Panic Button Is Porting Online Co-Op Hit Warframe To Nintendo Switch

Alright! This game is the definition of Free to Play done right. There is incentive to purchase the micro-transactions but nothing manipulative and with a good base game package.

Isn't for everyone, but I implore anyone and everyone to try it.

Can't say I was expecting this. Was personally hoping Panic Button would port something like FF15 or Fallout, but this is cool too. Another popular online shooter on Switch can only be a good thing.

This is really great news! I really hope we start seeing a flow of great announcements soon, even if it would be mostly ports and remasters.

Funny how you guys post fast 10% of the time.

If you never played it before, i definitely recommend it. Its an awesome game and its free!
Also it looks really good

This was not even one of the games I had considered for Panic Button's port announcement.

Agreed with all the positive people: this is a great game, and a great addition to the Switch library.

No interest whatsoever, and I won't deny that I'm more than a little disappointed, but I'm happy for the people excited about this.

Y E S !!!!

This game is tons of fun. Super happy about this!

Another victory for Nintendo, Switch gamers, Digital Extremes and Panic Button!

Holy poop this is what I was hoping would some day come to Switch and now it's Panic button handling the game?! This is also announced on my bday so yay for me!

Meh.

@ilikeike square would have to ask them to port it but we know companies like them rather do it themselves

Looks good. Although I was hoping for Doom Eternal.

Not what I was hoping for from them. Wish this was Bioshock or Fallout......

I'm disappointed it turned out to be a game that's not for me, but it's a great addition to Switch's library.

This will be bad if Nintendo start payed online but doesn’t improve its features.

Oh my god...

I almost can't believe this is real. I actually thought it physically impossible to port this for the switch due to how large maps are and how much stuff happens constantly when playing co-op.

And for those that don't know about Warframe, it's a Third Person Shooter action game based around looting and sci-fi lore. Think Destiny, but with more grind and Waaaay more content.

The gist of it is you play as one of 40-ish different characters called "frames", each with their own set of 4 skills that demand radically different play styles. Also adding on top of this is a complex Warframe + Weapon enhancement system based around cards. Levels are semi dynamically generated and based around multiple game modes like defense, infiltration (stealth), extermination and rare gear hunts. And while levels can be huge, the fact all characters are capable of crazy parkour makes it feel like you're always controlling some kind of badass space ninja. Not to mention the lore is pretty fantastic overall.

It's F2P on PC but don't be fooled, it's so good it almost puts paid games like Destiny to shame in some areas. One particularly strong suit of Warframe is how much they listen to it's player base. Oh, and despite being F2P, there is ZERO content locked behind a paywall. Just know that if you start playing now and open the store, don't be surprised if everything seems to cost platinum (the in game real world currency), 90% of all current Warframe players know that's there only for the ultra impatient people, since all the content can 100% be earned through free means. And the grind isn't even that bad thanks to how much variety the game has.

Can't complain about another game that looks pretty good. Never got this for my Xbox One, and didn't realize it was so old.

I always viewed this game as the multi-platform version of Destiny. It's not for me, but it's great for the Switch!

@DarkLloyd I'm well aware of that, but given that Square has seemed desperate to get FF15 onto Switch somehow I thought it was fairly likely that they'd ask Panic Button. I guess not though.

I know very little about this game. Just watched so gameplay videos on YouTube and read some reviews from its original release. Have to say, it’s got me excited. Very much look forward to a shooter I can play co-op missions in. I have been enjoying Fortnite but sometimes I just feel like joining up with friends to take down some cpu bad guys in structured missions. Think this will be the first game on Switch to offer that type of gameplay.

Alright! Looking forward to more of these well-thought-out properly budgeted F2P titles on the Switch.

Panic Button is one busy studio. If Warframe launches this winter on Switch, that means they will have ported 4 games to the Switch in around a year.

Well, I'm interested. I sometimes get a tad turned off by free-to-play games but from what I hear, this is seen as one of the most fair free-to-play games out there and is totally playable without spending a single cent, which is awesome Loving the space ninja theme here

Saw that on the TennoLive stream. A lot of very exciting announcements, and as someone who has been wholey obsessed with this game for the past several months, I'm glad that other people here will be able to enjoy it as I have.

With that said, Panic Button is in for quite the endevour. It's a massive game now, with lots of moving parts layered atop another. It's not a super-buggy game or anything, but I'm curious as to how they'll handle the port, especially with all the new content they just announced - two of which are practically entire games slapped on! I mean, I'm looking forward to the next cinematic quest the most, since the story has been surprisingly good so far, but that spaceship mode they just showed looks like hardly anything else in the game right now, and the new open world area looks genuinely huge!

Well, I certainly wish them the best of luck, and I look forward to welcoming all the new Tenno that arrive via the Switch.

...in Spirit, at least. I'm a PS4 player. Sony's got my account held hostage just as bad as the Paladins and Fortnite players.

Pan!c Button are fast becoming THE goto studio for games that shouldn't work on the Switch.
Congrats to them and I look forward to anything announced by them in the future.
Oh BTW, I will now use the exclamation mark to replace the i in Sw!tch since these guys are owning it atm.

Not really that excited but ok. I was hoping for something else but...ok.

This will indefinitely be better than the PS4 version ;V

was hoping for Fallout, but warframe is a actually a very respectable game too

This is my favourite PS4 game. I have been playing it for 3 years, and it's simply amazing. If you like hack n' slash, 3rd person shooters, or simply good games with fun agmeplay this game i worth a shot. I was expecting for this to happen!

Cool!

i doubt thats the big big that panic button is working on for switch since their suppose to be revealing it at the end of the month.

decent game, nowhere near those unrealistic guesses like GTA V, Doom Ethernal and Fallout76

didn't expect warframe to be announced for switch. thats pretty cool!

For a system that isnt a good fit for online games... switch keeps getting online games. Perhaps some of those devs that vetoed the switch last year will re-evaluate this year and next?

A little sad that all of switches big surprise announcements are f2p online multiplayer games on a portable console that can't play these games anywhere..... But otoh they're all big deal games and generally good ones as far as f2p goes, so it's good for the platform overall.

@ilikeike square enix built and entire studio internally just for switch projects. To soon to bear fruit yet but I'm guessing that's a big priority pilot project to get the internal switch team up to standard. Old game by the time it comes out, but they do have to deal with dq as well.

Not a game I'm interested in, but after getting Doom and Wolfenstein 2 I can't complain. I'm sure Panic Button will make it work great.

