DOOM Director Says The Team Has "Bantered" With Nintendo Asking For Doomguy In Smash Bros.

So, are Doomed, or are we not doomed?

''This game's winner is... DOOMGUY!!''

...nah. Nah that doesn't feel right. Doom is great but isn't Smash material IMO.

Nintendo is DOOMED!...oh wait, wrong decade.

If this interview is to be believed then it basically deconfirms doomguy because all the 6 characters have already been chosen

Well, Bayonetta is in.

Didn’t the DragonBall Z people do the same thing with goku?

@WreckitRyan It is never the wrong decade. They have always been doomed and will always be doomed.

I can only imagine the Kirby Doomguy transformation...

Doom Guy will soon be the star of 6 Switch games, he's as prolific as Mario. He's more than earned his place.

Doomguy or Doomslayer?

@PoorGeno Remember how Phil Spencer used to outwardly say about how great Banjo & Kazooie would be in Smash, months before they were announced? He’d have known about the deal by then. I want to believe that this could be a similar case. I mean, there’s a good chance it’ll lead to nothing but you never know. Could be a tease of what’s to come.

I could see them adding Mii hats for Doomguy or the original Cacodemon, but my gut says anything more would be optimistic.

I'm here for it, but Dragonborn might be a better fit as a Bethesda rep. Maybe I'm biased because I think Fus Ro Dah'ing Mario into the blast zone sounds hilariously awesome.

@T7Hokage017 Demons from hell entering our dimension via stupid humans building an inter-dimensional teleport machine on the moons of Mars. Instead of leaving it at that and realising they cocked up, they then build a machine to harness power from Hell due to an energy crisis on Earth and (I think) Mars. The only way to solve the crisis is to basically shoot, blow up, chainsaw or even punch everything that moves.

@Yosher

It's Doomslayer.

Rather master chief.

@SBandy Doesn't make it much better if you ask me.

If they can figure out a cool move set for him, sure.

What I am most impressed with is how widely Smash has been now recognized outside of Nintendo as a real love letter to gaming. And not just a slapped together one to play on your emotions or nostalgic reasons. But a genuinely well made and thoughtful celebration of Nintendo and gaming in general.

Doomguy isnt coming to Smash. Let it go.

I would prefer a DOOM monster instead.

DOOM Guy would just be a glorified Samus clone in Smash, and we already have far too many human characters on the roster as it is.

@Yosher

Cooler than Ice Climbers! 😂

I would want him in just to get some of that Mick Gordon soundtrack into Smash.

coughcoughMK11coughcough

I want a female character, like the ice queen from Frozen. Too many saugeses in Smash.

Nintendo had many opportunities to bring more first/second party characters (Isaac from Golden Sun, Takamaru, Waluigi, Waddle Dee, Chorus Kids, Mike Jones from Star Tropics, Krystal from Star Fox Adventures, Black Shadow from F-Zero, Jill from Drill Dozer, Ashley from Trace Memory, Saki from Sin and Punishment, Ray MkII from Custom Robo, Ribbon Girl from ARMS, Andy or his companions from Advance Wars, etc.) that they own to Smash Ultimate and never did. I just hope they include more first party characters this time instead of just Fire Emblem characters. Since they had six in the planning I just hope it's an even split between 3 third party and 3 first party characters.

The moveset of Doomguy would be so boring. All he does is jump and shoot. Anything else would betray the gameplay of the character.

I dont think you get into smash by asking to be in smash, it's either you're chosen or not.

Surely Master Chief is just as likely these days...

@Yosher Doom Slayer (Doom Guy) would be perfect for Smash imo. Just because a character uses guns & is from a rated M game doesn't mean they're not fit for Smash, especially since we have Piranha Plant as a fighter now.

How about Mickey Mouse in Smash?

We've all been told Nintendo is DOOMED for years, now let's make it official. 😜

Doom Guy would be much better as an assist trophy. Bring up the First Person view on screen and have him target foes. That would be a better way of adding a character who was only seen in first person view from the original games. Then again, that would also be a good Final Smash attack

The characters for Fighter Pass 2 were decided back in November. If there’s nothing definitive to be said about Doomguy in Smash by now from an official and reliable source like this, it’s not happening.

