New 4K Switch Model Could Launch For $399, Analysts Suggest

Did they fix joy con drift?

Wouldn't be surprised about the price, but at the same time, there's bound to be complaints that people are paying the same price for this to get better hardware.

impossible Nintendo never release consoles that too expensive.

@My_ultimate_is_ready
Joy Cons are their own thing lol. That's not a console issue.

this is getting ridiculous and anoying, analytis/Journalists and YouTuber will keep guessing Nintendo is gonna release this hipotetic Switch Pro until the end of Switch lifecycle.

Rumour: Metroid Prime Trilogy For Nintendo Switch Is Ready To Be Released
No, it’s not some horrible nightmare, Nintendo has in fact announced the development of Metroid Prime 4 will be restarted, with the original developer Retro Studios now collaborating with producer Kensuke Tanabe.
Prior to this shock announcement from Nintendo, there were rumours circulating late last year about the re-release of the Metroid Prime Trilogy for the Nintendo Switch as an appetiser. So, what’s the current status of this rumoured project? According to a series of tweets by Game Informer’s Senior Editor Imran Khan, “it's been long done” and the initial announcement for the trilogy collection on Switch was supposed to happen last month, but not necessarily at The Game Awards. Why exactly this game wasn’t revealed by Nintendo around this time is unknown.

Don't care about the price! Give me a Nintendo 4K console, or at least one that DLSS upscales to it. Get with the times Nintendo!

I don’t have a PlayStation or XBox or any kind. I am strictly PC gaming and whatever is the most current Nintendo console.

Yeah, I’ll upgrade.

If the memory bandwidth of the Switch revision gets close to a base PS4 in performance, I'd pay $400 for that. But if the revision is just a display upgrade with no gameplay performance improvement, I wouldn't buy it at any price. Hard pass.

It will definitely be $349 and 6.8 inch 1080p OLED with 4k 100fps docked!

I guess these articles get a lot of comments... But it's kind of frustrating seeing what analysts say about the switch pro every other day. Especially when it's mostly just the same thing. We had months of articles about 4k graphics, then maybe a month or two of OLED... I guess now it's going to be a month of people with no clue guessing what price point the system will be. Probably next article will be about the estimated price in £ then €.

This is getting into borderline new console territory with the rumored specs and pricing. But either way, I’ll buy it.

Get ready for every trash tier nintendo youtuber to make a video about this and you'll spend 10 minutes watching him studder and regurgitate information he read on this article.

At this point I am going to ignore further articles speculating about this and and just wait for the official announcement (which I think is coming in the next 6-9 months).

@Medic_Alert if it's an entirely new system they might run into the whole Wii U issue. It's called the same thing so people assume it's a minor upgrade and see no point in spending more money to play the same games. Hopefully they continue with there monstrous ad campaign to help people realize it's something different than the Switch vanilla.

So about £350 here in blighty. Ouch. It will not sell at that price unless it is actually a brand new console.

No way I'd be spending £100 more than I spent on the Switch without 4k60 and exclusive games and as I don't see that happening, I don't believe this rumour at all.

As long as it enhances performance, and they address joy-con drift, I'm definitely in.

Well, it is time to save money for Christmas and hope this thing arrives in Brazil at launch.

100 Will not be buying at that price unless it is a MASSIVE upgrade.

@Kiz3000 My thoughts as well. I managed to get a Series S for 200 quid. No way am i paying 350 for an upgraded Switch

@SalvorHardin I suspect they want to hold on to it for post year end release and to fill the void in Q3 / Q4, depending on how development comes along for other products. Covid has a lot to answer for, so they'll want to stagger releases.

If it's PS4 Pro or X1X level power, that's a fair price. I doubt the latter is the case, but the former is possible. Both are unlikely, but I just want Nintendo to finally announce this so we can stop reading speculative articles on it.

Would probably pay $399 for it but I have no interest in docked 4k, for me the Switch is portable only so I would not complain if they excluded the dock altogether. 1080p@60 fps with a bigger and better screen would be nice but I would like there to be more. A new console would be more interesting.

Better resolution does not make a better system.

Give us blutooth, better joycons, a proprietary stylus that works with the system (some of us aren't neanderthals and like to touch our screens with our fingers) and at least 100gbs of solid state internal storage. Oh and a little more ram would be nice.

Oh and pro controllers with headphone jacks would be nice.

Gimme White Nintendo Switch.

Not a chance I would be paying close to new Gen hardware to still be locked in last gen on a switch Pro that could manage ps4 ports.
As long as Nintendo doesn't lock BotW 2 and MP4 behind the new console I'm happy with my Lite.

The Xbox Series S is already cheaper than a base Switch, with Gamepass and Xcloud it offers all the benefits of the Nintendo console with non of the limitations.

Just hurry up and release it Nintendo, my Switch is falling apart (the grille over the fan exhaust fell out last night). I don't want to buy a replacement regular console with a new model just around the corner.

If it's not a significant upgrade over the previous model in terms of power, as in it gets no exclusive games and it's still the same generation of hardware, no way I'm forking out that much money for one and it should be crazy to expect anyone to do so.

The current model was underpowered right out of the gate, as it relied on tech that was already outdated at the time. Another incremental upgrade is not enough to make me want one, especially since all games will have to still run on the old model.

YOLO, take my money.

Yes Nintendo take my money

I believe it when I see it.

I’ve had my switch since launch day so I’m open to buying a new/revised model but I don’t see Nintendo charging that much it’s annoying cos all the way through the switch lifetime it’s been a constant story these analysts just don’t understand Nintendo

Nintendo is able to sell a togepi tamagotchi with the Nintendo logo on it for that price currently.

