Last Friday saw the launch of Pikmin 3 Deluxe on Nintendo Switch, a new and improved port of Pikmin 3 which originally released on Wii U. In an unusual turn of events, the Switch version hasn't managed to outperform the original game in its opening week sales – in the UK, at least.
Thanks to the Switch's significantly higher install base, we've seen plenty of Wii U ports jumping over to Nintendo's newest console and enjoying great success. As one example, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe on Switch has already sold more than 26 million copies worldwide – with that figure ever-rising – compared to the Wii U version's final total of just 8.45 million.
Pikmin 3 hasn't followed suit, however. GamesIndustry.biz reports that in terms of physical sales in the UK, the Switch version's opening week sales are down 18.5% when compared to the original Wii U release. Physical chart data shows that the game debuted in seventh place, being outperformed by plenty of other Nintendo titles which have been available for some time.
It's worth noting that Nintendo doesn't disclose its weekly digital sales data, and if digital sales were included, that 18.5% gap likely wouldn't be quite as severe. Digital sales are on the up across the board, after all, even more so thanks to the current pandemic, and we're sure plenty of Pikmin fans have chosen to download a copy of the game this time around.
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[source gamesindustry.biz]
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The sequel only part has done damage... A trilogy would have performed way better.
If this confirms, it will probably return the licence to the freezer...
Bought it for Wii U, not paying full $60 for it again.
There wasn’t the amount of choice of games when this launched on the WiiU, that the Switch has, so I can see how this may have sold more on its launch on WiiU. Plus it was a long awaited new iteration of the series and not a port.
I had this on WiiU and although I’ve brought it again on Switch (as I no longer have my WiiU) others who had this originally may not buy it again.
Lastly I would say this game is really a unique genre and not everyone’s cup of tea.
Welp, that's this franchise dead again. Real shame because I genuinely thought Pikmin being on a really successful console for a change would have have increased its sales, not the opposite (in the UK at the very least).
Shame because this port is actually one of the better ones with a plethora of new content, unlike DK Tropical Freeze and New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe which were the exact same games but with one new character or new power-up.
Also, while I know people usually dislike games getting delayed especially with how empty Nintendo's 2020 line-up has been this year, this game should have absolutely got delayed to sometime next year when it wasn't fighting tooth and nail with other major hot Nintendo releases (Age of Calamity is highly anticipated and 3D All Stars is STILL being discussed, even if it's mainly negative) and the upcoming release of the PS5 and Xbox One Series X so that it had some chance to be in the spotlight.
Unsurprising. They're charging full price for a game with virtually no upgrades (besides the original slim DLC), for a franchise that wasn't mainstream to begin with.
They should have just included all three games and called it a day.
I don't think the game really deserves to do well. Pikmin 3 is the worst game in the trilogy and this port seems to add very little of value. For full retail price, they really should have made it a full trilogy. Re-releasing the first two games in HD would have made it a much more appealing prospect.
Wii U did have no games for several months at that point though (Pikmin 3 was the second 1st party Wii U game post-launch that wasn't also available as DLC, the first was Game & Wario a month earlier), some people will have picked up Pikmin 3 because they desperately want a game for their new system. Meanwhile Switch has lots of games.
@Sissyrobyn996 Clearly not well enough?
oh no!this could means Pikmin fans will never be able to play Pikmin 4 in they Switch or it sucessor.
The sequel to a niche title ported from an unpopular console, the third entry of a series that was dormant for a good few years. This is unsurprising to me, too.
Dont buy it - and maybe Nintendo gets the idea that 60 for a lazy port is to much. 30 would be reasonable, and considering the next generation ( at least Xbox Series S/X ) even gives you FREE Upgrades.
The title is nonsense, so is the art, and it has a "3" at the end.
I'd excuse anyone for not feeling welcome here.
It's been 16 years since Pikmin 2 first released, and even longer since the original name saw a bit of general buzz from being a GameCube launch window title.
I know they re-released the first two on Wii, but people were busy playing Wii Sports, and the third game... well. Wii U didn't exactly catch on in Europe. Many still don't know what it actually was, or that it was at all, and Nintendo's been more than happy to attempt erasing it from everyone's memory.
Considering that Mario 3d all stars happened, and the new PS5, Xbox, spiderman, demon souls, cyberpunk, and hyrule warriors is coming soon, all within about a month, I wouldn't be surprised for people not picking it up, at least not yet
It’s a lazy release and not a triple A Nintendo game. They should’ve done Starfox 64 HD deluxe instead
@BenAV agreed Nintendo should have released a colection with all Pikmin games on, a la Metroid Prime Trilogy, sadly Nintendo is gonna see the disapointing sales of Pikmin 3 Deluxe, and decide that is not worty release Pikmin 4 on Switch or it sucessor.
@Giancarlothomaz Honestly I'd just expect Pikmin 4 to end up disappointing me if they were to make one anyway. I want them to be a bit more ambitious with the series and make something of a much larger scale but I suspect we'd just end up with more of the same.
