Nintendo Is Getting Sued Yet Again Over Switch Joy-Con Drift

That image of those joycons in the cup is proper eye candy

They're probably not fixing it because of these lawsuits, Lol.
It would be used as a proof of guilt, meaning they'd have to pay out millions.

Joy Cons will keep drifting if you play Eurobeat music. 😂

Just kidding.
Anyway, Nintendo should make better Joy Cons component if Switch 2 / Pro do exist.

Given the sticks I’ve bought off Amazon have eventually drifted I can only assume Nintendo use the same supplier and have a huge warehouse full of them they need to get rid of.

So they should, It's not fair on everyone who has to keep replacing joy cons or continue to keep sending their switch in for repairs because of the drift. Nintendo has known about this for ages and has done nothing about it.

@jimtendog Perfect description!

Nintendo should be dragged over the coals for this one.

Personally haven't had the issue (plus I mainly use my Hori Split Pad Pro) but it clearly is an issue still 3 and a half years in.

I wish they would just fix the problem on manufacturing side and be done with it, surely it would be a more cost effective solution than to be repairing so many for free and constantly getting sued over it?

I'm a Nintendo fanboy like a lot of folks. But they need to be held accountable for this. Their air of indifference to it has been insulting and disappointing

There's still a leap of logic between "your product isn't very good" and "I get to sue you". If you don't want to deal with a bad product, don't buy it. Things break and wear out over time. There is no singular "right" amount of time that should be.

Good, the idea behind the Joy-Cons is great but Joy-Con drift and connection issues make the whole think aweful

@FantasiaWHT Except the part where they tell you it is a good product when you first buy it, only to find out that you've been lied to.

Something tells me that if you bought a TV or a computer or whatever and it breaks well within the warranty every... Single... Time despite the seller promising you that each one is great and that they've addressed the issue... You'd be upset to.

Especially if they were your only real option.

Given what they charge for joycons, even at a ~50% drift rate it's probably profitable to pay for shipping both ways to replace them, especially when they can replace/repair as many as 4 at once, like they did for me.

I gotta say ever since I changed my JoyCon sticks myself for third party ones, knock on wood but they've been drift free.

Good. Serves them right.

@Dezzy here in the US you can send the joycon to them, they'll repair it for you and they'll send it back to you; all.of this at no cost. At least here they preferred avoiding future lawsuits. I wish it were like this all over the world. Some countries don't even have Nintendo offices.

My left Joy Con were fixed for free, and now the right one is randomly drifting.

@UmbreonsPapa I agree. The Switch Lite was the chance to make this better, and they passed it up. Even recent joycon color variations... This has just no justification to it.

Good, I hope every country sues like France.

@Kalmaro "Good product" is not any kind of objective measurement, much less an enforceable promise. Calling that a "lie" is just silly. Also claiming every single joycon breaks (much less within the warranty period) is also just demonstrably false.

And I'm speaking as somebody who's sent in a joycon for repair.

Had my Switch for three years, the drift came along earlier this year and it is as irritating as advertised. I expect Nintendo will release a new Switch in near future that will address this problem, which is why I refuse to replace the joycons until I know for sure what their solution will be. I even told a gaming friend to buy the switch lite or wait until a new/improved switch comes out.

I can’t swim straight in Splatoon. I’m on my third pair because of drift. I will Never give Nintendo money again for their current stock of joycon. Bad product that I won’t hesitate discontinuing to use. Let the switch collect dust until there’s a reliable replacement

They fixed all four of mine for drift and shoulder buttons not working. But i think one of my red ones is going again, which means the "fix" only works for about 6 months

I've had two sets of Joycons and both have problems with drift. I don't like how Nintendo have only provided the free replacements in some countries. For example it doesn't apply in the UK so i'm out of luck. It also is pretty bad that they have made absolutely no effort to fix it. Contrast that with Microsoft and the Red Ring of Death (ok, so that's a bit more serious!) They acknowledged the problem and took the hit to fix it and ended up selling as many consoles as the PS3. Doesn't look like it's affecting Switch sales so Nintendo is just ignoring it

@FantasiaWHT Yes products can wear out over time but joy cons wear out much easier than other controllers not only today but compared to Nintendo’s past controllers. Hard not to buy joy cons when it’s a main method of how you play Switch games. As comments say, some have had 3 pairs and all of them are drifting. These products are faulty and need to be fixed.

Every time one of these is posted I chime in with the same story:

I manage five, yes F I V E, Switches. About 20 joy-cons between them. All, yes A L L, have been sent back numerous times over the last three years. I've had four rounds of replacements in 2020 alone (not all were duplicates, but some were). This is a huge problem, but I'm guessing there is not a way to correct the problem without redesigning the controller or it would have already been corrected. I have 2017 remotes, the AC Switch remotes, Switch 2.0 remotes (the one with the better battery), and all have the same fate. All of the people who play are younger and all play Zelda. That is a game where drift shows how bad it makes gameplay. When Link starts walking through Hyrule when you are trying to be stealthy or setup for the perfect shot, it drives the player crazy. I can't tell you how many times I have went to someones house that has a Switch and they are actively playing with drift. Fortnite characters running sideways... How annoying. (I probably can tell you how many times... probably 5-10. lol)

Normally many European Countries have Warranty Laws to support Customers in such cases.
Germany 2 years
3 Years in Sveden
And it seems like even 5 Years in Schottland and 6 in the Rest of the UK

I hate to say it, but good. Personally both my sets of Joy-Con drift ridiculously to the point where its practically unplayable. I hope they upgrade the controllers to be much more durable. Sure, all controllers can drift but the lack of care and quality usually seen in Nintendo Products is clear here.

Cue to rabid fanboys to jump at Nintendos defence.

@FantasiaWHT So you're telling me that if someone sells you something they say works fine, and it does not, that is not lying?

I mean, you're welcome to believe that, you're going to have a hard time defending that opinion though.

@TheFullAndy i'm thinking of getting one, how is it?

how many times is Nintendo gonna get sued over joy con drift until they actually fix it?

The crazy part isn't that Nintendo is getting sued, it's that after all of these years they haven't' changed the manufacturing process to keep it from happening. It's not like sticks on a controller are a new thing they invented, PS1 had them in 1997.