Doom guy is much more deserving than the recent Fire Emblem additions. I remember when Doom launched on SNES and it was a huge deal at the time, then of course the exclusive Doom 64

@Braydon64 To each their own opinion, of course, and I personally just don't think Doom Slayer really fits Smash Bros.

But hey, I've been wrong about Bayonetta as well, so if they can prove me wrong with Doom Slayer, I wouldn't mind that. Not one of my personal picks though, whatever the case.

@nab1 It would probably be like the Samus transformation, only with a Doom Helmet.

Ignoring the rip and tear of Doomguy, I don't see a potential moveset working so well in Smash's environment

Doomguy is more a staple of gaming than many of the other characters in Smash, including some of Nintendos own.
Including him would be akin to including other icons like Pac-Man and Sonic.

Any character refused due to the maturity of their origin game would be stupid and hypocritical since there's already ones from Mature games like Solid Snake and Bayonetta.

If someone from microsoft would make the jump to smashbros, i would like to have Jago from killer instinct. Or someone else from that game. One of the best fighting games ever. Still play these gems lol.

@Yosher sound better than the winner is duck hunt

Much better than Waluigi, Minecraft Steve or Fortnite dude.

Didn't learn from Kirkhope, eh? This is all they could say in the event of an NDA. It's cute and all for an article (actually, multiple articles...) but doesn't change a thing.

@thesilverbrick I mean, Phil was saying similar things about Banjo when there was already a deal in place. There very well might be something in the works, but impossible to say until the characters are revealed.

if this was actually in development, they would've not said this

@Pirlo_ze_sniper Snake got into Brawl because Kojima and Sakurai are friends and Kojima asked him to put Snake in Smash Bros.

if a plant can make it into smash i am sure they could make doomguy/slayer work too

We all know Doom guy and Link are one and the same, both resurrected through the ages to fight an inevitable evil. Different time lines, same war. The only thing stopping Id and Nintendo from coming right out and admitting it is it would cause havoc in Hyrule, Hell and the offices of every demon IP lawyer on earth.

@Sac_instead Respectfully disagreed.

@IceClimbers Phil made comments about Banjo, but if I recall, they were all made well before Ultimate was a thing, back in the Smash 4 era. And I don’t recall him ever saying that it wasn’t going to happen. He simply said he would be open to it if Nintendo was.
These guys are saying that Doomguy was talked about but nothing materialized, and they said so very recently, well after November, when Sakurai confirmed the characters were already decided. It’s quite a different story.

@IceClimbers I just did some research. Phil Spencer’s original Banjo comment was made in 2015. Then, in May of 2018 he was asked if he would still be willing to let that happen on Twitter and simply replied, “Yep.” At that point, a deal may have been in progress, which explains his very short reply.

IIRC Sakurai adds characters based on if he feels there's a play style they bring that's unique.

So of course, Byleth was a given...

But Doom Guy kind of doesn't fit the age group and motif of Smash either. Neither does Snake but Snake is less "all about blood soaked environments" and is kind of a peacenik character if so played.

@Yosher Doom is one of the most influential video games of all time. Doomguy definitely belongs in Smash. They would have to tone down some elements sure but the same could be said for Master Chief.

Generally, all the playable characters in Smash have some sort of deep Nintendo connection though. What’s Doomguy’s connection other than ports and one N64 game? Master Chief makes even less sense. That’s why Cuphead is just a Mii Fighter costume set and not it’s own character.

@VinylCreep Doom was on Super Nintendo as well so 3 different Nintendo consoles have had Doom games. Has way more of a connection than Bayonetta, which is an oversexualized character that people would say isnt Smash material if she wasnt already in the game.

Yes please! He's one of my first personal picks, I'd love to play as him in Smash!
Also, he's certainly a very important and recognizable character whose place in videogame history shouldn't be underestimated 😄

@Gravitron Like I said, all ports though. There wasn’t any sort of special relationship with Doom or ID with the exception of Doom 64. Bayonetta is definitely an oddball given the content but there’s a special relationship Nintendo has with that game condidering they resurrected the franchise and they have a special relationship with Platinum in general, that’s why she was picked. When you think Doom you don’t think Nintendo, when you think Bayonetta you do.

