A few years ago, scorekeeping organisation Twin Galaxies stripped Billy Mitchell of his scores following accusations of cheating. It has now been revealed that those scores have been reinstated by Guinness World Records, which means Mitchell is once again officially recognised as the first person to register a 1 million point game on Donkey Kong.
Guinness World Records has issued a statement, saying:
In the light of compelling new evidence received by Guinness World Records, the Records Management Team has decided to reverse decisions made in April 2018 in regards to videogame high scores achieved by Billy Mitchell between 1982 and 2010.
Guinness World Records is always open to accepting new evidence for historical achievements, and to reviewing new and existing evidence for disputed titles. In this case, a re-examination of the records in question and the emergence of key eyewitness testimonials led to a reversal of earlier disqualifications and the reinstating of Mr Mitchell’s original records. The records archive has been updated accordingly to reflect this.
The saga began back in April 2018, when Twin Galaxies announced it would be launching an investigation into Mitchell's submitted scores after it was claimed that evidence existed which suggested he had used an emulator for two of his scores. All of his scores were expunged from the Twin Galaxies database, and Guinness World Records later removed Mitchell's scores as it relied on Twin Galaxies for verification. Mitchell has contested this with legal action, which is still pending.
During these events, Mitchell has benefitted from the support of original Twin Galaxies founder Walter Day – who has performed an exhaustive review of Mitchell's submissions – as well as industry veteran Todd Tuckey and current Donkey Kong high score holder Robbie Lakeman.
The reinstated records appear below:
- July 3, 1999 - First Perfect Score on Pac-Man – 3,333,360 Points
- November 7, 1982 – Highest score on Donkey Kong – 874,300 Points
- June 4, 2005 – Highest score on Donkey Kong – 1,047,200 Points
- July 14, 2007 – Highest score on Donkey Kong – 1,050,200 Points
- July 31, 2010 – Highest score on Donkey Kong – 1,062,800 Points
https://twitter.com/BillyPacman/status/1273647235096551428
Mitchell had this to say about the news:
I wanted to clear my name and resume my role as one of the key personalities and promoters of competitive eSports. It took more than two years and an abundance of indisputable facts, eyewitnesses, and expert testimony to prove all of my records were legitimate.
I want to thank two industry giants, Walter Day and Robbie Lakeman, for their continued support and for providing valuable testimony to Guinness World Records as to the validity and legitimacy of my world titles and firsts.
In his own statement, Todd Tuckey added:
What Twin Galaxies (new owners) asserts about Billy Mitchell’s score is simply not possible. There has never and will never be an emulation board that plugs into a Donkey Kong machine. It is simply impossible for anything but legitimate hardware to have been inside Billy Mitchell’s machine.
Lakeman – who has personally acted as an expert witness in the case – said:
After reviewing Billy’s gameplay, and reproducing similar games myself, I can honestly say that this is legitimate gameplay. I do not see a reason why Billy would need to even use MAME, or save states to film both games with this style of play.
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STAY WINNING BIG BILLY!!!
Lol so many people were talking trash about this guy, myself included but apparently he was legit all along and we were all wrong.
Well good on him for clearing his name.
Billy can't be stopped, won't be stopped.
The only person who cares about Billy Mitchell is effing Billy Mitchell jeez.
How? The supposed footage of his records (at least for Donkey Kong) clearly shows the game levels loading exactly as they load in the MAME emulator, which has been proved that an original arcade always loads the levels in a different fashion. Those witness don't amount of anything if the hard evidence is there, and a certain witness loses credibility when it has been shown that irregularities in the verification process has been shady at best.
Remember, whether Billy is good at games is not questioned here, is about Billy lying that he never used MAME where evidence shows otherwise.
The man had a lot of arrogance and smug self-certainty--a bit hard to fake that if he had cheated. Glad he got his records reinstated.
Wasn't Bill Bastable the first player to get a perfect Pac-Man score back in the 80's?
All right then, the drama continues! Now we need to uncover who framed him for cheating, how, and why
anything to take our minds off of the real problems of the day...
I think the way he handles himself and that he comes across as an arrogant slimy douche bag doesn't exactly help his cause all too much.
What does this even mean? - "There has never and will never be an emulation board that plugs into a Donkey Kong machine. "
@retrogamingdev
I know, right!? Is he saying that it's physically impossible to hollow out a cabinet and put a PC in there?
