Isn't it fun when you find out that there's some preteen out there who makes more money than you? Maybe "fun" isn't quite the word. There are kids out there making millions from their toy review YouTube channels, or from the sheer luck of being born into the right family. Still, we're satisfied with our lives, right? We quite enjoy eating cold beans out of the tin and having to rinse out toilet paper so we can re-use it, right? (We are kidding about this one. Promise.)
The latest under-10 to make money out of his hobby is Joseph Deen, a Californian eight-year-old who just signed a contract with Team 33, a professional eSports team based in his home state, according to the BBC. Deen has been playing Fortnite since he was four years old, and picked up the notice of one of Team 33's scouts a while back.
"One of my scouts got in touch and said, 'I've got to know this kid called Joseph and he is insanely good'," Team 33's CEO Tyler Gallagher told the BBC. "After a while my scout said 'you've got to sign this kid. If we don't, someone else will!'"
Deen looks up to fellow Fortnite players, naming Kyle "Bugha" Giersdorf as his inspiration, who won $3 million (£2.2m) in the Fortnite World Cup back in 2019. "No-one took him seriously until he won the World Cup," says Deen, "and I feel the same, as no-one took me seriously until I was signed by Team 33."
Back in 2019, a pro gamer called Patrick "H1ghsky1" Bragaru was banned from Twitch when people discovered that he was only 11. A member of eSports team FaZe Clan, Bragaru's age was revealed in a lawsuit from another FaZe Clan member, Turner "Tfue" Tenney, which alleged that the contract he signed with them had held him back professionally.
The difference between H1ghsky1 and Deen is that H1ghsky1 had lied about his age, though - and H1ghsky1 continues to stream from his YouTube account, where children under 13 are still allowed to make content as long as they are supervised.
As to whether or not Team 33 is once again breaking the rules, Tyler Gallagher isn't concerned. "We made the signing announcement so the world knows Joseph's age, and we don't make a mistake like FaZe did with H1ghsky1," he said, stating that Deen is "legally allowed to be in tournaments with no cup." He also points out that the contract is flexible, and allows Deen to "pull out whenever he wants." Their long-term goal with Deen is to "groom him to be a top-level player" and enter him in tournaments when he turns sixteen, like Bugha.
Despite Fortnite having a PEGI 12 and ESRB Teen rating, Deen's mother Gigi isn't too worried about her son. She lets him play Fortnite for two or three hours a day, and more at weekends, and says that her approach is to avoid nagging, since it turns kids into "rebels".
Joseph Deen won't turn 16 for another eight years - twice his current age. In the meantime, he will continue playing Fortnite, streaming on his YouTube channel, and selling merchandise to earn Team 33 back the $33,000 (£26k) they paid him as a signing bonus - which has been placed in a savings account by his mother.
[source team33gaming.com, via bbc.com]
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I still don't take you serious kid.
What kind of message is this sending to kids whose parents won't let them play as they aren't old enough?
my god I was not allowed to touch an electronic until 8 years old and it was a TV and it wasn't even mine
I'm both impressed and a little depressed. It's hard to describe.
this was funny until I realized it wasn't a joke
sorry the mother is nothing short of a moron. Do your job and look after your children not dump an 8 year old in front screen play fortnight 3 hours a day. No doubt topped up with2 to 3 hours yt and tv.
Eric Cartman is 8 years old and made millions selling songs about Jesus he copied off of other songs lol.
For everyone who think this is wrong, don’t watch their videos and boycott the companies that sponsor them.
To be fair, if the 8 year old was a piano prodigy then nobody would bat an eyelid. It’s the same concept, just a different medium.
I should show this to the wife.
Putting them on games would make my life a whole lot easier and I wouldn’t want any sponsors or payments towards me. Just some peace 😀
Yeah... you’re still playing Fortnite, sonny boy. Come back when you start playing retro games professionally and THEN I’ll start taking you seriously!
@nessisonett I would bat an eye, I love hearing talented youngsters play musical instruments, but then again, I've been a musician since I was 6.
I get what you mean though, generally people ignore stuff like that in favor of more trivial matters.
@Anguspuss I mean if the kid's going to be earning a lot of money, her "moronic" decisions have actually worked out in the long run.
I make sure sure my son plays age appropriate games... Sod it. Getting him on COD and Fortnite to earn some cash.
The douchiest 8 year old of them all.
@Anguspuss I mean he's making bank so I don't think he has anything to worry about.
@BloodNinja so you would send an 8 year old out to work 3 hours a day then
@BloodNinja I meant more that people wouldn’t see an issue if it was a musical instrument, rather than video games.
Turning kids into rebels? What?
@nessisonett Oh, gotcha! Thanks for clarifying.
@Anguspuss I'm not sure what you are referencing, can you be more specific in your response?
