3. PSP followed by PS Vita. X360 followed by X1..... Atari 2600 followed by...........

Every time one of these companies sees huge success they bring in the money men to manage the quarterly. Then they learn the wrong lessons and apply them the next time, and it doesn't work like they expected.

I don't know if Switch 2 is going that way yet....but yeah, it's feeling like "old successful Nintendo." Which is usually followed by "sleeping in a van down by the river Nintendo." Which is usually when we get good games.....

They can't pull out physical copies that haven't been sold yet, can they?

If Nintendo went back on it now it would set a precedent that would be difficult to go back on- fans would feel that they could force Nintendo to do or not do things in the future.
I'm not surprised it's going ahead as planned at all but Nintendo might not attempt the same kind of trick in the future.

The only one of these that's actually going to die is Mario 35. 3D All-Stars will be split up and sold separately, and Fire Emblem will be added to NES online. This is another AM2R situation, where Nintendo just ended up choosing the worst possible way for all of this to happen.

That being said, it still sucks that this happened in the first place. To paraphrase the great Dunkey, Nintendo is great at making games, and terrible at being a company.

@Razer what? Just sold 8 million units of a game in couple months span. Think they'll be fine

@Zochmenos Yeah, because it's not as if business is a finite resource, and companies wouldn't be able to be survive without its consumers BUYING their products...

@Tao

Most that will buy a Game, buy it in the first Month.
Thats why many AAA Titles get nowadays like 10-15 Percent off not a half year later, to "harvest" the undecided Customers.
Later on the Games sell only for like 5-10 Euro/Dollar.
With the Time Limitation on 3D Allstars they got the undecided Clients without giving the ~10 Percents off and just ignored those little Sellys later on.
Not every Game is a Mario Kart that sells for Years for the same Price.

@Moshugan

No they can not.
They sold it to Markets so they can sell it to us.

Anniversaries aren't supposed to last forever anyway. Last year was only a special one. But I'm sure they'll at least bring back past Mario games like these in the future. Hoping same for Zelda, if they do a similar Collection. Don't pass on Zelda's 35th Anniversary, Nintendo

This does not bother me...

@Silly_G They are overly abundant here. I saw 15-20 copies in my local Target last week.

@mike_intv : You guys are lucky, though you also have a substantially larger market (320 million to our 20 million spread across a marginally smaller land mass).

I have not been aware of any restocks locally since it launched late last year. Still waiting...

@JuiceMan_V Yeah it's like claiming a 50% off sale ending is anti-consumer.

Offering a promotional product for a limited time is perfectly fair.

@WiltonRoots,

Yes there was no way people were going to be able to buy these games in only seven months.

Nintendo creating artificial scarcity to sell more copies?! Never!!!

@Razer,

Yes that must be it, Nintendo do not like money or their customers .

@MoonKnight7 you do know Nintendo stated day 1 that 3d allstars was a limited time collection for mario 35th.its being pulled.

@Moshugan no but the stores wont get any restock so once it's gone its gone

@WiltonRoots,

The people complaining will be the ones who claim there are too many old ports on the Switch in the first place, now they are complaining the limited edition ports are not going to be available, without actually knowing what Nintendo's plans are outside the three game pack.

Man. This thread has been entertaining as all hell! Im enjoying myself thoroughly.
Reminds me of the bad news in the media. We feign outrage or grief, but then a few weeks later, it's as if nothing happened.
No one here is gonna start a "anti Nintendo" group; no one is gonna throw/give away their Nintendo consoles; no one is gonna smash it or torch it in protest. Say your ***** and move on, but in an entertaining manner, please.

In case you've run out of things to complain about:

• xblive/ps+ not having their "free" games available to download, forever
• limited edition consoles, controllers
• Scott pilgrim limited physical copies
• hell, any digital game that has gotten a limited physical release
• Christmas trees not being sold year round
• whole turkeys not being sold year round
• Easter candy only being sold in a seasonal fashion
• any food establishment with "limited time" offerings

They're going right back in the meaningless Nintendo vaults. Nice Disney move there.

@PhhhCough

"Easter candy"

Speaking of which, cadbury's creme eggs are back! Rejoice!

@TheFullAndy HUZZAHS AND HURRAYS!! Love them eggs!

@MrGuinea Underrated comment I didnt even think about April Fools.

Losing 35 is a huge bummer. I've played the crap out of it. Very weird to just blow it up.