@Sissyrobyn996 The two articles don't contradict each other at all. You say they offer different statistics but the one you linked doesn't mention numbers at all.
It hit the top 10 and did well but still did 18% less than the Wii U version
It's on my wishlist, but not high priority as I had the Wii U version. There's better new games for the same money, and I'm not someone who has the time or money to justify buying everything I want the second it's released.
Maybe Nintendo should reconsider porting every Wii U game at full price. It's getting ridiculous by now.
It’s currently #2 on the US e-shop so dont think its doing as well digitally either. Nintendo really should have priced this more realistically
Don’t get me wrong, I love Pikmin and want to pick this up, but that’s what you get when you charge full £50/$60 to a pretty standard Wii U port. The sweet spot for this is £35/$40, no more, no less.
We love you Nintendo, but you’ve got to work on your pricing of older games!
releasing in the launch of the next generation, highly anticipated games such as Hyrule Warriors:Age of Calamity and how little the game was marketed(Hyrule Warriors:Age of Calamity recieve way more marketing then this game)resulted in Nintendo possibily giving up of this franchise and NEVER, NEVER releasing Pikmin 4 on Switch or it sucessor(poor Pikmin fans like Arlo).
I got it on Wii U ages ago and this, apart from some added content, offers me nothing worthwhile to bring me to double dip. It doesn't look any better and it's lacking the brilliant Gamepad integration that was so important to making the original extra special. I can't justify buying it again and it's a shame that more people on Switch aren't getting it if they never played it on Wii U because it really is a superb game otherwise. It's just that having already got all the DLC for free on My Nintendo + the game heavily discounted also through My Nintendo on Wii U, I have no reason to buy it again. The extra content is not enough for me to justify the buy when it's missing the map on the gamepad thing that was so convenient. Even if I bought it I'd always prefer going back to the Wii U version instead.
So what if PHYSICAL sales are down. That doesn't suprise me much considering COVID. The digital sales comparison is what matters.
I hope Nintendo takes this as a sign of wanting new games, rather than not wanting Pikmin. If this was Pikmin 4, I would of pre-ordered. As it stands though, I have no intention of buying this until it is as cheap as the Wii U version.
I mean, in my personal experience, launching so close to Hyrule Warriors and other expensive games did not help. They legit could have launched this in any of the game famines before 3D All Stars.
Its just way too short.. They should have released a version 4 with proper marketing, and a longer storyline and it would have performed better.
I didn't get it, seems like a fun game but not for $60, I'll probably get it if it goes on sale at some point
overpriced you can get away with wii u mario titles but pikmin nah
With Digital sales becoming more popular and the current Pandemic, it's no big surprise that Pikmin 3 physical sales apparently didn't do that well. That, and it's competing against other games, such as Super Mario 3D All-Stars.
Hopefully its digital sales are good enough.
Grabbing the armchair...where to start....I strongly think that the Pikmin fan base bought or got (MK8 bundle giveaway) Pikmin 3 on Wii U. So there’s the core fans taken care of. This time around the “Deluxe” was insubstantial and the game received no graphical update to entice the second buy.
As for new players...I’ve no idea. Pikmin is probably in the same club as Star Fox, F-Zero, games that long time Nintendo heads get into and want more of.
I don’t even think pricing it low would solve this franchise’s sales issue. And it is an issue, because Pikmin is a great, great game.
They probably should have rolled out Pikmin 4 for the Pikmin 3 WiiU crowd. But now in a pandemic environment that’s probably dead last on the list
It is very likely the Switch game has sold better when digital sales are included but Pikmin was never going to set the charts on fire.
At the time of release on the Wii U everyone was desperate for a new game because they were starved of quality first party titles, not quite the case with Switch as shown by the other Switch titles in the top 10.
Then there is also the fact that Pikmin has never been a huge seller anyway.
Overall I think it can be considered a decent launch for the game.
I bought it on Wii U and I bought it again (two copies to be precise) last week.. My son has been playing on his and I’ve been playing on mine and every so often we do some co-op on mine or his game. I love the series and yeah Nintendo could have came off the price a little but I don’t really care. It brings a bit of light into this miserable 2020...
Never liked this game.
Weak port of a simple Wii U game for full price.
It's like they're not even trying. Also with the XBOX Series and PS5 coming in the next few weeks.
I never expected this game to do well. It’s very boring for players that haven’t played it before or have some sort of memory of it, and then those people have already played this game!
There isn’t enough new stuff in this package, and at full price it’s a joke.
The demo does nothing to stimulate interest as it’s quite slow and rather boring, for players that aren’t already Pikmin fans.
I hope this poor selling shows Nintendo they have do do better.
I’m saving it as a Christmas game (along with Immortals and Cyberpunk). I tried Age of Calamity last night and it just didn’t click with me, so unless Nintendo has another game up their sleeve, looks like a Pikmin Christmas.
Didn’t Bayonetta sell less at the start as well yet eventually beat the Wii U sells in the long term?
Did they really put in the effort to ‘sell’ it though?
I’ll buy it, but at a later date.