@Giygas_95 wat im hearing from other gamers on ign its worth playing.

Not my cup of tea, but this is still pretty cool. Panic Button is pretty awesome, they've been delivering some quality ports and a decent number of them at that.

Not something that’s for me I don’t think but I’ll certainly give it a spin on release.

Holy cow, the game now has space battles, and it's still free.

That's not Kingdom Hearts 3

YES! I am a space ninja.

I am very excited about this. I played for a few hundred hours on ps4 when it launched. Great free to play system . You can make great in game money selling rare drops but I still enjoyed it so much I spent like 40 bucks just go support the devs

I know it's really unlikely given that iD have since rebooted the franchise, but I would really love Doom 3: BFG Edition on Switch.

Played some of it on PS4, it seems quite interesting. Now that I won't have to stream it, I might just dedicate more time to it.

@CanisWolfred I was able to use my account on Xbox one and I started as a ps4 player

@NEStalgia I'd assumed that the new Switch division would be focused on making new/exclusive games like Octopath, but I suppose that they could work on ports as well. There's so many Square games I'd love to see on Switch, and seeing as they're apparently struggling with getting DQXI on Switch I'd just prefer that they let Panic Button or other third parties do the big port jobs.

Well what a coincidence! I just DLed this game on my Xbox One but since I don't have LIVE, I can only play this few weeks during my free trial. Well, I guess I can Switch consoles and play it for cheaper or even for free if my feelings are right about Nintendo Online services. 😁

But the real question is will this be capped at 30 or 60fps?
Doom and Wolfenstein worked so well at 30fps for single player campaign , and after playing paladins at 60fps, well I'm spoiled with 60 fps lol. Looks like a cool game either way , very interested . Love seeing the panic button logo pop up for switch games , they've done Great work so far .

@ilikeike i figure the goal is new games but a port isfa good place to cut their teeth on the platform. Since it would be cheaper than sending it out.

Dqxi.... That thing must have an awful code base. Seems like it runs terrible on ps4 pro. I pity whoever has to port it to switch

Another F2P shooter? I guess I will try it. I would have hoped for something like a Final Fantasy or Fallout title.

@NEStalgia DQ has never really been the most graphically impressive series, so it doesn't surprise me if they had issues with it when they actually tried to push the visuals. I understand that it'll be difficult to cram it onto Switch...but they probably shouldn't have announced it three frickin' years ago if they were going to have so much trouble with it!

Regardless, hopefully Square can normalize their switch development schedule soon via ports or otherwise.

@DownRightSam Really? If so, maybe it works differently for Warframe. I just figured it was thing with all PS4 games. I certainly couldn't get my Hi-Rez stuff transferred to PC...but I never really had a reason to try Warframe on PC...

EDIT:

I looked it up to verify, and...you can't transfer accounts, so...I dunno if you made a new account or not, but I have put too much time and money into my PS4 Warframe account to abandon it now and start over. Unless things change by the time the Switch version comes out, I'll have to just stick to talking about it with people on the forums. It's a complicated game, anyways...

woah! cool!

(never heard of this game before <_< )

@Giygas_95 @Camilla It really is. If you have the chance to give it a shot, please consider it. It might me overwhelming at first because there's really a lot of content to tackle and not so much information directly from the game, but if you look at videos on youtube and do it at your own pace instead of being pressured by someone that rushes you through the content, you'll still catch up fast or at least you'll enjoy it so much that you won't mind the time spent. You'll be running in the walls and doing awesome acrobatics while making headshots in no time.

In my opinion, "Beginners guide 2018" is a good video to know where to start.

@roy130390 Yeah, Warframe is allergic to tutorials. Moreso than a "beginner's guide", I'd just recommend bookmarking the Wiki and looking things up as you get to it, because there's a lot to it. It's just a game that has been designed as the devs went, and they haven't had time to go back and redo the early quests to make them more relevent to what Warframe is now. Even the starter Warframes don't have comprehensive ability information in-game (Mag is a terrible starter frame just because of how complicated her abilities are, IMO, and I only recently figured out that Excalibur's Radial Blind works on Sentients despite them otherwise being status-immune, thanks to the Sacrifice necessitating Blind spam). For me at least, I don't think I could've gotten that far without it, though I didn't really get into a decent clan until a few days ago.

Haven't read all the comments so if this has already been posted sorry- I just did a search for Warframe on the NA eshop and it popped up but with a TBD release date.

@CanisWolfred Nice, I didn't know you played it mate! Yeah, the Wiki is a nice option but I tend to choose videos as recommendation at least for the "introduction" since they show the awesome gameplay of the game, which was what hooked my friends and myself.

@Syntaxkita Well, in my opinion I think that most Switch owners simply tend to prefer portability over all of the other features, even combined. If I was able to transfer my 3 years old PS4 account, I would choose to play on Switch too, simply because I find more comfortable to be able to be in my bed or play it anywhere.

About it being grindy, it certainly, is, just as with any MMO, but this one is more like "play to have fun and grind at the same time" than "grind to get something to actually start having fun" than most of these games do in my opinion.

Wow, that's pretty cool. I played quite a bit of this on PC but would probably grind through this again if I can remember what all the crap does in this game.

I guess this officially means no Wolfenstein Youngbloods on Switch, which I'm kind of disappointed by. This game should be good for the Switch though too.

@Syntaxkita Haha I'll be honest, I almost always connect my handhelds, specially playing online so I forget that kind of stuff. It certainly isn't a deal breaker for me, but it could be to others. I do have t say that I would still bet that that most, or at least many would even ignore that too, but that's just speculation of course.

@ilikeike I heard that Square has set aside an in-house team - or something like that - for doing Switch games, so I doubt they would outsource their stuff to any other 3rd party developer.

Damn, I'm completely uninterested in F2P. Sorry, Panic Button. Still love you guys.

Not something I'll immediately jump on, but it's free so looks like it's worth a try.

Well that is disappointing. If this is a "Major Switch port" we in trouble 😒

@roy130390 True, I guess that's a good point. I still remember watching a few videos and not really "getting it", but was still intrigued. Mostly because it was compared to Destiny, but with much better mechanics and certainly more content. It already has a few mission types that feel like entire games were grafted to it, and more were recently announced. Videos will certainly help, but there's just so much ground to cover even right off the bat that I could see it as being easily overwhelming...though, that's what got me hooked. It's just got a lot to do, and I found most of it fun to do.

