As you may well be aware if you regularly read these pages, the Switch has been subject to a number of concerning hacking attempts that could not only harm Nintendo itself thanks to emulation software, but - in some cases - have also been harming other users. It would appear that Nintendo may have taken one crucial step in combatting some of these attempts, however.
Earlier this year it was widely documented that the Switch was "completely compromised" when it comes to security. A hacker who had actually praised the console's security efforts, on the whole, went on to explain that the Switch was vulnerable due to its reliance on Nvidia's Tegra hardware. The exploit is reportedly in the bootrom of a chip which is incapable of being patched via an online update, therefore meaning that the issue could only be addressed manually at console-production level.
The hardware involved doesn't need to be changed, but physical access to the unit is required to fix the issue. Reports are now suggesting that new Switch units are arriving at retailers that have fixed this problem, theoretically preventing people from using the bootrom bug that could be used to run homebrew code and, in turn, emulators.
From the point of view of your average consumer, these new units won't have any impact on your use and enjoyment of the console if they are indeed now on the market. The new systems will still act in exactly the same way as the current models do, and the changes under the hood won't be noticeable at all.
Here's hoping that Nintendo has made a positive step towards securing the Switch once and for all.
[source gonintendo.com]
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I wonder how long before that fix will be hacked into?
Good go Nintendo!!!!
All Nintendo needs to do is replaced the right Joy-Con with a new design where the pins are not exposed. Problem solved. Stability relied on those 10 pins of the Joy-Con, so long as users can't molest them, no hack can be achieved.
Good.
Nicely done Nintendo and even better yet nobody knows since when these new consoles are in the market which is a good way to combat piracy.
Knew this would happen. Every console actually goes through multiple amendments other the hood. I remember the late model Slim PS2’s where the power supply box was moved inside the console.
@Nincompoop
You can hack the Switch without touching the joycon, it's the rail the joycon attaches to where the exploit is done from on the Switch itself. Sure, you can mod a joycon to do the hack but it's as easy as sticking a paper clip in the rail correctly
The switch being hack proof is a good thing, not only for Nintendo but also developers who will know their games are safe from hack on this platform. This would lead to more support for the switch and everyone is happy
nice, now scalpers will appear on ebay selling let me quote : "Pre exploit fix Switch - homebrew and install thousands of games - best console version no more buying games" of course for 499 )
Like it's gonna stop hackers to pimp the Switch with loads of stuffs ? LOL
I'd say that it's gonna make'em want even more to crack totally the Switch.
Hackers are dudes who love that kind of move nintendo just made.
Nintendo wants to extinguish a fire with a bottle of gasoline... lol Come on Ninty...
Borrowed time. They gotta do it, but hackers will discover new vulnerabilities. I hope production planning at Nintendo irons out some of the other commonly discovered hardware weaknesses along with these minor security revisions.
I understand that keeping their own and thirdparties' property safe is of great priority, but it's becoming apparent how the initial unit takes some heavy punishment by players that primarily use the handheld mode.
Cracks seem to systematically appear in certain spots , not unlike what happened with the DSlite. And for frequent play mode switchers, the wrist strap rails are brutally tight on several units I have tried out. Both can be solved in various ways I suspect, but of course it costs money.
At least they solved that easy one with the wireless reception on JoyCon L.
@Morlock5K Those exposed pins on the rail and the Joy-Con can easily be hidden with a new design: like a tiny plastic hatch door that opens when the Joy-Con slides in to make the connection.
Well I think if a console reach a certain level of sales and popularity hacking will not affect it or developers in any meaningful way. For example hacking a 3ds takes you less than 20 minuets, but that console prints money for Nintendo. If Switch pass 25 million sales I think hacking will not affect the economy of the console considerably.
@Nincompoop problem not solved because all the old joycon wont work with it.
@vitelus that's not really gonna work since there are allready 15m+ exploitable Switch es. That is thousands of times more than there are hackers.
by he way, the new Switches cpme with FW 4.1 which is definitely exploitable.
@Nincompoop why redesign part of the system when you can just obtain the newer apu off nVidia that is built to the same specification but block the USB port exploit? The chips will be the newer versions that have already been seen identified in the Switch code a Tegra 214 instead of a Tegra 210.
@Cobalt
Nintendo HAVE to fight back, by law. It can't appear as though they accept people invading their systems, or it will create legal precedence. It's not entirely unlike how a sovereign nation by UN decree must be able to patrols their own borders.