And in general the criteria for Smash doesn’t really seem to be “what’s the most influential characters in gaming.” Not for their playable characters at least. They may have picked Pac Man for that reason but everyone else with the exception of probably Joker have a Nintendo connection of some sort. If you don’t have a Nintendo connection the odds of being picked seem to be that much more difficult.

Either Doomguy is already in or he has no shot for this next group. Sakurai has already stated that he the next group has Already been decided and no more will be added or changed. So if Doomguy is in then someone from Nintendo/Bandi has told them

He'd be welcome on my end, that's for sure. #SlayerForSmash

As much as I love Doom.
Doom is far too dark of a game to have any inclusion in Smash Bros.

Microsoft allowing Master Chief, or a Master Chief costume.

That would be more likely, and appropriate.

The Halo series still has more of a cartoon edge, as opposed to the sheer chaos and violence of Doom.

Like I said I love Doom, but I don't think it's plausible in the slightest.

@DLevene17 that doesnt deconfirm doomguy from being in smash and besides nintendo and even sakura knows smash community definitely wants doomslayer in smash ultimate.

@NEStalgia dont start that argument about age since adults play smash as well not just kids so having doomslayer in it not going to hurt anyone.

Yes I Want Doomslayer In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

@DOOM123 agreed.

@RiasGremory thank you for Agreeing

Ok 👌 My Thought is Doomguy on Nintendo Switch Would Be Yes Because I want Doomguy on Switch and as a Playable Character In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. He Got the Characterizations of Solid Snake

Yes I would like to See Doomguy on Switch and Happening In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

I don’t know, but he’s kinda overrated if you ask me. Shooters may not be what they are without DOOM, but I just don’t see a fighter with a compelling move-set out of it, Spirits yes. (I know that word is the bane for a character’s fans’ patience)

For THE Slayer: a Metal Samus/Mii Gunner with Death’s Scythe equipped set in Brinstar Depths.

I would actually prefer a classic '93 DOOMguy helmet as a mii gunner costume than an actual fighter. That Sans costume wouldn't stand a chance, homing rockets or no

I Generally Want Doomguy on Switch
And Yeah I believe That He Happening In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. He has the Characterization of Snake So I Believe Y’all

I would pay to use Doomguy in Smash Bros. He would fit right in!

I Generally Want Doomguy On Switch and Happening In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

Doom is the Super Mario Bros. of the FPS genre, so to speak.
One of the most historically important game series of all time.
Doomguy not only deserves to be in Smash, he NEEDS to be in Smash to properly celebrate gaming history.

@Yosher agreed. Also he just wont work. I highly doubt they would have satanic imagery in a Nintendo game

@RiasGremory not all of us. He wouldn't be the same because he would be really toned down. And I dont want satanic stuff in smash

The DOOM Marine doesn't need to come with any controversial imagery and he can be toned down in his moveset to be not more harmful than Bayonetta, Joker, Snake, and even Ridley. He doesn't need to "rip and tear", he doesn't need a realistic shotgun. Because he won't fight against evil demons in Smash. He'd just be a human that brought peace to the world, a relatively nice bloke under these circumstances. After slaying millions of evil demons, a Smash Invitation is just a cool sports tournament for him. He'd be using his new grapple hook and showing off his N64-exclusive laser weapon again leaving the chainsaw home. The BFG9000 would be programmed to Smaaaash instead of Shrrrred! I don't see a problem, I could make him fit.

That's cute.
When are they going to announce the ACTUAL release date for Doom Eternal on the Switch?

@RiasGremory of course it's not just kids that play, but kids DO play, and the content does have to be suitable to the audience. Doomguy is intentionally the visage of excessive violence and satanic imagery. Not exactly what Nintendo wants in a family title, and even if they tone him down and omit the obligatory chainsaw final smash, then it's just content with no interest or meaning to the full audience. Kids can get snake as a military solider guy like green army men. Doomguy will require parental explanation. Or worse, the internet...

It's a cool character idea for sure, but o just don't see it at suitable (or interesting) for the whole audience.

And I always thought that Link is doomguy.

If Iwata was still around, we'd have The Avatar fra Ultima in smash sooner than Doom Guy. Maybe even Werdna or Sorx from Wizardry.

