So, Nintendo's E3 2018 presentation is over and done with, and it's time to mull over the announcements and digest all of that lovely new content. As was anticipated, a lot of screen time was given to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, and with good reason – it's easily going to be the Switch's lead title this holiday season and the amount of content on offer looks absolutely incredible. However, it felt like perhaps too much time was devoted to the upcoming fighter; fatigue set in sooner than it perhaps should have done, and in hindsight, it felt like Nintendo had rushed what could have been significant announcements – and totally missed other key releases.
It was puzzling that Nintendo didn't make a bigger deal out of Dragon Ball FighterZ coming to Switch; one of the year's breakout releases, Bandai Namco's brawler is a welcome addition to the Switch library and a major show of third-party support – yet the game was almost lost amongst a load of other titles, most of which were previously confirmed games like Dark Souls: Remastered, Captain Toad and (wait for it) FIFA 18.
However, it was the stuff Nintendo didn't show that is perhaps the most befuddling. For example, where was Metroid Prime 4? We were given the news that the sequel was in development a year ago, but there was no sign of it during the E3 event. Sure, Nintendo may wish to focus on titles launching in the next 12 months, but an update would have been welcome – and Fire Emblem: Three Houses doesn't launch until Spring 2019, so why include that and not Samus' latest adventure? Given that both Sony and Microsoft have no problem with teasing their fans with titles that are years away from release, it's about time Nintendo embraced the same approach, if only to give us something to look forward to.
There was also nothing on Animal Crossing for Switch, or a big reveal for Star Fox Grand Prix. Now, complaining about Nintendo failing to reveal unannounced or rumoured games might seem somewhat childish, but it's hard to not feel slightly downhearted that these games weren't forthcoming. Still, Nintendo can't be held responsible for our overactive imaginations, or our willingness to assume that rumours are solid facts; while the evidence for a Star Fox racing game seems credible from our perspective, we can't grumble when Nintendo decides against showing a title it has never officially confirmed.
We know that a full Pokémon RPG is on the way next year, but it was absent from the presentation. Let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go Eevee got a segment – which is understandable given that the pair launch this year – but some kind of update on what many people will see as the biggest Pokémon release in quite some time would have been nice; we assume Nintendo will choose to unveil this title in a stand-alone Direct broadcast before 2018 comes to a close.
We also didn't get any news on Netflix or YouTube apps, or any details on the finer points of Nintendo's upcoming Online service for Switch. There was nothing on Wii or GameCube games coming to the eShop, either. Again, these are things that people perhaps expected rather than solid leads, but the fact that Nintendo didn't use the presentation to highlight them is odd – assuming they are indeed on the way, of course.
Putting aside our childish sense of entitlement for one moment, this was a solid showing from a bullish Nintendo. Smash Bros. Ultimate is going to be an absolute mega-hit when it launches later this year, and surprises like the incredible-looking Daemon X Machina – which bravely kicked off the presentation – prove that the company has some tricks up its sleeve. Super Mario Party is another welcome addition to the roster, and it was fantastic to finally see something of Fire Emblem: Three Houses, which is shaping up to be one of the most accomplished entries in the series so far.
As far as box-ticking is concerned, Fortnite on Switch – even if it's wasn't all that surprising – was still a highlight of the event; the fact that the world's biggest video game is now available on Nintendo's hybrid console is a cause for celebration, even if you have no interest in playing it. Fortnite is on the tongue of practically every schoolchild in the world right now, and the more youngsters that pestered their parents for a Switch console this year, the better.
If we're honest, there's no such thing as a "perfect E3" as everyone has different expectations, and in the age of the internet, it's all too easy to allow those expectations to balloon out of all proportion due to leaks and rumours. Nintendo's show may have been a little too overzealous when it came to force-feeding us Smash Bros. info and it may have missed updates on key titles, but it was an accomplished showing from a company that finds itself in a refreshingly comfortable position in 2018.
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I expect by Fall 2018 will have a lot better stuff to be revealed.
Nintendo's E3 was a hit or miss, but tbh, they focus way to much on Smash.
No Animal Crossing for Switch news was so devastating I know it's never a good idea to get your hopes up but I just couldn't help it. I want a new, proper Animal Crossing game. Especially since the Wii U never got one.
Encore ! Encore !
Another Direct or trailer of new Switch games that still missing !
I was surprised there was no word on the Luigi's Mansion and Bowser's Inside Story remakes.
I loved the presentation- but I love Smash, they could have only shown Smash and I would be perfectly happy and everything else is icing on the cake!
Even in 2017, I got the sense that that 2018 would be a lull year for Nintendo. That said, with all the other franchises they're holding back on, I think 2019-20 will be primed with games galore.
I love Smash Bros but that was too much, would have love some other announcements.
I was expecting more than a 20+ minute showcase of a Wii U port. Yes, Smash looks fantastic, but I'm disappointed that Nintendo themselves have so little to offer between now and the 6 month wait until the release of Smash.
Yeah, nothing really new was shown off. No huge third party games that we didn't already know about. Pretty meh E3 over all, and Nintendo needed to really knock it out of the park.
I feel like we were missing one big surprise that would have made it a good presentation. We already knew about essentially everything, except Mario Party. Wasn't expecting the best first party lineup this year given they used so many of their big hitters last year but having an absolutely awful Pokemon remake/spinoff take up one of the major release slots leaves the lineup a bit lacking. The wait for Animal Crossing continues.
Too much multiplayer - Mario Party and Smash - not enough single player - Yoshi, Animal Crossing, Pikmin 4, Metroid Prime 4, Bayonetta 3. Heck I would have settled for a port of Skyward Sword or Super Mario Maker. Fire Emblem isn't until next year. Id' really like a single player game for the holidays. Last year had SMO and XC2.
And way too much SSBU for an ND titled "ND: E3 2018". First 20 minutes was good, but more single player, less SSBU. Save that for a SSBU Direct in August.
I think MS won E3 b/c they bought 5 companies to make Xbox 2 games. That's how lame this E3 was.
When your only new first party announcement is Mario Party, you know you’ve got a sad showing.
Sorry to say it but it was disappointing.
They treated E3 like a normal Direct mixed with a Smash Direct. As much as I love Smash, that was too much detail for one game.
Also that abrupt ending. Why not say “Hope you enjoy E3” or “Check our tournaments at E3”. It just finished on a blank screen.
It also could have benefited from a tease of a future title like Animal Crossing or something.
How was there not even Odyssey DLC at least?
Yeah, too much Smash time, I guess that's fine, but still.
That said, Nintendo does make surprise announcements here and there via the Treehouse stream. It hasn't happened yet this time, so we'll see what happens this time.
Big swing and a miss from Nintendo this year.
No MP4 is inexcusable after teasing the logo last year. I had a hunch that logo tease was a desperation attempt, and sure enough a year later that seems to be the case.
Fortnite to Switch? Ok yeah who cares? It's just like Minecraft to Wii U. Too little too late.
I'll give Ninty the benefit of the doubt. They'll probably reveal more throughout the week.
I was so disappointed. Apart from fire emblem I literally didn’t care about any of it
@Silly_G
To add there hasn’t been much to show on Nintendo’s part the previous 6 months either
I personally thought it was a disappointing and sparse presentation. I think it was probably great if you are a Smash or RPG fan but beyond that there really wasn’t much I was excited for. I think a lot of that Smash content could have been in its own Direct.
I really expected Nintendo to go all in and make the Switch’s second year as big as the first but there doesn’t seem to be much on the horizon. I should admit though, all I really wanted was some Odyssey DLC.
I’m hoping this will be the generation I get into Smash (played briefly on Wii, but never got into it), but hours and hours of smash is really disappointing for me. Super Mario Party was a very exciting announcement, but even just a Pikmin Trilogy or Metroid Trilogy announcement to go with that would’ve made me much happier.
There was just so much missing it seemed like. No 3DS talk and no Yoshi. Especially disappointing that the Star Fox Grand Prix game wasn’t announced. Smash is great and all, but they could have done a more in-depth Smash Direct later this year and shown more of a variety now. Still holding hope for Dixie Kong and King K. Rool. Bomberman as assist trophy only is also disappointing. Watch Banjo be announced as the same.
In terms of new announcements, it was disappointing. Where was Metroid 4? Animal Crossing, 3rd party support, Travis Strikes Again?
From a corporate standpoint, Nintendo need to hold back games for when Switch starts to lose momentum. With Zelda BotW, Mario Kart, Splatoon and Mario Odyssey already out, there's not much left in the tank to kickstart sales when they drop off.
We need to stop being whiney, needy Nintendo nerds and be grateful that the days of dismal (Wii U) sales are behind us.
In Nintendo we trust.
As a fallout fan, this hurts lol. Wasn’t even asking for this generation fallout, just wanted a fallout 3 port.. got fallout shelter instead lol
It was FIFA 19
@Monkeyofthefunk
3rd party support? This is Nintendo we’re talking about
Now don't get me wrong, I like Smash and will almost certainly be buying it at launch, but I feel waaaaaaaaay too much screen time was devoted to it - it feels like it was about 3/4 of the whole Direct. Great for the mega fans of Smash (I know one fan who lost her mind when she saw Snake and Ridley are coming to the roster) but for everyone else, the pickings were quite slim.
I'm personally really disappointed there was no news on the Spyro Reignited Trilogy coming to Switch. Hearing that would have easily made my day.
Wow, so much negativity. I thought it was a decent presentation that showed the massive amount of games coming out for their system. It focused on games in the near future and Smash Ultimate, which appears to be trying hard to replace all previous versions.
Perhaps everyone boarded the hype train and forgotten the lack of games in previous years (i.e. the summer of no games of 2017, the time when Mario Tennis Wii U was the highlight, etc.)
Shame on Nintendo!! The worse E3 Presentation that I ever sat through. Isn’t that what their Treehouse events are used for 45 mins on boring details??
"or a case of bloated expectations?"
"Nintendo can't be held responsible for our overactive imaginations, or our willingness to assume that rumours are solid facts"
"Putting aside our childish sense of entitlement for one moment"
Can we for once not shift the blame back to the users? Can we maybe admit that it's Nintendo that dropped the ball? This is E3 . There's no excuse for a 30 minute showcase of one game, featuring trivial things like "Spot The Difference" between past and present character models. Enough. Please.
Im feeling guilty about being so entitled...but the delay of FE, the seeming delay of Yoshi, Pokemon and Smash being in NOV AND DEC...makes this year feel a little lite. They obviously meant this year to gain different ages of a younger audience (Labo, Kirby Junior PLaychool edition, GO!, Fortnite), and next year for the core again...but I'm also thinking that Nintendo really JUST gave us a Direct more than an E3 thing, and before the online announcing we'll get more games. Lot of good here (best pacing of the whole of E3), a lot of BUY TODAY stuff too...so not sure how I feel. Smash was so amazing tho.
Very weak showing. All they had to do was show a little bit of Prime4
Smash looks great but they spent far too much time on it, not only that they wasted that time in showing every character and almost every final smash yet not even a second on what game modes it has.
Even if the rumoured games aren't real, then the likes of Captain Toad deserved more screen time at least. Overall a strong opening 15 minutes before a lot of wasted time
@gatorboi352
2017 has been empty for Nintendo thus far, and a weak e3 doesn’t help that cause
@Silly_G It's not a Wii U port.
I thought it was very good, but there could've been more time given to other announcements and less given to smash. Saying that, smash was amazing and i cannot wait!
Oh also, a little bit of info, if you go onto the smash bros website, they've updated it completely and it's very slick. Plus, they added some new music tracks, including a track for the new Breath of the Wild stage and the new theme! Check it out!
I don’t understand why they made it Switch only. If they would have bolstered it with 3DS games, we may not have felt so hard done by. Also no release date for Dark Souls, The World Ends With You and the Splatoon DLC.
Frustrating Yoshi and Fire Emblem are delayed, but then if they’re not ready, they’re not ready.
@gatorboi352 I care deeply for Fortnite on the Switch as I haven't played it ok other consoles and have been waiting for the Switch!
I feel the name should have giving it away, this is just another Nintendo Direct which coincides with the E3. Nintendo has shown in the last couple of years that they rather announce their games spread out through out the year instead of all at once during the E3, some of them don't even appear on the E3 (3DS Wario ware, Luigi's Mansion and Tropical Freeze being some examples). That also explains why they announced so many games last time during the Nintendo Direct. Seriously, that Nintendo Direct had more content than this one. If Nintendo really wanted to go out on the E3 they could have saved: Pokémon Lets Go, Warioware, Luigi's Mansion, Bowsers inside story, Undertale AND Smash Bros.
And a side note to express my feelings towards the E3 in general. The event is changing and has been for a very long time. Companies much rather prefer to announce their games on an own event/moment so they don't steal spotlight from each other. The entire E3 was light on games this year, they are just being announced more spread out throughout the year.
Poor folks are disappointed (again), because they (again) oberhyped everything! 😥 Besides we saw new stuff and just because you may think, this isn't for you it must not be the case for everyone.
Oh, and people still saying the new Smash Bros. is a port from Wii U... 🙄
Apart from Smash, which gave me everything I wanted and more, the E3 showcases have been pretty pathetic for all 3 companies so far. I was expecting at LEAST a couple more big announcements from the Nintendo 1st parties. Absolutely NOTHING on Metroid, Yoshi, Starfox, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, etc? Not even Odyssey DLC? I would never have expected that.
Too much Smash. Waaaaay too much. It was like patch notes come to life.
I enjoyed it. Got a new Mario Party without a car, a confirmed new Super Smash with every character, preordered Starlink Starfox starter set, got more details on the Pokeball Plus controller, and the Daemon X Machina game looks awesome too. Also spotted Megaman 11 in the sizzle reel, yay!
Rest of the year for me is spent waiting on Megaman X Legacy collections, Everspace, Super Hydorah, SNK Anniversary, and Atari Anniversary.
Wish Konami had given us something more than Track n Field. Wish Capcom would put out a Resident Evil Collection, but with the remakes I think they want us to pretend they never happened. 8/10 for Nintendo E3.
I expected more new games announced and at least somedetails on the sub. It’s bizarre that the later got no coverage at all given its launch date.
I love Nintendo, but this press conference, unless you are addicted to Smash or Fortnight, was underwhelming to say the least.
I don’t get it. This is the time I finally expected to see a lot more input because of the unified libraries.
Where is all the 3ds staff working on?
@jswhitfield8 Not so sure about that. Last year they said they would focus on Odyssey, but we got more. I’m still hoping we’ll at least hear about a few ports of great Wii U games before E3 is over.
Just keep in mind Nintendo does quarterly(ish) Directs, and this is just one of them. Basically all of the other companies show off everything at E3 while we likely have a surprise or 3 ahead of us before the year is out.
Where’s the innovation Nintendo? Sequels are great but most of these don’t move the needle. Smash will be very similar to the other games before it.
Why can’t Nintendo lead the way on how online games should be played ?
I haven’t bought a Switch game since Odyssey. I might pick up Smash but I’ve grown tired of the series. Metroid would have made up for a bad showing, but as is, they should have just skipped E3.
A very disappointing E3 first day for me because I have absolutely no interest in Super Smash bros and the majority of the bigger titles revealed there was far too much time devoted to SSB but Starlink looks promising though.
What about Netflix & YouTube?
Quite possibly one of the worst E3 presentations I have ever seen. You can't blame people's expectations either. Why don't a huge publisher like Nintendo have more games coming? Sure, they had a couple of big ones last year, but most of their studios have had no significant output for quite a few years now. Makes me feel like we're back in the Wii U days.
We got told Pikmin 4 was almost done 3 years ago. Retro wrapped up their last game almost 5 years ago.
Well, I don’t know why everyone’s complaining. Lots of good titles for Switch and a promise for much more to come.they cannot reveal like 25 games at once.
It was never going to be as good s last year really was it? But nonetheless it was pretty disappointing. It lacked zip and as fabulous as Smas Bros will be, the time spent on it was mind numbing. Mario Party was a given but it does feel like the first year buzz is dying down into a big fat bleh.
I am sure that more Directs will provide more excitement but whereas last year it was a case of how many of these games do I buy, this year is more a case of, buy smash bros and erm.........What was with showing FIFA18 btw? Trials will suit switch well but what about Doom 2 and Fallout.
I kind of feel that we are starting to see more ‘mobile’ games coming to switch which isn’t necessarily bad but it ain’t great either.
Anyway, negativity over, lest hope for some more surprises over the next couple of day!!!!
To be fair, I think all three publishers have been guilty of this, this year. But I'm still liking what Nintendo is having on offer for 2018 and beyond. It was nice to see a presentation at this year's E3 that wasn't completely dominated by post-apocalyptic clones (I feel like the vast majority of what's coming to PS4 and XBone this year are variations of the same game). It was getting downright depressing frankly. But Nintendo's charm breathed new and FRESH life in to what has otherwise been a fairly lackluster E3 (minus the Kingdom Hearts reveal.....and lack thereof Switch announcement for the game).
It was definitely more of a Nintendo Direct presentation than an E3 one.
They said they'd focus on Smash, and they did. But it just kept going on and on and on. It looks like a super doped up deluxe release of the Wii U game (not a bad thing). Which would be fine if it were a Smash Direct, but this was E3. Was expecting "one more thing before we go.....", but it never happened.
Where was Metroid, Yoshi, No More Heroes, Bayonetta etc?
Nintendo does announce some stuff through their Treehouse presentations as well, but this just seemed like a huge missed opportunity. Microsoft and Sony also had fairly underwhelming shows this year, so it's not a huge deal.
Happy to hear that Dragon Ball FighterZ is coming to Switch though. Almost bought it the other day for PS4, glad I held off.
I think we were all expecting for too much.
Disappointed ...
I know I am in the minority but I want some ports just like the Wii U.