Don't assume just yet that the game is selling poorly. We don't know anything about how much it has been selling digitally.
Seems silly to equate the sales of the Wii U version, which didn’t have much to compete with, with the sales of a port 8 years later that doesn’t add a whole lot extra to compete with a much denser system library. Not to mention that digital sales will undoubtedly be a much higher portion this time around.
I don’t think this means the franchise is dead at all, Pikmin 4 has supposedly been in development for a while now and I can’t see Nintendo leaving one of Miyamoto’s golden geese to die in obscurity.
Pikmin doesnt have mass appeal sadly and I'm sure there wasnt the same amount of people who never got to play it on wii u that are lining up for switch version.(like with Mario kart) I suspect less double dips too.
The sales are suffering because it's 20 dollars more than a remake should be.
I would probably buy it for $39.99 not for an old remake to be honest buy the 3d collection its 3 games you are paying 20 for each Nintendo needs to stop making their remasters 60 it would have been cool to see 1 and 2 in the bundle then in a 1 or 2 years we could see the 4 one then you could have all physical and on switch.
@barneygumble don't buy it... and go pay through the nose for a Cemu-capable laptop instead? Yeah, no. Some of us here know well what they're paying up to $60 for.
Ah great... that means Nintendo will lower their standards for Pikmin 4 and place it even LOWER on their priority list... this really sucks for us Pikmin fans... 😔
I have just about ero excitement for this old game.
Playing on Wii U was a chore, due to the control options and mapping, and I certainly won;t be re-buying it full price.
Hopefully many of the sales are new users rather that wiiu repeats. If so that is still a success.
@barneygumble They aren’t all getting free upgrades. Third parties are encouraged to offer them, but NBA2K isn’t. Control isn’t. I’m sure there are or will be others that aren’t. Supposedly some Bethesda games are being repackaged/bundled with upgrades for the XS X/S consoles—whether or not they are offered for Free to people who own them is unknown.
1. Wii U digital is low vs Switch digital
2. Covid impact has increased digital sales
3. Digital has grown massively in the years between Wii U and Switch release!
Pikmin 3 Switch will undoubtedly be much higher than Wii U when counting digital sales.
That said... I haven't bought it...! (But I didnt on Wii U either!)
Hopefully this gets Nintendo to reconsider their pricing for Wii U ports, though I think the biggest factor was the lack of marketing. Almost forgot this was coming out this week, and Nintendo releasing a Direct 2 days before gave the game no favors. I want Pikmin to succeed, but it seems Nintendo doesn't quite know what they want to do with the series.
@Otherboard It's not silly at all. When Pikmin 3 released originally, the Wii U had sold less than 4 million units. By comparison, the Switch has sold 60 million and isn't slowing down. Every Wii U port should be selling more regardless of price simply because the install base is so much bigger.
So it's at seven, it's a port, it's come out at a time with many other better games. Digital sales are beating physical in this era. And pikmin 3 gets in the top ten and that's a bad thing ha ha lol. I didn't expect this game to fly away but its still a success isn't it ha ha there's brand new games being released not making the top 100 ha ha, the port is selling great for a port of a lesser known ip. I don't see the issue.🤔🤔
Pricing is the only reason. Not every Wii U port worth 60$.
For it is the high price point that makes it not worth it. If it was €40 or less I might reconsider. But €60 for a port, of a game I already own, I pass.
Not surprising from the most lazy Wii U to Switch port out there (720p/30 in dock on Switch, which is same as Wii U)
Plus the premium price above it... but that would be okay if the at least tried better with this port.
Got my copy and I'll buy it again too if it'll help...
This game should have been $39.99 and they would have sold a lot more. I am not paying full price for a game I already paid full price for on a system that flopped.
Nintendo got unlucky with their greed on this one.
@Sissyrobyn996 thanks for including the other article. I was confused and thought I read something different about Pikmin.
I’d buy Pikmin 1+2 for $60 or Pikmin 3 for $30. In reality I just want to play 2 again because it is the best one.
Not surprising, but I don't think it's because of the content/price point etc. Digital sales are probably higher. Plus, you got next gen consoles coming out, and the marketing push seemed pretty low. I know in the states at least, people can be hesitant to spend this close to election day. overall i dont really expect it to be a blockbuster or anything.
@RudyC3 completely agree with your comment. I got all the dlc free with my Nintendo rewards
As some reviews have said, if you bought the original version don't bother with the Switch version.
Nintendo aimed Pikmin at the new Switch owners and not the loyal gamers who have already played it. It doesn't seem to have worked.
@Sissyrobyn996
Zero point complaining about clickbait here. They don't care at all. The do it because all those clicks bring in the ad revenue.
Morals and integrity? None of that unfortuately.
Did we really need this port at full price once more?
As someone who bought digital this time and physical on Wii U... yeah, I'd genuinely be surprised if total sales weren't up.
Hoping other regions will do better though.