But of course the hackers love the challenge, as you say.
Really, some try to make it sound detrimental to Nintendo that so many out there really want to play their games, that they are putting more money and effort into emulators for Nintendo systems than for the competition, or that hackers are eager to find easy exploits for the firmware.
Most of this just proves once more that Nintendo make very attractive products. But as you say, their efforts to secure their systems after a breach often seem halfhearted anyway. I lost count of how many times the DSi firmware updates were circumvented through simply identifying the flash loaders as some different obscure game on boot.
I have an open repair order for right Joy Con due to extreme right/left direction issues on the stick.
Unfortunately, I don't have access to another Joy Con to test it so they want my system too because 'we need to make sure it is not the system causing issues.'
Guess what dudes? I know that it is only my Joy Cons issue.
May not send it now with the thinking they could just blame the issues on both and give me refurbished ones back.
Could this mean that the 1st version of the switch could possibly be worth more due to it being able to be hacked ?
Why do people want to hack it for? What gain do they get apart from ruining everything for everyone else
I just hate that they have to spend time patching holes in the first place.
@Nincompoop But how do you make the pins inaccessible when the joycon does need to connect to it? That doesn't sound physically avoidable to have a wired/plug in controller (and forcing BT controls in handheld isn't a solution.)
@Dizzy_Boy they likely won't use the same method to get around the security. However that original vulnerability gave hackers a lot of access to the machine, including the os. One vulnerability can lead to another. Which means they will have decryption keys, lock out mechanisms, and so much more art their disposal. It might take another year, but the damage is done.
So all this mean is that we'll end up buying a new Switch without us knowing that it's a new Switch? Well as long as nothing had been change to the actual hardware I don't mind but c'mon Nintendo at the very least add a second kickstand and microSD card slot to the new Switch so we get double the memory and a more stable tabletop experience.
Glad I have a Day 1 Switch.
When the next generation arrives, that's when the current/previous generation gets hacked.
I want to play a lot of old stuff on the go but can't because most companies suck and won't re-release anything. I'm up for buying anything, so long as it is a physical release.
Give me a Konami Klassics NES Kollection
Give me a Konami Klassics GB Kolkection
And so on. Each company should be doing this, and no half arsed half physical and half digital either
It's a bit sad that they only care about this. What about all the issues of the Switch, dock and joycons? They only fixed the Bluetooth problem because people couldn't play.
@retro_player_22 I hope Nintendo stop being afraid of hacking now. And there is more things an SD card could do on the Switch IF Nintendo let it. Their fear of hacking is bad.
Can't wait to see what the internals look like. Though I doubt it, I would be interested to see if they changed anything else for the better or worse. At the very least I suspect components may change suppliers.
I expect there to be a number of very entitled hacking enthusiasts who will take offense to this while spewing some propaganda about the value of stealing video games.
@Dizzy_Boy Till Nintendo releases a whole new model probably.
All these hackers talking about free games and online cheating, all I want is custom music for Smash Ultimate, screw everything else. lol
OH MY GOD!
The right move from Nintendo's point of view. But it wont prevent future hacking. They will always find a way.
I've played my switch nearly everyday since hacking it. It's such a cool little console.
In our country, many people like the console and games that Nintendo creates. But, unfortunately, the price policy of "Big N" does not correspond to the economic reality in the country.
I work as a project manager in a large project of the Internet community. My salary is 8 461 dollars a year (705 dollars a month). This salary is considered average, there are many people whose salary is less.
Price Super Mario Odyssey is 60 dollars. That's 8.5% of my salary. For other people, this figure can be 15-20% of the salary. Think about what things you can buy at 20% of your salary.
It's really a lot. People can not afford to buy a game for the money they need to buy food and clothes for. Unfortunately, many countries with such a standard of living. Unfortunately, piracy will thrive in them.
None of us (almost) blame Nintendo for such game prices. But N should understand that if they are not interested in local pricing policies, they should be prepared for piracy in these regions and low sales.
@rames05 I get where your coming from, and I have sympathy for people in the situation you describe or worse. Your post is purely an explanation though, not a justification, right?
I don’t think it’s a valid justification at all, but I don’t think you intended it to be
@vitelus Actually eBay removes most listings that have any mention of CFW or anything of the sort that relates to hacking / pirating for the Vita and very well will do the same for the Switch.