I am sure those will sell pretty well for "old" games on the Switch!
Now I am grateful for Skyrim, Doom and Titan Quest.
I am sure that this year Nintendo will not get GOTY unlike with the masterpiece Breath of the Wild.
I’d rather have in-depth on a game that I can buy before next E3 than one due out in 2020. Look at Sony’s conference this year: it was a direct continuation of last years!
Nothing wrong with knowing the long-term roadmap, it we’ve had some lovely short-term surprises this year.
Given that E3 paper leak hs proven legit we may see a few more announcements over the next few days (where is Arms on the Smash roster, for example?)
It was a poor E3 from Nintendo, in fact it was a poor E3 all round. There were one or two nice treats in there, but when Microsoft has the best conference then you know it's bad.
In my recent time on the internet engagin with other Nintendo fans I really can't believe how all over the place ya'lls are with your unreasonable demands.
Also a lot of the oomph of this direct was ruined by a plethora of leaks.
Pretty damn good presentation. I'm gonna be busy on the switch the rest of the year.
And that new Fire Emblem looks sick.
No idea what happened. I actually thought other publishers were holding back big stuff to include in this one - but nothing. And Nintendo drops the ball with M4. Pretty disappointing all around.
Loved the Shining Demo and super happy for Hollow Knight. So short term I am ok. Just wanted more Big stuff. Even Microsoft had a wow moment.
@JaxxDuffer
i feel like i hear this every E3.
i think for the most part the 'big E3' we grew up with is pretty dead.
nothing beats MS' XB1 reveal though. never sat through a more un-interesting train wreck than that one...
I didn't think it's bad at all, but it certainly could have used one or two big reveals. That would certainly have made a huge difference, perception wise besides the stuff we already knew.
And that sizzle reel should have been expanded a bit more I think. Only a few seconds on certain games like Dragon Ball was not a food idea.
It also could have used more indie content and even retro goodness to mix things up and add more diversity.
@pizzanuggs,
Ahh but the presentation did not have everything everybody wanted ....funny thing is the masses that are buying the switch and playing these games won't even watch the E3 presentation.
I agree there is more than enough content coming to the Switch.
Why would they talk about Metroid Prime 4? It’s not coming out till 2021.
Erm...Smash looks like the greatest game ever made. I bet they are doing a Mario. Folk are going to hit forums as if they know everything about the game, and they will probably announce something else later that we didn't see coming!
I'm still waiting for Pikmin 4, which was said it was "very close to completion" in 2015.
Wanted to see some games announcements at this E3, but it was very disappointing in my opinion
@rjejr I was really hoping for a Zelda Skyward Sword remaster
i thought it was great, until it just kept going and going and going.
Heh, without smash, gamewise the e3 selection would've been meh.
Next year, the games in question will get their spotlight, one way or another! Let em tinker, let em live.
Well this year's E3 was a big "Eh, what?", Nintendo didn't blow the doors off, and they really needed to. It was going fine until they got to Smash Bros., then it just hit a wall. They went over everything, and there just was no need to go that in-depth. Makes me think they should have done an overview and a separate direct later focusing just on Smash. I have friends who just don't care for Smash, and they were bored out of their mind as they spent over 20 minutes talking about a game they don't like. I liked it, but I do agree they spent far too long on it.
The other stuff was good. Overcooked 2 and Mario Party look great, I just downloaded Fortnite, so I'm looking forward to that, and Fire Emblem looks amazing. But there's big holes that were never addressed. Where's Yoshi? I'm getting concerned they're having problems now. Where's Animal Crossing? The last game came out in 2012! What is Nintendo waiting for?? Prime 4 being MIA, doesn't surprise me, but it is still disappointing seeing nothing about it. And last but not least, what in the world has Retro been doing? Still nothing from them and it's been years.
I don't know, this year doesn't look very good at all, at least right now. I suppose there's still time to announce something, but man, Nintendo disappointed today. It's not E3 2015 bad, but it certainly wasn't great.
For me it was a major dissapointment. Actually in the E3 we where told that until Holiday Season (and probably a few months later too). THERE IS NOT A SINGLE TRIPLE A game from any developer (First or Third party) coming to the console.
The entire presentation was about a WiiU port with some new characters. We are talking about EPIC FAIL in company organization.
@Damo spring 2019 is still within the next 12 months...
To many leaks lead to no surprises at all. Only game i was truly excited about is dragonball fighter z. Sure smash bros will be good aswell but holy crap smash bros took up 3/4 of the presentation which is totally ridiculous. Nintendo really should of had a separate direct for smash bros. It was a bit of a let down in the end for me.
I'm usually pretty Positive about these directs but this was poor. We saw maybe 2 games that weren't announced previously. I hope Smash is great but I won't be buying it so what does that leave me with? Where's Yoshi, Pikmin, Retro!?
Obviously the focus was Smash. That being said, spending 20+ minutes on it with VERY little NEW content was disappointing. I was hoping for a few more new characters, some new stages to highlight and a new/returning game mode.
Very solid presentation, but not too amazing.
I'm quite disappointed with the presentation..
no diablo 3, no final fantasy XV (not even that pocket version), no metroid, no layton, no luigi's mansion, no yoshi, no other surprise rpg
only a little fire emblem and to much smash
I came out excited and hyped. Honestly I was mostly focused on Smash and kept saying, “Just reveal it already!” and so I’m glad they were focused on it too.
I’m sure we’ll get more reveals during the Treehouse stuff.
Well i don't know they said the presentation will focus on 2018 and smash, and it did exactly that. Sure the presentation was pretty lackluster but that was to be expected after last years fantstic e3 from nintendo. They used all their staff last year to guarantee a successfull launch so a drought in 2018 had to be expected. i mean yeah nintedo is a huge company but even they don't have unlimited ressources as you might expect.
I feel happy for microsoft, sony, bethesda and ubisoft that they had such a great presentation even if i don't play on any other plattform besides nintendo's. I would feel bad for complaining now about nintendo after having the best gaming year of my life so yeah. Hope to see nintendo back with full force next year.
Bethesda had the best conference this year. It's sad a third party did better than all the big three.
@Varnen,
I don't know why people want another pikmin game,the franchise is one of Nintendo's worst sellers.
1.19 million on the cube and I don't think the any other sold even a million..with Nintendo's limited resources this should be last on the list.
Trying not to be but I’m gutted. Got Hollow knight though so that’s something. Had the Wii u not existed this would have been one slim year for us.
I only wanted Fallout 3, nothing else and we only got Fallout Shelter ... I feel disappointed.
It was great if you're into Smash and Pokemon but unfortunately I'm not into either of those games.
It's clear Nintendo lacked last year hence the teaser of Metroid Prime 4. I really wanted some info on that but wasn't expecting it.
Anyway I'm glad Captain Toad is coming to Switch so I'm catered for there. Also Yoshi's absence is a weird one...
Expectations aside, it's pretty disappointing. The first-party lineup for Switch for the entire year is Kirby, Mario Tennis, Mario Party, Pokemon Lets Go, and Smash. Not a single new first party title announced other than Mario Party and no big third party ports (like a Fallout or GTA). That's not the most exciting lineup, to put it nicely. Hell, the most exciting moment for me is Hollow Knight finally being released. I'll put it this way, if I didn't also own a PC and PS4, I would not be happy right now.
A little disappointed. It was all smash and looked so much like I played the game for the past 4 years
People still saying Smash is a Wii U port need to get their heads out of the ground. Just because it reuses characters and stages doesn’t mean it’s a port. It’s brand new, with a brand new, indescribably beautiful aesthetic to boot. (Seriously, I thought it was claymation at some points. Nintendo outdid themselves.) It’s got new items, stages, characters, etc. It’s a new Smash, guys.
Excuse my rudeness.
I don't think it's the fan's fault for having high expectations. It was Nintendo that flashed the Metroid Prime 4 logo at last year's E3. It was Nintendo that talked about Pokémon Switch at last year's E3.
I think if they would have include updates to both of those titles, it would made a large portion of the unhappy people happy.
I think Smash looks incredible. I'll buy it. I'll most likely pickup two copies (we have two Switchs). I may even pickup a third Switch if they release a special edition Smash system.
I'm also very excited for Monster Hunter finally!!!! I don't care if it's the older game and not World. I also understand that it was previously announced. Doesn't matter to me.
I'm also open minded about Fortnite. My kids are Fortnite crazy and if drives me insane, but I'm also open to finally playing it on the Switch. I tried it a couple times on our PS4 but that system in general is not my favorite interface. I prefer the Nintendo systems and the Xbox. If it wasn't for my kids playing the PlayStation 4, I would have major regrets.
If Mario Party is actually good, I'll buy it. However, if its closer to the last 3-6 games in the series, I will pass for sure. We were so burnt by Mario Party 10 and the last normal Mario Party on the 3DS. If it's like them NO WAY! If it makes me want to play with my friends all the time like the original N64 games then YES!
I'm not thinking too much about the Ubi Toys to Life game. I don't care if it has Star Fox......although that's a nice touch if I was interested.
I was hoping for a surprise addition to Nintendo's Direct from Bethesda Games. Something that they didn't show at their show.....this was my biggest disappointment. After all their support this past year, I just figured they would continue the trend and give us Fallout 4 or something.
I had similar thoughts about Ubisoft. I was under the impression that Mario Rabbids was a big seller. If so, where's the love? Yes we got content for that game and we'll be receiving the toys to life game, but what about the other big games.
To be honest its still going to be a decent year for Nintendo and for my gaming needs.
Fortnite
Paladins.... ( when its free of course )
Crash bandicoot n sane.
Monsterboy
tales of vesperia
yooka laylee ( now its becoming physical)
Dragon ball fighter z
Fifa 19
Pokemon let's go pikachu
Smash bros ultimate
More then enough for now i guess
It wasn't really an E3 conference for Nintendo this year, just a Smash Bros. focused Nintendo Direct that happened to air during E3. No Metroid Prime 4 or Star Fox was really disappointing.
@johnvboy Exactly. People’s expectations were too high. It’s not like every single E3 has to be absolutely earth shattering.
This was an amazing E3 for me. All the titles I wanted that hadn't already been discussed were shown. Nintendo "won" my heart hands down, I'm not disappointed in the slightest and now I can rest easy knowing I will have games to play constantly from now and until Fire Emblem: TH releases, which is when I stop playing other games entirely
I knew that the whiners and complainers would have a field day with this. Look, Nintendo put out more directs than ms or sony put out presentations in a year. Just because the games you expect are not shown, doesn't mean it was a bad presentation. I thought it was a good presentation. Lots of games coming with 2018 & 2019. So what if they focused on smash. It is coming out this year. There will be more directs. You will see more stuff soon.
@Blizzia
Do you work for Nintendo ?
This is the first time the XBox presentation outdid the Nintendo presentation for me.
Was really hoping for some mario maker. I’m not really into smash so for me this was a terrible showing.
Microsoft and Sony are thinking about their next consoles and whilst they will not be mentioned this year, it would not be surprising too see at least one of them come out with a mini reveal early in 2019. Microsoft have already said they are working on the next Xbox consoles, whilst Sony don’t need to say anything as everyone knows they will be well on their way to the ps5 and that will no doubt start to rear its head around one year from now in time for....oh, E3 2019.
Nintendo were never intending to compete with those 2 with the Switch.They simply needed to get back into the game - somewhere, anywhere and they have done that with style. But the issue now is how do they maintain that? Smash Bros of course but the presentation felt smash heavy. I wasn’t expecting a huge amount of surprises but felt as if we had none at all. Everything that we expected appeared. And there is plenty to enjoy but just nothing to make you go WOW!
As PS4 and xBox One slowly pass away over the next 2 to 3 years, it may be that we see even more ports to switch of fallout, call of duty etc but at present they sell so well on the other 2 platforms that not all developers are going to spend time making the transition to switch.
Sure, Bethesda have made great ports and they have shown the way as to how to do it. But even they are not going to bring Fallout 75 to switch and instead have given us Fallout mobile crap which is frankly not what I want on my switch! It can do more, bigger and better!
I am stoked to see Fortnite just because I have enjoyed watching friends play the game but I haven’t played it yet as i hate mobile gaming. Touch screen, fiddly controls are bollocks! Now its on switch I will try and give hell to folk!
Maybe up in the treehouse there are surprises waiting for us because on the games line up for the rest of 2018 and early 2019, the bright future and longevity of switch looks a lot less bright.
@Ashunera84 ...and they showed FIFA 18, to promote the World Cup update.
Honestly, now that I had time to think about it I reckon that Nintendo delivered what they promised.
They said that the focus would be Smash and games that would be released this year and that is what we have got.
Fire Emblem even though was promised to be released this year, in my opinion, was pushed to spring next year because it wouldn't have a chance to do well if released this holiday season.
Also, all leaks were correct and that spoiled a lot of the surprises.
We really can't complain about the games that will be released until the end of the year, they are all great.
Now, what I expect on this year's direct, that is usually around November, is to see a lot of games for next year.
If that doesn't happen, then, nintendo is in trouble.
@MH4
Agreed, there's actually quite a lot that's changed. Almost everyone has new abilities or have been changed in some way. There's new stages and a ton of new assist trophies. It's a new game, it just reuses assets — and we all knew it would.
Garbage direct, 30 minutes of my life I'm never getting back. At least that Mech game looks fun.
@Damo The update that doesn’t bloody work!
Nintendo's Smash and Fire Emblem presentations were theatrical and exciting. I loved that part. But the lack of anything else substantial has left me a little disappointed. No news on Metroid Prime 4 or Yoshi, no major announcements or reveals for new entries of beloved franchises like Wario, Star Fox or Animal Crossing. I was kind of hoping for remasters of old Fire Emblem games (a la Echoes Shadows of Valentia) or maybe a Zelda Skyward Sword remaster/port or even some Super Mario Odyssey DLC.
I really liked Ubisoft's and Bethesda's presentations and I'm looking forward to Assassin's Creed Odyssey (the only game in the franchise that I'm interested in to date), Babylon's Fall and Starfield (even though the last two are not coming out soon).
For the 1st time I watched all the presentations in E3 and I must say, the only 2 games I really wanna play of all that was shown are Fallout 76 and kingdom hearts, f this i’m Cutting on the switch games I buy and i’m Getting an Xbox
Yeah I think no Odyssey DLC was the biggest downside to me. If they didn’t announce any now, I doubt we’ll be getting new kingdoms at all, and I mean the game is fine as it is but I really feel it could use a few more worlds...
Fallout shelter. Meh. Fallout....shelter.......no, no, no, no.
The sad thing is that they focused on Smash, but it was all little details & changes. All we really learned is that it has all previous Smash characters, but only 3 new ones (one of which is a clone), and a handful of returning Stages. No mention of things like a new Story Mode, Stage Builder, Smash Run, Smash Tour, or any new game modes. I mean a poop ton of characters are great, but if it's only that, Classic Mode, Event Mode, & online multiplayer, it's pretty bare-bones for something that's called 'Ultimate'.
And you could argue they'll reveal more via Nintendo Directs, but not doing that at E3 when they'll get the absolute most attention is just bad marketing...
@jswhitfield8 you must be a hoot at parties..... You on the new honours list? Sir Buzz Killington I assume?
Smash Bros Ultimate was godly, but other than that and a few other announcements (Daemon × Machina, Fire Emblem Houses, Super Mario Party), this was a pretty "meh" Direct. Definitely expected more.
At least I’ll get to use WaLuigi in super Mario party
They showed that m4 thing too early last year. To not even see anything 12 months on is disappointing. When will see it? Next year? Nintendo Switch is amazing and i love it but they cannot rest on their laurels - 2019 for M4 would be a bit annoying - i was expecting Xmas this year but what are the bets that it will be Xmas 2019? By then switch will look mega outdated and we will need a switch 2 to even stay in the game! Surely everyone can see that? Surely?
@gatorboi352 Fortnite is a bit different that Minecraft. They're nowhere near as late to the party this time, and Fortnite is as big as it's ever been.
@johnvboy How is it hard to understand why people what another Pikmin game? Obviously, the people asking for it liked and played it. Surely you've enjoyed games that sold less than a million copies.
@ShadJV I agree with you. The game is fine as is, and I've played it so much already, I doubt DLC would get me to jump back in at this point. Still, it seems like such an easy win, I would have expected DLC by now.
I get why people might be a little disappointed, but I can't stress enough how much I disagree with the notion of teasing a title that's years away. Nintendo sticking to games coming out in the next 12 months is why I prefer their press conferences over others. If Yoshi and Metroid Prime 4 won't be out in that timeframe, it just means they were announced way too early. If Animal Crossing isn't ready, what's the point of hearing about it?
Teases that don't have dates and/or in-engine graphics are just expensive ways of saying "We got ideas and we making games"...which is a given considering the business Nintendo is in.
@roadrunner343 DLC would get me to jump back in though. The Luigi update didn’t, I didn’t really care, but dang it I want new content, it all ended well before I wanted it to. Perhaps I’m used to games that drag on and on lately and it’s better this way, but I waited since Sunshine to have big exploitable worlds again and I just want more, haha
For an E3 Direct I expected more. I heard Smash would be the main focus but when I felt it dragged on I checked and it said "20 min left" (watching a catch up). Ah good! time for a few more announcements. 19 min later, Smash was STILL PLAYING!!
Smash may be popular but I'm sure there are plenty who aren't. Its kinda like Sony's I wasn't really too interested in anything they showed and I got bored half way through a random banjo solo.
Looks like my hat tip goes to Microsoft this year.
All I hoped for (realistically) was a solid release date for Dark Souls, so of course it's a bit of a let-down for me that there was nothing on that front but a few seconds of footage maintaining the "Summer 2018" placeholder, but I'm satisfied with the FE 16 and Smash Bros. Ultimate reveals.