@duffmmann heresy! Mario 35 is awesome
With out it we lose 1/2 of the original games offered for "free" with NOS.

Abandon all hope ye who enter here.

@WiltonRoots To be fair I do enjoy the flavor of a quality leather Chelsea boot.

I think they have future plans for 3d all stars and that the games will be released again in some other form. I'm also thinking Mario 64 will be on the online service at some point. Galaxy 1+2 could also have an outing.

Maybe Nintendo will use the success of their limited release of Super Mario 3D All Stars to convince Microsoft to allow a limited release Rare Replay 64 🤣. 25th anniversary of N64 this year, right?

Seriously though I’d rather have time limited re-releases than no re-releases. I appreciate that it is tough for folks with more limited gaming budgets though.

I’d love to see re-releases of the Metroid prime games (I played 1 and 3 a bit many years ago but never finished them). I’d also like to see Windwaker and Twilight Princess re-releases at some point because I haven’t played them.

Really don’t understand the outrage. All of you had plenty of to buy it.

It’s just a game

@San_D You had just described how Texas was last month with that whole sentence.

Just don't care.

No problem. I have no intention of buying overpriced emulated games on switch. I can play them all on PC with much more quality.

***** nintendo on god bro

Limited time, limited stock offers of physical collectors goods celebrating the anniversary of something many people consider their childhoods during a global pandemic which can make shipping difficult to impossible.

Yeah, i also fail to see the issue here to be honest.

As for the digital games. There has to be some kind of a spin to it. This is just way too arbitrary.
If it was just the Mario stuff, sure, anniversary over, done.

But that Fire Emblem game kinda throws a wrench into that.
They went the extra mile to translate an old NES game only to have it vanish on an arbitrary date for no apparent reason?

The game isn't even as significant as their marketing wanted people to believe. "First time ever this story is told in the west"...while apparently completely forgetting that they remade the title on DS before with a world wide release...

Oh well, we'll see.

We'll see either of those games pop up in a Direct this year, or maybe in 2022. The only thing Nintendo wants, probably, is to make sure they can slap a "... by popular demand!" label during the reveal.

The truth is lots of eshop games get delisted all the time, and there are games that end their print run so you can't buy them physically any more. The difference is this doesn't get announced before the game us released.

I get the feeling Nintendo has done this because they want these games to hold their value unlike first party PS titles that end up reduced to £14.99. Yes they are old games, but they probably stand up better than a lot of modern games.

I got it at £50 on release and played it for over 100 hours. For me it was worth it to complete 3 games, one of which I had never played.

@buddyboyman lol People buying Nintendo games with their own hard-earned money are ungrateful! Fortunately Nintendo doesn't produce necessary products like milk, or people would owe their existence to Nintendo by this logic. Way to go!

I think it would be great if Nintendo made more stuff playable on the switch and its sad they don't. Definitely a head scratcher when they pull a move like this. The switch could be so much more than it is for older Nintendo fans and draw gamers away from the emulators/roms. I get the argument that they're big company they only care about money blah blah blah. Very clever. I hear you. I just don't understand some of these moves. Very short term thinking IMHO that leaves a bad taste and it doesn't sell consoles. Instead they leave a big gap to be filled by Chinese pirate consoles which BTW are getting fairly sophisticated.

@buddyboyman are you ok?

@JimmySpades Hahahaha made in Japan, of course.

@buddyboyman

Oh hi michellelynn0976 / NGNYS / Other accounts

Welcome back freak.

Edit: No sane person could actually upvote that comment from buddyboyman so I assume it is their other accounts upvoting themselves. How sad.

I picked up Super Mario 3D All-Stars a few days ago. If I've got some money left after the bills are done, I might get the Game & Watch as well.

@Mario-Time-Whoa lmao imagine defending stalking

@Nerdtendowastaken They're against hackers and try to hire homebrew devs instead of suing them into bankruptcy? <gasp> THESE MONSTERS!! HOW DARE THEY?!

@TheFullAndy,

Used to love those creme eggs back in the day, my dad was working at cadbury schweppes and I remember he came home with a massive bag full of them, can't even think about eating one now...

@johnvboy

Yeah you have to be careful not to overdo it!

However it is still one of my dreams that Cadbury actually releases an Easter Egg sized creme egg with the filling! It would likely kill me to eat it but one of the better ways to go!

Here comes yet another comment section filled with nothing but worthless losers who have nothing better to do than to hate Nintendo

Makes me wonder why these people are on a Nintendo fan site.