To be fair and honest I've had drift, and worse, on plenty of cheap knock-off 3rd party controllers for almost all of my consoles - you'd think I'd learn but I never do - but Nintendo should really be making controllers that don't drift for at least a few years. If nobody had drift for 5 years there would be a whole lot less people talking about it after the next new console launched. 6 months is unacceptable. And they know it.

And they fix it for free, which PROVES they know it, but they still don't change it. They should be sued for not changing things while they fix them for free. Just announce new ones, done.

@JoeyTS I agree, they are bad products. But there's still a disconnect between "this product is bad" and "I get to sue for it". Unless Nintendo specifically promised something they're not delivering on, you don't get to sue just because it's not as good as you want it to be.

I've recently sent in my left joy con to Nintendo (awful drift!!!). According to the tracking they got it last Thursday (17th). The status still says they're waiting for it. I don't want to be THAT customer and start flooding them with calls. There's a lot of COVID warnings about delays in repairs etc. so I'm sure that plays a part.

My right one is slowly starting to get the drift. I'll be sending that one soon. Before I sent the first one (had to wait till they opened the repair centers) I already bought replacements. Sucks to spend so much on something that's such a huge part of the system to be so unreliable. Would have rather put that $ towards another game (or many if they're on sale/indies).

Good. Joycon I sent in to get fixed started drifting again after not even 4 full months. $80 USD controllers that can't even last 4 months.

@Kalmaro I don't think you get the law. Nintendo says "this product works fine. If it doesn't, we'll fix it." And guess what. They're fixing joycons when they break - in fact, they are going above and beyond and fixing them for longer than they've promised to do so in their warranty.

@FantasiaWHT "I agree, they are bad products. But there's still a disconnect between "this product is bad" and "I get to sue for it"." That's what a class action lawsuit is specifically for though.

@FantasiaWHT Yes but then the "fixed" Joycon drift again after 4 months of use. Literally experienced this.

By comparison, some cars aren't very reliable. They break down more frequently than other cars. You don't get to sue those car manufacturers unless they fail to abide by the promises they actually made (their warranty periods). Same thing here. Nintendo's joycons aren't very reliable. But they are abiding by their promise to fix them if they go bad.

@Dang69 You can't just say "This product sucks, so I get to sue." What ILLEGAL action did Nintendo actually take that violated the law?

It's not illegal to sell a product that isn't very good. You need to be able to point to a specific promise they made or a fraudulent statement they made. And "our product is great" is neither of those things.

@Dang69 Show me the guarantee that it won't wear out again. Everything wears out over time.

@NikHogan

I love it, cramp is a thing of the past and it has a proper dpad. Buttons and sticks are much larger and easier to use. The assignable back bumper buttons (one for each joycon) are a bonus as well and there is turbo functionality if that is your thing. Works a dream for all 2D games especially fighting games.

Just be aware of the limitations, the joycons only work in handheld mode, no gyro or rumble of any kind and you cannot re-assign buttons via the Switch as it is a third party contoller.

For me the above isn't a big issue as I play gyro heavy games docked with the pro controller.

I’m using my third pair of joy-con right now because of this problem. It is extremely annoying and expensive. In my case the left one is always affected the most. It is funny but using the eshop with a drifting joycon is a total nightmare.

@FantasiaWHT What? Show you guarentee? You want me to upload you a personal video? lol. LITERALLY had joycon drift after getting fixed 4 MONTHS later. This happened in April during Nintendo's repair center shutdown to boot. Why defend such a crappy, consumer hostile, dirty thing Nintendo is doing with the cheap parts they are using? This isn't the launch year, where we give a company a bit of extra understanding. People like you ruin the bar of quality for EVERYONE.

@FantasiaWHT I never had this problem with my 3ds nor with the wii.

@Dang69 same. It starts to drift 4 months after the purchase.

@FantasiaWHT There are consumer protection laws, FTC enforced laws in the US for products being sold not to last. When it happens across a wide consumer base you got the basis for a class action lawsuit.

I think Nintendo backed themselves into a corner here. Without having much actual knowledge about the market, there seem to be very few companies actually making the sticks for gamepads. You can buy PS4 replacement sticks and put them in a Xbox One or Switch Pro Controller, because everybody is using the same parts.

With the smaller form factor of the Joycons Nintendo probably has even less choices for suppliers. If their supplier can't solve the drift issue, the only option they have is to make bigger Joycons that use the regular sticks.

JoyCon what????? I hate todays society... A bunch of hipster lefty bike riding basement dwellers looking for a pay day from a hard working company that treats them with the highest respect.

@FantasiaWHT

I don't know why you're defending them. They are knowingly providing a faulty product and making no effort to fix the problem. Some countries don't even get the free replacements, they want to charge you to replace something that will then go faulty again almost immediately because the replacement is also a faulty product

@Dang69 Um, not your guarantee, read what I wrote. Show me Nintendo's guarantee and how they are failing. They are promising the quality of their product or they'll repair it. And they're repairing it.

@Dang69 That's true, but consumer protection laws still require evidence of some guarantee, promise, warranty, etc. that's not being met. There is no consumer protection law that just lets you sue if a product isn't as good as you wished it was.

Suggestion for everybody - stop pretending to be a law expert if you're not a real lawyer (which I am).

@FantasiaWHT love yourself a little more.
Companies should respect their users.

@Friscobay And my Hyundai experienced problems that my Ford didn't. That doesn't mean I get to sue Hyundai.

@Zequio I'm not sure what you're getting at. Have I said I think Nintendo is doing a great job? Have I said Nintendo shouldn't improve their joycons? Have I said Nintendo is treating its consumers well?

@FantasiaWHT its can be illegal when there is a probability of planned obsolescence of their products/accessories.

If Nintendo had fixed the problem I'd have been happy to buy a new set of Joy-Cons, we all know early designs can have unexpected design flaws and as a big Nintendo fan I'd have been willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if they'd acted to rectify the design.

Instead they've stayed quiet and just parrot the usual "if you're having problems please contact Nintendo support" whenever they're asked. I expect better from Nintendo.

@Magonigal I'm not defending them. Literally never once have I defended them. Explaining what users can and can't sue for is not defending what Nintendo is doing. Again, "I don't like what they're doing" is not grounds for a legal claim.

@jimtendog well if your spraying contact cleaner on your controller your adding to the problem. As far as the issue nintendo has offered free repairs so therefore they have addressed the issue and as far as anyone knows they may have changed materials they used in new production.