Overall, I'd give the presentation a 7 out of 10.
@jarvismp
Already mega outdated
@Ashunera84 no, they did, in fact, show '18. It showed the 18 world Cup update first, then showed 19.
Watched the smash presentation first on YouTube, which was definitely a mistake.
The E3 direct was going great, until I hit the start of the smash presentation... Then realised that was IT.
Given how successful the switch has been in the market, I was expecting a (mini?) flood of 3rd party, non-indy titles. But there was basically nothing.
Smash is one title I can't get into, and is a 100% no-purchase for my house. Pokemon probably for the kids, and likely to get Mario party.
But this is E3 ... Where is everything else? Labo? AC? Metroid? Third parties? More Splatoon?
Fire emblem looked great, but if there is nothing else they are going to show... This is one of the worst, if not the worst E3 ever from my perspective.
Got a huge backlog, will go back to Gungeon and Zelda.
It was awful! They should have at least told us what Retro is working on! :-/
@Aozz101x
I’ve been waiting since the end of fall last year
Man, I liked it. Nintendo do their own thing and they can drop a Direct on us any time they like, we know this... they keep us on our toes, and that's the way I like it.
I'm with ProJared on presentations. You can't be upset with what they didn't show and can only judge what was shown. What they showed was solid, although I am disappointed that Waluigi and Bomberman are stuck as Assist Trophies. I'm also glad it wasn't just the Nintendo Show and let second and third parties have their time in the spotlight too. I grade it a B.
@HipsterDashie
No Spyro announcement was the biggest disappointment of the day for me! That’s crazy! Skylanders sold much better on Nintendo consoles and now I doubt we will get Spyro
Going to likely have to wait all the way until TGS until we hear any more information on Nintendo's big AAA games.
@johnvboy
Thats true. The Switch target audience isn’t hardcore gamers who watch E3. I have a Switch for the one or two major titles as
year (although this year I will struggle to find two I want).
I agree with most everyone one here that this Direct really needed one more surprise. They really threw up all over us with SSBU. I really didn't need that much information.
I will admit I was mildly disappointed that they said nothing of Prime 4. I understand that was sent out last year because they wanted people to know what they were working on.
Overall, I would agree that E3 was a disappointment for the console companies. I would actually give the win to Microsoft this year. I know that most of the games will not be out until next year, but Sony has pretty much lived off of the same games for the last three years.
This might be some thing that we need to expect from now on. E3 may not mean as much. Sony has their own thing. Nintendo can drop a direct anytime they want to. We may be seeing the new norm.
Oh well, I still got enjoyment out of it but not as much as I hoped. I feel like a spoiled brat.
Very dull they needed to reduce the smash content and save some for treehouse.
No pikmin
No retro studios
No metroid 4
Overall 2/5
I have to admit, I am rather disappointed by the presentation. And I did not even go in with massive expectations.
While I will probably buy Smash, I am not a massive fan of the game, so the 20+ minutes they spent focusing on it just felt waaay overly bloated and detailed IMO. They did announce Mario Party, although I would hardly call that a big release, and they did finally show Fire Emblem (which looked AMAZING!), but that has been delayed to spring next year. Overall, it just was not exciting, and I found myself getting bored with the Smash info-dump very quickly.
Now, my question is: we know that Pokemon and Smash are going to be the November and December games, but what about August, September and October?
Q4 tends to be the prime window for big Nintendo releases, and I would be surprised if Nintendo banked on Captain Toad, Octopath, Starlink and Mario Party alone to carry them for the next 6 months. So...where are the big first-party names? Where is Yoshi, which we heard squat about, even though I am sure it was still slated for a 2018 release at the investors' meeting earlier this year? Where are Starfox, Pikmin and Animal Crossing? We did not even have any Mario Odyssey DLC or Wii/WiiU ports announced, so what has Nintendo been working on aside from Mario Party and Metroid all this time, since we have not had a new major first-party release since Mario Odyssey?
Sorry, end of rant...but it's good to see that I was not the only one who was left really disappointed after Ninty's show.
@thesilverbrick While I agree, it can't be denied that Mario Party looks very promising.
@Jezebel95
What were the Jan- May games?
@QuesoCuliao
Excited for Mario party !
I'm so hyped to play Pokemon Trainer again and Zelda's retro design looks great. Also, Ridley is finally here! I am worried at the lack of confirmed game modes, though. I want all the cool bells and whistles from Brawl back.
Otherwise, I got the look at Fire Emblem I was hoping for and Killer Queen Black looks neat. I'm pretty satisfied. We were missing things like Pikmin and Yoshi, but it was okay overall.
I don't think there was too much Smash and yeah I love Smash but I kinda really wished there was a new Animal Crossing.
Boring Nintendo direct, focused waaaayyy too much on smash! No animal crossing or Spyro coming to switch so... Yeah I hated it.
I feel dissappointed, but still I mostly feel sorry for Nintendo themselves. As the fall right now looks quite empty for big releases and Smash being in december, long after they start charging for playing online, it feels like they lost a lot of their momentum. Pokemon GoGo might reel some people in, but for players who like single player games there isn't much to be hyped about. Fire Emblem looks good, but spring 2019 could mean 11 months from now :/ I'll be surprised if they hit their 20 million systems sold target during this fiscal year. Please have a September Direct with lots of big 3rd party support!!
After an amazing 2017, I just can't believe that 2018 looks to be a complete bust except for Smash. Nintendo seems to have lost their momentum.
Not what I expected and very boring. I stopped watching and went back to radio stuffs~
@gatorboi352 Fortnite argument doesn’t really hold up though. That game is yet to fully launch on mobile. Its right in the middle of rolling out on more platforms.
The Mech game looked amazing. Mario party featured genuine witchcraft. Fortnite was a big game and looks very slick. Pokémon will sell a truck load (and probably prove Michael Pachter wrong!) aaaand no game has ever deserved the tagline Ultimate more than that Smash game. There was a nice show reel of close by games (including Killer Queen which looks amazing!). So on the whole it was a solid show.
I bet I'm not the only one wishing that so many games that are out in Japan or rumoured would finally get laid to rest. Mana 3 localisation, Earthbound Collection, Dragon Quest XI, Pocket Rumble there is a list as long as your arm. We all want the Switch to be perfect. The Switch is a success and after the relatively quiet first half of the year (omg!) some of us maybe fearing they are resting on their laurels after 2 GotY last year. ( I think Sony came across as more pretentious and arrogant this year lol. ) And anyway, it's E3. Nintendo use it to tout their wares, not announce roadmaps for the next 6 years. So I think it was fine. Microsoft took it for me though.
This E3 was definitely not what I expected, Smash was of course stellar but I don't know if the games shown are enough for Nintendo to hit their lofty goal, I personally came away expecting so much more now that the training year for the Switch was over. Only first party game from them I am looking forward to is Smash.
It's not my thing, but Fortnite is kind of a big deal to people who care about online games 'round these parts. So it coming to Switch is great news!
Seeing the first proper looking Mario Party in years is something worth getting excited about. I'd all but given up on that franchise after they added the vehicle.
I'm happy that the The World Ends With You remaster is still on track for 2018.
And as someone who likes Smash, I was pleasantly surprised to see so many characters being added to the roster compared to Sm4sh, with none being left behind. It really looks to be the ultimate entry! And all the overhauled mechanic changes to shielding, dodging, air attacks, and damage calculation is kind of a big deal to anyone who plays even somewhat seriously, even just with friends, not to mention the new UI features for tracking limited moves (both for the player and the opponent).
Nintendo, you can do better.
@roadrunner343,
Nothing against Pikmin,I just feel Nintendo need to be focusing on games that will sell well and get the switch base higher,then when they do release a Pikmin game it should do better.
I'm not a Fire Emblem or Mario Party player, and I'm not a big mecha fan, so Smash Bros. was the highlight for me. But boy did it serve.
Now I'm just going to wait patiently for a couple of surprises to show up during the Treehouse streams.
So anyone who was in this site or many others knew that half of the rumors ended up being true. Fortnite/paladins are big games out today, surprise. wait, ruin the surprise then complain about not being surprised. People on the internet are never happy.
disapointed really disapointed. Were not getting into another N64 GC situation where we see so many releases on the other systems and a occasional bone thrown at the switch. yes plenty indie games but big games lacking
@thesilverbrick I don’t agree Super Mario Party was the “only new first party title.” Daemon X Machina looks absolutely fantastic.
Well, I have 7 games currently preordered for the rest of the year (which is more than I ever have before) so I am plenty happy with how things went.
I mean... the Treehouse still has two whole days (plus the Splatoon and Smash tournaments that are going on right now). I think there's a fair chance that we'll see more games.
@johnvboy Sure - but a million seller is nothing to sneeze at. As long as they budget accordingly, selling a million copies of any game should be highly profitable. Considering the Wii U install base, 1.23 million is even more impressive, so it's no wonder to me that many people are clamoring for a sequel. I'd wager Pikmin 4 would sell much better simply due to Switch's popularity.
I haven't been the biggest Smash fan in recent years, and it makes me feel left out. I guess I'm in the minority, though, since Smash is one of the biggest brands.
The most exciting moment for me was Fire Emblem: Three Houses, definitely excited for that game.
I was ok with it - even though I'm not such a big multiplayer and have never got into Smash.
But not showing any MP4 at all is concerning. It basically confirms that Nintendo's big 'win' of showing the MP4 logo was nothing more than that - a logo. I honestly wander if the existence of that logo was all the 'in development' meant at that stage. It feels bloody cheeky now and a con. It's clearly nowhere near ready because they hadn't really started it at all before e3 2017. Naughty Nintendo.
However I guess it has created the necessary hype for the Switch going – but pull your fingers out now Nintendo - you committed yourselves!
Daemon, Fire Emblem and Smash were enough to me honestly.
@Al_Godoy I’m with you on that. Smash is fun and all, but fighting games aren’t my thing. I was hoping for something more from the direct.
look at me, bragging about how wonderfull the conference was going to be.
starfox, metroid 4 gameplay, pikmin4 perhaps? mario maker? al these games past that reveu.
what did we get?
a garbage and outdated (for switch standard) looking super smash brother game, an indie game, a converter for gamecube controllers.
the laugh is on us nintendo fans.
a very dissapointed e3 conference.
i even wonder if anyone even started working on some of these games. its more to keep us hooked on the switch.
guess we have to wait till fall, to know if everything was bulshit or not.
@Fake-E-Lee I'm with you man. These comments are almost shocking to me. But then again, these fans... sometimes I just smh. Dont get it.
I know it was only 5 seconds but if your 2018 E3 presentation has minecraft filling the numbers something is wrong.
The lack of third party support was very sad to see after such a great 2017. Starting to think Wolfenstien is going to be the last big mutliplatform game.
@Yorumi
Nintendo fans are extremely optimistic and loyal, even when they get crapped on.
Way more excited about Tales of vesperia than Smash.
I agree. The E3 presentation was downright awful.
Smash Bros should have its own separate direct for stuff like that. Yes, smash bros it and of itself is awesome, it's great. And granted, the Gamecube controller (how will it work though? another adapter?) and the amiibo are perfect, beautiful. Ridley trailer amazing [I do think they could have had a cool intro too with epic music again and they didn't]
But that was what? 75% of the presentation? What? and where's 3DS? Gone caput?
Pretty awful. I think Sony and Microsoft and those are even more awful. But this was awful too TBH.
I was overall very disappointed in Nintendo. Even though they apparently consolidated their internal dev teams, their slow output continues to baffle and annoy me! Smash Bros we knew about, Yoshi is delayed till next year, Metroid is absent and all I saw NEW that was noteworthy was Super Mario Party! Nothing further information on the new online service and no announcements on Wii or even GameCube or N64 titles hitting the eshop?!? Nothing on Netflix or YouTube for those who want those apps and I felt the indie titles was a bit light!! My score? C-
I really expected them to pull out all the stops this time around!! 🤮
@PALversusNTSC
2017 has see a poop ton of indies games come to the e-shop weekly tho? Haha. This console consists of 96% indie games, 1% third party,2% ports,1% first party games so far thru almost a year and a half of its existence.
I was disappointed. Was really hoping for more 3rd party support. I'm also baffled that Dark Souls still doesn't have a release date or any mention of the network test either.
People made fun of Sony's format but man, they brought the goods. The games they showed looked absolutely spectacular so I'll forgive that dumb intermission right at the start of the show.
@joey302 I totally forgot about that. I can't believe there's no mention of a UI update, or backwards compatibility. It's unbelievable that Nintendo isn't even doing basic stuff like that. Didn't Wii U have all that within the first year?
After reading this article, we’re gonna take a break. But when we come back, MOAR SMASH!
Came for E3, stayed for the chat.
worse than 2008 maybe? At least that year had animal crossing.....
No Metroid, no F-Zero, no mention of what Retro have been working on, no Animal Crossing, no new Zelda no new Mario, no 3DS news, no info on Online, no big third party announcements, no CoD, no GTAOnline, this was pretty much bare minimal.. they could just easily have released a simple YouTube trailer for Smash Ultimate and called it a day. Absolutely lazy on Nintendo’s part.
@Dysnomia I don’t believe that’s an internal Nintendo title.
@daveh30 I must've blinked. A new feature (even if already announced) is a bit different than announcing an old game, in which case the article is being a bit dishonest for dramatic effect.
Worst E3 from Nintendo in recent years in my opinion. Even the ones from the Wii U days seemed better. I’m not a fan ok Pokemon and I’m not a fan of Smash at all, so when that came on and didn’t go away, I just switched off.
That first game looked good stylistic wise, keen to get more info on that (not that I have a Switch yet).
I’m also surprised at my complete lack of excitement for the new Fire Emblem game. I liked Awakening, but Fates was horrendous. I’m yet to play the 3rd one on the 3DS (forgot what it’s called), which looks ok. Nothing will beat the 3 FE GBA games it seems.
Overall I’m feeling somewhat deflated. I was at least expecting some new Yoshi info, that game looks great.
@Lord I’m right there with you! I don’t understand why the heck they won’t reveal what Retro Studios is working on??
It wasn't the worst E3 showing I've seen from Nintendo (that one went to 2015), but it wasn't the best, either (that went to both 2014 and 2017).
Still, I am excited for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, and cannot wait to see what they have in store for it.
I honestly miss iwata doing the Direct. My eyes feel more relax ( most games they announced are not on a speed bullet train ) They give just about most of the games a little air time.
Don't know where or when they said this Direct is mainly focusing on Smash (On twitter? I did not read that memo). All I saw was Get a look at Nintendo Switch games for 2018, including Super Smash Bros “Include” is not the same as “mainly focusing”
I don't get the negativity here. I think the presentation was solid. Also if you really think Smash Ultimate is just a glorified Wii U port you must not have been paying very much attention. Also there is a reason they didn't show MP4 or AC or Yoshi. Metroid and Animal Crossing are still probably relatively early in development and Yoshi would have probably been drowned out in the smash hype.
Honestly the direct wasn't that good, but if you look at the games we are getting from this month til' the end of the year, we are getting a lot of great games!
Nintendo could have easily did the Sony thing and showed a teaser trailer for Metroid Prime 4 and Yoshi and that, but what is the point? We know they are coming, and they don't have a release date anytime soon.
That was my thing I hated about Sony and Microsofts conferences. Sony showed trailers for games, but didn't give a release date or anything for The Last of Us Part 2, Ghosts, and Death Stranding, just teased the games some more. Microsoft showed off a lot of games, but most of the games are coming out next year (February 2019 it seems to be).
So even though they focused way too much of Super Smash Bros and the direct was kind of bad, we are getting good games, and most likely will see more from Yoshi and other third party games in later Nintendo Directs.
This was definitely a disappointing E3 to me personally. I love Smash but they should’ve just ended talking about it when they announced all characters are returning instead of detailing every single minute aspect that’s changed. They should’ve saved that for a Smash Direct later in the year. And there were barely any new 1st party game announcements besides Mario Party. And with Yoshi and Fire Emblem pushed to next year, there's barely any new 1st party games coming after July until November (ignoring Mario Party).
@bratzdoll @Kienda @thesilverbrick @rjejr I agree 100% with you, as well as the other people who posted here with similar opinions.
Pretty meh (and I didn’t even expect AC or Metroid). No big surprises and Smash, while it looks great, didn’t impress me like I think Nintendo wanted it too. Glad I can play Hollow Knight and OCTO expansion tomorrow though!
I was expecting more along the lines of last year's rapid fire trailers and reveals. I'm stoked for Smash and especially for my precious Ice Climbers coming back, but I'm pretty much done with hearing more about the game until it comes out. At least they started off strong unlike Sony's banjo session and intermission after a single demo last night.
@Wolfgabe
"Metroid and Animal Crossing are still probably relatively early in development"
Well Metroid yes, obviously, but Animal Crossing? The last game was in 2012. It is absolutely mind boggling that Nintendo hasn't made it a priority cause Animal Crossing is a slow burn, cash cow. I really don't know why they're dragging their feet on that one.
Damn, the people complaining clearly don't want things to get better.
The amount of detail was ridiculous! I’m happy for the hardcore fans of the series though .
Biggest disappointment was undoubtedly the Fire Emblem and Yoshi delays. Was hoping for a bit more third party support too (though the leak spoiled some surprises there). In terms of presentation I'm not sure talking about Smash for what felt like 5 days was a good idea. All seemed a bit disjointed.
However in terms of sales momentum Switch will be fine. The first party lineup is a bit thin but has Smash and Pokemon. Throw in Fortnite, a Monster Hunter, FIFA on top of what's already available and it will sell. Just not a lot for my personal taste.
But then that was true of the whole show. Endless monotonous online shooters and games without any hint of a release date. If Microsoft has the best conference off the back of that showing its a bad E3 all round.