‘Limited edition’

the weekly switch pro article now in its 3rd year slooooooooooooooooow clap. give us a monster hunter review thats actually going to exist

I think that I heard this somewhere before...

Apparently there's also a new Joy-Con patent floating around: https://uspto.report/patent/grant/D912,153
Patent date is March 2, 2021.

Switch Pro rumours and March 31st delistings are pretty much the only Nintendo news nowadays. There isn't even the annual March Indie World.

Ok this is not NEWS,
The console hasn't even been announced, it should be under Rumour

Analysts predict my ass will itch in the next 5 seconds! Hmm well I'll be damned they were right!

LOL i love how these gaming sites are always frothing at the mouth every time some stupid internet rumor gets started. Most likely by some overweight man child living in mommys basement. You can't spell analyst without anal!

If an upgrade ever does happen i promise it won't be called switch pro. That's too boring a name for Nintendo.

@electrolite77 I've hardly played on my switch since picking up the Series S.
I used to take it to work but with Xcloud I just take my Razor controller and play on my phone instead. It nice being able to play games like Witcher and Doom portable at a decent resolution rather than be stuck at 720 and 30fps.

Will take the switch out the cupboard later in the week for MHR though.

@RudyC3 It was using tech that was only two years old.

That's also what the PS4 and Xbox One did. Used tech that was already a known thing. PS5 and Series systems have avoided this by using stuff that is brand new (Within a year) but within two to three years THAT will be outdated. But the cost of using brand new is...well its new. It costs a hell of a lot more to make. It depends on the business priorities at hand.

If this is real, then being the first console to have any AI upscaling tech built into the silicon is a huge thing, given DLSS 2.0 isnt even massively adopted into PC games yet.

They will keep guessing til one day right or we all forget about it.
Think 4 years on I'm personally happy enough to upgrade a console.

Day one. DLSS is amazing technology and the fact that the console also has a new chip and increased RAM should end up equalling to a nice improvement. If it can hit 1080p internal resolution when docked the DLSS with turn in a very competent 4K upscale. Fingers crossed it means we get native 720p games in handheld, with some targeting 60fps too in bother docked and handheld. I think this could be a very exciting piece of hardware! It might even be able to output in HDR in handheld mode which would be pretty cool

The upgrade is a bit premature for me, as I'm perfectly fine with the current model. But for $400, which will be EUR 400 probably, you can sign me up for one.

@Giancarlothomaz They do. Switch is their most expensive console ever.

@Mr-Fuggles777 series S has a screen and is a portable?

I'll buy it. No questions asked. I love my current switch. I buy a new phone every year and they're like $1200, so having a more powerful switch at $400 is still a win.

More Bloomberg about the new upgrade that's thought to be due... EVERY year, let's not lie to ourselves here. And as usual, all the niceties for just "$100 more than the base model"? The price even PS5,a home console allegedly sold at a loss, only hits by virtue of ditching the disk drive? A borderline decade of GPD Win has really taught people nothing.

Goes to remind how Switch Pro club themselves can't make up their minds between the perennial consumerist "wanna have more power" and "wanna pay less money". But among saner people (or, in my case, situationally saner people, but nonetheless), even a $400 4K DLSS OLED machine in a tablet shape belongs firmly in the "seeing is believing" category.

@Magician problem is, as one developer has already mused in public, there seems to be a limited point in bumping the memory bandwidth for a "Pro" if games still have to be designed with the original 4 Gb in mind. But that's where the rumour mill rolls out another grand expectation - for Switch Pro to be the new New 3DS yet with fifty times the exclusive software. The publishers would only lock out, what, ~85 million flagship/Lite owners by now? Or 90-95 by the time Switch Pro is currently prophecied to come out? Pffffff.

If it’s PS4 Pro level power/performance in Switch form, then I’d be totally fine paying $399. That is considerable gaming power on the go. If it’s a 3DS to New 3DS level bump, then $349 would be the absolute most I’d pay, even considering an boost to an OLED, 7 inch screen.

@Automated_Unit_4937 Gamepass ultimate has remote play, its not quite as quick swapping between portable and TV as the switch but it also doesn't have the limitations and reduced resolutions.
It also has cloud gaming via android when I'm in work for the same price and PC gaming if I wanted to take the laptop up to bed as a second screen when the Mrs is watching TV.

If it cost this much and has joycon drift well F**K me.

I can't play my Switch at the moment as the fan is grinding away and big bits of plastic keep snapping off the backplate. As soon as we're out of lockdown I'm getting a replacement so I can play the rest of Bravely Default 2. From what I read the new Switch only is a screen improvement, so I can't be bothered waiting for that.

If current evidence is correct, they can sell anything as long as it can play ports of Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival or Skyward Sword or Superman 64. Expect broken control sticks, a cheap breakable housing, and no new games for your 400$ investment, if it is even a thing.

Things that would convince me to spend $399 on a new switch in order of importance to me:
1. Bigger/Brighter/Better screen
2. Better joycons
3. Better battery life
4. Faster/more efficient processor
5. Higher resolution graphics

$349 for Super Switch and a decrease to $249 for original would be the consumer-friendly thing to do, so they’ll probably do $399 and $299... At the same time, the original is still selling like crazy so I can’t say I wouldn’t do the same thing.

@electrolite77 I think the N64 was even more expensive. If I remember correctly it was about £250 at launch. That's £480 in today's money. Or $660 in your money. Although having said that, consoles were (and are) cheaper to buy in the US than the UK.