@FantasiaWHT wow we got alot of wannabe Lawyers here. As state by yourself they can't point the Clause that state it but attack personally. That tells alot of one's character. The Auto analogy is a good one. What one thinks as -Planned obsolescence is more or less wear and tear or user Abused. There is nothing illegal about so-called planned obsolescence unless you can show it by documentation of it. And I know most can't and will just rant and rant without nothing to show for it.

@FantasiaWHT Not just one person, millions of players are experiencing this issue with multiple pairs of their joycons! Gamers have the expectation that their BRAND NEW controllers should last them at least the lifespan of the console itself. The fact these these joycons are breaking MONTHS later makes it unacceptable. Like if I went to the hospital for a bad illness and they said they'd fix me up for free. Then 4 months later, I get the same illness and they fix me up for free again using the same method as last time, and the cycle continues. Then I sue for malpractice. The company sueing them gathered over 5000 testimonies in just 2 days announcing that 65% of those cases showed malfunction in the first two years and 25% showed drift in the first SIX MONTHS!

@Zequio While that can be true (not in America), that's really not what they're doing here. The point of a planned obsolescence is to artificially limit the useful period of a product so that a person has to buy either a replacement or the next greatest thing. That's not happening here - Nintendo is repairing or replacing every drifting joycon brought to their attention, so they're LOSING money because of this. They're not trying to herd people into buying the next upgraded model because the joycon's useful life has expired.

@Zequio Nintendo addresses the issue. They offer free repairs and noone knows if they changed materials or not for new productions of joy cons either. They do not have to present any changes to the public at all of any foxes they have done. Any lawsuit will fail from the simple fact of the free repairs offered

@JoeyTS How many people are experiencing the problem has literally nothing to do with whether Nintendo has done something illegal.

@JoeyTS And where are the documentation stating whom they are and how the fixes or lack of fixes was done? If your going to defend those then you need to backup those claims not having he/she said vs he/she in-return. As I stated before unless you document those problems for you - you have nothing but words only.

@FantasiaWHT The are only repairing it because of the lawsuit. So I had 2 sets of joycon that drifted, last year. I called Nintendo 3 weeks before the lawsuit was doing the rounds to get a repair set up. They wanted to charge me 40 or 45 dollars a piece to repair them, "nothing we can do." After the lawsuit they I called again and they offered to fix them for free. One set I had owned for a year, the other set I had owned for 6 months. Took them 5 weeks to get them back to me. Flashforward to January, I give my old Switch to my girlfriend's kid with the Splatoon 2 joycon (I bought myself a new Switch with the better battery in it). I have not touched the Splatoon 2 joycon since they got fixed, literally because I knew I would be doing this in December. My other set of joycon I have barely used in handheld mode, only using it for Tetris. In April of this year after 4 months the joycon started drifting. That kid and her mom are 1000x cleaner and more gentle and careful than I am in general. She only plays a couple hours a day for (barely) 4 months and they start drifting. At the time COVID shutdown the repair centers, and they are relatively poor I drop $80 on new joycon to send them in April. Not every family or individual has a well to do boyfriend to send them new joycon when their crap drifts. I'd play Animal Crossing with them online and watch their character not be able to stand in place. IF this was a rare occurrence across the consumer base, sure your argument would hold water. But when it is happening regularly to 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of people you have the case for a class action FTC backed lawsuit. As for my other joycon I own, I don't touch the thing in handheld mode anymore. I use the dpad for Tetris in a Joycon grip (which doesnt really use the stick at all) and that's it.

@RudyC3 what brands did you buy?

@Dang69 Anecdote =/= data

I wish I could sue Nintendo for the fact that they never seem to learn their lessons when it comes to fan celebrations and limited time offerings. Those stupid Super Mario pins, I really wanted them. But of course it's COVID and my game was delayed by the courier (even though I pre-ordered the first day you could). And then it took almost 48 hours for the website to register the game card and give me access to try to get the pins but of course by then it was too late. Nintendo is run by such incompetent people, it's amazing they're still in business. They always underestimate demand for these kinds of things & only ever make maybe 5 for an entire country. Through no fault of my own, I missed out. If Nintendo were any other company, they'd have long-since been put out of business.

@Dirty0814 They do not have to present any changes to the public at all of any foxes they have done. Any lawsuit will fail from the simple fact of the free repairs offered.
I think they forgot this part the fact they repair or fix or replace the Joy-Con will influence the Judge to ask if they are fixing then why are you suing? Was this based solely on reeving monetary money when repairs were being done. I think it's the latter is more to the truth of the case. If repairs are being done I doubt the suit can go forward as the problem was being address-if it wasn't then it would be different story.

@ComposedJam Show me what law Nintendo broke. Selling a not-very-good product isn't illegal.

@FantasiaWHT It absolutely does. Nintendo fixing them for free due to how many people are experiencing the issue illustrates the point. They fix it for free because they know it's a faulty product that a lot of people are experiencing issues with. Like I mentioned when I go to the hospital for an illness and they cure me for free but only temporarily to where I have to go back the to same hospital for the same illness only to receive the same temporary treatment. You sue because nothing is actually being done or addressed to actually fix their faulty product. It's one thing to say I'll sue because I don't like joycons. But it's another thing to say I'll sue because this is a defective product that was advertised as perfectly fine to millions of gamers.

This suit argues a great point.

As far as we know, buying the new switch hardware next year & pro-cons will still be susceptible to drift. Who want's to shell out for new hardware like this?

@DarthFoxMcCloud A definite Troll in NintenDoomed fandom outfit.

@JoeyTS They fix it for free because they know it's a faulty product that a lot of people are experiencing issues with.
Think of the auto analogy if that was true why aren't you seeing them for your car breaking down because you didn't change oil or do routine maintenance. Do you think that is fair - I doubt the Auto Lawyers would see it that way.

@noobish_hat If you think Nintendo has not profited overall from this issue, I think that's kind of naive.
That would the be the kinda naive statement one would expect someone whom doesn't have any Financial or Law degree to say when they have nothing to document. Profit has nothing to do with the Joy-con issue. That is comparing Apples to Oranges.

On to my 3rd set... I wouldn't mind so much because most things with moving parts wear out eventually, but they're quite expensive and they don't last long enough for their price.