@MoonKnight7 AC was 2012, but HHD, New Leaf: Welcome amiibo and that mobile game. Perhaps they are just pacing them out. Plus AC:aF was a complete utter total disaster who'a amiibo are still clogging up the shelves at TRU.
Maybe Nintendo has given up on full AC home console games?
The direct was a complete let down. 25mins on Smash?! They should have covered most of all that stuff in the treehouse or do it's own direct in a month or so.Third party announcements?metroid?Bayonetta 3? What are Retro up to? The one thing Nintendo have convinced me of is that I'll be playing my ps4 a lot more....Well done 👏
Guys, Nintendo has pissed me the hell off every E3 for years now.
They couldn't even give us a Metroid Prime cinematic trailer at least?
But always more of the same sequels.
This is why I didn't buy a Wii U and won't buy a Switch until Prime 4 arrives.
The press conference was a total waste of my time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, you youngsters are reading too much into leaks and rumors. I understand being hyped and wanting more but it is what it is. I wanted a Metroid Prime 4 trailer but oh well. They Smash segment did what it needed to do and that was highlight changes. I like that a NEW title is announced for next year not just another entry in a series. Overall it was good but remember other directs exist through out the year. Nintendo does what Nintendo does. E3 happened now lets look forward to the next direct.
Back to the old nintendo. They should have had more than one AAA game. Where are the single player games? I thought they learned their lesson. You need games every year not every other year.
For me, regarding what a "presentation, exhibition" of what Nintendo has (for now) for the Switch and 3DS in the remainder of the year and the beginning of the next (even though there was nothing for the last one, 3DS) was convincing and a "success";
Besides that we know that Nintendo always announces more games in the following Nintendo Directs, so if there was not something ""for now"", then some new in the next, in 2 months, more or less.
Now, There was something that caught my attention (besides Smash Bros)?, well yes, I can say that I am disappointed (and really in all the E3 in general), but I know that "NOT always" will have something I want, so maybe next time, and next time.
Well, for now, playing and waiting for the few games that I liked in all this E3. XD
@rjejr I dunno, I was kinda down on the PS demonstration early on, but the fact is that Ghost of Tsushima and Death Stranding looks really amazing, also Spiderman looks good, Arkham but brighter, funnier and featuring everyone's favorite friendly neighbourhood Spider. TLoU2 will probably be amazing as well, though the presentation was kinda okay, felt very scripted and too Tomb-Raider-meets-Uncharted to me. Still, they also announced Nioh 2, which is pretty awesome, a new exclusive From Software VR game, we also get Sekiro from From Software as well, which is looks rad as hell, and I was surprised to see Remedy announce a new game for Playstation (considering that previously Alan Wake and Quantum Break were PC/Xbox titles exclusively).
The only thing that - in retrospect - is kinda disappointing is that all of these are 3rd-person-action-stealth-RPGs of one variety or another, plus Spidey asside, all look kinda dark'ish in terms of tone.
I think Microsoft was trying so hard. I've been saying for years, that they should stop their fruitless partnerships and outright use their deep pockets (Sony simply has no way to compete here if we are honest) to outright buy good developers to broaden the appeal of Microsofts Studios longterm. That they finally came around to that view is great, it is or more to the point it will be, but for right now, it's just mroe of the same. 2-3 years down the road, the fruits of those investments will be reaped, and that's great, but for now it was pretty much stuff we've seen before, including weird "exclusive" deals that are timed, console exclusive, DLC exclusive and what not, plus the 57th Crackdown 3 trailer - minus the amazing destructability we've been initialy promised.
Again, I like Phil Spencer, and he seems to have the right idea, broadly speaking, but let's be very clear here: I'd prefer to have the Phantom Dust reboot and Scalebound back over about 90% of the stuff they've showed this time around. Look, Forza Horizon is great and all as well, but we really could use a 2nd spin-off to break the 2-year Forza/FH cycle, that makes all of tihs kinda predictable, and honestly, FHvsFH2vsFH3vsFH4 ... they are NOT that different, all amazing games, but if you've played one ...
Personally, I think Forza should put it's own spin on the a Driver'esque scenario. That would be friggin amazing. Still, having brought Playground into the fold is a huge boon, and I'm curios to see what they can do beyond Forza - or more to the point, how their take on the rumored Fables game will turn out.
I was kinda disappointed, that there was little to no coverage of jRPGs in general. Nier Automata coming to Xbox? Great, so Scalebound did not kil the Microsoft-PlatinumGames-relationship! Tales Of Vesperia Remastered incl. PS3 content? Great, but it's an ancient game and Tales Of Symphonia it ain't (which we already got remastered). Other than that, we pretty much got a bunch of Kingdom Hearts, which again is mostly a 3rd-person action-game imho.
I will say, that I was kinda interested in that Gears of War Tactics game they showed. I'm actually looking forward to hearing more about that, as that could be pretty cool, and tactics/strategy/actual (j)RPG was totally, vastly and utterly underrepresented this year even more than the years before.
Still, Ubisoft had a great showing. Their pirate game looked miles and miles better than last year, Beyond Good & Evil looks absolutely stunning imho, and I'm actually interested in the Donkey DLC for MxR.
The worst show clearly was once again EA. Turning C&C into a mobile game joke is truly offensive to me, and utterly uncalled for. They could have just made up a new IP for that. No point in ******* with longterm fans like that - downright despicable if you ask me, at least as far as something like that can be despicable.
So all in all, I still feel that Sony has a leg up on the competition in the next months in terms of AAA 1st-party exclusives, and obviously, their 3rd-party support is as strong as it can possibly be. Plus, I'm 100% sure that they will show something at the end of the year during their yearly Playstation Experience - that is a given. They said they would focus on their four tentpole releases (Spiderman, Death Stranding, Ghost and TLoU2) and they did just that, yet that is not to say that there is nothing else happening. There is no way Bloodborne 2 is not going to happen eventually (though it might be a 2020 PS5 launch title) for instance.
Sony also has the advantage of having already delivered the goods in spades in the last year and even last couple of weeks, ranging from Horizon Zero Dawn to the new and better-than-ever God Of War, even ignoring the gorgeous Ni No Kuni 2.
My biggest gripe with Microsoft is the still limited range of their library. There is nothing to compare with Ni No Kuni 2 or Persona 5 for instance. Their Mistwalker corporation is longe gone, Scalebound dead and buried, so all they had was that Vesperia remaster and the "hey KH is coming to Xbox, too, yo!"-trailer.
Not a single purchase made by Microsoft is going to change that. I almost wished that would have outright bought Mistwalker or Platinum or whatever. Just so that the poor Xbox can finally move beyond Shooting, Racing and Indies (they do shooting well though, and no one can compete in terms of racing^^).
Anyways, long story short, Octopath and Fire Emblem look amazing, but so do Ghost, Death Stranding, Spiderman, TLoU and Sekiro I just wish Metroid and SMTV would have been shown. Then ... well, then Nintendo could have edged out Sony.
@johnvboy Because they're amazingly fun games in a genre we don't get many games in, that's why. What have sales figures got to do with it ? if you love a game, you love it, simple, it doesn't matter whether a million or more people also do.
It felt very light on content for me. The only game they mentioned that I'll buy is Captain Toad and I already knew about that.
I don't think it's all bad news, though. There are games coming and they appeal to many people - Smash and Pokemon particularly, but there was also Fortnite, Hollow Knight, etc. Even though I won't play them, it's good they're here.
So poor for me personally, but not necessarily bad long-term for the future. Gives me a chance to catch up on my backlog anyway. I haven't started Odyssey yet, so I'm good.
BTW Octo-Expansion is releasing tommorow.
Seems like there might be some more surprises at the Treehouse, even if they aren't megaton announcements.
My two cents: best Direct in ages. No Metroid was a little surprising but there was enough good stuff in there to have me pumped for the next year. There'll be too many excellent games for me to possibly play, so what more could I want?
@Ralek85 I am excited PS4 RE2.
Still no idea what Death Stranding is all about, TLoU2 Not interest in the first ( and my is a TLoU PS4 bundle. Got it cos it was on sale, not cos of the game.) Spiderman looks wicked and Ghost of Tsushima I was hyped when it first announce, but now I see it's english dub, I'm not too sure.
Did not watch Xbox or Microsoft. Did not watch Square Enix ( was it already up? ) So I am not sure what they present.
Also, I felt that they cold have had a splash screen at the end showing titles/logos of upcoming games like Yoshi and Prime 4. All they needed was to remind us they're still coming.
Doesn't make sense to announce games one year, then not even mention them the next.
I don't think there was too much Smash time, and this is coming from someone who doesn't even care too much about Smash. I just think that other titles and announcements deserved more time as well. I mean, this wasn't a live thing, it was a Direct, so they could have made it longer. Or done it in 2 parts or something.
Smash Ultimate being a derivative sequel/montage of old content is fine, but the long, drawn out presentation of it shows that they felt the need to justify it.
Honestly, maybe they do. This is the kind of Smash Game I'd expect if it was 2016. 4 years after Smash 4 and the best we can get is 2 new characters, a clone character, and a mashup of old content returning, most of which (like characters) should never have been cut to begin with.
I expected nothing and was still disappointed. No Metroid, No Yoshi, No Pikmin, No Bayonetta, No Fire Emblem, No 8th gen Pokemon, No Retro Studios game? We've known about most of these games for a year and we still know basically nothing about them. Like, if 1 or 2 of those games weren't ready to be shown, that'd be all right. But for so many of these games to not have proper reveals is downright unacceptable. What a bad E3.
Fortnite coming to Switch is a great addition. Dragonball fighters Z is cool. Its nice that EA still supports Switch with Fifa 2019 (not just a reskin). But thats about that. We already knew about Pokemon lets go and new Smash Bros
Was hoping for more 3d party support on AAA titles
This E3 direct had done nothing to get me off the fence and buy a Switch. So much empathise on Smash which having owned both Wii U and 3DS versions leaves me hungry for new experiences - and seemingly at odds with Nintendo’s cautious software dev strategy.
Nintendos portable wiiu system.
Did the fact that Olimar’s helmet cracks for a second when he is hit need to feature in Nintendo’s E3 presentation?
I agree there was some good stuff in there, but perhaps take a slightly dimmer view overall than Damo. I thought it was anti-climactic, badly paced in general, and lacking in charm.
@johnvboy "....funny thing is the masses that are buying the switch and playing these games won't even watch the E3 presentation."
Yep they'll be like "the what???" Not even on the majority of the buying public's radars. E3 means nothing to them but if you listen to people in here you'd think it was as big as the World Cup. The heartache in here goes by completely unnoticed.
I went into this E3 with no expectations - I've never been into Smash ever, but that looks like a damn fine game with a ridiculously huge amount of content. I think I'm converted. I hope they drop a demo...Saw a few other titles there that definitely caught my eye. Personally I've still got titles from the first year of the Switch I still want to buy, but struggle to find time to play, add to those the titles out this year, I've got tons of games to get through before I'm likely to get bored.
It's not Nintendo's fault that this group of people build their hopes up so much and take to comment boards afterwards acting crushed and wounded.
Very underwhelming presentation to say the least. All we really got was a roided up Smash U. Fortnite and Hollow Knight has been out for quite some time now. E3 is for announcing games that haven't come out yet, not games that a mil+ people already own. Nintendo are the only ones at E3 that have done this. No info about MP4 or Bayo 3. It's not like my expectations were high, it's that Nintendo's showing was so low. Even Microsoft had a better E3, of all companies. Nintendo was on the 1 yard line, went to throw for a touchdown, but threw a pick six instead.
Nintendo do not understand how to put on a show that wows everybody world wide. Their marketing is focused on Japan Japan Japan and this is evidenced by the retro art and flashing arcade style imagery used in all its presentations. I am sure I speak for many that would suggest this E3 clip reel seems very much an after thought . Anybody could put this together in around a couple of hours - Yet here is an opportunity to put the fans first that were hurt by the piss poor Wii U marketing, put the Switch on a pedestal where it belongs, and prove the Devs how dumb they are if they do not support the platform!
It hurts to see the Nintendo powerhouse from the 80s/90s losing touch. Sure the games are great but without effort to show the console strength they are be in a constant fight for AAA titles.
Focusing on the one game we all knew was coming but didn't need info on except a release date, not even touching the one game we all want, and announcing more ports. A big womp womp from Nintendo.
We got Super Mario Party, and I'm happy at last.
Too much Smash though, true. Would love some more details on other games besides the trailers. After watching Sony and Ubi presentations, it feels like the Nintendo one severely lacks in charm. Lots of trailers and some Reggie speaking to the camera. I guess, they save all the blabbering for the Treehouse...
@UnknownReader What do you mean by "english dub"? Did you expect expect Japanese and Mongolese and subs? I mean, you will potentially get a Japanese dub, but other than that ... It never occured to me, that Sucker Punch, a Washington-State based studio, would create a foreign-language game and show it as such during Sony's E3 presentation. That would have been even more curios than the banjo and flute players - which were already standing out like sore thumb unfortunately (not that they were bad per se!).
Anywas, I agree about Re2 and Spidey, plus I'm not that hot on TLoU either, but it might still be a great game! Definitely the least interesting sofar out of the 4 tentpole games shown. Death Stranding is a curious one for sure. Let's not forget that it came out of Kojima leaving Konami, the failed attempt at a Silent-Hill game featuring Reedus and DeToro and that utterly curious PT demo! I don't think anyone is quite sure what it is yet, possibly not even Kojima himself Still, it was gorgeous, and it just looked like a compelling world to me. I'm definitely interested and way more than I was before. I also really like just like Reedus and Mikkelsen - obviously
The whole "cinematic gaming" angle has not been really cracked imho. Cinematic often means pretentious, pseudo-epic, cutscene-ridden linearly scripted movie simulators - you can occasionally push forward by pressing a button or two. I'm not saying Death Stranding is the be all and end all, but potentially, it could be one of those rare steps in the right direction - potentially! The talent is certainly there, the ressources as well, such is the will apparently. Let's just wait and see, it's definitely alot more compelling at this point than Crackdown 3 (which I was initally excited about, but that was years ago ... =/ )
Every year people seem to expect Nintendo to announce everything at the E3 Direct and every year Nintendo doesn’t because of other Directs and stuff. It should be obvious Nintendo doesn’t care about “winning” E3.
I stood up until 2A.M. for the Direct and I found out that except Dragon Ball FighterZ, there was literally nothing for me there.
I don’t care about Fortnite or Smash Bros. so it was an extremely disappointment in its entirety.
I mean, that’s what Nintendo had to announce? Just two games? Mario Party and Smash Bros.? Only that?
It looks like apart from Octopath Traveller, Wolfenstein and DB FighterZ, I won’t be getting any other Switch game in 2018.
I’m beyond disappointed.
2017 was awesome, 2018 is being terrible so far.
@MoonKnight7 Again we do not know when exactly have they started development on Animal Crossing Switch
The comments section here just goes to show that people are just plain spoiled and will never be truly happy regardless of what Nintendo shows. I mean seriously everywhere else I have been has been pretty positive with this E3 so far so why does this site have to be doom central
@Wolfgabe It was a good presentation if you like Smash. If you don't like Smash it was disappointing. They showed some very cool games before the 30 minute Smash content but they're all 2019 or no date. There was absolutely no reason to spend so much time on Smash Wii U Champion Edition, because that's all it is. "Look, this person makes a different face when you hit them!" "Look, it's just the same characters we've had in every Smash game but we added 2 new people and a clone!"
I love Nintendo and my Switch but there is nothing to get excited about for the rest of this year unless you like Smash and it's a lazy Smash at that. Or those Pokemon amateur edition games I suppose.
The reason FE Three Houses was shown off despite being a 2019 release is because originally it was said to be coming in 2018 and Nintendo felt they had to address the new release date. Simple as that.
@Wolfgabe Spot on.
An E3 like this makes me happy to have multiple systems. I'm sure Nintendo will have more to show this year but they seem to just be pushing Pokemon light and Smash Wii U Champion Edition for the rest of this year. Where was SMT? Yoshi? Metroid? Fire Emblem is 2019 now? No More Heroes? Ugh....I'm just disappointed we didn't get something more. If the Wii U hadn't failed the Switch would have a small library.
Was expecting a bit more , but then again did thought nintendo would reveal stuff during the treehouse. So far we got some nice reveals and did anyone expect octo expansion to be out tomorrow?
Not the best planned presentation from a company that can get away with it because they have the Midas touch right now. Wish it would have been better balanced, but hey, I have no complaints because the switch is the greatest portable system ever made, and they are cranking out hit after hit.
GUYS I COULDN'T TELL, DID NINTENDO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE NEW SUPER DUPER SMOOSH SIBLINGS GAME?
It is frustrating to see people calling others entitled or spoilt for simply being disappointed, can you blame people for naturally expecting updates for already announced games ? (Prime 4, Pokemon, Bayo 3, SMT, Yoshi, Pikmin 4) or those heavily hinted at (Animal Crossing, Wave Race).
Heck it's been over four years since we heard from Retro Studios, they are my fave devs in the industry, am i entitled to really want to hear what they are working on ?
The Switch is over a year old and we still don't have simple things like folders, e-shop music, youtube or internet apps.
If you're happy with Smash great, i'm glad for you but it doesn't make others frustrations or disappointment unjustified or unwarranted, just my two cents.
E3? More like...blah3...I don’t know I’ve got nothing.
I think we should've gotten a few more reveals, namely Yoshi even if it is a 2019 title now. Then again, I can appreciate Nintendo's approach of keeping E3 to games that will come out within a year from now. I have plenty of upcoming Switch games to play this year, funny enough, mostly third party titles, so that's why I'm not that upset that they went light on the announcements.