@PickledKong64 wat do you mean he wouldnt be the same hell he can punch and rip demons in half which would make himm a great melee fighter and for his final smash he can use either the chainsaw or the new sword he gets in doom eternal and besides lets not forget about solid snake or bayonetta so doomslayer should be allowed to be in smash ultimate as a character.

@MagnaRoader most likely summer times since panic button stated its only a small delay.

@NEStalgia thats a dumb excuse to exclude doomslayer because of demons and violence since nintendo has killed off some of their characters in reveal trailers so doomslayer should fit right in plus he not fighting demons in smash ultimate so i woulnt worry about blood and stuff.

@RiasGremory yeah but he cant rip ppl in half in smash. Do you hear yourself?. Bayonetta and snake could work because they could make their characters who they are. Metal Gear is mature bit it's not always been about that. Bayonetta has her fighting style in tact and her sexuality but it is toned down. Part of doom guy is how violent he is and the fact he is in hell. Nintendo probably would have to tune him down big time just making him every buff shooter guy and they probably wouldn't have hell

I'd be satisfied with a Mii costume that came with the Doom theme. Honestly, I'd be satisfied just to have the music and nothing else.

But for everyone who says that the moveset won't work, you should check out the Doom Eternal trailer. He's got laser swords now, and maybe even laser axe & lance. If the folk at ID came to pitch they're character in Smash, then I wouldn't be surprised if part of the pitch was "he don't even need no guns now!"

@RiasGremory Smash has a brand identity. It's Smash, and not Playstation All-Stars Royale. Yes, a few of the existing characters already push the limits of that identity in terms of Snake and Bayo, but both of them at least have somewhat "public personality" as well that they can play off. Snake as the soldier-guy who also has memey one liners and a certain gruff charm. Bayo who if you remove her from her demon filled world is a stylized comic hero type character with fancy acrobatic moves and and over the top personality. They can be molded to fit, but they do already push the envelope arguably past the breaking point.

Doomguy/slayer however - his own 2016 game opens up telling players that as grotesquely destructive as Hell's demons are, he's something even worse and they fear HIM. He's sole purpose is to "rip and tear" in blood soaked halls amidst the pentagrams. His normal moves is to shoot everything in sight. His signature move is to close in and cut people/creatures in half/behead with a chainsaw Tarantino style. His signature weapon otherwise is the "Big F*****g Gun".

I couldn't think of a worse fitting character for the franchise's curated identity. I mean we can agree that he would be a cool character and I'm sure even Sakurai could appreciate the cool moves and differences he could bring. But there's just a brand mismatch there that can't really be solved.

Even RE characters would be a better fit. They have identities beyond bloodletting.

Luigi getting "killed" in the trailer was A: just a trailer and not part of the game, and B: "cartoon violence" which is a very differently perceived/rated thing than what Doom is. And if you have to neuter what the character is so substantially to fit the ratings and theme that they're no longer really the character, is there a point putting them in? Is a neutered, comical, action Doomguy really Doomguy even if they found an excuse to do it?

@PickledKong64 they dont need to tone him down on his fighting skills just less ripping thats about it since he can fight with just his bare fists and besides instead of ripping demons apart he just be beating the crap out of other characters like any smash character would do

@NEStalgia dont start that excuse saying smash is like all star games which it isnt and doom has been on past nintendo systems and now switch so doomslayer has every right to be on the smash roster like it or not and beside smash need some western game characters in it not just fire emblem characters which alot of smash players are getting tired of seeing.

@OorWullie Couldn't have said it better.
@T7Hokage017 as for the movie, I don't remember anything from it really, only that I thought back then that they should throw it in one of their portals to hell on a moon of Mars and forget about it.
Unless of course... It's a time loop, in which we made a bad movie of humans colonising their home, send it away and forget about it, making them fear us and create an army to defend their home when we do what humans apparently do: go to places, gather resources (living or dead), and kill all opposition (or any life really), labeling them invasive terrorists or harmful pests. While playing victim, claiming their (of the humans) occupation and violently enforced power is "defense", "freedom", "justice", "democracy",...