@buddyboyman

Makes your first comment even more pathetic then!

Oh, and nah I won't.

@buddyboyman

Read your first comment, will give you a right laugh!

@kuliddar It's still wishful thinking, no actual word from Nintendo about this idea. I'm fairly certain that won't be the case, otherwise they would have announced it by now. And it still doesn't fix Mario 35 and Fire Emblem issue.
So yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath.

@Einherjar The "spin" is money, dear boy. By creating artificial scarcity they are driving the sales up. Even if the timer is as long as six months the intrusive thought that it's going to disappear is still there, and probably caused a few people to buy.
Especially with Fire Emblem, it's creating artificial value for an old product that Japanese users already have access to via NSO. If they released a localized (but not updated with QoL options) version of Fire Emblem in western NSO at the same time as they released the new one it would be less obvious. Even Blizzard made sure to release the old version of StarCraft for free before overcharging for the "remastered" version.

No no no don’t do this yet Nintendo, Super Mario 3D All Stars still hasn’t launched in China on the Switch. China still is in the process of catching up since they just got Yoshi’s Crafted World and no Zelda Breath of the Wild yet. Wait until every region gets Mario 3D All Stars then pull the limited time scheme if you want.

@LUIGITORNADO
Yeah but they are releasing it at a time of high unemployment. A lot of people may not be able to afford it on their tight budget and they give people 6 months to buy it.

If you want it, then buy it. If you don't want it, or want to teach Nintendo a lesson by voting with your wallet (a fat lot of good that will do, but whatever, it's still a valid option), then don't buy it.

Why do people always try to overcomplicate these things?

@CammyUnofficial thats short sighted.

They were fine when the Wii was around. But then their success bred hubris, which then lead them to the Wii U.

Then they weren't doing fine at all.

What im saying is, they are making the same mistakes they made when they were coming off the success of the Wii and into the failure of the Wii U.

Hopefully they can avoid doing that but unfortunately Nintendo have a terrible track record with that.

@johnvboy
NES mini = prints money - taken off market.
SNES mini = Prints money - taken off the market.
Virtual console = Prints Money - basically gone at this point, unavailable on the Switch.
3D Mario All Stars = Prints Money - about to be taken off the market
Super Mario Bros 35 = attracts subscribers to an already skinny online subscription service - about to be taken offline.

I could go on but yeah i see what you mean, i mean why would a company who likes to make money, NOT remove products that make them money.

That makes perfect sense. 🤪

Now excuse my while i go shoot down these flying pigs who are trying to blow my house down.

@Razer,

Pretty sure they are making enough money without all these things, and I think the virtual console service outside of the core gamer was pretty much on it's last legs anyway.

I have also stated we do not know what will happen with these retro Mario games after the all stars collection is removed.

@Tasuki what??! Unfortunately, not where I'm at. The local grocers and the big box stores don't have them. I suppose I could order it from our cafe's meat providers.

@SmaggTheSmug That would make much more sense if we were not talking about games and IP's that sell tons by name alone.

As much as i hate it personally, but Sunshine has been one of the most requested rereleases for decades. You couldn't possibly increase interest in that even more if you could.

And if its purely money, a far more sustainable business decision would be to push Nintendo Online subscriptions with exclusive games like an official FE translation.
That's fixed, calculable (long term) profit, not miniscule proits by an artificially scarcified NES game sold for pocket money.

Same with Mario35. It's a game you could milk with DLC.
5-10 buck packs with new themes, or even shenanigans like battle passes and such.

"It's all about the money" is all well and good as an explanation, if it would actually be the more profitable decision :/

@Einherjar Short term profit which makes shareholders happy. Yeah, in the long term it would make more sense to keep those games in circulation indefinitely. But in the short term it generates spikes that pretend to be a sharp rise in interest. That practice has become common with physical media like tabletop games (limited edition card sets and whatnot), but in the virtual world it's even more blatantly anti-consumer.

@Razer You're right, Nintendo has no idea what they're doing, which is why they've been one of the world's most successful companies for decades and have weathered many ups and downs that drove their competitors out of business.

@Razer I think there's some strategy around it, sometimes it can be better to not offer a product. One thing I noticed during the WiiU/3DS gen that despite Nintendo's big efforts on indie games. The VC games were dominating the download charts.

While selling a VC game is often better for Nintendo profit-wise. Having indie games compete for attention on the same store front as a Nintendo's back catalog for budget prices, probably made things tougher for small devs. When really Nintendo want indies to do the best on Nintendo so that they keep supporting their systems.