Bruh the game's pegi 12 and you need to be 13 to have an account
From what I've heard, it seems like the entire Fortnite community is 8-year-olds.
@nessisonett not really....i mean, you're not wrong in a way but the piano is never going to be outdated.
Also - his parents get the 33k sign on bonus. And i'm sure it will all be used appropriately for the child's future.
@Losermagnet The boy actually does play piano as well so it’s interesting to see the difference in reactions if he had shown an abnormal talent in that instead.
@nessisonett I agree with that, it is an interesting reaction to the two.
I don't find myself saying "God willing one day we'll live without pianos". Fortnite on the other hand.....
Yeah... I’m kinda tired of this planet now.
@Burning_Spear Yup whiny 8 year olds who use their moms phone to play and beg their parents for vbucks
This is why I hate Fortnite and especially the community- it takes itself way too seriously and thinks the ESRB doesn't apply to it.
@nessisonett Agreed completely. My nephew and his friends all have limits to playing video games (no more than 3 hours a day) and they all choose to play and grind fortnite. They play in tournaments, they practice together, they work on their call outs. It's actually insane. I've babysat him enough times to learn to accept that "video game for young person = bad" is a stupid and prehistoric concept at this point. As long as their physical health remains intact, and respect for their parents stays - there should be no problem with it.
I hate to say it but what are the chances this kid is in and out of various rehabs for drug and alcohol addictions in his late teens/early 20's?
@xavieruniverse I am glad I did a whole lot more than play video games when I was a kid. Making news broadcasts on a used cassette recorder with my brother, learning to draw, riding bikes through the neighborhood with other kids, and playing little league baseball are all right up there in importance to staying up late to play Donkey Kong Country with my mom.
Games are fun but there are more important things in life especially for children.
Dang, good for that kid. Hopefully the money is used responsibly by his mother (possibly for college?), he stays out of celebrity drama, and he is able to find further success.
I hope he is ok. It is impressive to an extent but it all needs parental managing. It is a PEGI 12, isn't it? This is speaking as a a dad of gaming kids. He does have other things and talents outside video games, I presume, so that is good and interesting as well. A managed diet of video games is fine and good.
Well done to him anyway & good luck
And this just makes a mockery of the age rating systems.
What the hell has become of the world, think of the children!
@KateGray I laughed in amazement when a friend on social media announced their kid went pro playing a game. It's definitely a thing.
@WoomyNNYes my kid's gonna be a pro at Ace Attorney some day.
@KateGray No objection
I'm almost 100% ignorant in all things Fortnite, so my question will mostly come off as dumb, but:
Wasn't there an official Epic age restriction to make an account(?)/play Fortnite? Wasn't this number bigger than 8?
@KateGray best legal advice from Ace Attorney? Consult your spirit medium and accuse the witnesses (after finding contradictions, of course).
These things genuienly make me want to necc rope
sad life imo
extra
sees the Alienware
Fancy, he is the perfect type of person to buy a Alienware.
(nothing wrong with Alienware though, however you pay heavily for the brand name)
Ah well if he at least puts some of the money aside for his future that would be fine, unless his parents waste his money considering his age.
My only problem is that actually Epic should ban him.
You see Fornite is PEGI 12 and you must be old enough to play it due to it's online nature (I did read their terms once because I was bored, they can ban you for giving fasle information about your age, which had to happen here considering this fella is not old enough)
@Anguspuss you would be suprised how many parents I know that complain about their older kids (14+) play too much games online now because "they already sit half day 5 days a week behind a screen" (while forgetting the fact that "half day 5 days a week" is for school, most of them are online here because of the pandemic and that gaming is a different thing to that.
And yet same parents dump the younger kids behind a tablet to get rid of them...
@Losermagnet the best legal advice is "You can tell who did the murder because his name is Killed A. Mann"
@KateGray
UGH. LOL.
Once Fortnite one day dies down and the money isn't there any more i wonder what future these kids have. You can say they are set for life but come on we all know kids and teens and adults will spend those millions pretty quick.
Being quite honest i don't think any kid should be giving the type of money they can earn from these games, it teaches them nothing and has them rely on something too much that one day may well not be there. I remember reading an interview with David Beckham and he said his kids have to go out and earn their money and learn to appreciate it instead of falling back on him, granted this Fortnite player is earning but its teaching him nothing and you can see from that cocky smile he has in the pic that the cockiness will grow and grow.
@nessisonett there does seem to be more here against an 8 year old for playing a game that many people don't like more than anything. You make a good point that many wouldn't even care of this child was making money for playing some form of musical instrument or even was making money as a child actor or even if he was part of some youth academy of a sports team. The moment it is by playing a game a few hours a day it is seen as a negative and viewed as bad parenting based on comments.
@nessisonett You don't have to be 12 to play the piano though.