People don't want a switch pro, when you really boil it down people are either fine with the current sku for a bit longer, or want a switch 2 with backwards compatibility. I love nintendo 1st party output but it's unlikely botw 2 or something that big locks out the og switch install base. No upgrade for me. Tbh, since I've got my series x and ps5, the amount of playtime on my switch has dropped dramatically. What happened to consolidation of handheld and home gaming increasing software output?! Where is bayonetta 3 or metroid? Never mind hardware, get on the case with software!

@Beatrice

How is it irresponsible exactly? It is a rumour article identified as a rumour article.

I'd buy it. Fine with me

If there's $100 more power, yeah. Otherwise I'll get a Playstation or Xbox. I need analog triggers and Forza Horizon or Gran Turismo.

We need more frames, not more pixels.

I solely game in handheld, so unless there are vast improvements in that area, I may stay away. Also, I hope this doesn't divide switch users and games.
Optimized for Switch Pro is fine, but For Switch Pro only is not

Bogus until Nintendo confirms it. Too expensive for the userbase and families and too unrealistic for Nintendo's preferences.

@My_ultimate_is_ready
Nintendo can't fix joy-con drift. It's not their issue. Every (mainstream) controller has drift.

I still hope we aren't getting a Switch Pro. It'll just end with the new 3ds fiesta we had and that was annoying. Besides, I'd be pretty sad if my animal crossing edition stopped seeing use haha.

No joy con fix = no purchase for me

Even the new consoles don't do 4k 60fps yet and in backwards compatibility reach the 1080p 60fps that people wanted the whole of last gen. The new consoles also suck a whole lot of power( in comparison to Switch). At Nintendo's power consumption threshold they will only be able to buff Switch to a certain degree. It's possible it might just reach X1 levels docked, no where near 4k and requiring optimisations for 1080p at smooth framerates. Handheld it should just be able to do the same at 720p. Main benefits will be steadying resolutions and framerate. It will essentially be the console everyone wanted/imagined at launch 4 years ago.

Honestly, I am so addicted to Switch that I will gladly buy it.

Fix the joycons first

Brilliant console but that is a bit too expensive for me.

If it's just an output upgrade then no, doesn't seem worth it this far into the switch's life cycle. If it's actual performance upgrades and new games have more fidelity with new one then maybe... Depends on the games. But for graphical third party titles I'll go with PC anyways.

But will probably hold on until "switch 2" will be out unless the old one breaks before that. And hopefully Nintendo will have backwards compatibility for switch games. MS really raised the bar on this one in the console world.

The spec has to come before the price.
Nintendo shouldn't cut spec to save a few £$¥€. It's a pro model not a premium one

I am not going to track one down if they are hard to find. Not sure if I am willing to pay for an upgrade either. It might be an impulse buy if I do...who am I kidding, I will probably get it as soon as I can find one at retail,

and $299 for the digital edition

@PoundShopOrwell @LEGEND_MARIOID You kept saying them to fix the joycons. Fix what joycons? Why fix things that are not even out yet. It's like if someone is planning to build a statue and you tell them to fix it, like fix what man it's not even build yet.

Analyst predicts something - news at 11.

At $400 and 4k it isn't a New Switch, it's a Switch 2, full stop.

Nintendo can try and tell us it's a New Switch but when BOTH MS and Sony had "Pro" consoles w/ ZERO exclusives, the first exclusive game New Switch has it's by default a Switch 2. Heck Xbox Series X and S don't even have any exclusives yet and MS considers them to be next gen. If a New Switch gets exclusives games how is it NOT a next gen console?

And for reasons why Nintendo might lie like that - sales stats? New Switch + Switch + Switch Lite = 200 million sales and the greatest selling console - home or handheld - or all time. Otherwise Switch + Switch Lite top off around 120 mil and Switch 2 sells whatever it sells. 🤷‍♂️

I hope the new Switch isn't 4k. If it is it'll just be marketing speak and no games will realistically run at 4k, but instead it'll be an excuse to hike the price.

Yes...it will be more than the current model. Obviously.

What do you mean 4k? Do i also get a 4k tv? I just care what the resolution will be in handheld, as i play my games only on switch handheld. If it’s max 720, then i will expect a lower price.

@My_ultimate_is_ready

Yeah I'm not upgrading to a pro, until they improve the joycon.

Price is not the factor in making the jump to a pro as much as the following list of things : Backwards compatibility with current Switch games and accessories, Joy-Con drifting fixed, a slightly heftier body, an update to the over all design of the Joy-Con so that when used for games like Mario Galaxy it doesn't feel like your holding a pez candy dispenser.

Worth noting that nintendo hardly ever sells a console on graphics. They are really unpredictable sometimes, so idk, but releasing a revised console to have big impressive graphics just doesn't seem very nintendo at all. I think the new 3ds had an udgraded cpu, but their revisions are usually bigger screens, cosmetic remodels, or cameras etc. If the switch gets a bigger screen, wouldn't that effect the size of the joycons? would the old ones just not be compatible anymore? would you have to buy a bunch of new ones just to play your multiplayer games? those things are flimsy as hell and probably really cheap to make, I can't see them abandoning that

At this point if this thing is true then they better announce it pretty soon. My Switch is on its last legs with a broken fan and I'd be pretty pissed if I bought a new one just for an improved model to release shortly after.

I think it would be awesome if Nintendo absolutely floored us by announcing this on March 31st when they are supposedly pulling the limited Mario games. The timing would make sense. Plus a new Mario Kart game, the new Zelda, plus. Pikmin 4. Ok ok, I'm dreaming a bit but something even close to that sort of announcement would floor the Nintendo community. I wouldn't mind paying $399 if I'm getting the bang for buck.

sounding a lot like we got Wii U 2.0 on our hands if true

@TheFullAndy,

Totally agree, at this point it's just throwing any old piece of information out there, we do not anything at all in all honesty.