@SwitchForce https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2020/09/22/l-ufc-que-choisir-porte-plainte-contre-nintendo-pour-obsolescence-programmee_6053111_4408996.html

Here is the source. It's in French so it may need translation. I'm not saying just words, I have the evidence that people clearly are having issues!

@WoomyNNYes This suit argues a great point.

As far as we know, buying Switch consoles & pro-cons this next summer will be susceptible to drift.

That would be good but no one has proven to shown documentation other then Anecdote =/= data problems like how FantasiaWHT mentioned.

@SwitchForce To respond to your point, they don't fix the car for free unless it's under warranty or if it's in the case of an oil change or routine check in which case is something that is on me to do and not the manufacturer. It's not a widespread issue and is usually in the fault of the consumer or is what is expected when using a car. Joycons are being fixed even when they aren't under warranty for free if they are experiencing drift because it's a widespread issue that is affecting many gamers and is related to an issue that should almost never be on the consumer to have to address.

@JoeyTS here's a few problem the courts would have with the news story..
translated google..
If the CEO of Nintendo France has since set up an after-sales service allowing these controllers to be repaired free of charge, the UFC has not given up.
If true the suit will stop any repairs and the losers wouldn't be Nintendo here.
The thousands of testimonials
And this doesn't equate to documented problems on paper that can be traced back to one single problem. Again Anecdote =/= data as mentioned.

@SwitchForce You're right, we don't know what failure rate is. I admit, having to replace two procons at $60 a piece has definitely influence my perspective. (replaced due to drift) It's not a large scientific sample, but it's a problem I've never had with other console's controllers. And with both procons, it was drift, not some other problem.

@noobish_hat here we go again when told why it won't work goes Attacking other poster Maybe turn that back to yourself when you make Discriminating remarks like that and looks like you need Diversity and Inclusion training.

@FantasiaWHT "How many people are experiencing the problem has literally nothing to do with whether Nintendo has done something illegal." If a company is selling a product with parts that break after 4 months and only give you a 3 month warrantee on the product, you absolutely have a case for it. Especially since...well there's no way you're a lawyer. All of this is way more complex than you state. "Lemon Laws" exist, "Implied Warranties" exist, you could even get crazier with it too. Obviously all of this is effected by the state the case is made in. I'm not a lawyer, but I do know there are implications to mass producing $80 products (I think the law changes after 10 bucks or so) that can break one month after warranty potentially violations FTC laws. ALSO very important to once again keep in mind Nintendo tried charging $40+ to fix these defective joycon UNTIL the lawsuit was filed last year. And unlike you I keep seeing "they have a CASE for this." It's up to courts to decide, I'm not a lawyer, but there is ABSOLUTELY enough here for a CASE.

@SwitchForce As quoted from the article:
"...the UFC-Que Choisir commissioned an investigation into several defective controllers, more or less recent, in order to analyze the origin of this failure."

" Indeed, in all the samples analysed, the experts are unanimous. Two causes are (more than likely) the cause of the outage:

-Premature wear and tear on the circuit boards
-a waterproofing defect that causes a disturbing amount of debris and dust within the joystick, the origin of which appears to be both internal and external."

@Dang69 Do you even know what Lemon Laws States. I doubt you do that is extensive documentation and so far I see nothing doing that other then Anecdote =/= data that doesn't work in court of law. People love to feel entitled to sue for anything but fail to notice they haven't done anything illegal if so what law did they break? Your hardware has a 1 yr Warranty but then again did you read the Fine Print what it covers?

@FantasiaWHT Who said anything about the law? You're attacking a strawman. I never mentioned anything about the law.

@JoeyTS Whom are the experts? If they can do the test we should know whom they are to say? When they don't list the experts that is suspect anyone can be paid to be a expert.

@Kalmaro I myself suspect he/she is pointing out the flaws of why it will not work. To prove something illegal as other like to mention without documentation is where it will fall apart. And in-turn will impact legit users whom are shown to have defects and will find they can no longer get repairs but must buy replacements instead. Are you and other willing to pay those whom are affected to get new Joy-Cons. Others should open a go-fund me to pay those whom can't get it fixed if this fails.

@SwitchForce https://www.quechoisir.org/observatoire-des-pannes-n71927/
The company running the website literally specializes in testing and analyzing breakdowns in products.

@SwitchForce The joycon that come with the Switch unit itself is under the 12 month warranty, not the individually purchased joycon, those are under a 3 month warranty. The 2 sets I was referring to were individually purchased. I traded back in my grey joycon from my intial Switch purchase within a couple months of buying the hardware so I could get ones with color as they were never in stock in a bundle at the time I bought it.

@SwitchForce And yes I know about Lemon Laws. They don't JUST refer to vehicles if that's what you are getting at. There is definitely an appliance Lemon Law.

@JoeyTS I am talking about the documentation for their testing but they don't post that and how they went about it. If they really are showing problem why not post the results and how they did it? If they are transparent about the issue then showing the rest of us would be no problem doing so. That way Nintendo has to address the problem when everyone can see how it was tested to show the problem.

@SwitchForce The documentation is that of the gathering of user testimonials. As quoted, "Our association has also launched a call for testimonials from users of the Switch console in order to be able to collect as much information as possible about the conditions under which these "ghost movements" appear."

https://www.quechoisir.org/nos-combats-switch-nintendo-l-ufc-que-choisir-denonce-l-obsolescence-programmee-des-manettes-joy-cons-n72823/

This source will give more information. Listen, My past comments have been that of evidence and quotes while yours is nothing but skepticism and means to defending your side. My side has evidence. Players have been testifying their issue with drift. UFC known for analyzing defective products gathered the data from these users and identified it to be almost always related to joy con drift issues.

You would think something like a controller would be built today without issues such as "drift". I have joy on drift and was asked to send my controllers in. Screw that. I'm not sending anything in. They need to just fix the problem. Sega always made good hardware, let them do it.

@Dirty0814 is known they haven't done corrections to their new hardware (lite or new switch)
Most people are not aware or cant acces the free repair. Many just opt to buy a new (faulty) joycon.

@FantasiaWHT In some countries they're fixing them. They're also continuing to sell a faulty product and charging some consumers to fix them, when they full well KNOW it's their fault. Yet they still sell and still charge. Is it too hard to understand this is not legal?