Similar to BotW in 2016, Smash Ultimate was the highlight for the entire E3 for me. Speaking of which, this whole E3 was just "okay". Microsoft probably had the best show, but they really needed it. Th Switch and PS4 have been stomping the XB1 for over a year now and it didn't look like MS was even going to be making consoles anymore.
I like Smash, but I agree that too much time might have been spent on it. I get it: Nintendo wants to focus on more of the here and soon-to-be, but I still can't help but be a little underwhelmed. I'm not disappointed per se as some good stuff was shown that I'm genuinely interested in (Fire Emblem: Three Houses, the XC2 DLC, Smash/Ridley in Smash, and Octopath Traveler, to name a few), but I wish there had been...more. Some titles I felt deserved more time in the spotlight other than the brief flashes they received on the screen. Personally, I was AT LEAST hoping for a solid release date for TWEWY, but they stuck to a release window for the time being.
Also, I know that the Switch is the king of Nintendo's castle right now, but I expected at least a tiny segment devoted to the 3DS games that we know are coming. I would, at the very least, like a release date for the Luigi's Mansion port.
Granted, we still have two more days of Nintendo Treehouse, so perhaps some smaller reveals have been closeted until then?
@Ralek85 It's base on Japanese History The game is set during the First Mongol Invasion of Japan So I am actually expecting Japanese dub english Sub. (I don't even mind Mongolian language). I'm those who prefer original language base on the characters (even if I don't understand "Korean, Thai, European or even Mongolian" ) like "Ryū ga Gotoku Ishin!" I like the game, and I'm actually hoping they bring it over to the West.
Like If I play RE, God of Wars or Spidey, I would prefer them speaking in English.
(I've only watch bits and pieces of PS presentation, too much talking in-between ) so, I don't recall if Playstation show Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden. But it's one of the game I am looking forward to beside RE2.
@youkoaoshi Okay I don't know how you can possibly think smash ultimate is just a wii u port. There are way too many new assets and mechnical tweaks for this to be considered a straight up port of smash 4
@Toadie The thing is people allowed their expectations to be raised way too high off a bunch of leaks several of which have kinda been proven false right now. They had a good reason to push smash as much as they did and I realize that Nintendo can't just release all their major franchises within one year
@Bolt_Strike You clearly don't realize that game development often takes time. When they showed that MP4 logo last year they probably were just starting work on that game
I was disappointed by the lack of Animal Crossing, but I'm not going to be one of those people that hypes themselves up for it at every single event and then blames Nintendo, as certain fanbases have been doing for a while.
I'm still confident that AC will be released before the end of 2019. And what? People think that Smash is the only game releasing in September-December? More will be shown in time.
@Wolfgabe
Right, but given that we’ve heard nothing makes me think they started way too late, or if it’s even a thing. Thats my point. Animal Crossing is a monster in sales, the longer they wait, the less you can capitalize on its “legs”. 6 years is a mighty long time to say, we just started working on it. An utter shame if that’s the case.
@Ralek85 You are the target E3 audience. ☺
Yes there are good games all around, and there will be more in the future, but this E3 still felt stale and underwhelming. I come for the E3 spectacle, excitement and new announcements. I think the best response the past 3 days was Starfox in destined for failure Starlink. And people are super excited for Octoling and XC2 DLC. DLC is the new big thing. That's just sad.
A week from now this will be past and I'll play catch up with all the games I've put on hold while they finished - MvR, NNK2, XC2. Maybe get Ys VIII. But I'll never look back on this E3 fondly. Never ever.
@Wolfgabe I agree with you points i just don't see why some others are attacking people who wanted more/wanted something else.
@Wolfgabe I'm not trying to be a jerk but an honest question: Are you experienced in normal fighting games like Street Fighter, Guilty Gear, etc.? I ask because what they showed for Smash today is pretty much par for the course for any fighter getting updated but not a true sequel. SF 4 had several version that added characters, mechanics, stages, tweaks, balancing, etc and it still isn't a full new game. This game tweaked, exactly like you said. Nothing huge was changed. Look at all the Wii U ports the Switch has gotten so far. Why are you so confident this one isn't when most signs port to Champion Edition Smash?
@rjejr
I am also beginning to wonder if they’ve just given up on it to make it a mobile only title. That would be a shame cause the window is closing to get a game out that has substantial long lasting legs — much like New Leaf.
Same with Retro, they couldn’t possibly have worked on the Tropical Freeze port, and only the port. And yet, after years, we still don’t know what they’re doing. Makes me think it’s nothing Nintendo related.
@Wanjia i agree, there's a big (first-party) gap between Mario Tennis Aces and Pokemon, maybe it will be still be filled by something that hasn't been announced yet but it's looking increasingly unlikely.
Personally i am just gutted we didn't get Pikmin 4 and the Prime Trilogy in HD for this year, those alone would have been enough for me, even more frustrating when we heard the former was almost complete so many years ago, makes you wonder if its being totally redesigned or something ?
There have been rumblings of a New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe (which I couldn't care less about) and a Metroid Prime Trilogy enhanced port/remaster (which I very much care about) in the works. I definitely think at least one of those could be released this year, though the fact that those aren't new games likely prevented Nintendo from showcasing them in their Direct.
No Metroid 4? After all we were hyped over that game but nothing comes out fro
E3 WTF!!!?
I don’t know what the complaints are about. They said they were focusing on smash and they did. Oh well if it is not your kind of game. It is millions others including mine. And teasing for the future was last year e3. Teasing for the future is not as good as it once was. I rather only really here about games coming out the year they are announced. It surprising and it gives you something unexpected to look forward to sooner. Than hoping a game like crackdown doesn’t get another delay. Microsoft announced that four years ago and killed all the hype with unexpected delays. Nintendo can’t be like that. Sure they did it with BOTW but it was going to be amazing cause who was making it. So I will enjoy the smash and other news and when they are ready to talk about other games I will be for that too. Plus the year is not over. Sure they don’t hold events at gamescom or tgs but they do have some kind of announcementsbat those times. So stop your whining put your head up high and believe in the company that made BOTW, Odyssey, and the ultimate smash.
@youkoaoshi and how do you know Ultimate is not a true sequel I might ask? They haven't even shown off any of the altnerate modes or single player content. Also they have been working on this game for up to three years at this point
@MoonKnight7 Just a reminder New Leaf was released in 2012 but it took them almost half a year to localize it for NA. They could be working on it right now its probably just not in a showable state yet
@siavm You have guts saying that in a place where no sort of positivity is allowed
@Wolfgabe
“They could be working on it right now its probably just not in a showable state yet“
Well, obviously.
Ok, so 5.5 years then, that’s still a really long time, but localization is different from development so I don’t see your point with that. I’m not trying to argue, it’s just a shame not capitalizing on a franchise that has incredible legs — if they’re even working on one at all. Not seeing it today really makes me wonder.
@rjejr Indeed. This end of year looks pretty weak for solo players
@roadrunner343 Thanks for making the argument on Pikmin!
@Wolfgabe I get that but if your game isn't even close to done you probably shouldn't be announcing it that early to begin with. As it stands pretty much half of what they announced back in E3 2017 are 2019 games. Which is concerning either way, either they showed them off way too early and the Switch is going to lose momentum or there's a lot of games that ran into development problems. Not really a good idea to show a game off and then go into radio silence for 2 years, people forget about them in that time and it negatively affects the marketing.
I figured they wouldn't have much to show for 2018. They haven't been signaling ANY signs that anything more than what was shown would be on the way. In several cases, the big reveals were expansion DLC's. E3 2019 is going to be much more significant for new games. 2018 in general is likely to be a down year after firing everything off in 2017... Very Wii U-like for this year. Not that there aren't good things coming, certainly there are. It's just shocking that there's still not THAT much 3rd party support being displayed yet. I would give it another year.
That said, Daemon X Machina looks really cool. When they lead off with it, my hype rose to 11, before nearly 30 minutes of Smash sent it spiraling down to 1. Not that Smash is bad, just... it was filling the time because there was nothing more to show. It's basically just an enhanced port of Smash 4- that shouldn't be taking up nearly 30 minutes.
@Wolfgabe I can't say 100 percent that its a rehash but all the stuff I've seen, down to the only slightly modified logo and name, point towards rehash. It will still be fun. Just not 30 minutes of an E3 presentation then immediate Tree House coverage levels of fun.
Nintendo blew it. No big reveal except maybe Daemon. Nothing to draw gamers away from Sony and Microsoft (both of which has better games shown this e3).
No triple a game for the holiday season. Smash is still a wii u upgrade, so 2018 is just wii u upgrade year, and with Captain Toad, Hyrule Warrior and Tropical Freeze?
Nintendo promised a steady stream of games when the Switch launched last year (to maintain momentum), so where are the games?
Mario Party no longer excite people.
They should have some teaser in there. Where's Starfox Grand Prix? What other games do they have in the pipeline? E3 is E3, why does some Nintendo Direct have more content that this E3 presentation?
@Bolt_Strike The problem isn't announcing games that are 2-3 years off, but rather the recent habit of going into radio silence as a matter of course. Remember that Ocarina of Time was first shown off at Space World in 2H 1995, about 3 years and 4 months before launch. However, they were consistently providing updates on it's progress over time, to ensure people weren't in the dark about it. OoT was shown off during E3 '96, '97, and '98, frequently got previews and screenshots through Nintendo Power, and of course appeared during Tokyo Game Show and subsequent Space Worlds as well. Compared to how Breath of the Wild was handled, and the modern "communication strategy"... night and day.
Nintendo just doesn't seem willing to communicate well within the digital age, they had more consistent communication during the print age, even though most people only had once a month updates.
I didn’t expect Metroid 4, Animal Crossing, or the real Pokémon game. Seriously people you can’t expect Nintendo to release all these beloved games in the Switch’s first couple of years! It’s not smart from a business standpoint. They are building their game collection. I think this speaks volumes for their expected longevity of this system.
I think this was a pretty good showing. There was some on the “leaked” games and some that were not. There were games I was interested in and games I’m not sure about. I don’t care about that mecha game but I can appreciate that there are a bunch who will love it. I personally can’t wait for Overcooked 2 lol and I’m sure some think it was a waste of E3 space.
Nintendo is very good about holding several Nintendo Directs throughout the year. There will be more announcements to come.
This E3 will hurt Nintendo. The E3 is bad but worse is the year ahead. Good selling console yet no third party and... no first party either. What are they doing? No 3ds at all. All focus should be on pumping masterpieces on Switch. Instead we get loads of fillers and a port. Perhaps is a lot of bad marketing and some games announced will deserve (e.g. deamon mecha stuff) but I doubt. Switch becoming a smartphone games hub?
@MoonKnight7 New Leaf was a 3DS game, This is an HD Switch game we are talking about here. Pretty big difference in terms of workload and resource demands
@PlywoodStick I distinctly remember hearing about “the new Zelda game” before the Wii U was released. I waited in agony throughout the entire Wii U’s lifespan for BotW. While they released many remake. I’ve decided that I don’t want to hear about the game until it’s closer to being released.
@Wolfgabe
And 6 years... I feel like you and I are running in circles here, lol.
@techdude Microsoft was indeed a good E3 showing... PlayStation? I’ve never seen a showing so weak from them.
@MoonKnight7 Again we do not know when or if they have actually started development on animal crossing switch
Guess my enjoyment of the direct has me in the minority. I'm psyched.
@youkoaoshi Just because the logo looks the same doesn't make it a port
@Mamabear Part of the reason why you were "in agony" was because Nintendo maintained near total radio silence. A stark contrast from their past level of communication. Who knows why they're doing this, maybe they just don't want to show how much they're struggling with developing things on time in the digital age. BotW in particular went through many iterations before the version we know today existed, features originally planned to make use of the Wii U were scrapped, and key Monolift Soft staff had to be brought on just to get BotW finished. It wasn't solely Nintendo's product, it's practically Xenoblade Chronicles: Zelda Edition with how much Monolift Soft helped.
@JBabu12 I agree with you about your concerns about all these smartphone games coming to Switch. I find it alarming and I’m not sure why others haven’t brought this up. There are so many: Totes the Goat, Portal Knight, Fallout Shelter, Kitty Quest, that new Elder Scroll game, and so many I haven’t listed. Also these games are usually marked up dramatically. I will take a full fledged remakes from Nintendo over these smartphone games.
Other than that I saw 3rd Party games and first party games.
To answer this articles question it was mainly a case of bloated expectations. Expecting them to release Prime 4 within 2018 when they may have just started development was just pushing it
Netflix and Youtube are fine, as long as they keep them optional downloads. I've no intention of using those apps on my console, so I want to keep my Switch clutter-free if possible.
@PlywoodStick I’m just saying that I’m sure there was a lot of backlash to that situation and other situations similar which is probably why they keep close lipped about their games. I’ve noticed that the games they show in their directs and presentations you see running on the Switch which lets you see that it’s “ready” for the most part. I find that to be more reassuring than a vague statement about a new Metroid game in the works.
@Wolfgabe No point in further discussion. We'll know soon enough. Either way it was a waste of presentation time. It should of had 5 minutes then moved on. Do the deep dive during the Tree House.
Was honestly quite disappointed with their E3 showing so far. Though to be fair, their big guns were already unveiled before the event: Pokemon spin-off and MonHun being the main two that interest me.
Still, was maybe hoping for something new. Mario Party looks fun, but it doesn't move the needle as much as a new Animal Crossing would have.
I got new xenoblade, new smash, and new fire emblem so I'm happy. I don't think retro studios is an actual company any more though.
@Wolfgabe
“Again we do not know when or if they have actually started development on animal crossing switch“
Are you even reading what I’m writing? I never disputed that.
@PlywoodStick I do agree with you that 2019 is going to be a far better year for new game releases.
@Mamabear Yes "we" don't expect Nintendo to release all those beloved games in the Switch’s first couple of years. Some of us know (Indies) Moonlighter, RE:Legend, Mineko's Night Market are coming to Switch this year or the latest early Next year ( that is if they need more time to fix bugs and what not or there is roaster time chart who and when Dev/Pub can release their game on Nintendo) But none was mentioned on the short time of introduction about indies game.
They used to show games (even a short announcement ) that already have release date as a reminder, so where is Little Dragon Cafe? Not everyone will know or heard of this game. Go Vacation? Yomawari? People who owned a PS might know what this game is about, what about those who only have Nintendo but like Horror game? And If not because I usually check Amazon, I wouldn't have known about LEGO DC Supervillains and Hotel Transylvania 3.
If they take some air time off Smash and give those a little announcement/love, they might attract different consumers/gamers/fans(?).
@MoonKnight7 I correct myself they probably are working on it right now but havent gotten it to a showable state yet
@Mamabear Sony, at least shown some Aaa stuff in the Ghost of whatever and Nioh 2,then the Last of Us sequel should get their fan base satisfied.
Nintendo needs stuff to lure gamers and developers to the platform. Unlike Sony, they are behind the leaders. Smash will pamper the Nintendo faithful but not exactly draws players to the platform. Nothing on the scale of Botw and odyssey. Last time, at least Nintendo showed the Metroid prime 4 logo, this time around... Nothing. Even a hint that Animal Crossings or another Zelda is in development of could have added much hype. But Radio silence...
And maybe Nintendo should consider buying Bandai/Namco, after all many of their games are being co-developed with them...
I don't know about others, but I was pretty impressed with how much Nintendo packed into their Direct. Do I think they spent TOO much time on Smash, and could have maybe devoted a bit more time to things like Monster Hunter or Dragonball FighterZ? Sure. But I went back and rewatched the Direct...and wrote down all of the game info that was shown. The list, to me, is actually pretty impressive.
Total games shown: 35
New games shown, and coming in 2018: 13 (I include things like Fallout Shelter and Fortnite, because they ARE new even if we know about them now)
New games but not coming till 2019: 3 (I included Fire Emblem here because it was the first we've seen of it besides "Its coming")
Old games already known about, but coming 2018: 19
So...for a Direct that they SAID would be focused on both Smash and games coming out in the near future, that makes 32 (THIRTY-TWO) games that were shown that are either here already or coming before the end of the year. I don't see how that could be called a "fail" at all. That's a LOT of content. That's almost 7 games a month from now till the end of 2018. To me, that sounds anything BUT a failure. Do I think Nintendo goofed some by spending too much time on Smash, like Sony did with their strangely worked presser? I do. However, if you are looking at the GAMES that were shown, this isn't a failure. Maybe they won't all appeal to everyone, but its a strong list of games from multiple genres...all coming to Switch...and most of them this year. That works for me!
@UnknownReader I hear what you’re saying. There’s a lot going on that Nintendo doesn’t share or publicize to their detriment I think. I also have found out about games on Amazon which seems silly since it should be easy to have these games listed on the eshop.
I’m not upset about the amount of Smash love but I think even a longer montage of games coming out/ reminders would have been effective. When I compare how long Sony’s presentation was vs Nintendo they could have added more.
I wish we could hear more about Little Dragons Cafe but I preordered it since it looks to be my cup of tea.
E3 USED to be great. I didn’t mind it, but it was lacklustre in the respect that they weren’t surprising anyone. And that’s what E3 was always about back in the day. While they showcased SMASH a lot, they should have done the info-regurgitation in the fall. Give us a damn trailer and tell us the date. The rest can follow before release. ik Okay with not showing trailers on delayed or upcoming games... but give us a screenshot or more info! That’s what E3 is for. I’ve always been against in-depth looks at games that are upcoming. Because there’s no surprise. Missing the days of seeing screenshots only in Nintendo Power...
the switch needs to get the indie game: tunic
Over the years I learned to just tame my expectations when it comes to E3. Going in I knew Smash Bros was going to be the focus and that's exactly what we got. I'm just happy Fire Emblem finally has a trailer but I will admit I wish Nintendo wasn't so secretive about their games. At least we have Nintendo directs during the year for some more gaming info.