Wait, wait, wait so last month they were saying that a bigger screen was going to happen no matter what, but this month it’s a maybe? God even they are losing track of all these supposed leaks. I don’t believe any of them, we have had these supposed “leaks” every year since the switch came out, and were any of those real? Just take a wild guess, shoot in the dark.
@Digitaldigdug why would they make both a new mariokart and Zelda exclusives? Do you know how many people who bought mariokart were family’s wanting a family game, so obviously they ain’t gonna pay 460$ just for a new mariokart, when they are having fun with the one they have right now.

Dont care about 4k. Give me constant 60fps!

Whatever happened to nintendo releasing 64gb game cartridges by 2019?

@Crockin

Always been my trepidation with all these Switch pro rumors, Nintendo have not been in the power race since the Gamecube.

If anything I think people expecting Nintendo to have three Switch models is just pure lunacy, this will be a revision of the current docked model with slightly better features, selling at a similar price, it will replace the current model, not sell alongside it.

Shut up and take my money, Nintendo.

Well yeah, cause 4K will make the 4 times better. And if the gams start running 60fps then it will be 60 times faster playing the game!

wahahaha

No I might get one... unless a Switch successor is almost around the corner.

399 is a steal. Thats the price of the current model.

Sadly I already have a "don't need to but it is better upgrade" purchase, the Switch pro would have to wait.

Look, just as long as it can run Loop Hero...

EDIT: Also, I'm already not a fan of how they splintered their Switches with the Lite and Regular models. I definitely think they need to sell it as a replacement for the original model, not a new third option. The Switch, from what I gathered, is supposed to be their amalgamation of all previous consoles, taking bits and pieces of them all and making one unified console that can go mobile or stay home. So to have one model do things better than the other is tipping toward going back to the days of having, say a mobile console and a home console, which goes against the Switch mentality.

Anyway, yeah, make the new Switch (I refuse to call it a Switch "Pro" — it sounds so bro) as a replacement for the old one. I don't know what they should do with the Lite... Maybe keep the Lite as a true "Lite" model and upgrade the main console? Or perhaps give both the Lite and the regular model an upgrade. I don't know. I don't have all the answers.

EDIT 2: @Batty5 oh man.. a "Super Switch" would be the perfect name. Nintendo > Super Nintendo. I like it. It would work so well.

In other news pigs fly! Say something enough, and it’s bound to come true!

The Switch could become an "iPhone like" device for Nintendo, where they keep the basic concept going (hybrid portable console) but update the specs every few years. I'd be all for that, over them doing something "gimmicky" again just for the sake of being different.

@Mr-Fuggles777 Locking any games behind a new model that isn't next gen would be the beginning of the end for the Switch platform. I would just emulate new titles on PC at that point and they would lose a whole lot of money.

Yes I would be willing. Take my money Nintendo.

Honestly would've been surprised if it was any less the 399.99

@Rika_Yoshitake I'm glad I'm not that the only one that can't stand these YouTube ebegging fan boys who make up rumors and just read Google news about the Switch or other video game things. RGT 85, Dreamcastguy, AngryJoe, ReviewtechUSA, Beatemups, YoungYea, ProJared, etc. all awful. Scott the Woz, Jim Sterling and Switch Up are about the only three I can tolerate.

@TheFullAndy actually this article is tagged by NL as News. Which is odd as the last Bloomberg story (the OLED 720p one) was tagged as Rumour.
My guess is the journo's do know what's coming out, but are just yanking our chains

@TSR3

Hmmm, fair enough. I just saw the Rumours tag at the top of the article.

Suppose it is news that Bloomberg reported this so that is technically correct as well.

Still not understanding what would be irresponsible about it though, what can people do with this information that negatively affects them in any way?

But can it run crysis?

If the Bloomberg story is accurate, it's time to set your expectations ...
Anyone who's hoping for PS4 performance is going to be disappointed. Ignoring DLSS, a Nvidia Xavier NX SOC is going to be little more than half as powerful as original XboxOne.
Anyone who's hoping for non-exclusive games are also going to be disappointed. The Bloomberg article states there'll be increased memory (Xavier NX comes with 8GB). Which means any developers using more than 4GB will break compatibility with the original Switches.

@slinkoy01 I think the new Switch with improved graphics and frame rate would help it sell alone. As I mentioned those new titles would be a bonus. They would also make a sensible pairing. The Mario Kart series isn't limited to just people looking for a family game. The Mario Kart series as a whole is testament to having a large broad appeal while still having enough spice and personality to keep it ahead. MK8 deluxe nos nice enough but don't forget it's still a Wii U port. Plenty will keep playing it, just an upgraded console would be an opportune time for the next iteration

@SalvorHardin Unknown? The journalist's rumor states at the end of it "the reason it wasn't revealed is unknown"? Obviously this journalist (not you but the person who wrote the rumor to begin with) didn't do their homework. If we go by everything Imran said on Twitter at the time of The 2018 Game Awards over the subject his information actually says a lot.

See, just before The 2018 Game Awards Bandai Namco and Nintendo had a huge meeting where Bandai Namco would show Nintendo how their Metroid Prime 4 build was coming along. If the meeting went well and the game would be able to have been released in 2019 then Nintendo was going to announce Metroid Prime Trilogy HD at the 2018 Game Awards and then reveal Metroid Prime 4 in 2019 releasing both games in 2019.