@luke88 Of course, I do not want to justify piracy.
But even not wealthy people can not entertain themselves only by reading Dostoevsky. They also want to play, relax after a hard day, fall into the magical world of Mario and Zelda.
I do not justify any of the pirates. It's just a fact: unfortunately, economic inequality breeds injustice to rights holders.
Sorry for the philosophy)
@Cobalt So, what would you have Nintendo do, nothing? Should they just give up and let them do whatever they want?
Nintendo is in its right and obligated to fight back in any way they see fit.
Why do you lock your home's door when you go out? Anyone who wants to break in will probably do it anyway so, why bother?
@Heavyarms55 It is not the right move from Nintendo's point of view. It is the right move, period. That it won't stop hackers into finding a different way doesn't mean Nintendo should do nothing about it.
@rames05 So you basically telling me that because a Ferrari is too highly priced and I can't afford one, it's acceptable if I try to steal one?
Food and water are basic necessities, games are not. A game is a luxury that if you can't afford, you just don't buy it.
I'm no telling you that I'm OK with games being expensive, what I'm telling you if that I'm not OK with justifying theft because they are expensive.
@maruse
Did you really read my comments carefully?
I'm NOT justifying a pirate.
I only say that it exists, because the world economy is uneven. If you did not know, by the end of 2017, half of the world's money is concentrated in just one percent of the world's population. This is a VERY uneven distribution. With this distribution, violations of the law become a fact. Have you watched "Elysium"? )
@rames05 I'm not accusing you personally OK? So, don't take it that way.
I'm saying that saying piracy is a thing because games are expensive is a way of justifying it, isn't it? That's not make it OK anyway.
Also, the distribution of money in the world is totally wrecked, yes, but that has nothing to do with Nintendo in the least, and don't justify theft. Like I said, if someone is forced to steal food from the market to feed his kids, I'll understand that and even defend him, but someone stealing a game is not in the same league. There's no justification for that.
Please, don't mix the two because poverty and game piracy are different subjects.
@maruse
I don't see why you talk about my door when I go out and compare it with what Nintendo is doing !
My door is closed since the 1st day I'm where I live.
Nintendo rushed the Switch (which is basically just an Nvidia Shield rebodied btw) and they let " their door " wide open...
So, 1 year 1/2 after the launch, they get that their system is vulnerable even by a kid of 5... This is not serious...
So for me, it was better to let it the way it was because A LOT OF PEOPLE never heard about that possibility to hack the Switch, NOW THEY ALL KNOW.... :/
And trust me, hackers will find a way to crack the Switch again in no time...
Basically Nintendo has made "a commercial" to announce to the entire world that you can run pirate games and emulators on the system... :/
@Cobalt It's just an analogy. You lock your door to protect your stuff. Nintendo releasing a revision of the hardware is doing the same thing: protecting their stuff.
""Nintendo rushed the Switch (which is basically just an Nvidia Shield rebodied btw) and they let "their door " wide open...""
Was that hardware bug known when the Switch was being developed? Or was it found recently? (Honest question, I don't know)
""Basically Nintendo made "a commercial" to announce the entire world that you can run pirate games and emulators on the system... :/""
and how's so? I don't see how Nintendo made any "advertising"
Hackers and people actively looking to pirate games were aware because they were actively looking for that kind of stuff.
The "normal" people knew about it because general information sites, like this very site, were the ones advertising it.
But, honestly, I really don't understand how can you be against Nintendo trying to protect its property. It's the obvious, right, and legal thing to do.
Edited: I don't know how to get quotes working properly... I wrapped them like this ""..."" for clarity(?)
@maruse
My point was that if Nintendo was serious from the start and didn't rush the Switch launch, they would have made all the security test before that launch. Meaning, they would have seen the problem.
Now, the entire world talks about "Nintendo is making a revision of the Switch BECAUSE it's hackable."
Even one of my neighbours talked to me about that and trust me, he is not a hardcore gamer, just a guy who only has a NES mini...
He has made a "funny" analogy with the 1st Playstation to me. I said "wow that's cool, it reminds me my youth when I bought my PSX BECAUSE we could run pirate games..."
I don't know if I'm clear or not but it's sad to see a "non real gamer" interested now by the Switch BECAUSE he knows about the hack which he never knew the existence before...
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