Only thing I'll say is that Kuva missions are still a pain because they explain absolutely nothing about how to do it. It wouldn't be so bad if the Lotus actually gave you a hint instead of gawking...I know what to do now, but a lot of times I'll get into groups that haven't figured it out yet, and I don't have time to explain it...

Yayy I'm looking forward to this!!

I’m reading more positive reactions that bad ones... it is always nice to see free to play games and the level of graphics seems to be great. Happy for this!

I have no interest in shooters but seems like this is a great pickup for the Switch.

Good that they are open to other publishers too. I'm still keeping my fingers cross for a Switch Eternal Doom port.

Heck yeah thanks Panic Button for the Nintendo Switch support.

@ilikeike given se does ff, Deus ex, freaking tomb raider, id have thought they would have talent to get a game that looks like an enhanced ps2 game running more than 15-30fps on a ps4pro . They're redoing ffxv in ue4. Dqxi certainly can't be using something so universal.

@agramonte technically these f2p games reach a bigger audience than retail games, so it is a major port even if it's not what we were looking for. Then again a friend of mine whose as hardcore and old school as you get, i keep seeing his xbl profile notify me he's playing Warframe..... I've been curious even though mmo f2p isn't my thing since if it's that engrosing to him, there must be something to it. Then again he got sucked into wow and i NEVER saw that coming.

Not what I would have hoped for ,but a great addition to the switch library of games regardless

Hummm, is this thingy one of the big announcements Reggie was talking about ? o_O

A F2P ? Again a port of an old game blablabla... ? The same story again and again... ?

The Switch lost its identity since almost a year... I never saw from the NES to now, a Nintendo system with such loss of image...

The NES, the SNES, the N64, the NGC, the Wii and the Wii U have a really strong identity. The Switch is like a vaccum of old identities mixed together to create a souless stuff in between a smartphone's and chinese emulation system's librairy. :/

It's like the most important is to have WHATEVER stuffs on the switch but have it !

Happy to have kingdom Battle and soon Octopath Traveler on my Switch. At least those two titles give a beginning of an identity to the Switch's librairy...

Great news this is a good game

...I guess? That’s not what I had in mind when they said “major”, I’m gonna be honest.

Still not getting Smash Online though.

Let's hope this will look great and run at good resolution (640p in portable and above) at 60fps considering this is a way lighter game than Rocket League is (a 10 year old PC can run this without issues).

@NEStalgia Well, that is because it is free. Take that away and It is nothing special really - one of the first games I deleted when my PS4 started running out of space.

Just like every other F2P game on PS4 you don't need a Playstation Plus subscription to play it online ... so it keeps a community going

Also wonder if they contracted long term - because this thing gets patched like crazy

Great news! Panic Button is on fire!
Another free online co-op is always more than welcome!

Really not what I had hoped for from Panic Button

Looks like i'll give Warframe a go then.

It's strange, I'm playing games on Switch I would never consider playing normally, despite owning a powerful PC and all consoles.

As a side note, does Warframe have cross platform support? It seems like it would be a good title to support it on Switch.

Two friends of mine love this game, so having it on Switch will be that extra push they need to consider Switch a perfect console.

It's great news but I don't think this is the game that Panic Button was referring to when they said something was going to be announced.
It sounded to me that it would be a game from Bathesda.

Was always curious about this game.

If its co-op and I can play with my bro online then ya, I'm probably interested

Never heard of this game and know nothing about it.

@CanisWolfred maybe I'm misrenembering. I guess I'm starting over on switch lol. Oh well, I'm sure it's changed a lot since I played

Wait... this isn’t Fallout.

@westman98 Adam Creighton of Panic Button said they've been working on the Switch hardware for 6 years. Before the Wii U even launched which I find incredible. Outside of Nintendo they probably know the hardware better than anybody so it's no surprise they're able to port games so quickly and get them looking so good.

This was one of the first games I played on PS4. I really loved it, but haven't touched it in a long while. This announcement will make me pick it back up for sure.

that's cool I'm excited to try it out

I just hope, that it has gyro aiming and local wireless co-op!

Co-op with own screens for each player is a killer feature to me and with gyro aiming would easily make this the ultimate version.

@Cobalt Apart from the absurdity of continuing to claim Switch only has two games which count, when you claim the Wii U had a strong identity you lose all credibility. It had no identity whatsoever.

@PanurgeJr

I don't say it's a UNIVERSAL TRUTH !
I said what I THINK !

Xenoblade X is Wii U game.
The Wonderful 101 is a Wii U game.
Bayonetta 2 is a Wii U game.
Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze is a Wii U game.
Super Mario 3D World is a Wii U game.
Captain Toad Treasure Tracker is a Wii U game.
Zelda Breath of the Wild is a Wii U game.
Yoshi's Wooly World is a Wii U game.
Splatoon is a Wii U game.
Monster Hunter Ultimate is a Wii U game.
Hyrule WARRIORS is a Wii U game.
Super Mario Maker is a Wii U game.
Project Zero V is a Wii U game.
Kirby and the rainbow paintbrush is a Wii U game.
Tokyo Mirage Session is a Wii U game.
Zombi U is a Wii U game.
Paper Mario Color Splash is a Wii U game.
Lego City Undercover is a Wii U game.
Mario Kart 8 is a Wii U game.
Pikmin 3 is a Wii U game.
Super Smash Bros for WiiU is a Wii U game.
Pokken Tournament is a Wii U game.
etc...
With only those EXCLUSIVES, I think that yeah, the Wii U have a real identity compare to the Switch...
I even don't talk about the fantastic Eshop compare to the crappy Switch one.
You like it or not, but the asymetric possibilities give even more identity to the system from my perspective.

So, yeah I THINK that the Wii U have more identity than the Switch.
I don't want to convince anybody, just my thoughts...

Free
Co-op
Third person shooter
Panic Button
gyro aim?
All right, you had my attention at any of these.

@OorWullie
Yep. There are 4 developers on Switch:
1) Nintendo
2) Indies
3) Japanese companies
4) Panic Button

But I do find Panic Button's statements a bit weird. The Tegra X1 chip was officially revealed and released in 2015 alongside the first Nvidia Shield. There's no way Panic Button has been working with the Switch hardware for 6 years unless they were involved with the development of the Tegra X1 pre-2015.

Damn, so this is the "other major port" PB been working on for Switch. Was hoping for Fallout of some kind.

Dear Panic Button, we need more AAA single player experiences on the go! Please choose something like that next time. Wolfenstein is superb and you guys are doing an awsome job with the Switch ports. Thank you for the experiences and I'm looking forward to the next game you will announce (in not too long I hope.)!