This may why Nintendo choose to keep their back catalog off the eShop, restricted to the NES/SNES online apps, and why Fire Emblem is only available temporarily. I think Nintendo are intentionally making sure third parties on Switch don't have to compete with Nintendo at the budget price range.

They're taking those games off-sale so that they can re-sell them again in a few years time as Switch Pro titles XD

Another fine day to see dozens of comments qualifying you as "apologist" and "nintendrone" as long as you aren't in the middle of a fanbrained relapse and can simply decide whether to engage a business's policy or not while letting them decide whether they want to pursue it or not.😄 Dogs bark, the caravan moves on. You think I'm not miffed by, say, Bamco's decision to keep Tales of the Abyss 3D purely physical and a consequent nugget of unobtainium where I live? Yet somehow I'm still alive and drowning in other stuff to play until a better opportunity arises.

I'll lowkey miss SM35 if it isn't reincarnated down the road (although I haven't played it much anyway, it being a purely multiplayer gig after all), yet the rest does little but adjust gaming budget roadmaps on my part. I got 3DAS among the holiday bonus investments, and I've got Fire Emblem marked on eShop for the late March payday (plans to get the Collector's Edition seem to be bust because the thing simply won't show up anywhere in Minsk). End of story.

@nhSnork I know, right? How dare people lambast others trying to justify awful business tactics and corporate decisions which screw everyone over?!

And people being able to voice their frustrations on the internet! The nerve of some people! I mean, it's not as if people can have an opinion on something, and choose to vote with their wallet at the same time. That logic clearly doesn't exist in this world.

Unless stores are expected to mail back every unsold copy it’s going to be on shelves for months or years. Just in my town there are stacks of them split between all the Walmarts, Target, and game stores.

If you still don’t have it and want to save some, it goes for $45-$50 on eBay. That probably won’t change much unless it goes down because it’s not in the news anymore freaking people out.

@Arena1999 I rest my case about fan logic, which is what it takes to see any kind of "apologetics" and "justifications" in place of being REAL. Real about Nintendo being a business out for money, real about you and me and everyone else here bound to replicate every subject of our armchair condemnation in any scenario with us in their shoes. Sane people don't need to dramatize their market relationships - they're not in this first world hobby for business ethics, they can generally live without any content behind an "anticonsumer policy" here, so it's no rocket science for them to let businesses do what they will, then just weigh it up on their own scale of motivation and budget. It's only the fans in us all that go nuts about any obstacle between them and the availability of the desired game (or any other fiction work) because a fan, for all its wallet-voting buzz, rarely comprehends the concept of passing up on its respective aesthetic drug to begin with. And of course, frustrations - a common human thing otherwise - bear voicing in the tone like Nintendo came over and shot one's dog. Addiction is a harsh mistress.

As for opinions, having them is one thing; bringing them to a long-term public access realm like the internet comes with the fine print of every voiced opinion generating other opinions about itself... and the latter won't necessarily pull any punches either.

And points for an attempt at sarcastic repromanding, but condolences for wasting it on a fan-loathing sociopath.😅 Hey, they can't all be super effective.

Oh my god they killed Mario ....

@Nerdtendowastaken So? Just play by the rules? I also can't go to the electronics store pickup a PS5, an iPhone, an M1 MacBook Pro without paying and then expect that nobody would do anything against me...

They probably won't ever consider re-releasing Paper Mario TTYD on the Switch.

@nhSnork It's not so much about business ethnics as what is the most likely scenario and what will drive the market. Sure, people can simply choose rather or not to buy a product which is sold under a marketing strategy, and that discussion would end, there. However, when said marketing strategy alienates a large amount of the consumer base, it could potentially lessen the demand for the product.

I don't think there should be an obstacle of simply obtaining a certain piece of entertainment at all, at least not in this time and age, taking place well after the advent of digital software — which was created specifically to allow people to have another, more convenient means of purchasing something.

Not sure about the drug analogy. It's more about brand loyalty than anything. Nintendo should count themselves lucky to still have die-hard fans trying to make sense out of (the many questionably BAD) decisions they make, even if that loyalty is born out of admiration of the developers at Nintendo, instead of the foreign corporate juggernaut.