@retrogamingdev seems to me that is Baseless conjecture. People just asserting something and is taken as truth for their position for being an "expert". This whole topic has been heavily debated and investigated, and it has been show that the old staff of Twin Galaxies had an irregular, biased process of adding records to well known people.
I don't understand a single technical thing in this situation, and I think at this point... I'd like to go back to the days when I didn't know who that guy was.
@Gridatttack Exactly. The footage of his high scores he filmed himself were done on MAME.
Let's not forget that former T.G. record holder and referee, Todd Rodgers, was also a total liar that Billy still defends.
This all makes me think that Guinness World Records just caved in on his legal threats because he just wouldn't let this go.
Do people still really care about the Guiness World *****? Still, Mitchell is an arrogant ***** who will sue everyone who gets in his way.
@Elvie yeah, the old staff of Twin Galaxies is just a big can of worms :/ And that seems to unfortunately be the case, that perhaps Guinness caved on legal threats. I wonder what about the other supposed lawsuits Billy has against other entities will pan out, and If I recall, the current Twin Galaxies counter-sued Billy too, so it seems the show will still go on for some time :/
@KoopaTheQuick Poor Billy’s always down on his luck in Albert Square but now at least he has his Donkey Kong records 😂😂
Billy Mitchell is better at games than me. Like way better xxx
His scores and ability to set them has never been in question. They were removed because he has been proven to have cheated on at least one occasion. If Guinness want to reinstate his legit scores, that’s their prerogative. The guy is still a proven cheater.
I want to know how a "legit" board managed to load levels like an emulator. If you can actually demonstrate that to me I'll accept it. Until then I've seen too much evidence to support that he cheated and that at least that first million point tape should be disqualified. I honestly don't care if his other historic scores stay, just the one where he was proven to have cheated has to go. Don't just say you've reviewed evidence, show it to us!
I do believe that Billy has the skills to be on top, but I also believe that he took shortcuts to stay on top once he got there. In a way this whole situation reminds me of a line from the movie Cool Runnings. "A gold medal is a wonderful thing, but if you aren't enough without one then you'll never be enough with one." That's how I see Billy. His records are everything to him. He uses them to sell his hot sauce. Without them he loses everything that he sees himself as.
The people who were originally fooled by Billy's cheating, or worse didn't care, have testified that he didn't cheat. Guess that solves the case!
Billy's the real deal. ^^
@DonSerrot couldn't agree more as he seems like he is nothing except his past accomplishments and has hung onto it for far too long. Also his method of suing people who he has more money than as his proof that he is right and they aren't is just a sad state that people rely on money as their method of having done no wrong as opposed to the truth.
Very shady, after being proved a cheat many times before in the past.
It's clear that whether he cheated on a recent score or not, he definitely achieved all the old scores from back in the day. Those scores should absolutely be held up and respected for what they are, and they absolutely deserve to be in The Guinness Book of World Records too.
The dude cheated and used mame simple as that, using mame isn't a bad thing but I am sure there's a seperate ranking for emulation what he did was a scummy move because he was allowed to send in his own recorded video and claimed it was on a legit donkey kong arcade board and because he was pals with the twin galaxy staff he got away with it.
Should be interesting if this goes to court with Twin Galaxies. Because there would be discovery and cross-examination — in other words, a lot of people looking at things and asking questions. Either you have to be very confident or you have to be one heck of a bluffer.
@Toy_Link It's debatable that he did. I heard he used the DIP switches to pause the game at certain points which wouldn't be accepted by people today. Plus, there are other claims of a perfect score.
https://archive.org/details/joystik_magazine-1983-09/page/n5
However, those guys' scores are probably more legitimate than Billy's.
Must have been a hefty bribe.
Maybe Billy Mitchell after all is this amazing gamer who is a master at retro arcade games. I don't know since he will never play these games in real time.
However, for certain he is one arrogant unlikable jerk, and no amount of gaming ability is going to change that.
I'm happy for him, but it's not something I've been losing sleep over.
@DonSerrot Yeah, this doesn't really clear that up. The way it loaded levels was not the way machines loaded them. I'd really like to hear the explanation behind these decisions.
Not that it, like, really matters. That being said, I'm glad he got his Pac-Man record reinstated, thought it was a little harsh that ALL of his records were removed.