@FantasiaWHT There is a process for suing over defective products. Ergo there is no disconnect.
Unless you're the person who gets to decide what threshold it's appropriate to sue for?

@Dragwhite if that's how people store joycons, I see why they have drift😆😆😆

@sixrings Wow. The fact you call everyone here a lefty instantly shows your ignorance. The fact you say they're a hard working company and should be praised even when they do something wrong shows you're clearly a masochistic boot licker. They work hard to get money. You pay them your money. End of story.

Out of my three pair, I've been fortunate not to have this problem at all. The last set were purchased used and haven't bought ANY Joy-cons since 2018. Color selection hasn't changed at all, so there hasn't been any need.

For the ones experiencing it, I hope something can be fixed for them. I was playing Mario Kart 8 on someone else's Joy-con, he purposely gave it to me thinking he'd win too. Haha. He was wrong. He didn't win a single race.

Having seen the issue though, it's really annoying. Again, I hope whenever the Joy-cons get updated or redesigned, they find a better manufacturer.

@DarthFoxMcCloud it’s not illegal for them to make a limited number. If it were then Nike would get sued for making limited edition Jordans. So would Adidas for not making that many Yeezys. Both Nike and Adidas constantly make limited pairs and they’re making a lot of money.

After I got my Hori Split Pad Pro I do not care about the awful Joycons.

Nintendo has fixed them twice since launch 2017. For 2 different issues - This cant be cost effective.

Leave them in the closet for if I ever trade-in my Switch.

This is allegedly and according to the government research. That's assuming the government research can be trusted. The legal battle will shed light on the actual truth.
Also this is the same group who claimed the joycon was the mosy fragile product of the year back in 2019.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/12/switch_named_most_fragile_product_of_the_year_by_french_consumers_association

This consumer group just hate Nintendo, that's all there is to it. If the joycon was actually that fragile, other consumer organisations would start complaining this much. The ACCC in Australia would be the first to complain if the joycons were as fragile as the French consumer group claims.

This feels more like "we hate Nintendo" and less about the actual facts.

@FantasiaWHT I don’t care. As I said earlier I have already spent 210€ to replace the drifting joycons. Yet the problem persists with every single unit I got. 3 pairs, all drift 4 to 5 months after purchase.

Puttin money on it @FantasiaWHT is a right libertarian.

@SwitchForce it took them being involved in multiple lawsuits to start doing that and only in the US. You think the french law gives a woopty about what the company is doing in the us?

The person who says I must not be a lawyer thinks legality has nothing to do with whether Nintendo can be held liable in court. I rest my case.

Because I fully KO'ed mine before the lockdown began, now wanting to get another one before they end the limited release of the Super Mario 35th Anniversary Collection. I'm actually skeptical of waiting just a little while longer now. Should I just go ahead and buy the game instead till more Switches are made (Walmart is sold out)? But what if another lockdown hits and we are quarantined again?

I bet if the Switch is a failure like the Wii U and GameCube, people wouldn't care if it has issue. Both consoles had control drift issues too but most people didn't care cause Nintendo was failing at that point so no need to sue for anything. Now Switch is selling like hotcakes and people want to capitalize on that with the joycon drift issue being use to validate for their easy money grab. Also I think Nintendo is probably going to solve this joycon drift issue soon anyways as I believe the so called Switch Pro, Nintendo's rumor upgraded Switch model will probably just going to be a dock only system with pro controller support.

While I agree Nintendo should get some heat from the joycon drift, the reason que choisir is suing them is irrelevant, but this is to be expected from them. They often sue the right companies for the wrong reason because their business model is based on suing who has angered their clients at all cost

Now that I'm playing Sunshine, the drift is driving me crazy. Mario is making walking off platforms and dying very frequently.

@Retro_Player_77 Now Switch is selling like hotcakes and people want to capitalize on that with the joycon drift issue being use to validate for their easy money grab.
I think this will also be a rebuttal by Nintendo as well. And as I always mentioned they have to Document all fixes and repairs to make their case otherwise going forward they won't have any case against Nintendo. And also if they are fixing or Replacing the Joy-Con In-warranty and OutofWarranty - makes this look more like cash grab. To me if they are doing repairs or replacement and you still go the court route that makes the ownerus on the plaintiff not the Company since they were fixing it regardless. That's how a case can fall apart and they could come back saying we made good faith effort to fix and now you will be paying legal cost back.

I will not buy a switch until Nintendo fixes this. None of their previous controllers had issues this bad.

@SwitchForce You must have disregarded my last comment then or left it alone realizing I had grounds to my arguments. https://www.quechoisir.org/formulaire-appel-a-temoignages-nintendo-switch-et-joy-cons-n72507/
This was back in May of 2019 when they were gathering testimonials for another case even before this year's lawsuit. This shows how they would gather the data in the first place.

Here's a link that contains an official copy of the full complaint filed in 2019 after the launch of the Switch Lite that further explains the validity in filing a legal case against this issue (not by UFC which I should clarify):
https://www.polygon.com/nintendo-switch/2019/9/28/20888540/nintendo-switch-joy-con-drift-lawsuit-switch-lite-repairs

Here is a case of someone actually taking Nintendo to court over joycon drift and winning
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/irfdia/i_took_nintendo_to_court_over_controller_issues/

I'm piling source after source after source of valid and relevant information that further proves the majority view on this issue in that Nintendo JoyCons are a faulty product and need to be fixed. For someone that loves Nintendo like yourself, I think it would be in your best interest to realize that the steps being taken to address this issue among the fanbase are in hopes for more people to enjoy their favorite Nintendo games, instead of dealing with extremely common issues with drifting that can ultimately ruin their gaming experiences. Shouldn't one who promotes Nintendo games also be one to encourage this plan of action so that more gamers can enjoy the magic of these games more adequately in the first place?

Excellent news and beyond late. Anyone opposed to this is a certified corporate bootlicker.

@JoeyTS Actually were talking about Class action lawsuit what you eluded to is individual cases.

So one of those has a court filing listed but the other two are Anecdote =/= data. One is a court filing but you made it sound like they had a Judgement which hasn't taken place.