Part of me enjoys the never-ending, no-holds-barred, heated nature of many Internet discussions, posts, etc. It's fascinating just how commonly wrong people are without even realizing it; makes you understand the psychological reason why people deny their own mistakes, especially after they've been brought to light. It's a surprisingly great method of self-improvement, too, in my case.

If I was able to provoke such a response out of you, I wouldn't consider it a "wasteful effort".

@Silly_G Since we last posted, Nintendo announced a restock in Australia. And while the US is large, the area where I live has a population roughly equal to Wagga Wagga (NSW).

Still don't understand why the game media and so called "fans" insist on making such a big deal out of this, like it's some sort of apocalypse. Specially when most of these removals don't affect the people complaining about it.

@Nerdtendowastaken Oh come on... Nintendo for sure wouldn't come to your house and claim that you flirted on their CEOs wife or whatever... Look, I'm in early-retirement because of a level of social phobia that makes me useless outside of my house. Even ordering my food on the internet. I have zero fate and trust in people. But not even I would think thaaaat negatively about my fellow so called "social beings" that become offensive about small details nobody cares about, or crazy Americans that destroy their own city because they want to feel offended as a third party about literally everything ever, or call you "nintendrone" or whatever just because you don't agree with them... Like, when I explained, peacefully, why I moved from PlayStation to Switch people called me "freak", "anti PS5 zealot", "has no life" and other things, just because I'm interested in different things than them. ...People are always so nice, social, caring, tolerant, and empathetic. wow...

However... The E3 is overhyped anyway if you think about it. There isn't anything worth being leaked in the first place. Never was, never will. Most games shown there are games everyone knows would come anyway. Like, a new CoD, a new AC, a new NFS, a new FIFA (or some random EA Sports game nobody outside the US cares about.), any other boring western TripleMeh-bLockBusToR that floods you with microtransaction when you open the menu, has no soul and has a seasonpass announced before the game even got released (Look at that Assassins Creed with the Zelda-skin. Something something Fenyx Rising. Game wasn't even available and they happily talked about having a seasonpass. Western Gaming Culture at its best...)... Would rather watch the TGS instead. ...If at all.

I don't know why I'm watching Nintendo Directs, but they're at least interesting and kinda "magical". Well and sometimes they surprise me. Like. From all studios that ever worked on Pokemon games (you would be surprised about how many companies work(ed) on Pokemon...) how is GameFreak the one working on something like Legends Arceus? WHAT HAPPENED?! Haha
...Have seen all of the Directs for some years now, even though I just joined the red team around two weeks ago. But I can tell that Sakurai is breaking the internet on a yearly base or something. And that Aonuma has the power to make everyone cry.

Nintendo just got “Woke”, Mario is an “Ethnic Stereotype”.

@FroZtedFlakerZz Yes they are talking about the Wii U Mario Maker losing it's online service.

It's not That big of deal. I just have chosen not to really play any super mario 35 BECAUSE I know it's gonna be taken away. I didn't want to get into a game and then not be able to play it.

The games will be sold separately sooooo the whole drama people are making is pretty much wasted. Just moaning for the sake of moaning.

Its just, kind of a weird decision. Like, they got all the fan sales by xmas, but what about people who get a new Switch after 31st March 21? Thats more sales they will miss (but they actually prob dont need these sales, but as a buisness, thats crazy).

IDK

Chances are Mario 64, Sunshine and Galaxy will get re-released again. Whether as standalone titles or part of a service related to their consoles whenever those roll out. Sunshine and Galaxy will more than likely come out on their own again at 19.99 each.

Mario 35... I wonder if that's going to be some kind of game they'll be unveiling in the future. NES Remix for Switch?

@readyletsgo I missed the boat on Zelda Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask for the Gamecube. Those weren't permanent releases for that system.

@JimmySpades Best part is when consumers being critical of a big company and it gets under the skin of fanboys like you.

@RevDrJBDTDDPhD I'm more concerned about Mario being 38 and Peach being 16.

So the digital download can still be re downloaded if you lose it, this was one minor niggle I had with all this, and they have addressed that issue.

My guess is for individual releases on the e-Shop, as I feel the 35th celebration was giving all three games in one package.

@Arena1999,

No proof whatsoever of a lots of fans being alienated by any of this, I have no problem with people voicing their concerns though, but as to what extent either side is upset or not is pure conjecture at this point.

i still don't get this at all. I bought the game so i don't really care that much, but what is the point of taking the content away? disney vaulting is ridiculous

Loving the Anti-consumer comments. I assume Mcdonalds killing the McRib was anti-consumer as was McVities killing off the Marmelade on Toast chocolate digestives?