I don't think I've seen this game before, but it certainly looks stylish. I hope it finds its crowd on Switch. Looking forward to seeing just how well Panic Button pulls it off tech wise on this one.

Didn’t bother with this on ps4 about 4 years ago.

@Cobalt

I agree 100%. I’m a Nintendo fan as well but it’s just reality the lack of identity

@Cobalt Dude, just stop. First of all, many of those games aren't exclusive, and not just because they've been ported to the Switch. ZombiU and Lego City are multiplat, and Pokken and Hyrule Warriors exist as Tekken and Musou elsewhere. And the Switch eShop blows the Wii U eShop out of the water. Even more than Nintendo's games, most of the indie games worth playing have been ported, whereas there are many games that never appeared on the Wii U worth downloading on your Switch.

If you don't like the Switch, fine. But the reasons you give aren't valid explanations, let alone reasons I should agree with you.

@PanurgeJr

Don't want to talk with people like you who don't even take the time to read and to understand...

I respect the fact that you're not agree with me but be a little adult please, you have to accept that me and some other dudes think different than you...

I repeat AGAIN what I said : "I THINK that the Wii U have more identity than the Switch.
I don't want to convince anybody, just my thoughts... "

PERIOD.

Panic Button is on a role. I wonder if they are a publicly traded company. Seems to me like a wise investment.

@Mgene15

Be careful my friend, there are some kidos here who don't accept that you think like that... So, better to think like the masses if you know what I mean...

@Agramonte It's changed a lot over the years, FYI. It's a free game that offers more content than some modern AAA $60 games, and I don't feel that I'm exaggerating in the slightest. It's not perfect, but it'd be a major endeavor for Panic Button, to say the least.

@Cobalt So what you're saying is...you've created a fantasy for yourself, and you want to share it with us, but at the same time, you don't want it criticised? Okay. I mean, I don't see what any of what you've stated, from the Wii U having more of an Identity than the Nintendo Switch, based on criteria that only seems to exist in your head (The Wii U had a public image problem, but that is clearly not what you're basing it on, otherwise you'd be saying something we could easily refute just by comparing advertisements and sales, instead of something that is purely your own opinion), somehow connects with this announcement of a port of a Free-to-Play game that you're clearly not interested in...

@Cobalt I took the time to read what you wrote (well, some of it; you've been commenting so much I don't see how you have time to play games), and I understand it. You don't like the Switch--which is a perfectly valid opinion. You don't think it offers enough new content to distinguish it from the Wii U--which I can see, even though I disagree. You think that means the Switch lacks identity--that's simply untrue, and not something that can be justified as mere opinion. The Switch's identity is what the Wii U's should have been, had Nintendo decided what they wanted it to be. But they never could, so the market couldn't respond to it, and the result was the spectacular rejection of the console.

You also contradict yourself. You gave a list of games which you say give the Wii U identity. But most of them are also on Switch, yet you say they don't give it identity. It can't be both. Either they add value to both consoles or neither. Either they're worth playing on both consoles or neither. A good game is a good game, regardless of platform.

@CanisWolfred you think that - some do not.

I was not downloading and playing F2P Warframe on my PS4 when top quality $60 games were out on my Switch.

Somebody says "major port"... A F2P game does not pop in my head - on any system.

@sgarcia-dev Pretty cool description. You have my interest piqued.

@ilikeike Where did you get that impression? Square doesn't want mainline Final Fantasy on the Switch. There hasn't been a mainline Final Fantasy game on a Nintendo platform since VI. Why would they change their stance now?

@westman98 You guys don't play enough jRPGs. NIS America has like over 15 games for the Switch:
https://store.nisaeurope.com/collections/switch-1
I think the 6 years thing is to denote that they have a lot of experience compared to other developers. 6 years is a gaming generation so they are trying to denote the fact that they've been working with Nintendo for about a generation.

@Cobalt Nintendo rehashes their franchises every generation. Name me one console of theirs that doesn't?
Some say the Switch is a Wii U 2.0 but I would argue that its more a GameBoy 3.0. Its more of an evolution of the GameBoy line then a Wii U done right.

At least try to give better examples.

Also its one years worth of content vs 5 years. I own a Wii U btw (several in fact) and have been following the Switch since Day 1 and the Switch wins hand down.

I took the time to go through your games list and prove a point:
Xenoblade Chronicles is Wii game.
The Wonderful 101 is based on Viewtiful Joe a GameCube/PS2 game by PlatinumGames.
Donkey Kong Country is SNES old.
Super Mario 3D World isn't earth shatteringly new.
Yoshi's Wooly World isn't a new IP. There was Kirby's Epic Yarn before it on the Wii.
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is a Wii U port but the series has been around forever.
Pikmin is a GameCube game.
Super Smash Bros first arrived on the N64.
Pokken Tournament is really Pokémon Stadium and Tekken.
Kirby and the Rainbow Paintbrush is another Kirby game.
Paper Mario also first arrived on the N64 and is based of the SNES game Mario RPG.

So what identity are you talking about?

"Bayonetta 2 is a Wii U game."
Based of an older IP which almost died. It is a Platinum Game and isn't Nier: Automata. Bayonetta 3 is also coming to the Switch but Meh.
"Captain Toad Treasure Tracker is a Wii U game."
A great platformer I'll give you that one but again not that unique.
"Zelda Breath of the Wild is a Wii U game."
BotW isn't anything new. It arguably not even the best Zelda game as people claim it to be. The Wii U had 3 Zelda's. 2 of them were HD ports.
"Splatoon is a Wii U game."
The first new IP you've listed.
"Monster Hunter Ultimate is a Wii U game."
Monster Hunter has been around for some time and have been on the PSP and 3DS. The Wii U games are 3DS ports of 3 and 4 Ultimate.
"Hyrule WARRIORS is a Wii U game."
A hack and slash Warriors games. We're not even getting the mainline Warriors games anymore.
"Super Mario Maker is a Wii U game."
Okay, that's a second one.
"Project Zero V is a Wii U game."
Fatal Frame was originally a PlayStation series.
"Tokyo Mirage Session is a Wii U game."
That one is one of those special generational crossovers that was bound to happen. Its based of Shim Megami Tensei and Fire Emblem...neither of which we got on the Wii U (without going into Virtual Console).
"Zombi U is a Wii U game."
An its by Ubisoft designed for the Wii U.
"Lego City Undercover is a Wii U game."
Okay, that got ported to the PS4 and XBOX One and Nintendo Switch.