@Dang69 Here's what I read at:
https://www.technobuffalo.com/nintendo-switch-warranty-information#:~:text=Be%20it%20an%20issue%20with,and%20the%20Nintendo%203DS%20line.&text=The%20warranty%20will%20cover%20any,defects%20that%20affects%20the%20hardware.
For what they said about Warranty.
Be it an issue with the Joy-Con, kickstand, or something else, you are covered by Nintendo's limited warranty for 12 months. That's the standard length for any Nintendo console, including the Switch and the Nintendo 3DS line.
So where are you seeing 3 month warranty for the Joy-Con does it say it on the box for separate Dual Separate Joy-Cons.

@SwitchForce The first point isn't an anecdote. In fact, UFC did that very method of data gathering again this year and used those statistics for their points. There's a clear difference between an anecdote and gathering data from thousands of people. And the last one had actual data and proof from the person who posted the Reddit with pictures showing the claim had been settled. The second point I made hasn't received judgement yet but it is a valid case.

https://www.ign.com/articles/judge-rejects-nintendos-request-to-dismiss-joy-con-drift-lawsuit

It's this one, which was last updated in March of this year where Nintendo requested the case be dismissed but the judge rejected it. The case is being handled in arbitration right now but a decision has to be made 14 days after the final outcome is settled amongst the two parties or by December 31st, 2020 whichever comes first. So yes, it is indeed a class action lawsuit and is absolutely valid for that it is still ongoing and is something Nintendo hasn't been able to dismiss. And since you're one to thrive off of documentation, you'll be happy to see that my above post holds the link to the entire 100 page document to this very class-action lawsuit so there really is no need to be skeptical of my evidence

Yep mines doing it now, need to get sorted.

And that my friends is why I use a Pro controller.

I only use my Joy Cons (I have two sets) when I’m using it in handheld mode. And I don’t do that much other than to go download big files at public wifi.

It’s unacceptable but I can say mine are fine as of now.

@TheRedComet Oh trust me, the pro controller has issues as well. Thankfully compressed air actually works for my problems with drift. I've had to open it up twice now to get the air inside better. I know of a few others that have complained about dirft on their's but they had to buy a new one.

@Spoony_Tech

I have heard that but I haven’t had any issues out of mine yet. Had it since December of 19.

My DualShock 4s were way less reliable. My DualShock 3s even less so. I had a total of seven Dualshock 3s during the PS3 era and four of them had significant drift issues. The fifth ended up having an issue with the L3 control; I had to disable rumble for it not to randomly engage L3.

Guess I’m one of the lucky ones. Only had slight drift on one controller. Bought a new pair and have had no issues since. Also absolutely no issues with my Pro Controller.

I recently got a replacement in the mail and it's starting to drift too. Hopefully Nintendo won't turn into Microsoft and just start making crappy controllers from now on.

@WiltonRoots it’s really not that serious, also you clicked the article 😂

You love to see it

@theabstractart Lol I know, guilty as charged...

I've had 2 switches since midnight of launch and have had ZERO problems with this '' DRIFT '' complaint I keep hearing about. ❤

@lacaras4 Nintendo's pride has always been it's downfall.

@ritouf I see you too are a Xenoblade 2 player. That is the game where my first SL/SR buttons went kaput as well. The controller issues make me worry for the future-proofing of Switch gameplay.

@spccharleson Some are luckier than others. I have one early set which is also drift-free but I've had three others which have in some capacity.
Promise you it's not due to mistreatment.

@the8thark I love Nintendo and the joycons are the most fragile product in recent memory.

@Chlocean
You love your making up stuff and pretending that it's real?
Sure I guess having an imagination is not a bad thing.

@JoeyTS

You are ignoaring the fact that this is just a random French consumer group that is letting their hatred of Nintendo get in the way of the facts.

Also winning in court is not always the best result. You have too much faith in the legal system if you believe this. When you have judges and juries that have no idea about the subject matter of the case, wrong verticts happen.

Assuming this is a fair trial with an good judge, this should be an easy opportunity for Nintendo to prove this whole issue has been over blown, is hatred on nintendo by the French consumer group and Nintendo has adequately dealt with the small but important issue at hand.

However if the judge is incompetant, then we might see the wrong result occur.

PS. Before you say the right result is more hurt on Nintendo, it's not. Frivilous cases like the one from this consumer group need to be stopped ASAP.

@the8thark Hey man, I'm not hating on you or Nintendo. Any product that has this kind of widespread problem is in need of fixing. Not since the Red Ring of Death has there been gaming hardware so in need of revision.
You have no idea how much I wish I was making up Joycon drift and playing pretend. I don't like being so disappointed with Nintendo, they are my lifelong love.
We need them to make new joycons ASAP or the Switch will not be future proof. 30 years from now it may be difficult to purchase used joycons without replacing the sticks first.

@Chlocean

I agree any product with a widespread issue should be fixed.
The Switch does not have a wide spread issue such as this though. It's only a small issue. However many people not siffering from the issue are jumping on the bandwagon as well.

Nintendo should fix the issue. Even though it's not that widespread it still deserves a fix.

Seriously I wish it was a more wideapread issue, so Nintendo would be more pressured into adequately dealing with the issue. I do agree Nintendo has not handled the issue as well as it could have been.

@the8thark Hate on Nintendo? Clearly there is a widespread issue of Joy-Con defectiveness so studies are being done. It isn't hate when the data they're gathering is from the users of the website and not anyone actually running the site. Also, the ACCC doesn't focus on these things in the first place. As quoted from their site:

"The ACCC promotes competition and fair trade in markets to benefit consumers, businesses, and the community."

Competition and fair trade is what they focus on which relates to mainly company relations among each other, while UFC specializes in testing products and electronics which fits the bill on this topic of discussion. ACCC can very well do so as well (mainly for digital media might I add) but the entire purpose of the UFC is related to this so of course their expertise regarding this makes them ones to bring more awareness to it. They both serve different purposes so the ACCC does not prove anything is over exaggerated.
Also. It is widespread. IGN did a poll on this as well and they reported around 48% of the people taking the poll have had drift issues which I would very well consider widespread.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/07/28/did-the-ign-community-experience-switch-joy-con-drift-issues-the-results-are-in

And as I mentioned in an above comment, another lawsuit has been taking place regarding the same issue and is currently still in arbitration. Nintendo actually tried to dismiss the case but were denied. Here's more info on that particular case.

https://www.polygon.com/nintendo-switch/2019/9/28/20888540/nintendo-switch-joy-con-drift-lawsuit-switch-lite-repairs

Also...Nintendo is repairing these drifting joycons for free whether in warranty or not. Doesn't that indicate that Nintendo is aware of the issue and a lot of people are having this problem? If it wasn't a widespread issue, they wouldn't be doing these repairs for free.