@Bliquid Hm? The controls are one of the best parts (the only thing I'll give you is it's difficult for newcomers to know which of the included control schemes they'd like best, but motion controls are perfect for this game if you try them IMO). The graphics were among the best on the Wii U, (and not something a port would change), and the gameplay of Pikmin 3 is thoroughly modernized compared to 1&2.
It's not about being quirky and different (which... it really isn't all that much), it's just a set of good games.
@Res462 the current version of control is getting a free upgrade.
Nintendo did no effort on this overpriced port, so it's nice to see people finally vote with their wallets.
I already bought it on Wii U over 7 years ago for only 32 bucks on release. 7 years later same game costs nearly twice as much.
Halloween, not expected week for this kind of game. Also, I'm burned from buying 3d star, remakes from Nintendo, I think I will pass for while
Not surprising,but Nintendo marketing bods will make this a reason not to do pikmin 4
First off if this causes them to cancel pikmin 4 which miamoto (or however it's spelled) said was "almost finished" 5 years ago then I'm gonna be pissed. Secondly I shouldn't have to scroll all the way to the bottom of the page just to make a comment
Well 50 pound for an old game was not going to help it
Should have been 25 pounds at most
@BenAV
I really enjoyed Pikmin 3 on WiiU. The gamepad plus Wii remote controls were great. But i miss the strict time constraints from the first game. That was an enjoyable challenge.
Confused why this is being called a lazy Deluxe? I mean, compared to everything else competing for that title. They've added 14 new story missions - all based on existing maps, but remixed . There's co-op for the story now. There's new difficulty modes - a new harder mode, even. And the control scheme was largely reworked.
I get the complaints over it being 60 bucks when we have beautiful reworks like Xenoblade this year for the same price, but I think they did more than most other Wii U ports here.
@Dethmunk
I doubt it's selling that well digitally...the truth is that if it's not Mario, Zelda or a few other Nintendo IPs It won't sell at full price!
I hope it does well but at this price point and with what’s being offered it wouldn’t surprise me if it does poorly. I’m afraid that Nintendo will look at poor sales and conclude that no one wants a Pikmin game. Honestly what they should’ve done is either offered a HD remaster trilogy at this price point or sold this lone game at a much lower price point.
@Kamalen not really. The game has virtually no story so it really doesn’t matter.
@justin233 I actually think I prefer the 30 day time limit on the first game (I think that was the time limit).
Two was a lot of fun, but it took me forever to get past some of the bosses.
If we ever get GC on NSO, maybe we can play them that way? Not that it is very likely to happen.
Good let this be a message sent to Nintendo. Don't charge us $60 for 7 year old games that have very little love given to their "Deluxe" editions.
@BLD The new harder mode basically makes the game closer to the old normal mode. The normal mode in this game is closer to the old game's easy mode.
@nhSnork running cemu isn’t difficult if you have a half decent computer.
@WoodyDonut this game should have been $20 bucks on a Switch Virtual Console. Okay maybe $25 for adding coop. But any other publisher would have just put this up digitally for $20 or released the trilogy for $40 or $50.
Low effort= low sales, Nintendo wake up!
@Trajan I know, yet I have seen people saying they will pass P3 because "they don't know the previous games". Don't know how much they actually are, but they can amount to something.
Even with sales down, it's sold better than a 7 year old port should have sold at full price. Sends completely the wrong message to Nintendo that this is okay.
@Dethmunk The lockdown doesn't happen until Thursday. Game shops are open.
1. The game was NEW on Wii U
2. The Wii U didnt have anywhere NEAR the options to play games as Switch does
3. Word of mouth is that it's not the best port it could have been (even though that's purely subjective and opinionated)
@Bliquid Whoa - I totally felt the same way man. Thought I was an outlier. A lot of potential here...but with the game being so relatively easy (from experience and what I was told in reviews) a lot fo the game tasks would eventually start feeling like "chores" versus engaging gameplay. The art direction had charm to it, but the actual graphics looked pretty mediocre...like a budget title (even for the time it was from).
The series is still going to get special treatment by miyamoto
The increase in digital sales means Pikmin 3 DX should have a much bigger opening than the Wii U version (sub-3% digital attach ratio in 2013 => 40+% digital attach ratio in 2020).
However, it is very clear that Pikmin is still very niche in the UK (and in the rest of the world too).
Some weird excuses for why it sold better on Wii U here such as there was little choice in games on that system compared to Switch but conveniently forgetting the Switch has more than 6 times the customers.
Simply put Nintendo have been pushing their luck with these Wii U ports at ridiculous pricing and without Mario or perhaps Zelda to back it up they were always going to fall flat on their face with this one. Pikmin was never a big name but surely the entire trilogy would have been a much better proposition
I agree with what people are saying on the price and not buying to send a message. Unfortunately the other message being sent to Nintendo is people are not interested in Pikmin.
I still have this on my Wii U.
I personally payed £40 on the eShop having a game voucher, and although I am not happy with price, the 2 player co op, all DLC, QOL features, and convenience of portable play make it worth it.
I’m not surprised, it seems like no effort was put into it. 1080p should have been the minimum.