Not one of Nintendo's best in my opinion... However I'm not upset though still happy.
Smash Ultimate means I'm probably getting a Switch for Christmas.
Fire Emblem looks really cool.
Everything else in that presentation was pretty forgettable. I'd give you some examples... but I honestly forgot most of it beyond that crazy mech game they led off with that looks like a solid $5 clearance bin pick up.
METROID.
"Given that both Sony and Microsoft have no problem with teasing their fans with titles that are years away from release, it's about time Nintendo embraced the same approach, if only to give us something to look forward to."
No. Please, no. I am sick to DEATH of games getting announced way too damn early and I am more than happy to have Nintendo making efforts to avoid that. Prime 4 was itself just that last year, but Metroid in particular really needed the one-two support at the time. If anything, I just wish the next Yoshi game was due sooner. Hope it doesn't drag on as long as Woolly World did.
I'm happy to finally get a release date and details on the new Fire Emblem (which I'm actually more excited about than Smash Bros. Ultimate), but outside of that, yeah, Nintendo's offerings for the rest of 2018 look kinda sparse. Not quite Wii U sparse, but maybe a bit concerning. It would have been nice to see even a glimpse of Metroid Prime 4, and I know I'm not the only one who was hoping for the first Animal Crossing since the Wii.
It's very possible that Nintendo is loading up for an absolutely amazing 2019 E3 (especially if Metroid Prime 4 and the new Zelda project known to be in progress get shown together), but hopefully there will be more titles announced via Directs before the end of THIS year, because this E3 was honestly a let-down.
@Highlar Get that positivity out of here
If I were a Nintendo only fan I would have walked away more than disappointed from this E3.
Smash looks good (RIDLEY!!), that Mech game looked interesting even though I couldn't tell what was gameplay and what wasn't, Fire Emblem looks a little rough but I'm excited, and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 DLC is something I'll download on day one. And that's all the highlights from Nintendo, for me anyway.
I went into their showcase excited for more info on Bayonetta 3 and Metroid Prime 4, a trailer for the REAL Pokemon Switch and possibly whatever game Retro has been working on for nearly 4 years.
Nintendo is working on all these games. They could have easily put something together to satiate their core audience watching E3, and it would have been an easy lay-up. It's kind of baffling that they didn't.
I didn't realize how HUNGRY I am for new Metroid. When I saw that slick Smash cutscene with Ridley and Samus I cried a little on the inside, it was beautiful.
But I know it will come out eventually, and there will be a direct before the year is over probably teasing it. In the meantime I'll pick up the Switch games that look good, but I have a feeling I'll be gaming on my PC a lot more this year than I did last year.
Nintendo and switch will do just fine this year. It's still at full price and they do have some killer games ready for Xmas, so sales should boom ... Combined with existing titles like Mario, Zelda, Splatoon and more.
So maybe they are hedging their bets, and unlike Sony and Microsoft have regular directs to show off new games.
Still, compared to last year E3 is barren that disappoints me. The industry seems to be running in idle and looking for the next big thing... If Ninty could have announced a bag of big third party games (even all ports) it could have really changed things.
No such luck... Maybe it will take another year for the big publishers to have something solid ready.
@BulkSlash There is good reason to have a slower second year--Nintendo are waiting for people to buy into the switch. As people can only afford a few games when they buy into a console, I'm sure it is a good thing they (Nintendo) aren't competing against them-self. I think Nintendo have a really good marketing strategy--they leave us hanging, and so chat rooms go crazy with hopes and dreams. They'll have another Nintendo Direct later in the year--our disappointments today, will become expectations then. Rumours and speculation will all play into their model.
It feels like Nintendo is struggling behind the scenes to make progress on titles. What have they been working on for the last year? The slim number of releases for 2018 after an awesome 2017 is rather jarring.
@Cathousemaster I agree, Nintendo has many cards to play--and there is no rush for them to reveal them all. I think it is funny that having the biggest game at the moment--Fortnite--isn't satisfying.
I thought the presentation was pretty good, though I love the details on Smash (Young Link returning! Daisy! Inklings and more) so that being a large portion of it I was fine with. Though I can see people wanting more variety.
I'm glad to see Overcooked 2 confirmed, and releasing soon. I was surprised more by how much good stuff is releasing soon or out today, like Fortnite, Hollow Knight, and the Splatoon 2 DLC. I'm actually quite curious about Fortnite, but never bothered getting it on PC, so I'm looking forward to getting that set up.
I agree that it was weird that Dragon Ball Fighter Z didn't get more screen time, though I'm sure fans are happy with it now being confirmed
@LUIGITORNADO I suspect the answer is that it simply doesn't fit in with their business strategy. The reality is in this day and age, the average consumer (not the hardcore gamer) does not buy a new console in anticipation of a product that won't come out for 12-18 months. They buy consoles with the promise of immediate or near immediate gratification. Nintendo knows this, and their strategy has consequently been to only show off titles that are close to release. If we're disappointed in E3, it's because we expected Nintendo to treat it as everyone else has been, when to them, it's obvious that all it was ever intended to be was another Direct, no more or less significant than any that came before it.
@AlphaElite - This perspective kinda bemuses me. Why on earth would Nintendo want to cannibalise their own game sales by releasing all of their titles at once? As is, in the 6 months we have left of this year, we are expecting 5 new titles (Pokemon, Smash, Mario Tennis, Mario Party, and Fire Emblem) and 1 port (Captain Toad), as well as sizeable DLC for two other titles (Xenoblade 2 and Splatoon 2), in addition to fairly large third party titles (Fortnite, Overcooked 2, Starlink, etc). The average (and this means casual) gamer can't afford (either in terms of money or in terms of time) much more than a single title a month. What would Nintendo gain by pushing production of Metroid, Yoshi etc to make the 2018 window?
I'm pretty sure they'll have some great news coming post-E3. Although, I know they're trying to hype up the Smash community with the new game, but they need to realize that not all Nintendo fans who anticipates E3 news are die-hard Smash fans. And where's Yoshi?!
Always funny to see this huuuge expectations before an E3, as If it was totally obvious that this in paticular needs to be showing everything imaginable or at least the games that you, the individual person, wanted.
And you don't just see that with Nintendo showings, but pretty much all of them.
Even though I feel all 3 of the major game console conferences were packing because none really showed off major first party games coming soon. I am down on Nintendo because at least if you own a PS4 or XBox you can look forward to a whole slew of third party games coming to your console for the Switch 2 of the 3 major third party announcements are out today Fortnite and Paladins. dBZ fighters this summer other than that there is nothing to look forward to non first party related.
@WiltonRoots,
Exactly...I will go in to work today and mention E3 and nobody will have a clue what I am talking about.
@Toadie,
I agree...but Nintendo has to make ground up after the Wii U...it will do this by releasing popular games.
@Mamabear Fair enough, a mere announcement without actual progress being shown gets people talking, but doesn't amount to much on it's own.
They said they were gonna focus almost solely on Smash and they did just that. As I am not a Smash player, the whole presentation (for me) was kind of just 'meh'. However, I do expect another loaded Direct near the end of Summer or early Fall with some heavy-hitting reveals and updates. Glad Smash is out of the way for now and am cautiously excited to see if any other surprise reveals come out of the Treehouse Live Presentations.
@Mgene15 not sure why you would ask that, but no, I do not. It wasjust a damn great E3 direct in my opinion. The only thing that sucked was the huge amount of screen time for SSB when they could have shown more from the rapid fire titles.
I agree with the article. Smash Bros was absolutely fantastic, but I felt it took center stage a bit too long. There should've been more diversity in the presentation and allowed more games. Then again, Smash Bros is a pretty big ball to drop. Hopefully, the next Direct has more content to get us hyped!
It was incredibly weak. After the great show Microsoft put on, and the very solid effort from Sony, Nintendo really screwed up. Very little third party stuff was shown, and the lack of a strong first party line up is unforgivable. It just wasn't enough, and it makes me worry for the future of the Switch.
Psyched about Octopath Traveler but we just seemed to be lacking a big reveal from Nintendo. Not a huge Smash fan (seeing Ridley in Smash was very cool though) so seeing the minutes ticking by as they talked about it was killing me. Ah well.
@yacsama Not going to happen. Microsoft are publishing it.
@MrBlacky Microsoft showed 50 games. That's what you can do when you have strong third party support.
Nintendo are struggling on that front, which is rather baffling given Switch hardware sales. Perhaps the Wii U burnt too many bridges.
@Wolfgabe Well - I will disagree there, in that taking 20 minutes to talk about Smash in the direct and then continuing to talk about it in the treehouse, when it’s not out til December, seems like a let down however you look at it.
What I mean - is that I personally was looking forward to Smash, but if they have shown gameplay a year ago of Yoshi and a hint of Metroid among others, would have been good to see those at least mentioned again to give us something to look forward to. Not to mention that they ‘know’ the public is aware of the trademark re-registrations of various beloved games (Wave Race for example), or the fox racing game speculation as another example... having something to spark the feeling of a ‘big show’ from them would surely have been a smarter decision for them than to go on and on and on about a single game.
The biggest problem was that there were very few ‘unknown’ games mentioned, and they themselves have now set a precedent of making a fast paced one after the other blockbuster show (last year as well as the direct from the beginning of this year).
Even a logo of Starfox, Wave Race, Pikmin, F-Zero or any of their big franchises would have been nice... and surely there is no doubt that one of these are at least in the works?
@jswhitfield8 correct. A lot of ppl had high expectations for no reason. The switch has so many games out now and coming out that they’ve announced throughout last year and this year. For a system that came out in early 2017 we have a ton of great games. Smash, Pokémon, war groove, mario party, FighterZ, Ys, octopath traveler, captain toad, Wolfenstein 2, Megaman 11, monster hunter, dark souls, and unannounced games for 2018. Come on guys - there are a ton of great games coming out and just be happy with that. Ppl always want more so what can you do.
@moroboshi Microsoft and Sony showed titles that aren't expected to release until 2019 or beyond. Nintendo's entire presentation was focused on the next few months. Again, they've figured that casual gamers don't buy consoles for the promise of titles in 24 months, so they haven't bothered showcasing any.
@EvrgrnCmln I cannot say how correct you are.
@EvrgrnCmln
Fire Emblem is 2019
@EvrgrnCmln Except for the fact that the presentation last year did work well - where-as this one was almost a polar opposite. Surely can’t deny that they obtained the attention (advertising if nothing else) of many people by even putting a logo (Metroid) into the presentation... They are just a company and sometimes companys get it wrong.. in this case, they will absolutely get the message of Smash out there... but the overall Switch hype was most likely just reduced by the lack of focus on much else.
You know what I can't with all these people moaning about the Direct. Nintendo literally said they will be focusing primarily on Smash and games releasing this year. So if something wasn't shown it's safe to say it's not being released this year.
It's like going to watch Jurassic Park, then complaining about there being too many dinosaurs shown. I literally cannot even.
@RETRO_J @Banjos_Backpack
They showed fifa 18 and 19
Industry eyes are always on a resurgent Nintendo heck even death stranding took a cue from botw. Looks like we are back to them playing their cards close to their chest exciting times I reckon
@Hyrule It’s not really anything like your analogy - the reason is that they said the same thing last year... and look what they showed. A list of upcoming ‘surprise’ games plus several that were not from 2017 or even 2018.
If nothing else they have set a precedent... however the main issue here, is that one way or another people watch the E3 direct for a reason, and that’s to be excited, and motivated by what they see. Nintendo did this last year for sure... so it’s obviously going to be a let down when that doesn’t happen this year, especially when many people thought that last year was the start and that this year would be even better.
@moroboshi Microsoft have the advantage of having a console that’s its technologically comparable to the PS4, making ports extremely easy.
Here's just a small (pun intended) list of games coming this year and a few for next year. Some were unannounced previously but little gems like Wasteland 2, Mario Party, DBZ Fighterz were a nice surprise in the direct. And yet there will be more announcements in the coming months, but you want everything shown at E3, when the industry has moved away from doing so.
And heaven forbid Nintendo showcase their biggest and most anticipated first party game and devote time to it. It's literally Day one and you are throwing your toys out of the pram.
Smash Ultimate - Dec 2018
DAEMON X MACHINA - Preview for 2019
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 update - September 2018
Pokemon Let's Go - November 2018
Mario Party - October 2018
Fire Emblem - Spring 2019
Overcooked 2 - August 2018
Hollow Knight - Out Now
Killer Queen Black - 2018/2019
Octopath Traveller - July 2018
Captain Toad - July 2018
Starlink - October 2018
Splatoon 2 Octo expansion - Out Now
Crash Bandicoot - June 2018
Mario Tennis Aces - June 2018
Wolfenstein 2 - June 2018
Dark Souls - Summer 2018
Arena of Valor - Autumn 2018
DBZ FighterZ - 2018
Fifa 19 - Sept 2018
Ark - Autumn 2018
Wasteland 2 - Autumn 2018
Paladins - Out Now
SNK Heroines - September 2018
Monster Hunter - August 2018
Megaman - October 2018
@Banjos_Backpack They showed both FIFA 19 AND 18.
@rjejr I guess, I am the target audience Anyways, I think we need to keep in mind, that we are just witnessing an end-of-cycle E3. The new and exciting announcements tend to happen at the beginning of a cycle. I still think 2020 will be year for the guard change (even though many are willing to declare cycles to be over or at the very least the next cycle to be the last), so expect 2019 but certainly 2020 to be more exciting.
I think I might possibly look fondly back at E3 2018 when I get to play Death Stranding and Ghost in 2020 and late 2019 respectively, and when the first announcements of original content created by the new Microsoft Studios 'family members" are being made.
This was a gap-filling E3 year for sure. What it lacked was wish-fulfilment. Last year esp. Ubisoft did a great job at that. A friend of mine went nuts over Beyond Good and Evil 2, which he has been begging for since ever and I was really exciteda bout Skull & Bones, because I was really into the naval combat in ACIV, and have been asking for a "pure" pirate game ever since (without all those nasty Templar and Assassins trappings). Just to name one example.
E3 2018 didn't have much of that, as it had very little new of anything reveals. It would be wrong to argue though, that my friend is no longer hyped for BGE2 (which like I said looks amazing) and Skull & Bones for me looked much better this year than last. So it's not all bad indeed.
@UnknownReader No, I know when and where it is said, but I am not sure what level of historical accuracy they are shooting for. I doubt they are going for interactive documentary. It's an entertainment product first and foremost.
Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden look very intriguing last year. New footage was shown here btw:
http://www.ign.com/videos/2018/06/11/mutant-year-zero-gameplay-demo-ign-live-e3-2018
It's was a dissapointing E3 in general. Nintendo was really bad, but so were Sony, EA and Square Enix. The only conference I really liked was Microsoft and PC Gaming, because they showed new and exciting games (Ooblet looks amazing!).
So, this is the thing. Fire Emblem looks great, just like Smash, and Mario Party could be great too, depending on how the board works and the mini games ofcourse. But the first one is early 2019, the second one is just a deluxe version of Wii U & 3DS (granted, there is still much we don’t know) and Mario Party is a fun game (with friends), but doesn’t feel near as big as the first two I mentioned. An the direct just suddenly ended. I had low expectations because I felt this was coming, and I was still dissapointed. And then they’ve got news about Octopass DLC, and don’t even share it on the Direct. It doesn’t make sense.
I much rather wanted to see a direct about only splatoon and smash with a tournament after the direct. That would make sense at least and wouldn’t get our hopes up.
But ah well, Nintendo has multiple directs and I can’t wait to see what they will show in Fall and/or Winter. We’ll have to see. I’ll be busy with my backlog anyway, and there are still a lot of (Nintendo) games coming, like Octopath.
I think out of the three Nintendo had the worst E3, you need to come out swinging whilst the iron is hot and they didn't. I'm not really bothered though as I Love my Switch, but E3 is a chance to sell more units with hype.
Between my Switch, PC, PS4 Pro and Xbox One X I have a lot to look forward to.
As a 3DS owner I had low expectations since I know the main focus was switch but still hoping for at least 1 last little gem because I know this is the last year of the 3DS but they didn't even show the announced games like wario so i still was disappointed
I think people are really under estimating the impact that Paladins and Fortnite will have for the Switch though. Yeah it would be nice if there was news about MP4 or Bayo3 but I wouldn't worry. Remember when they announced Doom and Wolfenstein in one of those other directs that wasn't E3, expect something like that this year too along with another 23 Smash Bros Ultimate DLC charachers
Nintendo is king of shooting themselves in the foot, the Switch prints money but I guarantee thousands of Switch owners will be trading theirs in for a PS4 or XB1 after that dismal E3 showing. A perfect opportunity to keep building momentum and they blew it!
@Taffy Most people already have Fortnite on other platforms, they aren't going to buy a Switch because Fortnite is on it.
I now have it on 4 platforms but it's cool to have it on Switch for when I'm away from home.
Not a single second of Metroid Prime 4 shown tells me they're not happy with it and are totally redesigning it so that won't be out till next year. Nintendo get too comfortable when their consoles are selling well. I honestly think they perform better when they're struggling to sell hardware.
@N64SNESU
This is because the wii U was such a failure, they could re-release all the wii U games untouched and still be successful.
I own a Wii U but never bothered buying MK8, DKC or Smash, so I am more than happy to see these games in a complete version with all DLC included and am happy to pay full pice.
I believe many people are in the same case, whether they owned a wii U or not. The is also the popularity matter with more people to play online on the switch.
So yeah, they are lazy, but I don't blame them. They're just surfing on a success following a failure that had a few gems.
@Anti-Matter
Yah, really. I was completely let down. I guess the upside is my son was so disappointed that Pikmin 4 wasn't mentioned, he's going to give me his Switch. Now I don't need to buy my own!