So totally, you have like 4-6 games on the Wii U that was unique.
That's like one game a year for the Wii U.

The Switch already has:
-Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle
-Octopath Traveler (which I'm not a fan of)
-ARMS (also not a fan off)
-Nintendo Labo
-DragonQuest Builders (also a PS3 title)
-Seasons of Heaven (Yes, an odd ball but an exclusive)
-Daemon X Machina (2019, which looks like its going to be amazing)
-and other amazing third party the Wii U can only dream off.

Did I mention the third party?
The Switch has more of an identity then the Wii U especially when it comes to third party.

Does the Wii U have:
-South Park: The Fractured But Whole
-Ys VIII
-Wonder Boy: The Dragon’s Trap
-Super Bomberman R
-Disgaea 5 and 1 Complete
-Valkyria Chronicles 4
How about Doom and Wolfenstein II, L.A. Noire, Rocket League?

Yes, the Wii U also had some third party but it was even more restricted then the Switch and mostly famed western franchises like Mass Effect 3 (Didn't even get the first two).

Also as I stated before did the Wii U get a Fire Emblem? No. A Metroid? Okay it got a Trilogy remix.

Warframe is another win for the Switch. Just as Fornite, Paladin and Arena of Valor was.

The Switch still has 5 years to go to prove itself. I would say that comparing Apples to Oranges (in other words comparing it to the iPad) it is by no means a successful product. The iPad sells 4x as much.
The Wii U also proved itself but failed more so then it succeed.

@Retsam They've stated multiple times that they want FFXV on Switch.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-09-20-square-enix-is-trying-to-get-full-fat-final-fantasy-15-on-the-switch

They've even considered moving the entire game to Unreal Engine to get it to run better on Switch, so that's why I thought they might bring in a studio like Panic Button to help out. Of course that doesn't seem to be the case now.

Given that Final Fantasy is no longer a PS exclusive franchise it wouldn't surprise me if they put some mainline games on a Nintendo platform eventually.

@ilikeike You really believe those stories? That's just market hype to get people to continue to support Square Enix while they "struggle" to get FF15 to go on the Switch. I wouldn't pick that game as my first game to port if I was Square Enix.
Also, I've more or less moved on from Final Fantasy anyway. I never felt it was that "great" to being with but yeah.

I would honestly rather them port over Star Ocean (series really went downhill), Deus Ex, Life Is Strange, Sleeping Dog, Drakengard, etc make more (and make them available on the Switch), Tomb Raider, Parasite Eve and SaGa titles. Hopefully, get a new Lufia as well. Oh and the Mana series.

Then there's a Nier: Automata which I really want on the Switch...but not likely going to happen because of Square Enix policies.
Oh and revive Psychic Force. That was an awesome title.

@Agramonte Then keep in mind that "major" has a lot of different meanings, especially if its from the perspective of a company. For a developer, this could mean a lot of work for them, regardless of how popular it is.

Of course, there could still be a 4th game in the works, as others have pointed out. Just figured I'd offer a different pont of view. I often find that can help massage the sting that comes from disappointment.

@Retsam Yes, I do believe those stories...to an extent. I believe that there are efforts to get FFXV on Switch, but I don't think Square is doing much of the heavy lifting. If DQXI is any indication, Square isn't particularly adept at Switch ports. Most likely there's just a Nintendo representative calling Square every other day trying to get them to port FFXV by any means necessary.

Even if you don't like Final Fantasy you can't deny that XV would be a massive get for Nintendo. It would show that Switch is capable of triple-AAA multiplats, and it would be yet another huge JRPG franchise on Switch.

At the end of the day Square is a company that likes money, and the Switch has already shown that there's a very lucrative market for big JRPG's--even a niche title like Xenoblade 2 sold more than a million copies. Just imagine how much a more mainstream JRPG like Final Fantasy would sell. It could only be a good thing for both Square and Nintendo.

@CanisWolfred

Wow, that's an awesome way to think : " Heyyy guyzzz, that stuff sells like cupcakes so it's better because it sells so good ! "

Do you know that justin Bieber sells albums by MILLIONS ?
So, if I apply your way of thinking to that, yeah Justin Bieber is by essence, a great artist...

It's really difficult to talk with people who have a so young mentality...

@CanisWolfred I hear you. This game gets patches and updates all the time - so could be a good long term gig for them.

Im getting my JRPGs - so this was just not my turn 😅

@ilikeike Well sure, none of what you said is wrong but in this day and ages I've given up on massive ports that aren't even that great anyway.
Every generation Nintendo fans say the same things. One of which is "Its a big win to get this third party onboard"....but for what and for how long?
Its like they want their favourite platform to sell through the roof which I get that because I've been there but at what expense?
A lot of fans just hope Nintendo will just serve its niche and be done with that. Every 5 years they're trying to find a new niche in this large blue ocean and it can be frustrating to keep up.
Nintendo isn't even about massive games these days but rather spinoff of massive franchises. Everything they do is about marketing this new niche they've discovered. If people look hard enough they will find that there's never a non-essential Nintendo console because of that reason.
Going back to your point, its a big win but a big lost at the same time since Nintendo fans tend to miss out on a lot of titles. We shouldn't even be talking about Final Fantasy being ported to the Switch in the first place. It should just be normal business as usual like your FIFA and CoD. The latter which appeared on the Wii and now they've stopped getting since CoD Ghosts on the Wii U. Same deal or story there.
With porting, graphics is rarely an issues, if you could port to the Wii in the first place. Its marketing to see if it fits the platform and its audience and that particular side of the blue ocean they've just have discovered. Its like introduce a species to a specific ecosystem. Its got to fit for it risks falling all apart and/or killing off other species already there. Which is why its a pain to heard that developers have not considered a certain game for the Switch or are so called "opened" to opportunity because it means they have other plans in mind.

@ilikeike That aside, it also has to do with that none of the third parties takes Nintendo seriously or can because they constantly change. They're hard to develop for and best left alone.

A massive title that will sell say 10 million easily will not likely appear on the Switch for one reason, cartridges are expensive. Even at $1 for a 64GB cartridges, I'm going to have to pay up 10 million dollars if my game were to sell that many copies and I don't think any third party is willing to do that upfront.

Thus, most likely I'll want to market a game that can be advertised through either quicker burst marketing or smaller drip marketing.
In other words, I'll rather a smaller AA title that take time to warm up to an audience or an A title that will get people on the hype train quickly and abruptly because its expensive to develop some AAA that does both.