But alas, history instead gave us a cruel fate. Bandai Namco's Metroid Prime 4 build was very subpar so Nintendo scrapped Bandai Namco's build and gave the project to Retro Studios who restarted development in January 2019. This also caused Nintendo to hold off on Prime Trilogy's release as well.

To finish, I think Nintendo's plan then was to always release Metroid Prime Trilogy and Metroid Prime 4 in the same calendar year. I think that still is their plan. But of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong! Out!

@NielsNL very interesting, d-pad plus analogue that's quite flat like 3DS

@Ghost_of_Hasashi Did Nintendo pay you to make that comment?

@Ghost_of_Hasashi My point obviously is that I don't think Nintendo WILL fix the joycon drift problem on a Switch pro model. Or at least it won't be a priority. I hope I am wrong though. I don't know about "keep" saying but many have mentioned joycon drift on this site.

@andyg1412 @NielsNL could a New Switch Lite go clamshell? Now that I’d be interested in getting!

Maybe it will sell well to those that don't own a Nintendo Switch already but for me, the choice is between upgrading or buying a PlayStation 5 Digital.

At the same price, the switch pro would have to be pretty amazing to make want to spend my money on an upgrade rather than a much more powerful console.

This is like the Wii era, where there was speculation for 3-4 years that Nintendo would release a Wii HD version.

Yes, I would definitely buy it. But, if Starfield is announced to be released around the same time, I'd be getting an Xbox Series S first. So the Super Switch would have to wait.

This is basically what I thought the Switch Pro would be once people started saying it was 4K capable when docked. Using DLSS (plus a better CPU and more memory) was the only way that a device with such a small form factor was ever going to be able to pull off 4K graphics beyond a simple 1080p => 4K upscale.

Switch Lite: $199
Switch: $299
Switch Pro: $399

The 3-tier pricing makes sense.

@TSR3
A Xavier NX SoC doesn't support DLSS as it is using an older GPU architecture that doesn't have Tensor cores in the GPU, so that won't be the Switch Pro chip if what Bloomberg is reporting is correct.

While I wouldn't put money grubbing like that past Nintendo at all, that price point doesn't seem right. That implies they're going to continue selling the current Switch alongside the new one as a "Pro/X/NEW/premium" version. I highly doubt they would do that. That would put 3 SKUs on the shelf, and we've already heard that nVidia is discontinuing the old chip production, so they literally can't sell the old model as-is next to it. All signs point to this new version being a refresh/replacement for the old model. New 3DS/3DSXL had a price bump as well, but they continued selling it along-side the old model for quite some time as an "upgrade." That doesn't sound like it can be the case this time, which would make it, to my knowledge, the first time in history that a console had a price increase during its generation.

Our Day One Switch is starting to get ratty with a noisy fan and those irritating scratches on the glass from the dock. I would certainly pay $400 for a new and improved one ... as long as Nintendo makes transferring games and games' licenses between Switches easy.

They might as well wait just a tad longer and make a Switch 2 that is backwards compatible, because the current Switch is gonna hold back non-exclusive a and the New 3DS didn't sell that many exclusives since it wasn't an entirely new console.

Also, $399 is a dangerous price. Market leader or not, that puts them square at the throat of PS5D, which isn't a desirable place to be. It also means Series S massively undercuts them on pricing. They'd have to be feeling awfully full of themselves to come in as the premium player into the market, unless they're really selling this as a third SKU, which I find difficult to believe.

@TSR3 Additional memory doesn't have to be for game use, A lot of that is probably about improving the UI performance when doing things like downloading, accessing the eShop, which especially with a game running is deplorable currently, etc. The same reasons that the bumps in new 3ds were used. Also for higher quality texture packs, like how MH4 ran on NEW 3DS versus OG. (Edit, reordered paragraphs as the above wasn't addressed to you )

@johnvboy at least this is a topic we can agree on, lol

@NEStalgia With some rumors mentioning exclusives and the "Super Switch" name, we could be seeing a replacement since the Switch will be 5 years old next March.

I'll be interested in getting one when it does arrive. Even at the $399 it's better then PSx being portable and on the go gaming trying doing that with PSx not going to happen. Portability comes with a price and those willing to pay will have it. What one wants is their choice not for others they can choose what they want. More memory helps load time and what I want is internal storage Memory make that bigger for saves and game photos that what eats up my storage.

@NIN10DOXD If it's a true generation change, I could see that price point, definitely. But nothing has suggested that this is a true generation change for them (and the one more credible rumor saying it definitely isn't.) If it is, I doubt they'd release it before Holiday 22 though. Or maybe Spring 22 if they're daring. 5 years would be an early cutoff for a console and 4 would be silly, and Furukawa kept going on about how it could have an extended life. But it wasn't clear if he meant the same way 3DS continued "for kids first consoles' after Switch came out.

Switch by its nature aged faster than a typical console, but a 4-5 year life before replacement would be incredibly short after WiiU's 4 years. Entering a third console generation in the span of what is a single generation for other consoles isn't a great look. Especially when one of those consoles is undercutting them, too. I imagine they'd be wary of repeating Sega's pattern of rapid releases and the consumer and retailer impact of it.

The one credible rumor that did mention exclusives mentioned no Nintendo exclusives, but 3rd parties would do it, and that Nintendo is indeed treating it as an improved model of the same console.

@NEStalgia,

I always agree with you, all of our debates are all from our own personal points of view.