And to say this isn't a widespread while ignoring the evidence saying otherwise by calling it "Hate on Nintendo" and then failing to provide your own evidence is complete ignorance on your part. Multiple sources confirm the severity of the issue and you dismiss it in attempts to defend this?

I think people doesn't understand yet you can't fight Nintendo and win... It's virtually impossible

@Dragwhite Wow it really is 😀

@the8thark It’s not overblown. Many users have this problem, and especially because the problem manifests in the same way for several, it’s a buildup of damning evidence that something is plain wrong with the Switch controller hardware.

@iammikegaines How were you lucky? Your JoyCon did drift and you had to buy new ones. So, in essence, you had to pay double for a working controller, no?

I've got 3 joycons with drift including a special edition Zelda one. Thanks Nintendo

@FantasiaWHT "if you're not a real lawyer (which I am)"

Haha, no.

@LEGEND_MARIOID I've never heard there was a Zelda Joy-Con from Nintendo if so where are they? That leads the question a Troll in disguise so now we know where the real problems are not Joy-Cons now. You helped debunked the Joy-Con OEM drifts. Now we know the Real story.

@nintendoknife This is the exact reply we expect when they loose the debate attack the other person. That lends you "0" credibility here.

@SwitchForce https://www.amazon.com/Official-Nintendo-Licensed-D-pad-Version-Switch/dp/B07FSWM4Z2

The Analog Stick among these HORI Joycons are identical to that of Nintendo's. So they drift in a sense that they use the same supplier or at the very least the same technology which actually further proves my point.

The fact that you provide no evidence of anything is why your credibility is 0. Along with the fact that you have failed to further respond to my evidence in which I proved that a class-action lawsuit is still taking place regarding this issue, my points with UFC, and the proof that someone has successfully been able to take Nintendo up to court on this and win which is not an anecdote but instead an example that contradicts the exact thing you're arguing against that being this issue won't hold up in court which I have just proved otherwise. If you support Nintendo, you should also support the people that play Nintendo games. That's your audience after all. The fact that you're trying this hard to defend Nintendo's actions is appalling.

Really - I love Nintendo.
But I really hope they get kicked hard for just ignoring the drift-issue. It's not only Joy-Con but also Pro-Controller as we all know and they do nothing but "you can send them in and they get repaired".
It's a shame and it really makes me angry.

Good. It's unacceptable. I love Nintendo but keep suing them !

@Tonyo It was Thlevel. They're just chinese knockoffs that looks EXACTLY the same as the originals, that I got on amazon (labelled Thlevel Analog Joystick Tringle). They come with rubber things that attach on top for more grip but I didn't use them. Since I wanted my sticks replaced (once the right one started drifting as well) and i would have to take them apart for that I also got clear replacement shells with SNES PAL style coloured buttons, so I changed all of that at the same time.

@ritouf

I'm on about the evidence which I replied to.

@the8thark In which I continued to clarify on my standings by providing further evidence and disproving your claim regarding the role ACCC would play on the issue. You have provided no evidence on your part other than downplaying UFC and calling it "Hate on Nintendo" despite the fact that the data gathered was from thousands of Switch users and not the people running the site. I've also provided a source which showed in a poll conducted by IGN, that out of over 26,000 people who polled, over 9,000 of those people have experienced issues with drift in their Joy-Cons which is pretty widespread.

You say quote "Seriously I wish it was a more widespread issue" and for that I can say that your wish has come true. Multiple sources confirm this to be so. You claiming the evidence is just "hating on Nintendo" yet failing to provide your own source on the matter is ignorance on your part. Nintendo is providing free repairs whether in warranty or not regarding drift which should already be indication that many people are experiencing this issue and Nintendo is aware of it. If it wasn't widespread as you claim, Nintendo wouldn't be doing these repairs for free just as Nintendo wouldn't give out gloves for free if the analog stick controversy for Mario Party 1 wasn't widespread.

@JoeyTS
You are ignoring the facts.
The consumer group claims 65% of all joycon are broken.
https://www.ibtimes.com/nintendo-switch-news-consumer-files-new-joy-con-drift-lawsuit-claiming-planned-3050400

Your numbers don't match up with this. Not even close.
Also your IGN survey is 9000 people who "claimed" they have experienced joycon drift. We don't know how many of those 9K just jumped on the bandwagon.

The numbers we need are direct hardware repair numbers to know how many joycon were fixed and/or reported directly to Nintendo for repair. That number will be devoid of bandwagoners.

I stick by my evidence based opinion that the joycon drift issue is NOT widespread. It's an issue that needs to be addressed still.

Until official data is released on this that proves otherwise, that is my evidence based opinion.

@the8thark Quote from UFC: "65% of the testimonials gathered for the case show a malfunction within the first two years, and 25 percent experienced Joy-Con drift within six months"

And the IGN article was taken in the matter of around a week of data gathering whereas UFC's data gathering as you can see was based over a longer period of time. So both time frames of data gathering are different yet both produce the same conclusion. To believe that it's just "jumping on the bandwagon" is to attempt to disprove evidence for the sake of trying to defend your point of view without any of your own evidence. The numbers show in multiple sources that I bring up and ones that I don't bring up. All come to the same conclusion.

And I edited it in my above comment but you might have not seen it. Nintendo is doing drift repairs for free whether in warranty or not. If this isn't as widespread as you claim, Nintendo wouldn't be fixing the drift for free. If the Mario Party 1 analog stick controversy wasn't as widespread, they wouldn't have given away gloves for free. But they did and what's happening now is a repeat of that. An attempt to mitigate further issue by providing only a temporary fix to a much bigger problem.

@JoeyTS

Nintendo is doing the repairs to help stop the negative PR and also to help them in the legal action against them. Damage to their reputation is worth big Yen. Often companies will just do the repairs for this exact reason, not because it's a widespread issue.

You are ignoring the fact that actual hard data from the source hasn't been released (to my knowledge). You are taking random journalist polls as evidence.

What we need is the actual numbers from Nintendo. Hopefully the legal cases will bring these numbers to light. These numbers will put all the speculation (a lot of what you are saying) to rest.