@PanurgeJr

I'm working on my PC, morning, afternoon, evening and a big part of the night so that's why I can reply so easily if you wanna know.

I like the Switch so you're wrong about me...
I think you're really younger than me because the way you understand my words means that there is a problem of generation.

Pointing what is bad, doesn't mean that you don't like ! I'd say even the opposite... Or you think that's better to lie or at least to not see what's wrong ?

I'm just straight to the point : Did the Switch deserved all that hype it got in 2017? Yes it derserves it.
Do the Switch deserves it since 2018 ? ABSOLUTLY NOT !

The concept is cool but there are so much troubles that I refuse to be blind... That's all...

And to conclude because I need to work on my game, You misunderstand the concept of IDENTITY.

A question to make you think with probably more nuance :

If tomorrow Justin Bieber would do an album with all the best songs of mickael Jackson ( It's a mind game ok ? ), what would you say ?
That the identity of those tunes is related to Bieber or that is the identity of Jackson ?

Just think about it because saying that all the Wii U games ported to the Switch are not the identity of the Wii U anymore... IT'S A NONSENSE !

Hope you'll understand what I mean because my english is very limited and I cannot express myself as good as I could with my mother tongue.

PEACE.

@Cobalt I'm not sure if you got to my reply yet but most of the Wii U titles you listed were not Wii U exclusive.

"That the identity of those tunes is related to Bieber or that is the identity of Jackson?" First both of them are pop music but that asides, It'll be related to Justin Bieber because the original work differs from it. In this case, the Wii U can do something that the Switch cannot which is to say that a Michael Jackson does Michael Jackson better because of his moonwalk.

I think that is what you're trying to say is that the Wii U can do something the Switch can't. The Wii U has an identity in that sense and games developed for that platform should fit and stay on that platform and not be marketed elsewhere. Sushi Striker for example is a great 3DS game but doesn't work so good on the Switch.

They've essentially replaced their Home Console, the Wii U with the Switch when it isn't really a replacement of sorts.
That said, 2018 is not just a great year for the younger generation. There's every thing from Starlink to Fornite to Ys VIII and Tales of Vesperia coming. You've clearly forgotten all the jRPGs coming to the Switch.

@Retsam

I don't have a lot of time to reply in details but YES the Wii U games I listed WERE Wii U exclusives at their launch. It's easy to transform the truth by saying they're not exclusives because they were ported some years later...

When you say Bieber and Jackson are both POP music, I wanna cry ! LOL
We are talking about Bieber and JACKSON, goddd !
How the hell a healthy brain can align these two persons just by saying "They are Pop music" o_O
On one side you have a pure product entierly build by a record company and on the other one, you have Michael Jackson which is simply a genius in every sense of it ! Goddd !

Now, I quote "There's every thing from Starlink to Fornite to Ys VIII and Tales of Vesperia coming. You've clearly forgotten all the jRPGs coming to the Switch."

Starlink : Everyone who tried that THING at E3 and at some events, they all say the same : Atrocious technical issues + boring as hell +
basic visuals... :/
Fortnite : Multiplat !
Y's VIII : Multiplat !
Tales of Vesperia : Multiplat !

Where are the exclusives that give an IDENTITY to the Switch ?
WHere are the titles that give a need to buy the Switch ?

Erf...

@Spoony_Tech oh bioshock , best game ever

wow, now this is great news! Fortnite was a great arrival for my kids but War Frame is for me. This game is so fair with its costs and monetisation that I dropped a bunch of money on credits just so I could support the dev team.

Native chat?

@Cobalt I dunno if you misread but as I stated only about 4-6 of those games you listed were true console platform exclusives to the Wii U.

Most of the rest have appeared on other consoles BEFORE hand. Pikmin for example is initially a GameCube game, not a Wii U game. The GameCube came out in 2001. 'The Last of Us Part II' is a Sony platform exclusive but it is still a 'Last of Us' game. I wouldn't use that as an example of exclusivity of the PlayStation 4 if someone has played 'the Last of Us' on the PlayStation 3. Your point just become mute. You're not convincing me to buy a PlayStation 4 for "new experiences" but rather another sequels to it. I would consider 'Heavy Rain' and 'Indigo Prophecy' the same vain.

If comparing Sony to Nintendo then I might but we're on a Nintendo website and comparing apples to apples. Even then the point becomes mute if I listed all 3 Uncharted as the "greatest PlayStation games ever" because it seems like I don't have anything else to offer.

So if you consider 'Pikmin 3' an "exclusive" just because Nintendo made it for the Wii U and gave it a different tag then you have to consider 'Mario Kart 8 Deluxe' an enhanced port and also an exclusive which makes things complicated...

An enhanced port is not the same as a straight up port.
Like Twilight Princess HD is not Twilight Princess. Hyrule Warriors Definitive Edition is not Hyrule Warriors, etc.

The game and its storyline as well as the graphics has changed? Is it still the same game?

See how I'm beating a dead horse?

When talking exclusives it should be fresh AND great new IPs or its nots.

As my comment stated Nintendo already has 4-6 exclusives for the Switch. Even if I include Mario, Pikmin, Zelda and some of the rest, you're still comparing 1 year to 5 years worth of effort.

Also as I stated a lot of the games came BEFORE or from other platforms like Monster Hunter Tri was a Wii game then 3 and 4 Ultimate were also 3DS games.

These games are not real exclusives but sequels to games or are other platforms. Also a lot of things you state are simply opinions and not facts.
While Jackson was said by some to be a prodigy, he relies as much on his producers and record companies for his music as with many bands and artists.
Personally, I prefer rock and metal music and European music over American music in general and would say that he is not as good as most of these rock musicians preceding and came after him. I listen to everything from classical music to things like avant-garde metal and I doubt that a someone who thinks Michael Jackson is a genius has such a wide range of tastes.
The same critic you use to praise Jackson compared to Bieber's is what I'm using to dismiss his status. In the end he writes pop music and pop music is mostly akin to trash.

See again how it works?

Also I know several people who would call Bieber "revolutionary", does that make them right?

These things are in the end opinions not fact. When it comes to entertainment, the facts can mean very little to someone as it is very subjective.
We all know the best games for example don't necessarily sell the most because of the competition alone.

For me, these multi-plats as you call them are showcasing what the Switch can do. They are unique to the Nintendo platform. Every generation there are Nintendo fan and detractors and every generation it is the same: "Nintendo has no games", "Nintendo has too many exclusives".