@Res462 even if they don't offer free upgrades the games will at the very least load faster and if the game doesn't have a locked frame rate will lock it at 60fps. Dynamic resolution will also be improved. Either way those are significant improvements versus what's being offered here on the Wii u successor which I was lead to believe was closer in power to the xbox one than the xbox 360
Would have bought it if it weren't such a half assed port. I'd rather spend $10 bucks more and pay for a proper remake like Demon's Souls on PS5.
@westman98 I'm not convinced that ratio will apply to Pikmin 3, its not exactly troubled the top of the eshop charts
@carlos82
Don't live in the UK, but here in the US, Pikmin 3 DX was #3 on the eShop charts during the weeks ending October 31st (which accounts for it's launch day sales only), behind Hades (one of the biggest indie games on Switch in 2020) and Super Mario 3D All-Stars (one of the biggest games of the year in general).
40% digital ratio is entirely within the realm of possibility. Even if it's not at 40%, it is almost certainly much, much higher than 3%, which was the average digital ratio of most Nintendo games back in 2013.
Like I said, Pikmin is still niche, but saying it's launch was lower than that of the Wii U original is disingenuous.
I think had Pikmin 3 been £10-15 cheaper then more people may have bought this, including me. I have this on the Wii-U and I fired up the Wii-U yesterday having Pikmin 3 in mind to play as I also found the game guide for it too. With a second lockdown here in England sales might pick up for it. Nintendo could have done a Switch bundle for this, the artwork on the box would have been nice.
@Trajan the definition of a "half decent computer" varies a lot, and so does the price.
Honestly, the thing that would've pushed me to buy this again on Switch would be online co-op.
Why is it that Super Mario 3D World is getting online, but not Pikmin 3?
Would've loved to play through Pikmin 3 with a friend, but I guess Nintendo doesn't want my money for this one.
I WILL be buying 3D World for Switch though! (Despite already owning the Wii U version)
I still have it on Wii U and I bought the dlc for it so no need to buy it again. Maybe a big percentage of the audience for this game owned it on Wii U already.
It will be interesting to know what the digital download numbers were. But I already own this game on Wii U and the co-op isn't enough to make me double-dip at full-price. I think that might be the same for a lot of die-hard Nintendo fans, especially because of the pandemic and the effect it's had on all of our wallets. It could also be a sign of Pikmin fatigue. Not sure but I don't think it's ever been one of Nintendo's better-selling franchises.
I got it digitally. But, then again, I did the same thing with the Wii U version.
I enjoyed Pikmin 3 but beat it on Wii U. A triple-pack or even Pikmin 1+2 probably would've done better. It has very little in terms of additional content. I mean, that's also the case with other Wii U re-releases as well, but the Mario platformers have multiplayer that I think would make them do a little more well (along with the name Mario).
No ones going to pay 60 for a straight port of a old game. Nintendo stinking up the joint in 2020,2019, shoot 2018 as well. Launch year was decent. Been downhill ever since in my eyes.
It probably will have better legs than the Wii U version.
If only there was a way to upgrade my digital wii u version to switch. Or the other load of first party wii u games I have that have been ported.
I appreciate work has gone into this release, but they already had my support on the last console. It's a good game, but they would probably have got more support from wii u owners if there was some kind of upgrade route. Not saying it should be free, but I feel £40 is a bit much for what this offers.
That said, maybe they are banking more on wii u owners double dipping at full price.
@Daldra Right, the UE is. It’s $40. Not the one everyone bought last year when it came out.
No buy for me. The Wii U version is still getting used & there wasn't a big enough reason to move over. DLC? Nope, already got that..... So far no Wii U double dip for me yet....
Wouldn’t the UK lockdown affect physics sales though? Would be interested to see total sales
Maybe make Pikmin 4 instead of all the Wii U ports
@BenAV i see, what do you think Nintendo should do to make Pikmin 4 more ambitous?make a open World RTS for Pikmin 4?
Most of the diehard fans would have already owned a Wii U to play this game, so, the news isn't too surprising.
I echo the sentiment that a triple pack could perhaps have changed its fortunes though. Now that we know that the Switch can handle N64/GameCube/Wii emulation without breaking a sweat (via Super Mario 3D All Stars) bringing over the Wii ports of the first two Pikmin games should have been a cinch, really.
@Giancarlothomaz Well for one it should be a significantly larger in scope. Pikmin 3 felt like it was just getting started to me when the credits rolled. I felt extremely unsatisfied.
i will wait until its 35 dollars... it should be all 3 games not just 1 which has shoddy resolution and frame rate 😑
Isn't the UK pretty locked down ATM...? How realistic is it that people are going to be able to go out and get a physical copy in every part of the country?
I mean, I think it's pretty simple really. No one knows what Pikmin is. Pikmin is a brand that only the real Nintendo faithful are aware of. The Wii U was bought ONLY by those same diehard Nintendo fans, and they were starving for first-party titles, so a proportionally large number of Wii U owners were down for a Pikmin sequel. That does not translate into mainstream sales.