Pretty bad presentation in my opinion. As a non-Smash fan devoting almost two thirds of the keynote presentation was a bad move. The game itself still looks like the same awkwardly controlled pinball machine that is very hard for my aging eyes to distinguish and largely the same as the Wii U version with a few more characters. What's the betting that Master Hand is still the final boss? Also, even for fans of the series was a twenty minute section on every minor technical update to the formula really necessary or even interesting? I started to skip through the video at that point hoping that they would talk about anything else! Saw a comment elsewhere online that such a presentation should have been delved into over the coming days and that the game should have just got a five minute overview in the main speech and I have to agree with that. I just don't know what I'm missing about Smash that makes people love it so much? I love the concept but the execution always feels floaty, imprecise and confusing to me. I won my first time online just by slamming buttons because I couldn't make out what was happening anyway. And I've tried all of them except the N64 one. What am I missing here?
Anyway, really need some other announcements and more info on the other ones they made.
@UnknownReader
Here you go:
https://www.vg247.com/2018/06/13/673730/
Japanese audio track confirmed
@Aozz101x Gamescom is later this year right? I hope they reveal more stuff then.
@Hyrule ‘here’s just a small list of games’ isn’t a pun, buddy 😝 Thanks for making that list, though. There’s a lot there.
@Hyrule But but but we* have NOTHING to play!!!!!
*we = usually some commenting bedwetter who speaks for all of us when in reality they speak for their own predicament. They need more hobbies in their life.
@techdude I think if we’re trying to lure new gamers Smash and Mario Party are more apt to do so than Animal Crossing. I like Animal Crossing but I think it’s more niche.
@Hyrule It’s very simple - if they did the right thing in relation to the advertising methods that they used - we would all know about it... last year they pulled this off. They did not unanimously pull this off this year... which is the reason for the comments, articles and to be honest, my own reaction, even though I tried to be optimistic.
I do agree they showed games as you mention.... I don’t believe (just like many others) that they did this well.
In the end, they did well for Smash however.. But they did not hype up the Switch close to what they achieved last year. There’s potentially more to announce however, so my fingers are crossed.
@WiltonRoots There is plenty to play - I’m talking specifically about the way in which they handled the ‘direct’.. neither do I wet the bed. The issue was that it would have been nice to be blown away like last year. It was a highly anticipated event, and would have been smart for Nintendo to ‘capitalise’ on that excitement, which has definetely been quite hard for them to generate in recent years... but they had it, and did not utilise it as much as they could have.
I'm surprised they are so many haters. Sure, they could have done more (...like talking about games 3+ years out...that's a pro...right?). Maybe I was just the perfect target audience for this. Xenoblade DLC looks good, Smash looks good, Mech game looks good, Mario Party looks good (great family game), Fire Emblem looks really good, Pokemon looks decent, Splatoon DLC looks good. It would have been cool to get a surprise like Mertroid, Bayo 3, or some other series...but considering I was only interested in 2-3 games in the other shows (Cyberpunk 2077 looks shweet, RE 2 Remake and Battletoads cautiously optimistic, Elder Scrolls come back when you actually have something...) I think Nintendo's E3 was pretty good.
I think there was plenty in the presentation but they focused too much time to smash and failed to give other things any time.
Judging by all the moans in here people have no jobs or lives. They just play games all day every day!
@dew12333 I haven’t turned on my Switch this year. And I don’t see a reason to anytime soon.
@WiltonRoots Haha, mate I just switch off when they moan and look forward to all the great games for 2018. I'm going to be so broke after yesterday's direct and all the games they haven't announced yet.
@johnvboy @WiltonRoots E3 is huge, even for the people that don't know anything about it. Despite recently opening for the public, E3 has always been primarily targeted towards media. Those who don't even know what E3 is, will undoubtedly be seeing some coverage for some of the huge games announced/showed off at E3. It's still a pretty big deal to have a good showing, which is why these companies fork over so much money on these conferences. I forget which podcast it was (NVC, I think?) but I just recently heard Peer Schneider say IGN's E3 budget was over $1 million this year. That should say a little something about how big of a deal E3.
@Hyrule Honestly, I'm with you . I didn't think yesterday's presentation was that great, simply because they hung onto Smash for a bit too long. I love Smash, but I understand others don't. Even so, over the next 12 months, we've got Mario Tennis, Super Mario Party, Pokemon Let's Go, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, Fire Emblem, Octopath Traveler, Dark Souls, and a bunch of other indies/ports that I'm very interested in like Hollow Knight and Captain Toad. Fortnite isn't my thing, but it's huge and I'm glad it's on the Switch now. Mario + Rabbids DLC in a few days. Hard for me to complain about the lineup of games.
WHERE IS MIYAMOTO???
WHERE IS RETRO???
@FTL Yep you respond sensibly and rationally so you definitely don't fall under that category.
meanwhile, above me...
@TheGreenMiner13 i don't think Nintendo reveals anything at Gamescom. i'm talking more lines of a general Direct.
@EvrgrnCmln Get that logic outta here
@roadrunner343,
Nah nobody outside us lot know what it is...our hobby love it or hate it is very niche.
@Ralek85 "end-of-cycle E3"
Which is why the past few days I've been saying E3 should be on a 4 year cycle like the World Cup and companies can launch new hardware accordingly.
That said, Switch isn't "end-of-cycle" it launched last year, they should have showed more new games. Or at least 1 single player game for those of us who dont' like multiplayer. I checked last night on the Switch, their "Nintendo Direct E3 2018" vid is 42 minutes long. The SSBU vid is 25 minutes long. That means their over all E3 vid had only 17 minutes that wasn't SSBU, only about 2/5 of the total E3 time. At least Sony told everyone in advance - only 4 games this year - and I think they still had more new announcements - RE3 remake, Control, some weird PSVR game.
So MS and Sony have an excuse, PS4 and X1 are getting long in the tooth. But Switch is just beginning. And it's beginning to look like nothing but cardboard and Wii U ports. Not that I think SSBU is just a port, but you know what I mean, where are the NEW games?
On the bright side next year will be better, I can almost 1000% guarantee it.
@johnvboy Reading comprehension is key. Re-read my post, as you'll see I very clearly explain how I agree with that statement. That does not mean it is unimportant to mainstream/casual audiences. E3 is not targeted directly at mainstream audiences, it is targeted at members of the media. It achieves mainstream exposure from other major media outlets. It's marketing 101.
@roadrunner343,
Sorry fella my comment was supposed to be light hearted,E3 is a big deal...but for Nintendo and their directs it's not the only chance they have to give out information.
@johnvboy That's fine, but that's completely irrelevant to my response to you & Wilton and your follow up response. I agree that there are plenty of other chances for Nintendo to show new games. That doesn't change the fact the E3 is still an important trade show, and the media coverage it generates is a great opportunity to reach mainstream/casual audiences, even if they aren't the direct audience of the conference itself.
@Ralek85 Thanks for both the links. I gave up watching all the Presentation, Only waiting for wording on News/bloggers/forum site.
Now I am excited back again for Ghost!
@roadrunner343,
The casuals will be fine with all the stuff that's on the Switch right now...that's even before you factor in this years upcoming releases.
And best/worst in terms of presentations will vary depending on your own wants and point of view.
@johnvboy Again, entirely irrelevant to my response and your initial comment I responded to. I've never seen someone so stubbornly refuse to read. I agree fully with what you've just said, but that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. My only point was that E3 is still important to mainstream/casual gamers, even if they have no idea what it is, simply because other mainstream media outlets give it so much coverage.
@roadrunner343,
The mainstream media do not give all that much coverage to it,as if they did more people would have heard of it.
But I think you are not reading my replies,as I do think the event is important,but I feel it's reach is not outside of core fans,which is not an issue as these guys spend more than enough on videogames.
@johnvboy Now, at last we can have a discussion =) If you want to argue the show isn't relevant to mainstream audiences or garners much mainstream media coverage, that's fine. I disagree wholeheartedly, but at least we're talking about the same point now.
E3 gets a ton of coverage from non-gaming sites. Of course any gaming site covers E3. Every tech site I visit (Non-gaming related) covers it. Forbes, The Washington Post, The Verge, Business Insider, The Guardian, CNET, and many more cover E3. I agree that many consumers of those media outlets have no idea what E3 is, but that doesn't mean that many casual/mainstream audiences aren't reached by the marketing of E3 and other media outlets.
@roadrunner343,
Glad you are now allowing us to have a discussion
In my experience most mainstream media coverage tends to be cringe worthy and out of date,but it is aimed at the masses in a way they can understand,I think E3 has grown as an event for the core audiences and dedicated game related media outlets,and you would have never thought how accessible the information would be,as years ago it was a very closed off event.
Of course you have youtube to thank for that.
@johnvboy Whether or not you or I like mainstream media is irrelevant. It's still reaching mainstream audiences, which is pretty much the entire point. As you've pointed out, we (Audience of this site, and others like it) are the minority - we alone are certainly not worth the millions and millions of marketing dollars spent on these conferences. The entire point is to reach a large audience. You stated E3 did not garner much mainstream media coverage, so I provided several large examples, and I'm sure there's many more.
As for E3 information being more easily accessible, I'll give you that. It's certainly easier than ever. I don't think that has anything to do with E3 being opened to the public, though. Information was always relatively easy to come by as, again, E3 has always been heavily covered by the media, which in turn was easily accessible by the masses. Pretty much since widespread adoption of the internet. Of course, mobile devices, social media, youtube, etc... have increased proliferation of E3 news, but that makes it more relevant to casual/mainstream audiences, not less.
@roadrunner343,
I still feel on the whole E3 will reach out to the core audience,and if you watch the big stage shows that is very evident,this of course is not a bad thing as the hardcore console market is very profitable,not because it's base grows year on year but because of the amount of DLC and subscriptions.
The Switch on the other hand has to try and engage the masses,as Nintendo can't compete directly in the hardcore market,and I feel Nintendo will fare better with well placed advertising and their own directs throughout the year,as anything at E3 can get caught up with all the other announcements flying around.
It was a disappointing presentation. Which is not to say that what was shown was bad. I think the two big problems were showing “old” news and the lack of a second big punch along with Smash.
Pokemon Let’s Go was the biggest example of a misstep in timing the news. Had they waited just a few more weeks to announce it, they could have spent 5 or 10 minutes talking about this “new and exciting Pokemon spin-off coming this holiday that ties into the megahit mobile game.” That would have eaten up time, but would have made Smash feel less like the sole ace up Nintendo’s sleeve. And they could have done more with other games. Mario Tennis Aces is about to come out, so devote actual time to showing it off. Spend more time talking about third party ports people are excited for, briefly show 3DS games in development, etc.
Second, I’ve looked at some of the better received presentations Nintendo has done at E3, and one of the things they shared was two or more big reveals, spread across the show. In 2010, this was a new Console Zelda in the beginning and the 3DS unveiling at the end. Nintendo started off and ended strong, keeping people interested and optimistic. This year, Smash was a good closing act, but there wasn’t an opener. It didn’t have to be anything coming out in the near future. Whatever game they have planned for Holiday 2019 could work. But seeing it provides better context for the whole show.
What did we get this year?
Nice... No other choice but to be pessimistic about it.
But hopefully in 2-3 months there will be another direct showing off.
And usually we keep getting Eshop games without them actuslly being announced. And the games that were announced the previous Nintendo Direct are still on the way
@thesilverbrick and why does it matter if it is 1st, 2nd or 3rd party? You can be certain Nintendo is certainly working with them on this, and it wouldn’t be surprising if this is considered 2nd party and Nintendo owns the ip.
We always complain that we get no third parties, but then complain Nintendo doesn’t give us their monthly huge title. Why not be satisfied with a combination of both?
The point of the E3 presentation is to highlight a broad sweep of what to expect from the company over the coming year, or at least coming 6 months. It's a consolidated showcase of what the company and platform are going to present.
What Nintendo did wrong, was they made it look like all Nintendo brings for the next year or 3/4 year is a handful of games that they themselves aren't terribly confident in compared to Smash, the only one that feel should matter.
And in their race to do that, they ignored, undersold, and skimmed a raft of other content from themselves and their 3rd party partners. The message was clear: We don't care if Switch looks barren, so we'll ignore most of its games. We don't have enough faith in the other games, and don't make enough money from 3rd party games, so we feel showing you every facial animation in Smash is more beneficial to us than even verbally naming the other 20+ games coming.
It's not a matter of inflated expectations. Most of us had expectations in check, and expected no surprises. But they have an online service with a subscription payment in September, they have no less than 6 fantastic first and third party games coming in the next 45 days. And they ignored all of them to focus on a December release.
@rjejr You said "cardboard and WiiU ports!" You finally did it!
I feel like year 1 was introduce Switch. Year 2 is: Erase Wii and WiiU's existence from memory, bring the good parts forward, and pretend they never happened. Make people feel they've been playing Switch since 2012 so it can join the industry console cycle in terms of game releases. Year 3 will be "Wait you mean this isn't GameCube II?"
@msvt Miyamoto's busy at the Ubisoft booth, don't bother him.
@WiltonRoots Well the issue with Nintedo's E3 is there's tons to play, and they didn't bother to tell us about any of it except Smash
"Welcome to Nintendo E3. We're the company that makes Smash. And hardware to play Smash on. Oh, not into Smash? Check our website, there's other games there"
@Dysnomia It matters because first party software has always been what primarily drives the sale of Nintendo consoles. Nintendo should be leading the charge by supporting the switch with frequent new software. E3 is the year’s largest, most important game show, and Nintendo revealed only one new game they were working on. That’s pathetic.
@Hyrule I think perhaps unintentionally you actually just highlighted why the direct was so horrible and why people are so frustrated by it.
Your list looks excellent. It's packed with great games. In fact your list is painfully incomplete (because your list is based on the 4s flyby in the direct), missing numerous major games releasing soon:
Ys
Shining Radiance (day and date with other consoles)
Tales of Vesperia (a keynote at the XBox show, day and date with XBox. XBox showing KH3 didn't prevent Sony from showing it too.)
Okami HD (eshop only, thanks Capcom)
Titan Quest (later than other consoles but still worth a mention!)
Add those to your list and the list is monstrous.
However watch the E3 direct and you get no sense that any of that exist. Everything in your list was flashed quickly in front of faces without even noticing. Their E3 presentation would actually have been better if they just took a screenshot of your post and displayed it on the screen for 1:00 of their time. It would have given a much better sense of the great lineup they have than what they did. Doubly so if they included the titles that your list and their show don't even have.
@thesilverbrick Nintendo leads the charge with first party, and in the HD era they've become slow, but I think that's overestimated a little. If you look at the very successful 3DS, and the mega successful DS and Wii, there weren't THAT many back to back Nintendo releases.....the third parties and 3p exclusives were the real meat and potatoes.
If I flash back to an "If Iwata were still here"....I think Octopath would have had a much bigger billing with more hype, I think Fighter Z would have been made out as though it was new. The other JRPGs coming would have shown a splashy trailer. Pokemon would have been heralded by trumpets. Remember when Pokebank got a whole segment video with Masuda and Ishida? When P&D:Z was treated like an AAA blockbuster? Treating little things like big things builds hype. This E3 completely ignored big things. I don't think "no new big AAA first party games" or "Not enough Nintendo games" is a problem here...the actual release schedule is huge. The presentation itself was just a dumpster fire.
Actually if I go back a little I'll say: I think Nintendo really should have stuck with embracing their Japanese nature. Japanese media is crazy and unpredictable, quirky and energetic. Post-Iwata they've lost all their energy and fun in these shows, like they're in a continued state of mourning. Nintendo's shows increasingly look like boardroom presentations to investors. I can feel the red neck tie choking at the collars of my same-charcoal-grey-suit-as-everyone-else collar.
@NEStalgia "You said "cardboard and WiiU ports!" You finally did it!"
Wait what did I do? Switch is still a tablet.
Here's my similar Switch timeline from yesterday, or about 1,000 posts ago.
Year 1 - Switch is a home console to replace Wii U
Year 2 - Switch is a hybrid to play portable versions of X1 and PS4 games and remastered home versions of PS3 and X360 games
Year 3 - Switch is a portable to play dumbed down mobile versions of X2 and PS5 games
@rjejr why not? Ea and Bethesda have already turned x1 and ps4 into machines to play dumbed down mobile versions of 1990s pc games....
@UnknownReader You're welcome! I just started playing God of War today and it looks, sounds and plays incredible on a HDR enabled OLED. I'm super excited to see how Sucker Punch's efforts will stack up next to Santa Monica's! Might just be an incredible swan-song for the system.
@rjejr I agree with you, I was just talking about this E3 in general (as the cycles also affect Ubisoft, Bethesda, EA and so on and so forth). I don't think Nintendo has any really "excuse" here, so to speak, besides having had a REALLY strong 2017, where - quite obviously they decided to fire from all cylinders 2018 be damend.
It's worth noting that Nintendo always had the strong tendency to talk almost exclusively about content for the next 12 months during E3. Obviously, last year was an outlier with their desire or even need to get people worked about the Switch after the whole WiiU fiasco (and that worked out splendedly so far for them). Obviously, this year is back to basics and having spend much of their powder already, it's obvious that the next 12 months will be a bit of a breather.
To be perfectly fair though, no one expected Metroid to be RELEASED within the next 12 months, nor did anyone (I wager) expect like SMTV to be released (certainly not in the west) in 2018. By that logic, we kinda should have expected this showing of theirs.
After all, the only other option would have been to change course for good, and go down the Microsoft road, talking about games that will not be out for 2-3 years and some of them for longer ... like never (hello, Phantom Dust, Fable Legends and Scalebound again ^^). That might earn you accolades short term, but it can also come back to haunt you.