Switch lite clamshell design please xxx

@westman98 I picked up on Xavier as it's the only Tegra SoC available currently that looked like it could be DLSS capable. The Nvidia specs for the NX dev kit give 48 Tensor cores (https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/autonomous-machines/jetson-store/). But I take your point DLSS is a gaming tech, so was never made available for the enterprise focussed Volta GPU.
Nintendo could well have a bespoke SoC, based on Xavier (but using Turing graphics maybe??).

@NEStalgia good point. I never had any of the 3DS's, I didn't realise the New versions had increased memory as well

I play almost exclusively in handheld mode and am unlikely to buy a new model unless I want some games that are exclusive to it. I hope that isn’t the case where there are a bunch of games exclusive to it. I just really don’t care about high resolution graphics much. I still play my 3DS a fair amount with its low resolution.

@NEStalgia

What about PS4pro and XB1X....they were mid generation 'updates' that cost more? I guess your point holds if they discontinue the current model and then only offer the 'upgrade' at a higher price. Still....Remember when the $300 launch price on Switch was going to kill it and be too high and no one would pay that....well what almost 80m units later it looks like all the price whiners were wrong. Most people spend twice that on a new phone every year.....so I don't think in the realm of electronic budgets that $50 or $100 more means crap...it doesn't to me anyways as I already have my launch Switch (hacked), an AC Switch (purchased so the wife would stay off my Switch) and a Pokemon Switch Lite....I am just dying to spend $400 to get a Switch pro that will run my current large library of software better.

@SalvorHardin

Dude I feel your pain on MP Trilogy...I hated it on Wii because I just didn't care for motion controls...I never played 3 for that reason and played 1/2 all the way back in the GC days. I think a lot of stuff was pretty much done and was being held because of COVID screwing up the world for the last year. Most electronics brick and mortar retailing is totally screwed. The departments at the local big boxes look like soviet era grocery stores with lots of empty shelves. So my guess is its done and they are likely holding it and going to release it when they are ready to start pumping the hype on MP4....so hopefully in some soon to be seen direct we get some actual footage on MP4 and then they sneak trilogy in as a dropping soon treat to whet our appetites....lets hope or maybe it goes the way of NGC on WiiU and we never see it from Nintendo (that was so stupid as the WiiU could natively run NGC content). If anything Nintendo is a very Japanese company so their ways will always be a mystery to us in the west..LoL.

@TSR3

My guess is NVidia is going to be more than willing to cater to Nintendo. They wanted badly to get into the gaming console market (expressed when they made the Shield). Nintendo put them in the market with a great collaboration on the Switch that made it (and NVidia) the market leader. So while last time NVidia was able to pull the Tegra X1 from the catalog and offer it to Nintendo (not much risk), this time with their combined success NVid may be more willing to modify or evolve something specifically for Nintendo, or may have even already cooked up something we are just to yet privy to. Any way you slice it we will likely get something new and moderately (not wildly) more powerful. Honestly if you give the Switch just a tad more power (I have modded and overclocked my launch Switch) it runs a lot of games noticeable better (especially games that use dynamic scaling)....so it wouldn't take a lot to produce something that ran current games better and if it has the DLSS then demanding current games could be patched for better resolution and new games could be built for pseudo 4K. Its all speculation but whatever is coming I know I want it!

@TSR3
Hmmm seems like GPU architectures older than Turing do have Tensor cores, though I highly doubt they were designed for DLSS.

Either way, if the Switch Pro has DLSS, it will most likely use a Turing or Ampere GPU.

If I can't play botw 2 at 60fps I will be extremely disappointed

If there is a huge power jump and it really is as powerful as a PS4 then I will definitely get one.

@johnvboy I don't think that it won't happen necessarily, I just have trouble putting the pieces together. They could very well do a pro model and buck their routine

Eh, I care more about having joy cons that don't drift than I do 4k

@QuickSilver88 a lot of people seem to have better fps at the top of their wish list. How far were you able to overclock your modded switch. Were you able to run any benchmarks?

Assuming all these rumors about the tech are true for this new Switch, the Switch -> new Switch jump seems a lot more substantial than the PS4 -> PS4 Pro jump and Sony charged $400 for that without any complaints.

I’d be reluctant to pay over £350 but I guess it depends on what’s included...

@ArcticSin
Has any brand new 3D Zelda game ever attempted 60 FPS before?

A 60 FPS BOTW2 is possible if the CPU upgrade is big enough, but the game won't be running at 4K if that happens.

Another week, another Switch Pro guessing topic. What will they guess next week?

Forget 4K and keep it 1080 HD, use the increased power for a better frame rate and 3D rendering. Try to push it to 4K and we will still be stuck with lower frame rates, etc because going to 4K will use up any additional power the Pro will have

Given Switch sales haven't even peaked yet, this is still way off. Why would Nintendo launch a new console when year on year sales are still rising?

They'd have to unleash major first party games with it. I don't think I'd buy it just for a Zelda release. Free game upgrades like how ps5/xbox are doing it would be pretty cool too. They are just too damn slow dishing out their first party games.

@Twinsen
There is nothing wrong with launching new hardware revisions during the peak of the platform's lifecycle. It happened with the NDSi and PS4 Pro.

If it's 400$ regular price how much is it gonna cost when scalpers buy up all the stock available?

$400, for something that will likely be a marginal improvement at best?

No thanks

I'll wait fr the Switch 2 or whatever it's true successor will be named.

@SwitchplayerJohn

For that price, it better be at least as powerful as a PS4 Pro or XB1X.

@Crockin,

I doubt it will happen, but a Switch revision is well overdue.

If you're a current Switch owner, do yourself a favor and get a PS5 or Xbox Series X for that price if you really want both 4K, reduced load times & cutting edge graphics

I don't see $399 happening. Nintendo's sweet spot has always been under $300. They tried to sell the Wii U at $350 and then lowered it by $50 a year later, when they realised it wasn't selling.