Four years later, we're in a whole different situation. The Switch has been bought by millions of casual fans, and is well supplied with every kind of game from experimental little indies to the biggest names in the Nintendo roster, along with various other franchises that Joe Public knows by name. It's insanity to expect that all tbose people are going to rush out to put $60 down for a third-tier hybrid strategy title that last made the news as a launch title on the Gamecube.
@sixrings Apples and oranges comparison. The Switch never promised BC in any form, and any hardware gains you’re referencing are due to the PC-like nature of both PS and XBOX consoles at this point and the super expensive SSDs the consoles use.
Any expectations you had for graphics/frame rate being markedly different on Switch than Wii U ignored the information that was readily available.
That's because you rebirthed the same game without a resolution bump and a quick google search will show you it's not our favourite pikmin.
Should "remastered" Pikmin 2. But who am I kidding. It's Nintendon't.
@Res462 "Any expectations you had for graphics/frame rate being markedly different on Switch than Wii U ignored the information that was readily available." new super mario u deluxe, dktf deluxe, mario kart 8 deluxe, pokken tournament dx, hyrule warriors Definitive edition, all had increased resolutions when ported to the switch. Good work defending nintendo though.
Looks like we're not getting a Pikmin 4. Thanks everyone. There's a lot of new content in Pikmin 3 Deluxe, but nope. Let's not buy it at all. Good job.
I love how everyone is looking at one week of incomplete data and making their statement on how Nintendo should be run.
I will agree that it would have been nice if it had been cheaper. But a big reason for these ports is that the install base of the Wii U was so small that new players may want to pick these up. It just may take time, given how many solid Switch offerings are available presently.
Also, the global physical sales for Pikmin 3 weren't exactly stellar. It MAY have sold 1 million (the most I could find was 1.27 million).
The release window for this game, much like the physical release of Cadence of Hyrule, is in such a terrible spot.
It's sandwiched between the Super Mario 35th Anniversary and The Legend of Zelda 35th Anniversary (ironically, CoH is a Zelda spin-off, but Age of Calamity's release date killed it pretty easily).
All the Pikmin games sales have been lukewarm. The fact Nintendo didn't give up before now shows their commitment to it. Wouldn't blame them for letting it go now.
It doesn't help releasing Hyrule Warriors only a few weeks later and the fact it's dropped just before people splash out on £400 new consoles. It might have claimed a spot in the top 10 charts, but on a console with 10x the audience of Wii U it should've been more. The few hundred thousand that bought the original on Wii U weren't the audience they were trying to capture. I hope this doesn't affect Pikmin 4's chances.
Maybe they should've released 1&2 first, or maybe even made it a trilogy, which would be well worth the $60 they were asking for a single port.
Good. Though I wonder what it'll take for Nintendo to start making games again. They seem to be allergic to making things.
@sixrings While I have bought Wii U ports on the Switch, I didn’t buy the Switch for Wii U ports, and when I did, it wasn’t because I thought they would be drastically better versions of themselves. My comment has nothing to do with defending Nintendo and the job they’ve done porting Wii U software to the Switch, even if that’s what you’d like to retcon it into.
Most of what you’re talking about have been modest improvements of games, and that’s fine, but it’s also not what you were talking about happening for BC on the other systems.
More a price thing for me, never played pikimin and not looking to buy many games atm
@Laxeybobby
I agree, I own a switch because I grew up with Nintendo but I’m now old (lol.) I play it on my own but also get my nephew and niece involved regularly, they are always pushing me to get a new game.There has been a good stream of games that I have purchased and spent a bloody fortune on! We played Pikmin 3 demo (never played it) and we all loved it. However I have spent way to much on Mario all stars and ring fit, Mario bro’s etc to justify another purchase at this time. The game is great, but I’ll wait till we have completed the other games before purchasing .
I've never played Pikmin and highly doubt I even will. So. It is what it is I suppose.
@Res462 the bc xbox does is free. If nintendo is going to port games at full price then it should at least do those modest improvements you suggest that resolution bumps are. The competition ports games like halo mcc, or last of us remaster, or God of war trilogy at the same price. If nintendo wants to have the good will of its audience it would at least treat them with some sort of respect versus this half hearted doing enough to get the money attitude.
I've always been on the fence with never playing the original games but the full price puts me off the port.
Maybe in the future but got plenty to play and must finish Paper Mario first 👍😁
The bigger concern now is if Pikmin joins F-Zero in the pile of abandoned Nintendo franchises.
@Dang69
I'm talking about Ultra Spicy, the mode that linits your pikmin count and halves the juice harvest among other things. Completely separate from anything the original offered.
Marketing was rough and most people who owned the original already and considered buying decided it wasn't worth it.
My god, so many ultra garbage comments here, as always. Imagine seeing just the UK market and thinking that this means the same for the ENTIRE WORLD. Not only this but people forget that we're in a ***** pandemic and most of the sales are going to be digital.
My god, at least ***** wait until Nintendo gives the numbers on their financials before saying ***** like this.