For once they have more third party then exclusives why is that a bad thing?

And now we have the reverse complain? I don't get it.

This IS the Switches identity.

It is different to that of the Wii U. Multi-plats is not a crime.
In fact its a good thing. It means it can reach a larger audience.

Just because something is exclusive doesn't mean it is good or new. As I stated before a lot of what you listed are sequels to old franchises. These are not new experiences. A lot of them are also not that great.

I rather they do away with Bayonetta and just give us a Devil May Cry port for example. The exclusiveness doesn't do anything when it isn't earth shatteringly new and we are getting the same type of gameplay. That's MY point.

I would like a game like Beyond Good and Evil 2 on the Switch for example so its a good thing something like Panic Button exists and something like that can potentially happen.

The Switch's portability and the ability to bring it with you on the go is what is going to sell the Switch.

The Nintendo exclusives will still come but its the third party support that's to look out for.

@Retsam

I already ask you to excuse me for what I'm gonna say because it needs to come out !

This is the most "[removed]" post I ever read !

Don't have a lot of time but basically for you, Mario Sunshine it's not a Gamecube exclusive because of Mario64 on the Nintendo64 ? Please, you need to grow, man... I never heard something as ridiculous as that...
We can say the same for A link to the past then and to MarioKart 8 because of the previous MarioKart etc... ABSOLUTLY DUMB !

About music now, I have 15 years of Cello behind me, I went to music school, I have a range of music knowledge that go from Classical to Jazz, passing by synth, rock, gothic, funk, metal and so on...

If you're not able to see and understand the genius of Jackson, what I can do about that.
Music is harmony, chords, patterns, melody, construction, sounds, silence, rhythms, heights, frequencies and so much other things...

You come here to explain that Jackson is basically a random dude who is nobody without his producers and musicians... god, you really dunno what you're talking about, really don't know...

I even don't add all the side things with Jackson about how to perform, how to make a show, how to visualize ideas for a videoclip, how to master the body to handle the sing and the dance together etc...etc...

Dude, I prefer to stop here because for you POP is a low stuff, let me tell you something really important :

THERE IS TRASH EVERYWHERE, IN EVERY GENRA and the reverse exists too ! Just think about it !

Couldn't really get into this game elsewhere so probably won't pick it up, but glad for those that like it. However I also wish they were working on some other options.

@Cobalt Thank you for making it clear that you're an unreasonable person. I wasn't sure at first, but now I don't have to waste anymore of my time.

@ieatdragonz I plan on it, it looks like a sweet co-op experience too.

@Cobalt I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. Did I mention Mario or Zelda? No. I mentioned Pikmin 3 which is akin to Pikmin but in HD. They could have called it Pikmin HD and people won't really be able to tell the difference. This is how some of my friend's feel and I can understand it from that stand point because from their perspective they've played a Mario game already. I just said we are comparing apples to apples. And a Mario game is still a platformer no matter the changes. Whether they love or hate platformers, the point becomes mute unless they are open to see the game's innovations or understand its changes but then the same can be said about Remasters and HD Remakes.
You yourself said you don't like Wii U ports for the Switch. Well one could feel the same way about Mario. See the double standards there? How is that any different?
You: Mario Kart 8 is available for the Wii U. Lame.
Them: Mario Kart 8 is still a Mario Kart game. Lame.
Just as Wii U ports aren't convincing you, the same franchises aren't convincing them. They just have a different standard to you. That's not to say they don't like Mario or can't see the changes between Mario 64 and Sunshine. Those are two different things. Maybe they just don't care about the changes. Just as I couldn't care less if you like or not like Mario or whether you feel its the same game or not.
Seriously, there's been like 7 to 13 Assassin's Creed on the PlayStation 4/Xbox One and going by that logic none of them are the same game. Can you tell me how Mario is not the same game but Assassin's Creed is?
So again is your point that the Wii U has Mario as an exclusives vs 13 games which were innovative for its time? What sort of identity is that?
The bitter truth is that Mario isn't out innovating 13 Assassin's Creed games. Nintendo simply does not have that development power nor want to spam us with the same titles over and over so they take more of an "innovation" in one hit approach. They're playing catchup and are rather quite slow.
If I gave you $10 and you spend it all to make $13. Then good on you.
If I gave you $10 and you spend $1 to make $2 and you did this 10x who's the winner?
Just look at their consoles. They take 5-6 years to R&D and by the time it comes out, the hardware is dated. Sony and Microsoft on the other hand uses hardware that are more within 3 years of hardware iterations.

Some people say the reason for this is because Nintendo might not be what they are used to be anymore but one thing is that they try to play fair and punch above their weight.

The Wii U could have sold more if it had a better identity. It was a confusing mess and while 15 million is probably not a failure, depending on their R&D costs, I wouldn't say it was a runaway success. If there were more exclusives that showcase its dual screen and off TV play. If it was the more powerful system and got more third party. It was like most Nintendo systems, a mediocracy of success. A survivor in the deadly realms of the video games business.

Think of a 2k Switch which had Kindle-like apps, Netflix, Apple TV like features, a 4k dock, etc. That's a complete package right there. There's no excuses not to play Nintendo even if I'm not a big gamer or the most uber hardcore of gamer or portable fan. Instead we got a mainstream core-focused 720p console with no Netflix and Kindle apps. No 4k dock. No 4DS. With PS5 and XBOX Too just around the corner. Its like the Wii all over again.

Iwata himself said that they consider the war won with Sony and Microsoft and want to compete with the likes of Apple but their sales number aren't reflecting that. Unless they change their business practices overnight, Nintendo will remain the underdogs...and even then there's nothing wrong with that.

I understand what you're saying but have a different reasoning and understanding of the situation. You're saying the Switch has "no identity" and that it doesn't have the games it needs to make the big push to completely "destroy" the competition. Instead we're getting last gen ports.

Whereas I think one of the reason Nintendo is doing what they are doing is because they are staying true to themselves and playing fair game. They're not here to destroy the competition but coexist with them. They're not doing a PS3 and rolling out theoretical consoles that claim to be more powerful then the competition but is hard to program for because no one has heard of the "Cell" processing unit before. Nintendo just doesn't do that. They're developers of the Blue Ocean Strategy not a King of the Hill strategy. They believe the ocean is big enough for everyone to exist in it and for everyone to have their niche.

The Switch like the U before it will achieve mediocracy success for what it is.