Also if you want to get technical, widespread or not wideapread are both qualitative terms. You can spin either one to fit any arguement. Only quantitative information on this straight from the source (ie Nintendo) will tell us how many joycons are affected.

@the8thark Of course Nintendo isn't going to give out their numbers. They're currently under a lawsuit for this and may be under a second one soon through UFC. They'd give out information in this if the data was on their side but they haven't because the data they have will only hurt their case. If I was convicted for a crime and had friends that would vouch for my side, then I would get them involved immediately. Yet, if I knew their testimonies would only hurt my case, I would neglect to get them involved as is what Nintendo is doing to avoid losing the case. Neglecting to provide the numbers to the public as they know it goes against their case. It's not an assumption either, this lawsuit has been ongoing for a while, they'd give out the data if the numbers were on their side to dismiss the case. Nintendo after all has attempted to dismiss this case but has been denied. All it would take is for Nintendo to release their official data to see the true story on this but their lack of doing so indicates there is an issue and they don't want the public to see the official numbers.
https://www.polygon.com/nintendo-switch/2019/9/28/20888540/nintendo-switch-joy-con-drift-lawsuit-switch-lite-repairs

This link contains the entire documentation to the Class-Action Lawsuit Nintendo is currently still facing on the issue. It goes over everything you need to know regarding the issue. It even includes an in-depth analysis on the hardware and technology involved in the Joy-Con and why it drifts so easily along with many testimonies and the legality and legitimacy for the lawsuit in the first place.

I really hate the Joycons (and I love every other Nintendo controller) since they break in just under a year. I sent 4 drifting ones to repair and it felt like a struggle to get fixed ones back for free.

@JoeyTS

Nintendo will release the numbers when ordered to in court.

Secondly the article you shared is an opinion piece. However it does have one of the complaints attached.

I can't read the important parts of the document
https://www.scribd.com/document/427842152/Nintendo-Switch-Joy-Con-Drift-lawsuit-amended
without signing up to scribd. I'll have to research another way to read the official complaint.

Do you have a scribd account to actually read the full document here? If not then you've not read it here either.

Thirdly, this UFC really just hate Nintendo and are using the legal system to empower this hatred.

Finally, the other court cases, which actually have merits, I am interested to see if/when they demand Nintendo release the actual data.

That way we will all know the facts about the situation.

Claiming the data is unfavourable to Nintendo because Nintendo has not released is pure speculation on your part. Just because the case has been ongoing for a while doesn't change this. Legal cases take a long time to be resolved. It's a marathon not a sprint.

I can't wait for the full facts of this to be released so arguements like this based on people's lack of information cease to exist.

Also it will put an end to the bandwagoning (hopefully) that is happening. I know of quote a few people who got off tha bandwagon and apologised for it. Sure anecodatal evidence but it's better than nothing. That way we can ignore all of them and just focus on the data (when it arrives).

@the8thark First, the case has been ongoing since 2019. Nintendo can very well release the numbers and dismiss the case. They already have tried to dismiss the case but failed to provide numbers indicating they have a platform but fail to utilize it as they know it will harm their case.

Second, don't used Scribd, you can view the entire document on the website itself (Polygon.com) which I have done and is something you can very well do. You can even download it off of the site and view it offline in its entirety.

Third you say UFC hates Nintendo yet again but fail to provide evidence.

Finally, you say that Nintendo not releasing the numbers is pure speculation on my part but you saying UFC hates Nintendo and people on IGN are "hopping on the bandwagon" is speculation on your part. At least on my side, I have valid reason to assume this as Nintendo would very well release the numbers if they vouched towards their side because no business wants to be stuck in a lawsuit. You speculate for the sake of trying to defend your side without evidence.

@JoeyTS

You can't prove me wrong and I can't prove you wrong without the data which has not yet been released.
At the end of the day that's all that matters, the data.

We can keep at each other (claiming the other side is full of &^%$) or we can wait for the data and then have an better discussion on this. Your call.

I will say thank you for your input. Was nice debating you.

As an aside, you are a good debater. Of cause I don't agree with your side of the debate at all factually , but how you put it all together was very well structured.

@the8thark Fair enough I appreciate this discussion and you have brought up decent points.

I think now knowing you have access to the entire documentation, you should look into it more as it will put this whole situation into much greater detail.

I wish I was a simpleton. That way this would be the biggest problem in my life. Also, I could break things and blame it on others. I could wreck my car and say, "That's what insurance is for. " I could believe everything on social media and the internet. I wouldn't hate everybody because they are dumb humans creating dumb problems. I wouldn't care that the planet is changing because of parasitic humans. I could look at the world with emptiness in my eyes. My job would be easy because I'd do like everyone else and barely do my job. I could blame everything on the president. That would be great. I think I'm gonna smoke lots of Crack so I can be like you people.

@Antraxx777 seems like most people here have bought multiple replacements and have had drift issues with all of them. I have not had the same experience. My second set and my pro controller work just fine. That is what I meant.

@SwitchForce Criticizing Nintendo for their incompetence doesn’t make me a troll. The fact is their poor excuse for a website took 24-48hrs to register the purchase of the game. Add on top of that, COVID caused delays in the physical game being shipped to me on time. So I did all of the other My Nintendo “missions” like I was supposed to but because of circumstances beyond my control I lost out. This could have been fixed if Nintendo had made the game registration instant, taken in to account shipping delays by making the pins available at a later date, and by making enough pins to satisfy demand. What should have been a fun celebration of Mario has turned in to yet another failure that turns people off of Nintendo. Maybe before blindly following Nintendo off a cliff like a lemming, you could stop and think about things critically (I know that’s a huge imposition for a 5 year old born in the age of Twitter but do better).

@RudyC3 May I know which third party brand is this?

@Gwynbleidd Yes, yes it is! That is drifting as well. There is little escape from the dang curse

@SwitchForce Ha ha ha. Sifting through the twitter-esque, generic, trolling rubbish from you there, there has actually been an interesting point raised by "us". I have one Hori Zelda joycon and two Nintendo joycons (possibly 3) that have drift. And that is the truth.

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@Dezzy thumbs down to the 9 ***** who liked your post lol. Here Nintendo admitted the issue and provide free repairs for it.

It's pretty clear they know the problem lol.