Scarcity creates demand. Its not been much of a birthday: Nintendo released an ok-ish online game, a terrible ROM dump and an overpriced handheld. Had they been around forever they wouldn't have likely sold half as many but scarcity turns them into collectors items.

If you want to talk anti-consumer, howabout selling controllers with an inherent design flaw for 4 years without updating them or making about 5 units of each Amiibo?

Nintendo used to be all about fixing issues: The GBA, DS and 3DS all got superior replacement models within a year of release designed to offset problems with the originals. Where are the new Joycons?!

Thank you Nintendo those sealed boxes just went up in value.

I can understand Super Mario 3D All-Stars being discontinued (sort of), but not keeping Super Mario Bros 35 on a service that desperately needs things to justify it's existance doesn't make any sense. It is a selling point for the service that only has NES/SNES games and Tetris 99 on it.

Good riddance to 3D All Stars as far as I’m concerned. There’s a reason they’re putting an expiry date on it: it’s an inferior product that’s essentially just a low quality ROM dump. They know this, so they want to appeal to people’s FOMO so they’ll buy it anyway.

The fact that a single developer sitting in their basement can do a 10x better job remastering Mario 64 than Nintendo itself says everything you need to know. The money grab here is absolutely shameless.

@Kiyata That's what I been trying to say to all my friends and to other people. But they don't understand what they're falling for.

because keeping their game on their own store spends their money.....lol

@Anti-Matter why update the game before March 31st?

@Olmectron
I was assuming if i bought 3D All Stars late, i will unable to update the game.
That's why i have ordered the game immediately before 31 March 2021 just to keep the games as my mood right now on other games.

@Beatrice as if nobody realizes that all 3 mario 3d all stars games will be available to buy on the eshop after the 31st March.

The amount of anti-consumer boot lickers in this thread is just sad.

@FroZtedFlakerZz @Krinkle_Kaptain @Sculptor

Also, just for the sake of clarification: Being able to play other people's existing levels in SMM1 will not be ending - only the ability to upload new levels. The original article linked within this one included this: "Nintendo says that 'it will still be possible to play courses uploaded before the service discontinuation.'" Just FWIW.

@SleeplessKnight ok boomer

I don't understand why they need to kill of Super Mario Bros. 35 like that... it's so illogical and just doesn't seem right at all...

This is such a shortened Richard move.

Why remove Mario 35.

Let’s take away a game that people enjoy and would continue to enjoy.

Na nintendo. You are awful

Mario’s time has come

They will end up selling each game from 3D all stars separately with a dl and maybe a physical. Mario 35 will continue but they will drop the 35 as it’s not Mario’s 35th anymore and change it to something else, idk Mario 36 or maybe Mario 99 or just something like Mario outlast or Mario Battle Royale

@Beatrice

You don't seem to know the meaning of anti-consumer.

Should they still make and distribute Wii U if there is someone willing to buy it?

Should they keep Mario 35 running for eternity?

I never touched Super Mario Bros. 35, in large part because I have no desire to invest time and effort on anything that A) I don't own and B) which has a predefined, finite lifespan before becoming permanently inaccessible. This is also why I could never get into the limited-time Spirit events in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. I have other obligations and frankly a backlog of other games to play anyway, and being able to get into and enjoy a game or feature is something I need to be able to do on my terms when it's convenient for me.

I'm not losing any sleep over this, but I felt it's worth mentioning. The business models and general practices of online videogames are, across the board, not based on the needs or desires of consumers, but rather gating and controlling everything even after the original point of sale. Switch Online frankly is in dire need of features that justify even its $19.99 annual price; tossing something like Super Mario Bros. 35 into the waste bin instead of, for example, making it a free and permanent feature of the service, is a needlessly missed opportunity for Nintendo.

@Kiyata Remakes??? There are none, if they released good remakes I wouldn't complain. They used to do remasters, Twilight Princess was the last by Straight Right and it was flawlessly done.

What we get now aren't even remasters, we get games that they downloaded from rom sites running on slightly tweaked open source emulators and fan made control mods and Nintendo are praised.

People were willing to pay £60 for a cash grab. My Wii U runs an injected fan made widescreen mod of Super Mario 64 at 60fps... Nintendo couldn't even be arsed to do that.