$399 is more for the hardcore gamer market, not the parent demographic that's buying Mario games and Animal Crossing in the 10's of millions for their kids.

@TSR3

The max clocks on the original (pre mariko) models were 1852 CPU and 926 on the GPU. In docked mode this causes about a 5 degree increase in temps...which isn't much given that the thermal thresholds for the X1 are way higher than they run in Switch. The max bus in the Switch (docked) is 1600mhz so I usually one run level below max with CPU at 16xx and GPU at 8xx figuring you won't get much more performance at that top rate because of the bus max being 1600....plus at the 1600/1600/800 level the system only runs about 3 degrees hotter. As for benchmarks, there are some vids out there done by DF that demonstrate some of the improvements. I used it a lot to play Fire Emblem and it helped load times a fair amount cutting about 1/3 off load time (21 sec to boot became 14, ect). The big improvement I noticed was in the monastery portion which it freed up a lot as that can chug pretty bad when running around certain areas. Like I said games that use dynamic scaling like Doom, Wolf, MarioO get helped a lot because that little extra boost often keeps them from down shifting the resolution during heavy activity and its noticeable. In handheld mode the sweet spot is to up the bus to full speed 1600 and then 12xx on the CPU on 460 on the GPU. Again this helps a lot with dynamic res games as well as some of the other dense CPU utilization games. I wish Nintendo would offer a Turbo mode on the newer Switch's with Mariko because that chipset uses less power and generates less heat so it would have nothing but upside docked and decrease battery life a little when handheld. So with games the could use a little extra umph it does help and it is noticeable. That's why I wish we would get a pro because many current games would perform better even without patching just like the boost mode on PS4pro helped. So fingers crossed we get a mid-gen update this year.

No RAM or memory upgrade?
No thanks

It's going to be called the "Super Switch"...duh! Could use a more rock solid wifi/internet connectivity. And please contour those joycons!

@KryptoniteKrunch PS4 Pro was an optional premium version alongside the also upgraded PS4 Slim (at a lower than launch price.) It also didn't sell very well with most customers opting for the base models, so they didn't raise the bar to entry into PS4, they lowered it and also introduced a premium option. With this we'd be talking about Nintendo raising the bar to entry significantly, unless they're also selling the old model with a revision and a Pro. But with nVidia discontinuing that chip, that doesn't seem likely.

I have a feeling these rumors are confusing behind the scenes wheeling and dealing about the "Switch Pro" with internal maneuvering for the eventual Switch 2 as well, so both devices end up sounding like the same device in the rumor mill.

@johnvboy Aww, thanks!

@QuickSilver88 Exactly, X1X/PS4 Pro weren't replacements sold instead of the base models, they were premium versions offered in addition to the base versions (the base versions themselves received a refresh/updates that replaced the original models in the form of PS4 Slim and X1 S, including a price decrease for both, as well, so for those platforms, they both got an enhanced improved base model to replace the old base model at a new lower price, and got a new premium model sold along side those.)

Nintendo doesn't have much precedent for doing something like that. They've done upgraded replacements with price cuts going back to the NES (when the US toaster slot was replaced with the Famicom styled version), and new premium upgrade sold next to the updated base model (DSi, DS Lite; 3DS XL, 3DS; New 3DS XL, 3DS XL (for a time until it replaced it), but only at a slight price increase, not a 30% increase.)

I certainly think Nintendo "could get away with" it, but a 30% price hike for a console mid-generation, not as an optional premium sku, would be truly unprecedented in the industry. That sets a really ugly trend if it works. Imagine a boosted PS5 Pro for $650 in 4 years. Then then next base console can start at $700? And at some point we're up to the $2500 of a new Samsung flex phone and are told it's inflation?. It depends on where Switch's market is right now, what percentage of sales are Lite vs regular, etc. But it's been an easy win because it's also affordable. The moment they start pricing themselves above consoles 5x its power level, the portability factor might become a liability. Switch might become more attractive as just a handheld and the switching concept gets left behind. And for Nintendo, the machine is there to move the software. I don't know they'd want to hamper software sales for hardware premiums.

But. It's new management. These guys don't play the Yokoi/Iwata playbook, they just follow trends.

Classic Nintendo wouldn't do it. It'd either be a premium model sold next to existing ones for more money which I don't necessarily see them doing, but I'd be happy to see it. Or a drop in replacement where I don't see them raising prices so dramatically 4 years into a console. Dollar matching PS5 digital, and exceeding Series S - consoles capable of playing many games Switch can't, might just push more people to Lite and move Nintendo back to "second console" status. I think it's a junk rumor.

@NEStalgia,

I am too nice, I keep trying to firm up, but I can't.

This is win, win every way I look at it. Seriously can't see a downside. The Switch is continuing to sell well, so with the combination of new Switch owners come holiday season and folk upgrading (I'm in lol) it's going to hit the ground running. I'm not surprised there will be some third party exclusives. Ker-ching!

@SalvorHardin mostly likely because metroid prime trilogy might not be even coming.but since once again someone said it was coming on the internet so people believe it lol

@Kilamanjaro I'll agree to disagree.according to the internet some people aren't happy with ps5 and x..maybe some people don't care about all that..I got a ps5 and haven't played it in about a month.been hooked on switch.

Yet Nintendo officially announced their next console will be a traditional non-handheld console. That means no Switch Pro.

@electrolite77 don't bother with a user with that as a user name.