I find funny how everybody is giving excuses.
Did you people REALLY expected it to be a hit?!
Pikmin has never been a successful game series. It was only pushed because miyamoto wanted it to be the next Mario (HAH!). Mainstream don't know and don't care about Pikmin. LIke Metroid, this is for very niche Nintendo fans.
digital during COVID seems like it would be very successful.
But its too expensive. I'd buy it for $40. For $60 though? Nintendo can keep their ports
@sixrings And there is no BC on Switch, which was clear from day one.
TLoU remastered was full price when released seven years ago. It’s not an impressive port when compared to any first party title this generation. MCC was rushed out and took a year or two to get everything fixed.
You keep going to a different argument. I never said anything about what is or isn’t a good value.
Everyone saving for the PS5 this month ... or XBox
I was going to pick this up on day one. But then I spent my money on better stuff, like pre-ordering the European physical releases of FF7 and 8 on Switch and FF8 on PS4, also forgot Trails IV was coming out so got that too.
The thing is, it's getting close to christmas. Grown ups with cash to throw at video games (such as myself) are reigning it in to be able purchase gifts for others. Others who are hoping to have a specific game for christmas arn't going to have it purchased for them on release 2 months before it's given.
I have both releases, for WiiU with all possible addons and now Switch version too but ... Pikmin 2 still leads in my personal chart of all Pikmin games
@JohnnyC agreed. I’ll get it down the line. But a rush to buy a rereleased 60 dollar title with a few improvements isn’t a day one for me.
@Tarolusa This article seems to have left you with the wrong impression. First of all, when Pikmin 3 launched on the Wii U, it wasn't available digitally. The sales it had were all physical. Being down 18% in a world where 50-75% of game sales are digital means that it almost IRREFUTABLY outsold the Wii U release by a SUBSTANTIAL margin. Also, the sales in the UK in general aren't a strong indicator of performance overall.
Even if all it ended up doing was MATCHING the sales of the original, it sold 1.27 million. Anything that sells over a million, Nintendo sees as a successful. Particularly when it's an enhanced port that costs mere pennies on the dollar to create compared to a new title, making it nearly pure profit. This will end up being highly lucrative.
That and the Wii U's downward success trajectory caused many games to die off much faster than Nintendo titles usually do, as gamers left the system in droves. It wouldn't be surprising if in a couple of years, Pikmin 3 Deluxe is sitting at 2.5 million, which would be enough to get it in the top 25 best selling games on the system. Xenoblade 2 was a costly endeavor and that sold 1.73 million as a new title. That was enough for Nintendo to greenlight three more games in the franchise (Xenoblade DE, Xenoblade 3 and TBA) so I wouldn't write off Pikmin just yet.
Also, the biggest game sales of the year happen at the end of this month and in early December. Many people don't buy at the end of October, expecting sales and deals right around the corner. I think we'll see some pleasant good numbers (though certainly not astounding numbers) from Pikmin 3 at the end of the next financial quarter when Nintendo publishes their earnings.
To be honest it was lazy to release a port of Pikmin 3 at this late stage of the Switch's cycle. It's filler material. Lovely wee game and I already own it but would have taken the plunge for a pikmin 4.
I think launching this game with not much advertising, while the advertising it did get was side by side with a "BotW prequel" (despite being a different genre from a different developer) a month later didn't align the stars for it. Port fatigue has set in, and WiiU owners have mixed feelings that it was a great game, but too short....and spending $120 to play the same short game again isn't as appealing. Launch day sales were going to be weak.
But lets see how it does over the holiday as a mass market pickup game, and over long tail sales. It isn't an early adopter type game for the larger market but could rack up "evergreen" sales over the duration.
Still, I kind of don't want these $60 ports to keep succeeding.
Well, @rjejr , there goes Pikmin 4......
This game probably would have sold like crazy if Nintendo just did this one thing.... Bring back the Nintendo selects for these older titles. Pikmin 3 isn't a new game and while I have purchased treasure tracker, tropical freeze, and new Mario Bros deluxe, those are from franchises I've always known to be good. I only played Pikmin when I rented it for the GC, and while I enjoyed my time with it back then I'm not willing to drop full price to try now and end up not liking it at all.
Honestly I think people are just taking their time to pick it up. I definitely want to get it as I didn't play the Wii U version, but I've spent a fair bit on new games this year and I'm holding off for some Black Friday deals.
@NEStalgia
Pikmin 4, will still happen. Waiting on the Switch DS so we can play on the top screen, map on the bottom, the way Pikmin should be.
This data is incomplete without digital sales, which are higher than ever on Switch. Sales expectations are also something to consider; a port of a Pikmin game is not gonna have huge expectations. Pikmin has never been that big of aseries, as good as the games are.
I think if Nintendo Switch really wanted Pikman they should put all of them on the system. Pikman 3 Deluxe is a pretty interesting game.
Sales low.. WHY ? Because this isnt what we wanted.. WE WANT PIKMIN 4 !