I do look forward to people talking a bit more in-depth about this, instead of "in light of new investigations and testimony".
The YouTube link is broken BTW.
I'll be curious to see how Twin Galaxies responds. In my mind, they are more the authority on video gaming records and scoring than Guinness.
How do we know 100% he isn’t being honest? Do all programs load exactly alike? Could it be a glitch? I was under the impression that Guinness had to inspect or bear witness to the attempt making sure no cheating was involved.
I never doubted Billy is innocent.
Congratulations for your rehabilitation, Billy! Hope you get peace now - you deserve it!
That’s great, maybe people will be willing to stop complaining about him, now! Great work!
This is what happens when you spend your whole life playing one game, time to get a job.
@GameOtaku It was my understanding that the recordings showing the alleged cheating came from public appearances where Mitchell was put in front of a machine and asked to play while a crowd watched. If that is the case then I don’t think it’s fair he could be accused of cheating as he would have no way to know what was inside the machine he was asked to play on.
If there are recordings of him playing on his own machine that show the MAME loading artefacts then that does pretty much confirm he was cheating.
I like Steve Wiebe, too, but everyone dogpiling on Billy for being falsely accused of this should really have at least some contrition for doing so. Just because Steve Wiebe is the hero of a film and seems to also be swell in real life doesn't mean Billy is literally evil and should automatically be considered guilty of anything he's accused of simply because he's portrayed as an antagonist in a movie. Just be reasonable, please.
@Fido007 he owns his own hot sauce company the guy is pretty rich because of it
@Razer This is why I have to question literally ***** everything now because people are completely mad.
@Fido007 He looks too well dressed to be unemployed, just a thought.
@TG16_IS_BAE @Zenszulu I guess, but still he fought for 2 years for a record that somebody will break in the future, to me that seems like a huge waste of time and money. I'm not gonna say I know what happened with everything, but if it was me, I would focus on the important things and forget nonsense like this, anybody can say anything, however it all catches up on them.
All that will happen now is Billy will have a target in the back of his head, and the accusers got away with point fingers.
@Fido007 his Donkey Kong records have long since been broken it is more they are restored to say he was the record holder at the time also this guy has built his whole existence on these records and I am not disagreeing with you that he should move on but this guy acts very self important because of these records and is very arrogant in any kind of documentaries that were done. This guy doesn't let things go and doesn't care about a target on his the back of his head as his method of proving he is right is threatening to sue people who expose him for more money than they can afford because he has it and they don't.
@Zenszulu I see.. ego before necessity, he'll destroy himself.
I used to care, but screw it, just let the man have his recognition. As much as he draws the ire of the gaming community let's just appreciate what he has done for competitive gaming. If he hadn't been in King of Kong there would have been no movie period. It needed him to create the captivating drama we all couldn't look away from.
So let him have it, stop treating him like a villain. And from now on when someone wants to register a high score make them do it in front of a certified record keeping organization.
Still dont like him. The Silly Bitchel nickname still stands
@Fido007 I believe he still owns his own hot sauce company that does quite well. But his persona is wrapped around gaming even in his business.
@nessisonett,
I don't think anybody gets much luck in Albert square, even more so on Christmas day.
@Razer
Guinness Book of World Records is just a dog and pony show “marketing partner” and isn’t really qualified nor credible enough to validate nor dismiss just about anything. IMHO YMMV
@N64-ROX Quite possibly the wrong site for that kind of stuff. I’m pretty sure the website knows it’s audience well enough to avoid posting anything particularly egregious about social commentary.
@Fido007 I think people forget that “important” does not mean “universally important.” As in, the records he obtained are important to him, which is what actually counts. Is it of universal importance? Probably not, but it’s not up to you or any of us to try and say what “should” be universally important for each human life form in the planet.
Lol, "Never Surrender", this guy always delivers. I have to say, I'm shocked that he was right all along. All the King of Kong drama aside, that initial footage in 2018 was pretty damning evidence of MAME play. It's indisputable that he is actually an extremely talented arcade player, but I thought for sure he cheated a bit so he could lord that 'first' title over everyone till the end of time.
This guy has no name to clear. He is a petty petty man who thinks history books matter more than a record of arrogance and bs. May you cheat another day Billy.
Lot of strong opinions in the comments. I'm not totally sure why anyone cares? If he cheated, he cheated. If he didn't, he didn't. It's a 40 year old arcade game.