@Cobalt As for music you might feel that most music has junk that is true but going with that comment, some music will then be more junk then others. No different from saying "eating out isn't good for you but McDonald's is the worst."
But that's unimportant anyway, if I was to eat at McDonald's what would I eat? That's a more important question to ask. I like their apple pies and soft serve. What sort of junk you like then? I personally don't mind Jackson but prefer pop, rock and metal like The Beatles, U2, Muse, Dream Theater, Within Temptation and Diablo Swing Orchestra, etc. I found them to be far more innovative and more open to influences from other genres. I'm okay with pop bands like CHVRCHES and the occasional Taylor Swift song. I'm not a big fan of pop and R&B music as I don't feel there is much "music" involved. The music is often secondary focus to the vocal performances of the said individual or the lyrical writing of the producers. I didn't come here to say Jackson is a random dude who is a nobody without his producers, that's what you said about Bieber but not what I said, I came saying that Jackson makes pop music and that all pop musicians rely on some degree the marketing of these labels just like most bands. The reason why I said it is because often this reliance is blown way out of proportion when the artists is disliked by someone and vise versa when simply put that is not true. As I said, I know people who will say Bieber is "revolutionary" with his pop and R&B music. They too are musicians and have studied music. If I was going to go with facts then Bieber also co-writes and produces a small amount of his music while Jackson didn't write ANY nor produce ANY of his earlier music. It wasn't until 1979's "Off the Wall" where he took off because he wrote his own music and started to produce some of them himself. So what is your point? Because from what I can see he was created by the industry.
Like all industries its good to have rules but the importance is that these rules should allow us to co exist with other people's music and games and to tolerate their tastes and fashion.
Not the other way round.
I consider myself an elitist and its hard being a modern elitist for that reason. Sometimes you have to tolerate uninformed opinions and "racism" as I would like to call it.
If I personally feel something is junk I try to not make a big deal out of it and try to understand why this junkie exist beyond trying to make a living out of selling crap.
Maybe they do truly appreciate art and want to be part of the curb and cannot contribute in the way a normal artist would.
Going back to Nintendo that's to say that next to Sony they can't compete with them on a hardware level or Microsoft on a software level...but they'll give a shot and provide a unique experience along the way.
So does that make Nintendo crap now because it can't compete with Sony in the hardware division and Microsoft in its online services and software division? What happen if like the Wii U and Switch drop the ball with their marketing techniques and its awesome gameplay and unique games?

@Retsam

To say what you just say about PIKMIN 3 means that you didn't play it AT ALL ! Everyone who has play PIKMIN 3 knows why...
It's common these days to have "players" who talk about games they don't know, insane !

About music now, you just said that you consider yourself an elitist... Wow, you base yourself on what ? Your own musical tastes ?

Can I ask you a question because I'm intrigued by your elitism ?
How many years you have studied music to reach a point that you consider yourself an elitist ?

Now, and I stop after that, your food part example :
WHATEVER you take at McDonalds, even apples, is crap COMPARE to what you can get from a real grocer.

I don't know if you live in the US or not but I live in France and you can trust me, quality food is a key word here.

I went 4 times to the US, 2 times East Coast, 2 times West Coast.
I couldn't believe my eyes how many overweight people I saw and guess what ? Some of them think probably like you about "healthy food from McDonalds".

I'm the type of person who "eat fairly well" BUT only real quality food that I cook myself or that I get from quality restaurants.
You can trust me on that, if I would eat the same amount of food as I do but from a McDonalds, I'll be overweight too...

So, I really hope that you're "more elitist" in music than food otherwise...

@Cobalt I have Pikmin 3 and have played Pikmin 3. I would say its the best in the series and one of my favourite games of all time but its not a new IP was my point. Pikmin 3 was worth getting a Wii U over but clearly a lot of people don't feel that way otherwise it would have sold more then it did. You've got to understand things from someone else's framework in order to convince them otherwise. Unless I'm mistaken, which I could be in this case, I was stating that I am generally an elitist of modern society which is about acceptance of others cultures and difference of opinion unlike a classic elitist which were experts of a specific niche. Although I'm probably a bit of both. I live in Australia and come from a family with a music and alternative medicine background and can play the piano though haven't in years. I myself come from an IT background and want to get into the game industry. I also enjoy all forms of music, games, films, food and general entertainment. As for McDonalds I mean that I am lucky enough to have a fast metabolism and can appreciate junk but that said, I do eat pretty healthy as well. Also my point there was that their apple pies is something unique to McDonalds and a finer point to wanting to eat there even if it is junk. Sometimes you've got to look at things from multiple angles. Sorry for the verbose rants but I tend to do that when I am deconstructing what people are saying to make sense of what they are trying to say. I try to be reasonable and understand what they are saying instead of disagreeing with someone outright.

@Retsam

You're probably around 25 years old, isn't it ?
Fast metabolism is generally linked with the age, not always but it's pretty much like that for a lot of people.

I remember that change for me at 26, I'm 42 now !

I don't have much time in front of me , I'm not a "bludger". As an australian you know what it means !

G'day mate ! ;D

@Cobalt Finally got around to reading this thread.

I'm 45. My first console was the 2600.

But by all means, assume I don't accept what you say because I'm not mature enough to understand you, rather than consider that maybe you're not as correct as you think you are.

@PanurgeJr

I'm totally correct as I think I am from my perspective.
You have the right to think that I'm a moron and that I'm saying stupid things etc...

I just say what I think, I analyze a situation and extract a conclusion from it WITHOUT letting my love for Nintendo taking over my judgement on whatever subject.

The biggest problem today is that the people (A big majority) don't have any personal opinions, they just repeat what their TVs say, what they read on reviews, what they heard here and there.

As an example, do you really think that Super mario Odyssey deserves 10/10, really all those sites with 10/10 by 100's...

http://www.metacritic.com/game/switch/super-mario-odyssey

Look now on the other side, the player side. You have a kind of good example to get a ratio of how people just follow what TV/INTERNET says and a really tiny part who just THINK by ITSELF...

You can put me on that second part, I don't repeat things from somebody else, I give MY OWN opinion. It hurts sometimes the "Nintendrones" little heart of them but only because they just refuse to be objective.

10/10 is the PINNACLE, the mark that shows you have reach heaven manner of speaking... I SWEAR, take Super Mario Odyssey take off Mario and replace him by a random character that nobody knows and give THE SAME GAME as it is to the SAME REVIEWERS you'll see that the marks will be totally different...