Hmm I can buy Pikmin 3 or three classic Mario games for the same price, guess what millions of consumers are gonna do? It's a no brainer, NS games are expensive, as many above have stated they should have released the trilogy and watched the cash roll in!
Most people who like pikmin owned a wii u at the time.
2 thoughts:
I want it but I have already played the Wii U version and this port seems to add very little to the original. Paying full price for it makes little sense in my case. I will wait until a price drop or until I have nothing else to play.
@andyg1412 good luck with that, currently pikmin 3 on Wii u is selling for £60++ online it's actually more worth it to get the switch version especially when it includes all the dlc too
It was a no brainer for me.
I bought it with one of my digital vouchers. I absolutely love this game.
@ecco6t9 F-Zero hasn't been abandoned. Apparently a few years ago a new game was pitched to Nintendo by Criterion but unfortunately not put in development. This was reported on this very site.
@BenAV i see so you wait Pikmin 4 to have a longer campaign, please watch this video made by Arlo(a big Pikmin fan) and tell me if some of the things he want to Pikmin 4 also align to what you want for Pikmin 4.
https://youtu.be/E-nRG3IWxA0
Whelp, guess having a Pikmin 4 chance has been reduced...
Yes the high price tag is going to keep people away, I bought this on WiiU at launch . it actually arrived the morning i was going to Hyper Japan in London , Nintendo had a big stand there and it's theme was Pikmin 3 ' I actually played it first at Hyper Japan at their demo booth , returning home later to unwrap my new sealed copy.
Of note i only paid £29.99 for the game from now defunct online retailer Grainger games.
$60, No trilogy, 720p/30 fps i.e. literally no visual improvement from wii u, lack of motion support and gyroscopic features for things like aiming and the camera.
Yet they will blame the IP for poor sales.
@Res462 ok how about Need for speed remaster ported to switch at a higher resolution and a lower price point including dlc. That is my argument.... that other companies are porting or remastering games for the same price as this pikman game and it should reflect the same graphics enhancements and or price reductions that other games are coming with. As for BC that is an included feature in the xbox eco system... IT is free and yes Nintendo didnt ever suggest that my wii u games would magically be backwards compatible but it nintendo would be wise to at least attempt to put some effort into their offerings if they expect me to pay for them.
I cant wait to see the lovely score Need for Speed gets.
@sixrings Why do you still expect posters in here to answer Nintendo's questions? That's like me asking you why my electricity bills keep going up and down...
Also watch this: Fix your framerates and resolution Nintendo!!!!! Let's see how quickly they get back to me.
Edit: Eighting ported Pikmin, feel free to ask them questions here: https://www.8ing.co.jp/company/office/ [email protected]
@WiltonRoots I don't expect them to answer for nintendo but I am confused why they are defending nintendo. Any way you cut it whether bc from xbox or from ports/remasters on Xbox and playstation, these nintendo ports are a rip off.
@sixrings It might be because they don't see it as a big deal. Canadian prices are pretty brutal to be fair. I was there in January and I wasn't too keen on the way they tell you about the tip before you get the bill in restaurants and bars.
I'll just play Lemmings. Since that's all this game is. Every single concept. Lol. Also it was boring af and the controls were bad.
Goddamnit Nintendo. This is a port. Make it $30 so everyone buys it, especially all the double dippers
@Superfinboy this is nothing like lemmings my man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tim5nU3DwIE
Wasn't this just 2 days on the market when this chart released?
I have it on Wii U, but I would be over it now if this was a new game for me.
@BenAV While I agree with the fact it should've been a trilogy, I gotta disagree with everything else.
What makes it the worst game in the series? It has the best graphics, a time limit that you as the player have to keep raising, refined mechanics, awesome bosses, new and more interesting characters, new and more interesting enemies, etc.
The only complaint I have is a lack of caves from Pikmin 2, and that it's on the Wii U, and Deluxe fixes that.
Also, about it being a lazy port. Quality of life improvements to the gameplay (Such as the charging feature), slightly better and more optimised graphics, all the DLC from Pikmin 3, 2 new mini campaigns, achievements, Piklopedia, and 3 difficulty settings.
It's a great game made much greater from these changes/additions. If ya want an example of a lazy port, look at 3D All-Stars. DKCR: TF. NSMB U Deluxe. Captain Toad. Dr Luigi. The list goes on, and on, and on.
@Matrixkid I just felt like Pikmin 3 was a little lacking in new ideas and overall scope. If it was the first game in the series it would have been fine but if anything it felt like a backwards step from Pikmin 2 for me. I got to the credits and was just like wait what? Was shocked that it ended so soon. The time limit also feels completely arbitrary as there's so much fruit that it's not even a factor at all. I think the first game was much better in that regard. It wasn't a bad game per se but I had hoped for so much more.
On the port thing, you're right about all of those also being pretty lazy. They're generally only worth buying if you've never played them before. 3D All-Stars in particular was a big disappointment compared to what it could have and should have been.
@Doctor_Pancakes dude, it comes with all the dlc from the first game, harder difficluty's, and side stories and more. its worth it
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