Again though, Microsoft was in tough spot as well, trying to recover from a poor launch (compared to Sony anyways), so they decided that reaching for straws was not only fair game, but basically called for. I wish I had never known about Phantom Dust and Scalebound. If only the had waited long enough to see where the projects went before showing them off ...
But yeah, not seeing Yoshi (not that I care much) nor FE in 2018 is disconcerting. On the flipside 2019 will - as you say - probably be rather packed. I mean - just for instance - we STILL don't know what Retro Studios have been doing all those years. By now, they could have wrapped an entire AAA project, ported DK and be already into something else entirely. I'm just a bit worried that the Switch might be faced with a tough competition next year, when and if everyone else is talking about "next-gen" (again ^^). That might potentially steal some of their thunder. We'lll see though, plus, as far as the games go, none of this is going to matter anyways.
@Ralek85 the travesty here though is that they weren't out if powder..... They're was plenty to spare, and they just never took a shot. I think they're afraid of running dry and are trying to stretch their releases as far apart as they can to have something to last that whole 6 year plus period they speak of. But even that doesn't excuse this poor showing off a good lineup. They had the wares and just kept them in the bag. Purely a failure of their marketing efforts and event planners.... The actual product planning is on point. If only they had people to actually tell people so
@thesilverbrick yeah, it that is the point. Instead of putting out games with very few features because they are having to release every game on the console themselves (Wii U Tennis? Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival?), they are releasing fewer games with tins of content. They are allowed that luxury because 2nd and 3rd party games are also being released and filling in the schedule.
Again, who cares if it is 1st, 2nd or 3rd party? You still haven’t answered that. If it is a fun game, it is a fun game. Nintendo should not be releasing the only games. That is why the Wii U failed.
@Dysnomia I’m not saying I dislike second or third party games. I have no idea where you’re getting that from. I’m saying Nintendo needs to output and reveal more of their own games and they dropped the ball at this E3.
Ultra Smash and Amiibo Festival were so terrible and lacked content because Nintendo knew the Wii U was circling the drain and didn’t want to invest time and resources into developing feature-rich games for a console that had already proven itself a commercial failure.
@Ralek85 Nintneod needs to pick a strategy and stick with it though, otherwise their BS is too obvious. It's like whatever they decide to do - show off games 2 or 3 years in advance, or only show off games in the next 12 months - and really there better be more games next Jan-June then they've shown us so far - is the ONLY way to do it. It's like this year they are all "We aren't Sony or MS, they do it wrong, we only show off games coming out the next 12 months" but last year they were all "Look at us, great games for plenty for years to come, its' the only right way to do E3". It's disgusting, their combination of arrogance and hypocrisy.
But I'm slowly getting over it. They do have 3 games this year for Oct, Nov and Dec, Mario Party, Pokemon and SSBU. Most gamers are likely to be happy about 1 of those. My family and I aren't those people, my kids will get Pokemon and SSBU and maybe even Mario Party as a gift but they aren't really looking forward to any of it like they would be Pikmin 4 or Yoshi or Gen 8 Pokemon. But Nintnedo does have 3 games for the 3 holiday months, so I can't say they dont' have anything. Just nothing I spent $300 on a Switch for, which is only used for Pokemon Quest now. My son does want DBFighterz but he's still playing DBXV2 and waiting for DBFz to be done, which may be awhile.
Life goes on.
@NEStalgia "Ea and Bethesda"
Well I dont' know or care about X1 anymore, but Sony can have those mobile ports b/c it also has Detroit, GoW, Spiderman, TLOU2 and Ghosts. And Dreams. And RDR2, which fortunately skipped E3 so we didn't get 3 articles on NL wondering if it's coming to Switch. Plus all the sports and FPS games. Nintnedo had a fairly week 3rd party E3. FIFA 19, Just Dance, Starlink. Not much else comes to mind.
So between this lackluster E3 and Labo I'm just not feeling it. IT's as if Switch was doing too well so Nitneod said 'wooo, slow don't there, we don't want the Switch too look too good, lets reign that enthusiasm back in and turn it down a notch". amiibo and a $50 Pokeball, that's all I remember form E3.
Look what I bought today. This is what E3 did to me.
@Orin41 " they don’t care as much about e3 these days"
Seemed like nobody really cared about E3 this year. I'm starting an online petition to have it only every 5 years when new hardware gets announced. Not really, but somebody should consider it.
it was like Nintendo just read the Patch notes for Smash..
@rjejr that's a new low . Actually sf0 is really cool. You just have to work with it and picture a sit down arcade enclosure.
Nintendo has a boatload of content.... Lots of third party. They just forgot to bring it to the booth
@rjejr Fair enough, but I do honestly think that 2017 was an outlier. It's easy to forget now, but before the Switch launched (which is when Nintendo most definitely decided on their strategy for 2017 and prepared their E3 show, that's nothing that happens in a month or so), the Switch was not at all guaranteed to be a success. After the WiiU and all the scepticism surrounding a hybrid-mobile-chip-based console - in the day and age of Microsoft launching "the most powerful console ever" and Sony doing the Pro and VR - it was reasonable and understandable to show the potential audience, that the Switch was not going to be targeted purely at kids. Remember their reveal trailer for the system, which heavily focused adults being "hip" with the system. E3 2017 with the Metroid tease was a part of that strategy and I think it worked pretty well to rewrite the narrative (together with Zelda and so on and so forth).
I will call BS when for instance FE were NOT to launch before E3 2019. I fully expect to - by and large - stick with games for the next 12 months for their E3 showings. Obviously though, delays can always happen, for sure, but Nintendo has been pretty good on this, speaking broadly (compared to the likes fo Crackdown .. come on ^^).
@NEStalgia You think so? I actually don't think they do have the wares. At least not in the sense, that they are ready for prime time yet and that they can release them in a state they are comfortable with within the next 12 months. That is not to say that you are wrong about "spreading stuff out", so to speak, it's the same thing, basically just the other side of the same coin.
They have limited content and people expect some to be at Gamescom, maybe Paris Games Week, TGS and have some Directs as well. Right now, they must be spread somewhat thin. You don't drop a game like BotW and Odyssey every 6 month after all (as awesome as that would be).
THey could definitely have shown SOMETHING-Metroid, but it would not have been quite representative of the final product and it might have inspired hopes of seeing the game within 12 months, which we won't. Same goes for Retro Studios. Surely, something must be have happened there in the last couple of years, but is it really in it's final stages yet? And will it be out before E3 2019? Apparently not, or it is reservered for a latter reveal - dunno =(
Frankly, and that's just me, I think they expected going all out on Smash (which they) did, plus dropping a bit of info for a niche title like FE, which is for the "core" crowd, so to speak, will be enough to see them through and I kinda think it will. People will keep speculating about all the amazing stuff that might or might not be in the pipeline and the number of people interested in what that might be, but who at the same not care for anything released or announced yet (which includes SMT and MP) might be somewhat narrow. Still, I'm disappointed as well, 'cos just the tought of another WiiU-level drought is seriously horrifying (or just months of ports and more ports). Again though, we are days away from Aces and a month away from Octopath Traveler, plus 3rd-party stuff like YS. For now it seems that 3rd-party might be able to fill the gaps - unlike WiiU
@Ralek85 If Fire Emblem is a franchise primarily for 'core' fans then so is Metroid Prime - sales for the last two iterations of FE have topped any Metroid game since the original Prime, and the series has been heavily buoyed by the popularity of the mobile title.
Honestly, why is everyone so convinced that Metroid is some kind of killer app? The series has always been strong, but it's never been a system seller for Nintendo.
@FTL I actually agree, and don't think the Direct was excellent by any means, but I am a long-term Nintendo fan and I prefer seeing far into the future because I know I am going to be around to live it. Nintendo's core demographic for its Direct announcements isn't people like me - it's people who need the push to get into the system right now.
@electrolite77 2019 is within a 9 month time span, which Nintendo has regularly indicated is their time frame for announcing games.
@EvrgrnCmln
If all they have of note for 2018 is Smash and Mario Party then they're sunk. After an amazing 2017 Nintendo are stumbling badly it seems.
@EvrgrnCmln Absolutely true, but first of all, these are very different niches of 'core' and FE on consoles has been a commercial failure so far as well (PoR & RD on GC/Wii respectively almost killed the franchise after all).
I think of Metroid as marquee title meant to help the companie's image. Going by sales alone, it's pretty clear that barely anyone bought the Metroid Prime games back in the day, but alas, they always come up time and time again when people talk about what they want to see from Nintendo. Metroid Prime was a really well designed game on many levels and it was also pretty much entirely out of the wheelhouse for them since Rare went to EA and thus their shooter expertise (Golden Eye, Perfect Dark was gone). It showed that Nintendo can do so much more than Mario and Zelda. The term Metroidvania does not exist for nothing imho.
I like to see some diversity in line-ups and (ignoring the one-sided presentation this year) it was mostly Sony who has gotten this right over the course of the last years. Right now, Nintendo seems eager to embrace all kinds of genres and developers, be it small indies oder blockbuster splatter like Doom.
As far as Nintendo itself goes, they also pushed it in the right direction with games like Splatoon, showing that there is room for them to grow yet. I think Metroid works in the exact same way albeit with a slightly differenct audience in mind.
@thesilverbrick you are saying that because you keep saying Nintendo themselves need to release more games when in fact we just need more games.
Again, doesn’t matter who they are from. You can be sure Bi tendon has resources on ports. And their output is now fully fleshed out. Fewer first party games that have tons of co tent is far better than more with less. Just a full schedule regardless of who they are from is what we need.
The more non first party games the better. It gets more than just the hardcore Nintendo fans buying Switches.
@Dysnomia But to an extent, it does matter who they are from. Look back at the sales figures for the games on all of Nintendo‘s consoles. Their own first party software is what sells the most. It’s also what drives people to buy the systems.
Third-party support is always nice and definitely welcome, but anyone will tell you that Nintendo’s own games are what sell best on Nintendo hardware. Think back to every major Nintendo system and what its most treasured, highest selling and critically acclaimed games are. By and large, they are almost entirely first party.
Also, unless these third-party games are exclusive to Switch, they look and perform better on other consoles. People are not going to buy the Switch just to play inferior-looking third-party ports. They are going to buy it for things they can’t get anywhere else, which ultimately and primarily means Nintendo’s proprietary software.
I am definitely all for plenty of third-party support. In fact, I definitely want to see more. But these third-party games should not be replacing Nintendo’s own games. They should be released in addition to a healthy lineup from Nintendo itself.
@Ralek85 I definitely think they have the wares. This isn't like WiiU where there were 2 Nintendo games in a year, 1-2 third parties a year, and a handful of indies. There's more fast paced content releases here than 3DS had as well. If you look at the ACTUAL release calendar, I can see why they're spacing things, it's loaded. If not topheavy...the next 45 days have at least 6 major releases alone including a Nintendo tentpole in Mario Tennis. Are some of them late(ish) ports like Ys, Wolfenstein, sure. But that doesn't change that they're current games on Nintendo.
I think the mistake some make is the same mistake Nintendo itself made. Viewing Nintendo as a publisher rather than platform holder. Ignoring the football stadium "Year of Dreams" Playstation E3 (half the games they showed 3 years ago are STILL not out, or just came out this year.) what did Sony show this E3? A relatively tight collection of games, most of them games they showed at that very same E3. And again last year. A good lineup, and Sony's been producing tons of content....but that's Sony's thing. They're a big deal content company. Still, most of their launch lineup is 3rd party. That's the anchor of the system. MS won E3 mostly by actually showing exclusives for the first time in 8 years and showing commitment to being "the system for 3rd parties." At least one of their centerpiece games is also coming to Switch on the same day. Most of it was 3rd party multiplat with a few big exclusives, most not coming this year.
Ignoring Nintendo's disastrous presentation that glossed over 15 games in under 3 minutes, and ignored another 10 in favor of half an hour of Smash, We have a "for everyone" online Mario sports game(Aces), a family party game (Party), a competitive fighter (Smash), an RPG from the biggest name in gaming (Pokemon LGP/LGE), a major DLC campaign for a major RPG (XC2 DLC), a major DLC campaign for a shooter (Splatoon Octo), a major, if niche, SRPG/TRPG for the core (FE) (Delayed but no more than most of MS's and Sony's exclusives....little of that is 2018 either), plus the Machina game unveil, plus all the things from last year we got no updates on. That's more content than EA or Bethesda showed (TES VI doesn't count, they already said that's not even coming to current model consoles.....we're looking at 8 years probably on that, on PS5/X2, or just streaming to everything...it's not even the next game in the pipeline...it's not even the game after that.) It's maybe par with Ubi, except Ubi was showing stuff that's clearly 2020 (BGE2 for 2019? Yeah right.) And 3 of Ubis things are coming to Switch (Trials, Starlink, and exclusive Rabbids DLC that's supposedly half as big as the enormous main game.) That doesn't even cover Octopath, 2nd party exclusive major classic JRPG.
That's just the first party and exclusive. The list is huge. Then we add in third party with Ys, Vesperia (one of the XBox show's highlights), Shining Resonance (currently PS and XB are promoting it, while Nintendo says nothing), the smaller games from Nippon Ichi, Wolfenstein , the 2 Ubi games, MHXX, Okami HD (late and eshop only but still), FIFA, Fortnite, Paladins, Fighter Z (kind of a big deal on other platforms), Dark Souls (old but...DS portable is really cool for the genre.)
The only real problem is my post here makes it sounds more exciting than Nintendo's presentation all week has. The wares are all here....they just present them so horribly.
I'm not expecting new surprises (though I should....Nintendo has a habit of having a Direct on a random Tuesday with 2 hours notice, that is supposedly about DLC for an old game and then they drop some major announcement in there like it's unimportant.
Microsoft's show wasn't about selling Microsoft Studios games. There were less of them than Nintendo games. It was about selling the XBox platform overall. Sony's show has been about selling the Playstation platform until this year where it was about selling a few great looking Sony Studios games. Nintendo chose to sell Nintendo published games....but only 2 of them.....and ignored the fact that they're selling the Switch platform. Even Pokemon got back seat...that's just plain pathetic.
3rd party is the core of any console (the point MS tried and succeeded to hammer home finally). Nintendo's problem is they've never had much third party to anchor their console so we got used to looking ONLY at what Nintendo is doing. Unfortunately they got used to that too. They have third party now. No not western AAAs that are at other shows, but lots of games for a full schedule (Aug/Sept is questionable for now still.)
But this post contains more discussion of more games than the E3 presentation. Only Nintendo can have the most packed calendar they've had in a decade and make it look like they have little.
@NEStalgia This I agree with, and it was a little bemusing to watch. The fact that so many people are bemoaning the 'lack of Switch games' despite how ludicrously packed the calender is is concerning, and is something Nintendo really should address.
@thesilverbrick People will actually pay more for inferior Switch ports of games available for other consoles simply because they're portable, and it's a very, very big deal for a large chunk of gamers.
@moroboshi Mario Tennis Aces is due out this month, Captain Toad is still forthcoming and Pokemon was announced alongside Mario Party and Smash. That's 4 Nintendo titles, 3 of them being entirely new, within a 6 month time span, and two of them being entries in franchises which are regular 10+ million sellers. For the system itself, add: Mega Man 11, Wolfenstein, Dark Souls, Dragon Ball Fighters, Octopath Traveller, Captain Toad, Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate, Ark Survival, Disgaea 1 Complete, Crash Bandicoot, Okami HD, Banner Saga 3, Little Dragon Cafe, and Shining Resonance Refrain, among others.
If none of those games are for you because your interests lie in a different genre of gaming, that's fine, but it's disingenuous to pretend that there aren't games.
@EvrgrnCmln Portability is a plus, but the amount of people buying a Switch to play a third-party port is insignificant when compared to the people buying a Switch to play, say, Odyssey, Smash Bros or Breath of the Wild. The sales figures for those games make that fact pretty clear.
I was pretty happy with it. Smash is a big game, and I'm excited that it's dropping this holiday. The trend from last year is to really focus on the last 6 months of the year, so I expected that. I'm excited for Captain Toad too. And I wish I had time for Xenoblade, because that series looks boss (but I'm still playing BOTW and Odyssey).
I was a bit bummed by no update on Metroid Prime 4 (though I'm not surprised, given that they just showed a logo last year, probably nothing's ready for prime time), no update on main series pokemon (also not surprised, since they want to focus on "let's go" and we did in May get a 2019 release window, and some random teaser comments).
However, it would have been nice to drop a teaser for some project that has been greenly like Prime 4 last year. Don't really care which one - just like an Animal Crossing or Pikmin, or Star Fox or F-zero or WHATEVER logo, so we can get excited. Some Odyssey DLC would have been cool too.
Skipped Treehouse this year, and I'm kind of glad, b/c it looks like they didn't sneak in any new announcements like they did last year. They played Odyssey to death last year, and I had to stop watching so I could discover SOME of the game on my own. It sounds like it was similar this year w/Smash, so I'm glad I skipped it. I'm gonna go play some Smash 64 tho to get hype!
@thesilverbrick you just described the situation for every failed console. When Nintendo consoles are successful this is not the case. And speaking of cases, I’m done, this has been exhausting and silly.
@Dysnomia The Wii, DS and 3DS thrived and their libraries were heavily dependent on first-party games. Nintendo games sell better on Nintendo consoles than third-party titles do. That’s a fact. Third-party support is great and it helps, but Nintendo’s own games are what sells their consoles. Do you think the Switch sold 13 million consoles last year because of third-party games? Nope. It sold because of games like Breath of the Wild and Mario Odyssey. Look at the sales figures and try to tell me that third-party games are even remotely as successful and profitable as Nintendo’s own games. I’m more than happy to end this discussion, but to think that Nintendo can slow down on making games and successfully let third parties carry the burden of software development on Switch is what’s silly.
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