I wish I could play the piano but learning gave me migraines as a child so have stayed clear since. It's always going to impress me more as that is one thing I wish I could do. I would probably be more envious of his piano skills.
Didn't epic games say you had to be 13 to play this game? soooooo how the hell is he a pro player when they said you needed to be 13, if I'm wrong please let me know.
@Beatrice that's why we use Kitchen Roll, you only need one sheet and it's strong enough to rinse out for next time.
@Snatcher, does anyone over the age of 12 actually play fortnite?
I've heard the odd 8-10 year old sounding kid playing adult games online, and the way some talk to them is sometimes filthy and illegal, nothing ever done about it and then the kid becomes just as toxic or more so. Not sure why parents are happy to let children learn foul language, see adult content and everything else.
I don't see the piano prodigy analogy. A piano prodigy is actually creating something. This kid is not. If he were designing his own videos games at 8, I'd be impressed. Playing FortNite... not so much.
@FlyingFoxy we had a dad come into our Gears 3 Lobby shouting at us for cursing and joking about overtly sexual stuff when his 10 year old son was on the team - it was a few of my friends and 1 random (this kid didn't have a mic so we had no idea how young he was).
We ripped his dad apart for letting him play an 18 rated game, if he was playing age appropriate games he wouldn't have been subjected to a conversation about hookers vs porn stars in the first place.
This comment section is too great. I mean he is an 8 year old, I was that like 6 years ago, and at that age, I was playing the ground is lava on a playground, or tag, or even kickball with friends, not throwing my life away to play a shooter game, that when it dies everybody will forget about it. If the kid did like tiny tournaments, but still had a social life(not playing for 3 hours straight) like I may play smash a little competitive, but still hang with friends. I don’t know, this entire fortnite game community is all 5-9 year olds, so what can I say
@Anguspuss
Is gaming really the same as a job such as a mechanic or another job. Even fast food I mean the kid is playing video games. I get YouTube takes work and streaming to but for videos there is much more work than streams.
And this is why I can't take Fortnite seriously.
@Slinkoy1 but 8 years ago you wasnt in national lock down 24 hours a day was you? Bar a couple of months in between our lock downs, kids havnt been able to go out and hang what so ever for a year here in the UK. Its against the law. What are they supposed to do? My lad is 15 and sits behind his pc the majority of the afternoon talking to his friends and playing a variety of games but mostly Fortnite and hes bloody good at it. He gets up, does his daily routine of chores and his set school work to a fair standard then hops online with his mates. As long as hes looking after his hygiene, his attitude doesn't turn to s**t and gets done what his school has set i have no issue with him gaming when ever he wants.Its keeps his brain working and engaged and most importantly his mental health is fine. Its literally the only social interaction he can have with his mates. Take that away from him, or indeed any child suffering during the lockdown and you take away the only social interaction he has with the outside world. I think its been harder on kids than anyone else. I mean, i work so i see people on a daily basis outside of the house, i can go food shopping to get a change of scenery and im still bored as hell but kids literally dont have that option what so ever at the moment bar their "government" approved daily exercise walk. I commented and child that has kept their sanity and a positive outlook on life throughout this pandemic. Im 38 and its the most miserable, dark year ive known in my lifetime.
@WallyWest The skills you develop competing in e-sports at the top level probably will make you succeed in any environment. It requires very strong discipline and self reflection. Knowing how to practice in the most efficient matter. Perform under heavy pressure and having to constantly study the metagame to stay on top or ahead of it.
It's easy for most of the pro's to just switch games and compete on the top level in a few years (or just play poker and rake in millions).
Also more and more companies are seeing the value in hiring gamers, for example pro starcraft player SeleCT was offered an internship purely based on his e-sport performances.
Really the biggest worry is wether he can actually succeed in fortnite in the first place.
Esports are so stupid, but in a world where a chick can make millions with butthole pictures, I guess this is fine.
@redpanda0310 The ESRB is a joke though. I was playing Goldeneye at 9, and Perfect dark at 11.
@Kidfunkadelic83 thats more of your governments fault though.
"Isn't it fun when you find out that there's some preteen out there who makes more money than you?"
Isn't it also nice that child exploitation is getting younger every year?
A while back, there was a scare going through parents around the world, the experts warning of the danger of children spending all their time cooped up indoors.............reading BOOKS!
Make sure they do their homework and then just let them have some damn fun for god sake.
@Trajan Its only a joke because people ignore it and it doesn't actually have any power to keep younger kids from playing mature games- not like PETA xD they make themselves a joke
Astonishing that they actually would pay an 8-year-old to play a game as stupid as this. I took a look at Fortnite. It's like being in a Bugs Bunny cartoon. There's a reason so many little kids play this game. Because it's basically made for children and people with the minds of children. Not really even a shooter. The monotony of going around smashing stuff. How can anyone possibly stand it?
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