@RiasGremory I'm not even a big Smash player and I'm kind of tired of the FE overload. I like FE. I enjoy some casual Smash. I credit Smash with getting me into FE. But how many FE characters does a crossover game need?

That being said I think you still miss my point. It's not about if Doom has a long history of being represented on Nintendo platforms, sure it does, all the way back to the original game appearing on SNES, and it's not about Doom therefore having a "right" to be represented in the game.

It's about if the character is appropriate for the identity, feel, and audience that comprises all of Smash. The most we're pushing it is an Assassin's Creed Mii costume. Therefore representing the AC brand without having to represent the technically murderous Altair, Ezio, etc. I could see maybe a tribute of a Doomslayer-armor Mii costume gunner appearing. But not Doomguy/Doomslayer as a full-fledged character.

@T7Hokage017 Movie was pretty bad, but the games are stellar.

I Reeeallllllly Want Doom on Switch
And Doom Protagonist In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate DLC Challenger Packs

I Reeealllllly!!!!!!!!!!! Want Doom on Switch And Doom Protangist In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate DLC Challenger Packs.

Doom Slayer would be an ideal smash fighter. He greatly represents FPS games, has a history on Nintendo, and has the in your face fast fighting style that would make him fit in.
More than a glorified Samus, he could include and aiming mechanic like Inkling or a run and gun mode like banjo. A weapon wheel could be cool but not required as long as they incorporate weapons in his other basic and smash attacks. I would love to see him use some of his new Eternal equipment and new platforming skills like the air dash.

@KnightZero his final smash would be using that new sword that he wields in doom eternal.

@RiasGremory still not part of his character. Also doom guy I think just wont work in third person.

@SmaggTheSmug Exactly. Doom Guy would be perfect for this era of gaming. Everyone know Doom is on the Switch, so why not have that game's hero in SSB?

I would love for Doom Slayer to hit Smash. He’s over the top, ridiculously overpowered and has limitless potential. Bring it on!

@westman98 Bayonetta and Pirhana Plant made sure that anyone can get in. Hopefully he can as well.

@MysteryCupofJoe
Bayonetta and Pirahna Plant aren't known for literally tearing opponents apart in gory gruesome fashion.

I reallllly want Doomslayer In Smash

I am a fan of Doom And I want doom slayer in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

I want Doomslayer in the Game and I know how he gonna Playabe In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate,
Like his Weapon Changing From Doom(2016) Will Be Work a lot of Shulk’s Monardo Arts Changing Moveset and his Pistol can Blast Opponents Like Zero Suit Samus Plasma gun. Once he making Hologram appear into smash he use a Remote Detonater which is kind nah like Link when use a Remote Detonater to Explode his Bombs Moveset that How Doomslayer gonna use it in the game, But he can still be moving like in Doom(2016). An also his Heavy Assault Rifle Micro Missile and Rocket Laucher Lock-on launching Missile would move like the Missiles in Snake’s Final Smash, His Target For Micro Missile and Lock on would move around like Palutena’s Autoreticle, The Target move around like Snake’s Final Smash, His Final Smash Would be BFG 9000, Thats how I imagine his Movesets,
Being a Fighter in Super Smash Bros.Ultimate Series.

@Doomhearf Yes Thats How I can imagine Doomslayer being in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Too, His Chaingun can Shoot Crazy like Bayonetta Shooting Skills But he can Shoot More Like he Does in his Original Games And his Chainsaw Moveset can smash opponents off the screen like Corrin Chainsaw Moveset,The Plasma Rifle’s Stun Bomb Electricity can work like Pikachu’s Shocking but the opponents can stay still like in his original games an also Doom(2016) And His Gauss Cannon Precision Bolt can Break Opponents Shield Like in Doom(2016), His Pistol Charge Blast can work like Zero Suit Samus’s Plasma Gun Charging up an Blast Powerful Attack at the Opponents And Thats More how I Imagine him being in Super Smash Bros. Series.

Yes I Positive want Doomslayer in Smash Ultimate and I agreed too @Farmikaco how Doomslayer Gonna be a Fighter in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

Yes I want Doomslayer in Smash Ultimate DLC Smash Fighter

Yes I Want Doomslayer in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

thats how I see doomslayer being in Smash Too @Farmikaco