I mean no offence to the Records Management Team but they arent professionals in deciphering what or how things have been cheated. Their name is as implied, records management, not cheat exposing. They shouldve left it to professionals who knew the ins and outs of the game to determine if he cheated or not.
There is also the need of evidence that exonerates him and as of this moment, there are more evidence that incriminates him that he cheated so unless I can see that evidence where the Records Management Team used to determine that he did not cheated, the emulator proof in his very own submitted video seems to be stronger in the public's eye as far as Im concerned.
Yeah sure they were legit. Now what was that "new Evidence?" because i still want an explaintion of why the footage has more in common with Mame, and why there is no sound.
@Fido007 He owns his own business.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SEKYlZbaQPE
I don’t know if the “finger” can really be used as evidence. Can anyone actually claim it won’t happen at all on original hardware? Could a dirty board cause it?
He looks taller than he did in that Adam Sandler movie.
Oh wow good for him, now I will go back to not ever caring again.
‘There has never and will never be an emulation board that plugs into a Donkey Kong machine. It is simply impossible for anything but legitimate hardware to have been inside Billy Mitchell’s machine.‘
Well, both those statements are untrue which makes me suspicious of the entire thing.
I find Billy so arrogant and patronising. No wonder he has detractors. Also, it’s hard to care about his scores when he’s been suing people left and right. So pathetic.
@ReaperExTenebris
Original DK arcade is hard to find though isn’t it? So wouldn’t using MAME be just as good as long as no mods to gameplay were added? So for example are the high scores and speed runs in Disney Afternoon collection all void because it’s not original hardware?
If he wants clear his name sure, but from the looks of this article I have a hard time believing it when all the public gets to hear on the matter it "he didnt cheat guys trust us"
Told ya'll! Billy Mitchel is a legend!
@Marxally Guiness World *****?
Agreed that is a kids book. That isn't a real verified independent auditing. They probably got a lawsuit and couldn't afford to fight it off so they just platitude and said ok it's a record. Guiness isn't a legit record keeping as anyone can make a Guiness Record.
@boxyguy "he didnt cheat guys trust us"
Agree anyone telling us this definitely did cheat why else would they need to even say this.......
@robr Guinness Book of World Records is just a dog and pony show “marketing partner” and isn’t really qualified nor credible enough to validate nor dismiss just about anything.
This is so true...anyone making a Guinness record can do their own like Hey I can Tweet 140 characters that is a Guinness record. See how lame Guinness has become.
He cheated and got caught and then used Guinness to legitimized his cheating. Ya that shows a POOR Sportsmanship in the lowest degree.
@boxyguy
He can’t have cheated because it’s impossible to use MAME and why would he want to anyway. You can’t argue with that logic. 😅
Yeah, still not buying it after watching it. No hard proof, just more bluster. This entire video is hilarious. Billy needs to shave his head and quite dying his beard, so he can look like a normal person. So much bluster. Gross.
"I'm obviously reserved. I don't speak much. To media." XFD BS BROTHER!!!
@DonSerrot Sort of like Lance Armstrong!
@Xiovanni I doubt it. One can verify that the level loads like that oneself by downloading that version of MAME, the DK rom, and looking at the video Billy provided. It's not something that can't be checked by yourself. Regarding board revisions, I'm sure that is documented somewhere (As the DK cabinets are populat), and besides, what are the odds of a hardware cabinet loading exactly the same as an emulator made at a later date? Seems to me that MAME handles loading differently and can't really replicate what the hardware did, so that concern isn't really relevant. Most emulators don't really have that hardware accuracy for that to be realistic as an "excuse" (and if we wanted to verify, we will need to get the latest version of MAME that was available at that time period)
About using an emulator, yes. Game speedruns and records usually have a separate category for both real hardware an emulator records. The problem here is that Billy is attempting to pass an emulator record as a record done on legitimate hardware (and of course, the legitimate hardware record has more weight than an emulator one)
Oh, good, I was really worried about this.
I’m glad Billy hung in there and fought for a legacy he was obviously proud of. Lucky for him he had strong evidence to prove that the Guiness scores were legitimate. Congratulations sir!