Just wait and see. I’ll believe it if I hear it from Nintendo. Until then its all bench racing. If I see a Monster Hunter edition Switch this Friday, I’m probably buying it. I’ll actually be mad if they release an upgraded version a few months later. All this Switch Pro talk just makes me wanna hold on to my launch console, and I don’t wanna miss out on a cool edition over rumors.

When the Olympic in Tokio starts? Thats when most of the lauches might happen I assume. I recall Mario was a main character for the video teaser when Tokio was chosen to be the one for the Summer Olympic. My 5cents.

@Darkyoshi98 I easily plug in hundreds of hours a year into the Switch. I don't think I would get hundreds more hours of value with a broader selection of games if I got another Switch (I also own a Lite). At this point its diminishing returns with more Switches. Here's my example. Recently Ipicked up a Series X with Game Pass & the value there is ridiculous! I get hundreds of games, from indies to AAA, and can play in bed or on the couch with either cloud or remote play active on my phone (I have a clip to my controller). So I have more games & the ability to play on a 1440p OLED display right now. So if you like Dead Cells, Undertale, Octopath Traveler, DOOM Eternal, Star Wars, Nier Automata, etc etc you can play all of those for a super low cost to access all those games with higher quality graphics / better accessibility than what a 4K Switch can offer. Would it make more sense, if you want 4K and 4K gaming to stick with Switch or get a PS5 or Series X? Well next gen is optimized for 4K with the SSDs and Switch might still stick with microSD cards. In the Fall, both PS5 and Xbox will have stronger libraries when / if a Switch Pro launches, so I think you would really miss out on other excellent games in the broader ecosystem if you just get another Switch. It's not like I can't just pick up my Switch if I own a Series X, it just means I have more choice to pay for games at lower prices & higher fidelity on Xbox sales or Switch sales and can access more libraries and exclusives with more consoles.

I hope it comes with upgraded WiFi card.

Would def buy this using my stimmy.

I won't be buying into an upgrade unless it is more than just simply 4K, OLED, and a slightly better frame rate. I want improved joycons, and a tangible difference in power that is beyond what the New Nintendo 3DS did for the original model, otherwise I am fine with what I have, especially since I play mainly Nintendo games on my console which typically run great as is. If these rumors turn out to be false, then I won't be bothered. Just more money saving for me.

Can't come soon enough. The current switch is bad in many ways hardware wise.

I want the 4K meme to end.

BotW 2 limited edition, thankyouplease.

@asmi8803 I hope it comes with upgraded WiFi card.
No issue with my wifi setup. I think it has more to do with poor wifi hardware and blaming Switch for their issues-unless it was proven/tested otherwise.

@electrolite77 I can't see Nintendo segmenting three similar products like flagship smartphones. I think this new Switch will replace the current one at the same price. I can't see the average buyer shelling out an extra $100 for a slightly better Switch that plays the same games. It will definitely sell worse than the original model. In fact $399 would be the most expensive Nintendo console ever released. I think they want everyone to upgrade to the new Switch. Rather than make a premium model for enthusiasts.

@Ryebread81 this is me as well. Other than a couple of exclusives, I fail to see the point of getting a PlayStation or Xbox when I can enjoy so many games on PC and Switch without wasting money on yet another black or white box.

@Sinton I mean, technically they did with the Wii U. But it didn't turn out well as we all know.

@TheLightSpirit Wifi is only good as your internet - it doesn't go faster. Also bad wifi setup will cause bad connections as well. So without background this is all just hearsay as well. I do think they can respond if that is the case as well.

@Linux7055 It will definitely sell worse than the original model. In fact $399 would be the most expensive Nintendo console ever released.
But no one mentions that when xbox/psx cost more then the original? That kinda clickbait is just that clickbait that is meaningless here. Overall Switch still cost less then either console and plus are either of those Portable. I'd pay to have the portable factor and most would as well.

@SwitchForce I don't get why you are trying to argue a fact. You should know that Nintendo don't target the same audience as Microsoft and Sony. Most people will be hard pressed to pay an extra $100 for a slightly better Switch. I don't think the PS4 Pro/Xbox One X approach will work for Nintendo. I also don't believe in your portable=should cost more mentality. This is not a smartphone, its only a game console. Historically portable gaming have always cost less than consoles.

I don't think Nintendo is making a premium Switch. I believe they will take the New 3DS appoach.

@Linux7055 What facts are you arguing about make sense. Really so your Nintendo Strategy sales department now? This is why some are moles on here just trying to deflect a loosing battle when the facts are against them.

@Giancarlothomaz I paid $349 + taxes for my Deluxe Wii U on release so I would say that $399 would be in line with what they would ask for... Whether or not we think it’s worth the purchase/ upgrade is another matter but it would still sell like hot cakes.

For me to justify an upgrade it would have to have a better display, battery, better WiFi connection, Bluetooth audio capabilities. That would probably get me..

@Mr-Fuggles777 how does it work on terms of lag for you? I am asking as in my experience all cloud solutions (Steam link, GeForce now, stadia and gamepass ultimate) have noticeble lag even when just on the side of my 5G wireless router. And I am talking lag that is a deal breaker on any game not turn base. It did work fine if connectd by a link cable though

@Balta666 remote play to my phone has veey little to no lag around the house, but can get a little janky when I use it in work.
Xcloud is a lot more consistent in work aside from a few crashes. I do tend to stick to single player games as I often need to jump out quickly if I'm needed. I have noticed a little lag when playing online games like Destiny 2 via Xcloud

Anytime you want to use work internet for play they will throttle such gaming attempts. Their IT most likely already know this will happen and throttle any attempts.

I'm fine with my base model.