@AtlanteanMan can't throw all companies in the same pot. Look at Microsoft Game Pass Ultimate, the most consumer friendly subscription service available and Microsoft keep all their classics permanently on it. Also I will add all those back compatible games, free if you already own with resolution/framerate upgrades and lots of other bells and whistles sneaked in. You'll never see Nintendo do that.

@Timppis People keep making this argument, but Nintendo supported the Wii U for 4-5 years. Mario 3D All Stars got 6 months. That's a pretty big difference in time and it's a difference that people seem to want to ignore in order to support their argument.

Also, there's no digital version of the Wii U. Even if Nintendo wanted to stop physical production, that's fair enough. But removing the digital version is what really shows the motives behind this.

Also also, Luigi's celebration was for a whole year (and actually lasted over 13 months). And his digital games didn't get taken down after the end date. Nintendo still directly sell the damn games and ironically, you can still buy his games on the freaking Wii U eshop.

https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/new-super-luigi-u-wii-u/

https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Wii-U/New-Super-Mario-Bros-U-New-Super-Luigi-U-593118.html

If people want to support this, then fine, but don't try to rationalise it with weak false equivalents.

@Richnj

It's still not anti-consumerism. They don't remove any paid services or give up on any made arrangements.

It's a limited sale. It was announced as such. It is being kept as such.

@Timppis one definition of anti-consumer is the manufactured demand and scarcity of an item. Rather then the natural supply and demand of general trade.

Limiting an item's sale based on low or unique circumstances is one thing, but Nintendo themselves have a very long and full history of limiting their games beyond what they deem profitable for them. A 6 month release window is just another bulletpoint in their long anti-consumer history.

Again, if you're OK with it, then fine, just recognise it for what it is.

Like, I'm OK buying beef, chicken and other meat products, but I know the darkside of that business. I'm not out there trying to justify it.

everyone what is your deal?..just chill

Removing the games from the eShop is dumb and anti-consumer. That is all.

@Richnj

Limited release and artificial scarcity are in absolutely no way comparable.

You try to make this about being me in defense of something that isn't real. Positioning yourself into the side of the small people is a bad argument.

@Timppis Hold up. You try to start off the argument by comparing two incomparable things, and now you are going to draw a line between two different things, and you are going to claim I'm the one that's conflating things, in response to a post where I say this

"Limiting an item's sale based on low or unique circumstances is one thing"

I'm acknowledging that limited releases are an entirely separate thing. So if you're wanting to flip the argument, you're going to have to do so in ways I've not already admitted, and in ways you've not already argued in a contradictory manner.

My point wasn't that these are the same, but that when placed within the context of Nintendo's very real, and very long track record of manufactured scarcity, and limited release is no longer a simple limited release.

In most limited releases, there's usually a limit of resources that allows for this, or demand is not expected to be high enough to continue the product on for a long period of time. Neither of these apply here, especially for the digital format.

There's nothing about this product that warrants such a hard and short end date beyond taking advantage of people's FOMO.

Why in the heck are people pissed about this? It was announced up front that these would be limited items. You still have time. Get them if you want them.

I've not really played Mario 35 that much after the initial few days and have a physical copy of Mario 3D All Stars so this news doesn't bother me too much.

@Timppis You are correct, limited release and artificial scarcity aren't comparable. They are actually the same thing.

@GreatCrippler Because offering them for a limited time was stupid to begin with. Just because I tell you I'm going to do something stupid doesn't mean what I do is smart.

Limited digital releases will never make sense, no matter how hard they try to justify it.

That said, I'm happy scalpers are struggling to make profit out of their physical copies so far.

@rushiosan yeah its the limited digital release which i find to be the problem. limited physical releases are understandable since it is a physical item with a finite amount.

while you see a lot of comments talking about how those criticizing the limited release are wrong i haven't really seen anyone make a case for why delisting the game is an overall positive.

the assumption seems to be that everyone who dislikes the idea is furious at nintendo and while like with any situation you get those who take things too far (such as verbal abuse towards pr and social media teams) ive seen a large amount of people who just dont find it a good practice and dont know what makes it so the game needs to be delisted, since with many other cases of games being delisted theres usually some kind of legal issue involved and the publishers have no choice but to remove it but unless there's something going on behind the scenes we aren't aware of the game being an "anniversery release" doesn't really fall under that.

This article should be called bitch about Nintendo being anti consumer while not being entirely sure of the true meaning of anti consumer. If Nintendo took your 60 bucks for all stars then never gave you all stars that’s anti consumer. Saying you have a limited time to buy a game because we’re celebrating is not anti consumer.