@ReaperExTenebris @Gridatttack
The most logical thing to do going forward for future record attempts would be to have observers from Guinness to check (regardless if it’s on original hardware, retrons, or emulator) that no cheating is happening. For a while I went to stock car races, and if a driver was suspected of cheating the car would be broke down to check however the opposing party making the claim would have to put up cash and for the car was legit the suspected driver would get the “objection” money. I personally see no problem using an emulator for a record vs a record on original hardware as long as it’s legitimately done.
@ReaperExTenebris
Thanks. As time goes on though original hardware and software will become scarce so then only emulation will remain. While we can they need to find a decent solution. I was actually going to attempt a speed run of Tale Spin on the Disney Afternoon collection on steam , but in light of this and my NES out of commission I don’t want my attempt to still be a second best.
Maybe I'm up past my bedtime. I swear Billy was wearing a hoodie. Nope! Just his hairstyle 🤷♂️
I personally do not recognise Guinness as official world records any more. Not because of this but it adds to it.
@Elvie @DonSerrot
So, looking at what I believe was his document of submitted evidence, he didn’t claim they weren’t MAME. The first part of the evidence seems to state that the specific score being used to accuse him was tied to the video in question from the movie where the MAME footage occured, BUT this was not actually the score submission. The video is stated to have been for ‘entertainment purposes only’. The scores he obtained for submission were all publicly viewed but the video in question was not of a submission score. According to what I understand. So, it’s saying that the MAME video, was not in dispute, only that this was never a submission for high score.
Only Billy And the Lord knows the truth about this. Let's get on with life. World records are for fun and wonder. Life is unfair. If some guy gets his 15 minutes of fame for an event where he cheats, let him have it.
@Gridatttack
Your assessment seems correct. Videos by Apollo Legend on Youtube show that Billy got those scores on an emulator, which obviously could have been manipulated. Guinness simply can not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Billy cheated, even though it's very obvious that he did.
He's... too legit... too legit to quit...
@TheWingedAvenger
Right? People in this thread saying he's cleared now are terribly uninformed or just Billy alts lmao.
Guinness could give the world record for a running marathon to me, but if it's shown I actually did the whole marathon in my car instead of running, wbo cares what Guinness says?
Billy isn't completely unskilled at games, but the fact that he's cheated and still refuses to own up to it - instead threatening suit until he "clears his name" for something that's literally been caught on camera - shows he isn't trustworthy. That's ehy all his scores were removed, and should stay that way.
If Guinness or Billy himself wants to provide actual proof, I'm here for it.
@BLD
I look at Billy Mitchell the way I look at Barry Bonds. He's good at what he does, but I don't rate him as highly as the guys who do it without cheating.
Well, I'm glad to hear Billy has proven he's still the original KOK.
@NEStalgia
Citation still needed on that though. What proof is there, again?
@Rika_Yoshitake That’s what he does... That’s ALL HE DOES!!!
@Gridatttack I’d like to see and hear all the evidence/testimonies so I can weigh it out for myself.
@BlubberWhale of course, that is what all we should do, to be better informed. There is enough material online for you to draw a conclusion yourself.
@GameOtaku yes. in theory, based from the King of Kong documentary, seems like Billy provided the tapes or that he was supposedly playing live (but no one saw him), so they took that as a "proof" that it was done legitimately.
Regarding emulators being used, I don't mind as long as the leaderboards are separated. It's better that way because emulators don't really strive to emulate hardware constraints too, and hardware can have an impact on things in-game in some cases. This is most notably on speedruns, where load times or lag is less on an emulator, which can have an impact on the gameplay (such as higher framerate being able to react faster, etc.)
@Gridatttack You’re probably right, but I’d also like to see this “new evidence,” they’re referring to. What do you think that could be?
No ones hands are clean in this including Twin Galaxies. The evidence for cheating is not conclusive and Walter actually knows more but is not divulging it for legal reasons.
I believe we are the only people to have actually interviewed Billy since this happened. Below we discuss with him what he was doing to prove his case.
https://autofirepowerhour.com/2019/01/14/episode-44-billy-mitchell-returns/
We also have an episode interviewing him right after the controversy hit.
@BlubberWhale
The press release pretty much sums up that their new evidence is that his buddies said he didn’t cheat. The end.
@robr Could be... I might check around see if there’s any more to this story.
I want you to remember that no punk ***** ever got a gnarly piece of poon-tang by being sensitive and considerate!
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