@GreatCrippler omg! That is such anti consumer thinking. I know they told us it’s limited time but a lot of our parents have never told us no so if I don’t get my way o try to boycott and cancel and label anti consumer.

There has GOT to be some April Fools joke planned after this.

@themightyant SNES didn’t have an online store and you could still buy the original games (NES )on the wii shop

@Luigisghost669 The "anti-customer" term is far from that exaggeration. It's basically making things uneven in a deal between a company and the end customer - applying needless restrictions for purchase/usage, selling things at inflated, unreasonable prices or even manipulating supplies to generate scarcity.

No Galaxy 2 either it seems.

I got the games I wanted from this limited thing; 3D all stars. I got it for about 35usd at retail on launch day. If. The only option was 60usd I wouldn't have bothered. I don't need a 2nd copy so I'm fine with it being a limited sale. In my opinion, it will only really slightly impact people who get a switch next year or beyond, which would be not far off the final few years of the switchs lifecycle. I suppose, if they really, really want it, there will be copies in stores for a while. I also strongly believe that Mario 64 will be "free" with online service and the other games will appear in some form again in the future.

@Luigisghost669 I suppose by having a limited release, it means that there will be fewer copies on shelves, which artificially enforces a uniquely high 60usd price tag. This is somewhat anti-consumer, but the consumer has the option to buy other products from other companies. I have been on steam recently and, in comparison, Mario 3D all stars does not look as appealing as what I can get for 60usd over there. Ultimately 'anti-consumer' becomes another word for overpriced.

@johnvboy What is there to be "prove"? You don't have to look hard enough to realize that there's a vocal group of people annoyed by these decisions. It's more of an observation than pure conjecture on my part.

@Arena1999,

Some people keep stating it's lots of people annoyed by all this, to which I say show me the evidence, if you are stating it's a very vocal minority on the internet, then I agree with you.

@johnvboy "Lots" is a vague term. It doesn't have to explicitly mean the majority or the minority.

@Arena1999,

It does matter when some are always suggesting it's the majority which are up in arms about all this.

@johnvboy I can't speak for those who make that proclamation, because I don't care what the popular reception is. Rather or not it's the majority is irrelevant to me, because there's an obvious backlash towards Nintendo as of late.

@Arena1999,

There always seems to be a backlash of some sort or other on the core sites.

Nintendo is just throwing away money. They spent money resources to celebrate Super Mario 35th Anniversary just drop everything so shortly.

Nintendo will have a warehouse full of unsold merch because they are pulling everything from the Nintendo Store instead of selling everything until supplies last.

Exclusive titles such as Super Mario Bros. 35 for Nintendo Switch Online draws more subscribers, but to drop such such exclusives so shortly will deter new subscribers from renewing after March.

Nintendo is obviously not interested in making money because they already have enough to blow, but if the company was struggling as bad as Wii U sales, Nintendo would have second thoughts.

@Darkyoshi98

Yup. I member. And it was just as baffling then, as it is now.

So tomorrow's Mar10 day will be the last Mar10 day

You can probably play the emulation on some Chinese console in 15-20 years.

I hope this is an April Fools Day joke still.
But I'm still questioning, why is Nintendo going Infinity War on these games?

I can see everything but Mario 35....it’s a great game why get rid of it??? Or at least give us a physical copy and let us continue to play!!!

Two days remain....

Super Mario 3D All-Stars still on sale in my local store, obviously there is no last minute rush to get a copy.

I put ~50 hours in Mario 35, and part of why I played it as long as I did was due to knowing its existence was temporary. It was fun while it lasted, and it was also FREE. So I can't complain...

@Kiyata it seems like this is commonplace for many game companies now. Release an incomplete game, and then occasionally release updates. Or worse force you to pay for those updates under the guise of an expansion pass, season pass or some other form of DLC.

An expansion pack is being developed to add elements from Super Mario 64 DS, as well as Galaxy 2.

The game & watch item is overstocked EVERYWHERE. Amazon even cut it down to €40. Such a grossly overpriced item that can be easily obtained on NSO or through emulation or $5 on the DS / Wii U. It's a cheap, overpriced toy. I really like the Super Mario 3D collection and SM35 was super fun. It's always hit or miss with Nintendo on pricing

Game & Watch were recently at 75% off, and it's still widely available.

I suppose Disney gets just as much flack for opening and closing it's vaults. First world corporation issues, I'd wager.